On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, aesthete8 wrote:
> Is there such a thing?
Why?
Unless you sit on it or put books on it, it draws very little current, maybe none at all, when it's just sitting there. Pressing a button uses current, but it's a brief instance. The batteries may last almost as long as if you just left them on the shelf.
Given that, any fidgetting is going to bring up the cost. You could use rechargeable batteries, but then you'd need to keep recharging them, since they self-drain. Add solar cells to charge the battery? But the batteries last long enough. Add a crank generator to charge up the batteries? But the batteries last long enough. You end up spending money on a problem that isn't a problem.
SOmething like a flashlight makes sense, since it draws steady current when on, and likely goes long periods without use. You want that flashlight to work when the power goes off, hence it makes sense to have a crank generator or a solar cell to keep it charged. But the circumstances are different.
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012,aesthete8wrote:
> > Is there such a thing?
> Why?
> Unless you sit on it or put books on it, it draws very little current,
> maybe none at all, when it's just sitting there. Pressing a button uses
> current, but it's a brief instance. The batteries may last almost as long
> as if you just left them on the shelf.
> Given that, any fidgetting is going to bring up the cost. You could use
> rechargeable batteries, but then you'd need to keep recharging them, since
> they self-drain. Add solar cells to charge the battery? But the
> batteries last long enough. Add a crank generator to charge up the
> batteries? But the batteries last long enough. You end up spending money
> on a problem that isn't a problem.
> SOmething like a flashlight makes sense, since it draws steady current
> when on, and likely goes long periods without use. You want that
> flashlight to work when the power goes off, hence it makes sense to have a
> crank generator or a solar cell to keep it charged. But the circumstances
> are different.
On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:08:45 PM UTC-4, aesthete8 wrote:
> Is there such a thing?
It's a waste of time and money since the alkaline batteries last for years anyway in this device. If yours do not, you are buying cheap defective batteries.
Technically, it would be possible to make such a device by using current "induced" from the TV to the remote similar to what is done with anti-theft devices on articles that set off alarms when taken out the door at a store.
On Jul 20, 8:17 am, Max Aluminum <im.1.maxalumi...@xoxy.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:08:45 PM UTC-4, aesthete8 wrote:
> > Is there such a thing?
> It's a waste of time and money since the alkaline batteries last for years anyway in this device. If yours do not, you are buying cheap defective batteries.
> Technically, it would be possible to make such a device by using current "induced" from the TV to the remote similar to what is done with anti-theft devices on articles that set off alarms when taken out the door at a store.
My first Betamax in 1984 had a wired remote!
I don't even put fresh batteries in my remotes, I use batteries from
other devices that burn out quicker and they still last months or
years.
Max Aluminum wrote:
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:08:45 PM UTC-4, aesthete8 wrote:
> > Is there such a thing?
> Technically, it would be possible to make such a device by using
> current "induced" from the TV to the remote similar to what is done
> with anti-theft devices on articles that set off alarms when taken
> out the door at a store.
The FIRST TV remotes back in the 60s had no electrical power. They had
a "clicker" that hit a tuned rod, and the sound turned the TV on and
off.
In article <cd2e73cd-4070-49cb-8cd9-015a2b5c6...@po9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Is there such a thing?
Don't know of any. Maybe there's an opportunity waiting to be
exploited.
How about devices that take their queues...er...cues by watching or
listening to the user?
A kinect-based "remote" that watches the user wave and gesture.
A siri "remote" that finds porn anytime someone says "fuck".
A remote that turns the TV on or off anytime someone claps.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Is there such a thing?
>> Depends on what you mean by battery-less.
>> Its possible to do a remote that never needs the battery replaced.
> exactly how does that qualify as battery-less?
Its now clear that what he doesn't like is REPLACING batterys.
And something with a mega capacitor recharged by say solar doesn't have a battery anyway.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Is there such a thing?
>>>> Depends on what you mean by battery-less.
>>>> Its possible to do a remote that never needs the battery replaced.
>>> exactly how does that qualify as battery-less?
>> Its now clear that what he doesn't like is REPLACING batterys.
>> And something with a mega capacitor recharged >> by say solar doesn't have a battery anyway. > I don't care what you call it but an electronic device that isn't > connect to the grid via wires is de facto packed with a battery
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>> Is there such a thing?
> >>>> Depends on what you mean by battery-less.
> >>>> Its possible to do a remote that never needs the battery replaced.
> >>> exactly how does that qualify as battery-less?
> >> Its now clear that what he doesn't like is REPLACING batterys.
> >> And something with a mega capacitor recharged > >> by say solar doesn't have a battery anyway.
> > I don't care what you call it but an electronic device that isn't > > connect to the grid via wires is de facto packed with a battery
> A mega capacitor isnt a battery.
so it doesn't store energy? energy that can power electrical devices?
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Is there such a thing?
>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by battery-less.
>>>>>> Its possible to do a remote that never needs the battery replaced.
>>>>> exactly how does that qualify as battery-less?
>>>> Its now clear that what he doesn't like is REPLACING batterys.
>>>> And something with a mega capacitor recharged >>>> by say solar doesn't have a battery anyway. >>> I don't care what you call it but an electronic device that isn't >>> connect to the grid via wires is de facto packed with a battery
>> A mega capacitor isnt a battery.
> so it doesn't store energy?
There are plenty of things that store energy that arent batterys, like springs for example.
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote > >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>> aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>>> Is there such a thing?
> >>>>>> Depends on what you mean by battery-less.
> >>>>>> Its possible to do a remote that never needs the battery replaced.
> >>>>> exactly how does that qualify as battery-less?
> >>>> Its now clear that what he doesn't like is REPLACING batterys.
> >>>> And something with a mega capacitor recharged > >>>> by say solar doesn't have a battery anyway.
> >>> I don't care what you call it but an electronic device that isn't > >>> connect to the grid via wires is de facto packed with a battery
> >> A mega capacitor isnt a battery.
> > so it doesn't store energy?
> There are plenty of things that store energy > that arent batterys, like springs for example.
> > energy that can power electrical devices?
> See above.
show me a spring that can power a telephone (without some fancy micro-generator attached)
> In article <a7bu1dFh9...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>>>>> aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>>>>>> Is there such a thing?
>> >>>>>> Depends on what you mean by battery-less.
>> >>>>>> Its possible to do a remote that never needs the battery replaced.
>> >>>>> exactly how does that qualify as battery-less?
>> >>>> Its now clear that what he doesn't like is REPLACING batterys.
>> >>>> And something with a mega capacitor recharged
>> >>>> by say solar doesn't have a battery anyway.
>> >>> I don't care what you call it but an electronic device that isn't
>> >>> connect to the grid via wires is de facto packed with a battery
>> >> A mega capacitor isnt a battery.
>> > so it doesn't store energy?
>> There are plenty of things that store energy
>> that arent batterys, like springs for example.
>> > energy that can power electrical devices?
>> See above.
> show me a spring that can power a telephone (without some fancy > micro-generator attached)
Irrelevant to whether batterys are the only way to store energy.
> Watching a movie and the phone rings, and one > is likely to miss the call searching for the remote. > Why not make them Day-Glo orange? Or shocking Pink?
Some do.
> Or even white, so that they would stand out > when looking for them under the couch.
Some do.
> Seems like an easy fix. Who do I talk to to get this done?
>> Why do they make ALL TV remotes black? Watching a movie and the phone
>> rings, and one is likely to miss the call searching for the remote.
> They don't. My 22" LCD tv set i bought last year has a white remote, to
> match the white tv set. I have universal remotes that are silver.
>> Why not make them Day-Glo orange? Or shocking Pink? Or even white, so
>> that they would stand out when looking for them under the couch.
Day-glo would definitely be nice.
>> Seems like an easy fix. Who do I talk to to get this done?
> Get some flourescent paint, and paint the backs of the remotes. it won't
> always help, but plenty of times they do land keys down and that would
> help.
Fluorescent paint isn't all that useful except in total darkness. Day-glo paint (ordinary spray cans) is very fragile. It needs a white undercoat for the glo-ishness to work. If you spray clear stuff over it it loses its glo and becomes ordinary paint. I don't know what they use on the newer day-glo street signs, but it's probably very expensive.
I used to do my motorcycle helmets day-glo green or orange. Whoever hits me is NOT going to be able to claim he didn't see me.
-- Cheers, Bev
=================================================================
"There's an apocryphal (I hope not !) story about a Bristol bike
thief found cold, wet and bedraggled one morning, D locked by the
neck to a local bridge." -- Anon
The Real Bev wrote:
> Fluorescent paint isn't all that useful except in total darkness.
> Day-glo paint (ordinary spray cans) is very fragile. It needs a
> white undercoat for the glo-ishness to work. If you spray clear
> stuff over it it loses its glo and becomes ordinary paint. I don't
> know what they use on the newer day-glo street signs, but it's
> probably very expensive.
> I used to do my motorcycle helmets day-glo green or orange. Whoever
> hits me is NOT going to be able to claim he didn't see me.
Last I knew, street signs were done in retroreflective glass
micro-beads.
