Moving to Oklahoma?

[Jorge]

I would think an underground geodesic home would be ideal.
Of course you might emerge to find no job, no neighbors. etc.
who knew?
--
Karma ; what a concept!

[Jorge]

In article <georgewk10-A3D09...@news.toast.net>,

"Jorge" <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would think an underground geodesic home would be ideal.
> Of course you might emerge to find no job, no neighbors. etc.
> who knew?

how 'bout a site;
Geodesic domes offer the safest shelter in the most violent weather
extremes around the world. In tornadoes and hurricanes, high winds and
negative air pressure combine and get under the eves and soffits of
conventional housing, then rip the roof off, leaving the occupants
exposed. A geodesic dome's aerodynamic shape offers the best above
ground protection against winds from any direction, allowing gale force
winds to slip past. During an earthquake, a conventional house rocks off
its foundation and topples as the earth makes lateral shifts. A dome has
an even distribution of weight and a low center of gravity so it moves
with the earth. Engineering for incredible snow loads is intrinsic in
its design. Insulating efficiently against extreme heat or cold is a
direct factor of the exposed surface area, or outside wall area of any
building. The vaulted ceiling in its free span interior allows excellent
air circulation and heat recovery. You may design geodesic dome walls
where you want them, if you want them, as you are unrestricted by
bearing walls necessary to hold up a standard roof. There are no limits
to interior design creativity.

http://www.domeincorporated.com/geodesic-domes-history.html

[Jorge]

In article <georgewk10-A3D09...@news.toast.net>,
"Jorge" <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would think an underground geodesic home would be ideal.
> Of course you might emerge to find no job, no neighbors. etc.
> who knew?

and

a site;
Geodesic domes offer the safest shelter in the most violent weather
extremes around the world. In tornadoes and hurricanes, high winds and
negative air pressure combine and get under the eves and soffits of
conventional housing, then rip the roof off, leaving the occupants
exposed. A geodesic dome's aerodynamic shape offers the best above
ground protection against winds from any direction, allowing gale force
winds to slip past. During an earthquake, a conventional house rocks off
its foundation and topples as the earth makes lateral shifts. A dome has
an even distribution of weight and a low center of gravity so it moves
with the earth. Engineering for incredible snow loads is intrinsic in
its design. Insulating efficiently against extreme heat or cold is a
direct factor of the exposed surface area, or outside wall area of any
building. The vaulted ceiling in its free span interior allows excellent
air circulation and heat recovery. You may design geodesic dome walls
where you want them, if you want them, as you are unrestricted by
bearing walls necessary to hold up a standard roof. There are no limits
to interior design creativity.

http://www.domeincorporated.com/geodesic-domes-history.html

[Ernie]

"Jorge" <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'm moving to Quebec in my camper trailer. Even through the winter. Ernie

ps--advanced studies in curing baldness with the hunky doctors at Laval U.

[Marcus (not Farrel)]

ernie moved to where she is in Florida because thought the town was
called Penis Park.

Hope she does do move to OK because she thinks it stands for Oklahomo.

[Ernie]

>...she thinks it stands for Oklahomo.


you mean, it doesn't? Ernie

[Marcus (not Farrel)]

On May 22, 3:22 am, "Ernie" <Ernie...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >...she thinks it stands for Oklahomo.
>
> you mean, it doesn't? Ernie

Why don`t you pull up the wheels on your manufactured house the next
time it gets really windy and find out?

[Bill]

In article <georgewk10-A3D09...@news.toast.net>, georgewk10
@yahoo.com says...

>
> I would think an underground geodesic home would be ideal.
> Of course you might emerge to find no job, no neighbors. etc.
> who knew?

I know in the case of California earthquakes, the TV news only shows
what was damaged. You would get the impression the entire state was a
wreck!

But if you drive around in an area hit by an earthquake, you will have a
difficult time finding ANY building/home which was damaged! Most of the
homes and buildings look perfectly normal with no damage...

So maybe the same for tornados? I would bet there are buildings with
little or no damage. And the thing to do would be to learn how those
were constructed.

[Jorge]

In article
<e296b863-f613-4347...@oj8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

manufactured "Homes" have no wheels.

[Marcus (not Farrel)]

On May 22, 9:49 am, "Jorge" <georgew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e296b863-f613-4347-8de5-6875f6294...@oj8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

>  "Marcus (not Farrel)" <marcuscox2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 22, 3:22 am, "Ernie" <Ernie...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > > >...she thinks it stands for Oklahomo.
>
> > > you mean, it doesn't? Ernie
>
> > Why don`t you pull up the wheels on your manufactured house the next
> > time it gets really windy and find out?
>
> manufactured "Homes" have no wheels.
> --
> Karma  ; what a concept!

That was a inside joke.

[j]

On 5/21/2013 12:40 PM, Jorge wrote:

A few points.

> I would think an underground geodesic home would be ideal.

Not in Oklahoma. There are few basements in Oklahoma because of a high
water table. In fact the few homes with basements sell at a disadvantage.

As far as a dome, domes are hard to keep from leaking. And yes, I know
people who have built domes.

I have a part cylindrical cabana, lightly built of 2x2's and glazing, it
does superbly in the wind.

Otherwise, there is no need to move to Oklahoma, sooner or later a piece
of it will blow your way.

[Gary Heston]

In article <MPG.2c068d15c...@130.133.4.11>,

Bill <NoEmai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <georgewk10-A3D09...@news.toast.net>, georgewk10
>@yahoo.com says...

>> I would think an underground geodesic home would be ideal.

Underground, the shape does not matter. Tornados do damage due to the
winds rushing into the base of the funnel. Anything underground will
not be affected by the winds.

>> Of course you might emerge to find no job, no neighbors. etc.
>> who knew?

Possible, but not entirely likely--tornados cause quite localized
damage. Depending upon the size, things in the direct path will be
damaged or destroyed, but the path is a relatively small total surface
area--in the case of the Oklahoma tornado, that total is about 17 square
miles. Earthquakes can directly affect hundreds of sqaure miles,
hurricanes can affect thousands.

After a tornado, you may find that a block east of you is untouched, and
a block west of you nothing is standing.

[ ... ]

>So maybe the same for tornados? I would bet there are buildings with
>little or no damage. And the thing to do would be to learn how those
>were constructed.

Tornados tend to skip around and bounce; the fact that a house is
untouched may simply indicate the tornado moved up for some reason.

I live in north Alabama; we're one of the most active locations for
tornados in the US. We had two EF1 tornados about 40 miles away earlier
this week. No fatalities, this time, fortunantly.


Gary

[Bill Gill]

There are construction techniques which help. There have been
stories on TV here in Tulsa, OK about such houses. Basically
the houses are reinforced with extra strapping to hold it all
together. They have the roof strapped to the foundation, the
way they do in Florida for hurricane protections.

Of course the ultimate safe construction technique is concrete. There
are a few schools here in Oklahoma which are basically concrete
domes. No reason to hunker down in the hallways and hope for
the best the whole building is a tornado shelter. But almost
any reinforced concrete construction technique would do, and
in addition you get fire protection.

Bill Gill

[Bill Gill]

On 5/22/2013 3:45 PM, j wrote:
> On 5/21/2013 12:40 PM, Jorge wrote:
>
> A few points.
>
>
>> I would think an underground geodesic home would be ideal.
>
> Not in Oklahoma. There are few basements in Oklahoma because of a high
> water table. In fact the few homes with basements sell at a disadvantage.
>
>

I don't know where you get the high water table info. There
are a few parts of the state where there is a high water table
but most of it is pretty well drained. And of course in Western
Oklahoma they are pretty dry. I think they leave basements
out more because they cost a lot, you can't put in a basement
if you want to save money by using a slab foundation.

Then of course there is the 57 Plymouth Belvedere that they put in the
time capsule in downtown Tulsa back in 1957. When they dug
it up in 2007 it was up to the windows in water. So maybe
there is something to the high water table, at least downtown.

Bill Gill

[j]

On 5/23/2013 9:30 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
> On 5/22/2013 3:45 PM, j wrote:
>> On 5/21/2013 12:40 PM, Jorge wrote:
>>
>> A few points.
>>
>>
>>> I would think an underground geodesic home would be ideal.
>>
>> Not in Oklahoma. There are few basements in Oklahoma because of a high
>> water table. In fact the few homes with basements sell at a disadvantage.
>>
>>
> I don't know where you get the high water table info.

I heard it on NPR just a day ago. It came as a surprise to me:

http://www.npr.org/search/index.php?searchinput=oklahoma+no+basement

He didn't know it at the time, but Keller, who is also the director of
the Oklahoma Geological Survey, says he later discovered that the soil
and water conditions in the central part of the state turned out to be
the reason for the shortage of basements.

"We've got a high water table and red clay that expands and contracts
depending on how much moisture there is in the soil," Keller says. "That
expansion and contraction causes cracks in basement wall, and cracks
mean leaks."

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It's a perfect mixture for tornado alley.