Re: How many trillion has the FED already injected?
hp...@lycos.com
> Just today another $630B....With this kind of injection, and banks
> still not lending, what makes the FED think another $700B will do it?
It just won't work. Look at the 100 billion stimulus package. Let
affected
banks go under.
mitch
clams_casino
Robert Ladd
"clams_casino" <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:uTfEk.557$ex3...@newsfe02.iad...
Explain then. One, the other, or both.
Robert Ladd
Jeff
In one word: liquidity.
Google "Credit Crunch". You'll hit articles like this:
(Overview)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/29/AR2008092902762.html?hpid=topnews
The basic problem here is that too many people don't understand the
seriousness of the situation.
Americans fail to understand that they are facing the real prospect of a
decade of little or no economic growth because of the bursting of a
credit bubble that they helped create and that now threatens to bring
down the global financial system.
Politicians worry less about preventing a financial meltdown than about
ideology, partisan posturing and teaching people a lesson. Financiers
have yet to own up publicly to their own greed, arrogance and
incompetence. And leaders of foreign governments still think that this
is an American problem and that they have no need to mount similar
rescue efforts in their own countries.
In the coming weeks and months, all of these people will come to
understand how deep the hole really is and how we're all in it together.
They'll come to understand that the giant sucking sound they hear is of
a massive deleveraging of the global economy and the global financial
system as households, governments, businesses and investment funds
adjust to living in a world with less debt and more inflation.
And they will come around, reluctantly, to the understanding that the
only way to get out of these situations is to have governments all
around the world borrow gobs of money and effectively nationalize large
swaths of the financial system so it can be restructured, recapitalized,
reformed and returned to private ownership once the crisis has passed
and the economy has gotten back on its feet.
In the next few weeks, the center of attention here in the United States
will shift from the Congress and an exhausted Treasury to the Federal
Deposit Insurance Corp., which will now have to rescue any number of
failing banks, either by taking them over directly or managing their
transfer into stronger hands. It will also shift back to the Federal
Reserve and other central banks, which will have to step up their
efforts to maintain liquidity in money markets and prevent the credit
crunch from taking down hedge funds, businesses, and state and local
governments.
These will, alas, be only holding actions. Restoring real stability to
financial markets will require the kind of systemic approach and
extraordinary government interventions that the public has refused to
authorize and finance. In better times, the public might have put aside
its reluctance in response to the strong and unified recommendation of
political and business leaders. But it is a measure of how little trust
remains in both Washington and Wall Street that voters are willing to
risk a serious hit to their wealth and income rather than follow their
lead.
(A few specifics)
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/sep2008/db20080928_348088.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_news+%2B+analysis
The ripple effects of the week that shook Wall Street are now being
painfully absorbed by nonfinancial companies across the nation, from
carmakers to casinos. "Tightening financial conditions have expanded to
reach nearly all sectors," says Diane Vazza, managing director of global
fixed income research at Standard & Poor's, which, like BusinessWeek, is
owned by The McGraw-Hill Companies (MHP). "Screaming headlines about the
financial sector might give some the misleading impression that
nonfinancials are mercifully out of the line of fire. Nothing could be
further from the truth. The heat will eventually spread."
A growing number of companies are already feeling the heat. As of Sept.
9, 57 companies had defaulted on $45.3 billion of debt for the year,
according to S&P RatingsDirect, up from 22 companies defaulting in all
of 2007. (While not a bankruptcy, a default sets off clear alarm bells
about a company's fiscal health.) Of the 57, 45 are outside the
financial industry. And more defaults are likely on the way: Roughly 70%
of nonfinancial companies carry a noninvestment or junk credit rating.
S&P projects that the three-year cumulative default rate between 2008
and 2010 among nonfinancial firms with poor credit will rise to 23.2%,
the worst on record since 1981.
Discerning which firms will cave first is difficult, but S&P has
identified 162 "weakest links," or companies in danger of defaulting
over the next 12 months. It is the seventh straight month that the
roster of credit-unworthy firms has grown. On that list are high-profile
names such as United Airlines parent UAL, General Motors, Tribune, Six
Flags (SIX), and Trump Entertainment Resorts.
This is not about Wallstreet.
Jeff
>
>
> Robert Ladd
>
>
Truth...@nospam.net
>hp...@lycos.com wrote:
Stop wishing son. No one was willing to project the 700B was going to fix
anything. That's one reason it failed to pass.
Truth...@nospam.net
>Robert Ladd wrote:
>> "clams_casino" <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>> news:uTfEk.557$ex3...@newsfe02.iad...
>>> hp...@lycos.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 29, 5:04 pm, aeron...@flight.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just today another $630B....With this kind of injection, and banks
>>>>> still not lending, what makes the FED think another $700B will do it?
>>>>>
>>>> It just won't work. Look at the 100 billion stimulus package. Let
>>>> affected
>>>> banks go under.
>>>>
>>>> mitch
>>>>
>>> Obviously you don't understand the problem or the proposed solution.
>>>
>>
>> Explain then. One, the other, or both.
> In one word: liquidity.
> Google "Credit Crunch". You'll hit articles like this:
>(Overview)
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/29/AR2008092902762.html?hpid=topnews
>The basic problem here is that too many people don't understand the
>seriousness of the situation.
We can fix that when if and when it arrives. There is no reason to bail
out the rich when they refuse to pay the fiddler with their money.
clams_casino
>
>
>
>
>>The basic problem here is that too many people don't understand the
>>seriousness of the situation.
>>
>>
>
>We can fix that when if and when it arrives. There is no reason to bail
>out the rich when they refuse to pay the fiddler with their money.
>
The fallacy is that the wealthy will generally survive a depression.
They may lose 3/4 of their wealth, but they will remain wealthy. The
poor will also remain generally untouched. It's the middle and upper
middle classes that have the most to lose.
Truth...@nospam.net
>Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
Don't worry about it son. The people are going to throw the right wing out
of office in November. The people will be taken care of in the end. The
hell with the greedy, stupid crooks that caused the problem.
Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to find bush and the right wing know this
and have exaggerated the situation, hoping the congress would be stupid
enough to blow all the money on the rich so they could nothing for the
People come Jan.
Paul Popinjay
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>
> Don't worry about it son. The people are going to throw the right wing out
> of office in November. The people will be taken care of in the end. The
> hell with the greedy, stupid crooks that caused the problem.
>
> Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to find bush and the right wing know this
> and have exaggerated the situation, hoping the congress would be stupid
> enough to blow all the money on the rich so they could nothing for the
> People come Jan.
>
TruthTeller, thank you for your comments about Bush. It is refreshing to
see your unique and provocative comments on our newsgroup.
I am the Assistant Coordinator at rec.gambling.poker and I have been
tasked with reviewing the Profiles of new posters who fall onto our
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no confirmation number in the upper righthand corner of your Profile. Sure,
the box is there, but there is no text in it. It is just blank!
I'm not a computer expert and I am not quite sure how you managed to post
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Please contact the Senior Coordinator and follow the instructions in his
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Jeff
> In <lMednbxoaqC_AnzV...@earthlink.com>, on 09/29/2008
> at 11:38 PM, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> said:
>
>
>
>> Robert Ladd wrote:
>>> "clams_casino" <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uTfEk.557$ex3...@newsfe02.iad...
>>>> hp...@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 29, 5:04 pm, aeron...@flight.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just today another $630B....With this kind of injection, and banks
>>>>>> still not lending, what makes the FED think another $700B will do it?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It just won't work. Look at the 100 billion stimulus package. Let
>>>>> affected
>>>>> banks go under.
>>>>>
>>>>> mitch
>>>>>
>>>> Obviously you don't understand the problem or the proposed solution.
>>>>
>>> Explain then. One, the other, or both.
>
>> In one word: liquidity.
>
>> Google "Credit Crunch". You'll hit articles like this:
>
>> (Overview)
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/29/AR2008092902762.html?hpid=topnews
>
>> The basic problem here is that too many people don't understand the
>> seriousness of the situation.
>
> We can fix that when if and when it arrives. There is no reason to bail
> out the rich when they refuse to pay the fiddler with their money.
The whole problem is getting the credit market working without
bailing out the rich. But getting these markets working is important indeed.
City and State governments are in the same place as corporations.
They can not get financing, and when they do it is at a high cost.
The house of cards has been stacked. Now, I can watch it fall, but I
doubt most people can.
Jeff
Truth...@nospam.net
In <48adnUCOY-q4un_V...@earthlink.com>, on 09/30/2008
What isn't working. Examples? Leave out the banks that have caused the
problem by being stupid and greedy.
> City and State governments are in the same place as corporations.
>They can not get financing, and when they do it is at a high cost.
Pundits keep sending out this line -->but gee, we do not have one sinple
example of any state, city or corporation not getting the loans they need
-->except for the banks that got themselves into the deep shit by being
greedy and stupid.
Let them go bankrupt, then the treasury can step in.
Truth...@nospam.net
Its simple son, I responded to *someone else who set up the cross-post.
If you are going to play know-it-all, smart ass geek, you need to know
more then you have shown here.
In <lzpEk.2825$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>, on 09/30/2008
Paul Popinjay
news:p_pEk.975$Dk4...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> Its simple son, I responded to *someone else who set up the cross-post.
> If you are going to play know-it-all, smart ass geek, you need to know
> more then you have shown here.
>
I apologize if you misinterpreted my post. I welcome your comments on
rec.gambling.poker. Our group is not just about poker, but it has blossomed
into a significant source of off-topic political commentary. Some of which
I have occasionally participated in. TruthTeller, I am not what you
referred to as a "geek". In fact, I am only semi-computer literate.
However, our newsgroup chose me as an aid to the Senior Coordinator and I
don't mind. I merely wanted you to know that your Profile had no
confirmation number. Did you even bother to check it? The box is
completely blank.
We have all had to go through this at some time before. Please simply
contact the Senior Coordinator, follow the link and instructions in his
reply email, and I will try not to bother you again, TruthTeller. Again, I
apologize if you were offended by anything I said.
rick++
Banks are charging each other about 6% now for overnight loans.
That is the same as saying credit has completely evaporated
except for what the Fed provides.
John A. Weeks III
<c189619f-ec7c-4938...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
"rick++" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
He, real facts. What are you trying to do? BTW, last night,
the rate was up to 7%. That is 2% for the cost of funds, and
5% because even the banks don't trust each other any more.
-john-
--
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John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 jo...@johnweeks.com
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
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Jeff
have been folding. All of the local governments are in trouble.
>
>
>> City and State governments are in the same place as corporations.
>> They can not get financing, and when they do it is at a high cost.
>
> Pundits keep sending out this line -->but gee, we do not have one sinple
> example of any state, city or corporation not getting the loans they need
> -->except for the banks that got themselves into the deep shit by being
> greedy and stupid.
>
> Let them go bankrupt, then the treasury can step in.
>
The Treasury has been stepping in. When the largest thrift failed
(Washington Mutual), we are on the hook for that with little chance of
recourse. It, of course, is not the only one. How much will Lehman
Brothers cost? Wachovia? Bear Sterns? And what about the hidden costs,
the ripples from Lehman have been large and widespread.
Many others are teetering.
So, which is better, spending billions to "fix" problems ad hoc, or to
resolve some of the underlying issues?
And what about these mega banks that are coming out of the soup?
What about the $600 billion the Fed is forking out to supply foreign
demand?
What we need is some leadership to forge a path. What we have is
Chicken Little.
Jeff
John James
> Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The basic problem here is that too many people don't understand the
>>> seriousness of the situation.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We can fix that when if and when it arrives. There is no reason to
>> bail out the rich when they refuse to pay the fiddler with their
>> money.
>
>
> The fallacy is that the wealthy will generally survive a depression.
> They may lose 3/4 of their wealth, but they will remain wealthy. The poor will also remain generally untouched.
Depends on what you call the poor. Those with minimum wage jobs may well lose those jobs.
> It's the middle and upper middle classes that have the most to lose.
But often do have the resources like paid off houses that allow them to survive fine.
Rod Speed
They cant have exaggerated the situation when we have seen operations
like Lehmans that had been around for 150 years and which survived the
great depression fine, sink beneath the waves. And operations like WAMU
and Wachovia implode very spectacularly indeed.
clams_casino
>clams_casino <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The basic problem here is that too many people don't understand the
>>>>seriousness of the situation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>We can fix that when if and when it arrives. There is no reason to
>>>bail out the rich when they refuse to pay the fiddler with their
>>>money.
>>>
>>>
>>The fallacy is that the wealthy will generally survive a depression.
>>They may lose 3/4 of their wealth, but they will remain wealthy. The poor will also remain generally untouched.
>>
>>
>
>Depends on what you call the poor. Those with minimum wage jobs may well lose those jobs.
>
>
Correct. I should have said the very poor, as the working poor will
definately suffer.
clams_casino
>
> The Treasury has been stepping in. When the largest thrift failed
> (Washington Mutual), we are on the hook for that with little chance of
> recourse.
Oddly, I received a credit card offer from WaMu in today's mail. Up to
about a month ago, such offers (from a variety of banks) were a daily
occurrence ( a noticeable void in recent weeks), but today's was
especially amusing as it was from Wamu.
Jeff
ROFLMAO
Jeff
h
"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
news:NsidneUBg7_j43_V...@earthlink.com...
>> Oddly, I received a credit card offer from WaMu in today's mail. Up to
>> about a month ago, such offers (from a variety of banks) were a daily
>> occurrence ( a noticeable void in recent weeks), but today's was
>> especially amusing as it was from Wamu.
>
> ROFLMAO
>
I received 6 credit card offers this week from WaMu, Wachovia, Wells Fargo,
Citibank, Chase, and BoA. I also received several home equity loan offers,
including one from IndyMac. Haven't at least 3 of these institutions already
"failed"?
Gregory Morrow
clams_casino wrote:
As of today Wamu is still running radio ads here in Chicago, slightly
incongruous considering the recent nooze. Even more incongruous is the fact
that the ads tout the large number of their branches in the area, since the
majority of them will be apparently be closed. At first I thought these ads
were a parody, but apparently not.
It's amazing the number of "storefront" bank branches have sprouted up in
the last several years. The Wamu down the street here is sandwiched between
a Radio Snack and take - out salad place, this "bank" until last autumn was
a nail salon...
--
Best
Greg
Truth...@nospam.net
They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks because
no one trusts their data. Let them fall for their sins.
Rod Speed
Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
Paul Popinjay
news:6kfpdmF...@mid.individual.net...
> Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>
>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks
>> because no one trusts their data. Let them fall for their sins.
>
> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid". Are you a
teen ager? It is refreshing to have new points of view such as
TruthTeller's and your own contributing to our newsgroup here at
rec.gambling.poker. Although our group is composed of poker players, we are
all real people with real concerns about what is to become of our economy.
I for one am very interested in hearing what TruthTeller has to say and I'd
like to be able to read your conversation without having to wade through
juvenile insults. Also, it is a responsibility I have taken upon myself as
Assistant Coordinator to keep the discourse flowing smoothly on our group.
Please continue, Rod, but try to be more courteous.
Thank you,
-Paul Popinjay
Asst. Coordinator Rec.Gambling.Poker
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Truth...@nospam.net wrote
>>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks
>>> because no one trusts their data. Let them fall for their sins.
>> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
> I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid".
I call a spade a spade and a stupid a stupid, stupid.
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:cUzEk.2137$YU2....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6kfpdmF...@mid.individual.net...
>> Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>>>
>>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks
>>> because no one trusts their data. Let them fall for their sins.
>>
>> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
>
> I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid".
Because he is.
Are you a
> teen ager?
Does the guy need to be a teen to see stupidity?
It is refreshing to have new points of view such as
> TruthTeller's and your own contributing to our newsgroup here at
> rec.gambling.poker. Although our group is composed of poker players, we
> are all real people with real concerns about what is to become of our
> economy. I for one am very interested in hearing what TruthTeller has to
> say and I'd like to be able to read your conversation without having to
> wade through juvenile insults.
Didn't you recently say "Fuck you" to someone?
Also, it is a responsibility I have taken upon myself as
> Assistant Coordinator to keep the discourse flowing smoothly on our group.
> Please continue, Rod, but try to be more courteous.
>
So post a list of acceptable insults for us, Paullie.
Paul Popinjay
> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Truth...@nospam.net wrote
>
>>>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks
>>>> because no one trusts their data.
>>> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
>
>> I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid".
>
> I call a spade a spade
Rod, I'd like to see you respond a little more in point to TruthTeller's
challenges. I think he's put a lot of thought into it and much of what he
says sounds quite believable to me. By the way, Rod. I took the liberty of
checking your posting history and I couldn't help but notice that there is
no confirmation number in the upper righthand corner. Yes, the box is
there, but it's just empty. There's nothing in it.
Rod, you seem to be one of the more reasonable of the new posters on
rec.gambling.poker. What is it exactly that you disagree with TruthTeller
about? I'd like to hear what you have to say. Also, Rod, please contact
the Senior Coordinator and get the confirmation number straightened out by
just following the instructions and clicking on the link in his reply email
to you. It's quick and simple. After that, you will be good to go. When
do you think the economic situation is going to turn around? Is it a
hopeless future unless a third party gets into the White House?
Thank you,
-Paul Popinjay
Asst. Coordinator, Rec.Gambling.Poker
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Truth...@nospam.net wrote
>>>>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks because no one trusts their data.
>>>> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
>>> I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid".
>> I call a spade a spade
> Rod, I'd like to see you respond a little more in point to TruthTeller's challenges.
Doesnt matter what you would like.
> I think he's put a lot of thought into it
Nope, just the usual mindless thoughtless silly stuff.
> and much of what he says sounds quite believable to me.
More fool you.
> By the way, Rod. I took the liberty of checking your posting history and I couldn't help but notice that there is no
> confirmation number in the upper righthand corner. Yes, the box is there, but it's just empty. There's nothing in it.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont have a clue about what usenet is about.
> Rod, you seem to be one of the more reasonable of the new posters on rec.gambling.poker.
I am not a poster on rec.gambling.poker.
> What is it exactly that you disagree with TruthTeller about? I'd like to hear what you have to say.
I did, and that is still in the quoting at the top.
> Also, Rod, please contact the Senior Coordinator and get the confirmation number straightened out by just following
> the instructions and clicking on the link in his reply email to you. It's quick and simple. After that, you will be
> good to go.
I have been good to go for decades thanks.
> When do you think the economic situation is going to turn around?
Really depends on whether the bailout gets thru Congress, and the detail of what gets thru if it does.
> Is it a hopeless future unless a third party gets into the White House?
Nope, whoever gets into the White House, Congress will eventually get a clue if the economy tanks completely.
We survived the great depression, two world wars, the cold war etc etc etc and will survive this fiasco too.
There may well be considerable damage to the economy before it gets fixed tho,
particularly if the Congress doesnt have enough of a clue to go for the bailout.
Jeff
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6kg5i4F...@mid.individual.net...
>> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Truth...@nospam.net wrote
>>>>> They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks
>>>>> because no one trusts their data.
>
>>>> Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
>>> I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid".
>> I call a spade a spade
>
> Rod, I'd like to see you respond a little more in point to TruthTeller's
> challenges. I think he's put a lot of thought into it and much of what he
> says sounds quite believable to me. By the way, Rod. I took the liberty of
> checking your posting history and I couldn't help but notice that there is
> no confirmation number in the upper righthand corner. Yes, the box is
> there, but it's just empty. There's nothing in it.
>
> Rod, you seem to be one of the more reasonable of the new posters on
> rec.gambling.poker.
Boy, do you guys have low standards.
Rod takes delight in being offensive. It completely overrides whatever
other value there may be in his post. BTW, he's in OZ.
You can either ignore or killfile him, or engage in these kinds of
exchanges. Most of us have better things to do, YMMV. And you really
need to understand what cross posting is all about. None of us see or
even care about your confirmation number. To me, as a long time denizen
of usenet, it just seems ridiculous.
Jeff
Truth...@nospam.net
Son we will fix republican wrecked economy when and if the fall comes.
Until then, I'm in favor of letting the rich greedy asses that wrecked it
go down with it.
If they weren't all lying, there would be less of a problem. And we know
they are all lying, because hell, even Paulsen and bush can't define
exactly what they need the 700 billion for or how it will be spent or
exactly why the Fed can't provide the money to bail out the poor needy
banks.
Too bad you right wing idiots can't learn from history.
In <6kfpdmF...@mid.individual.net>, on 10/01/2008
clams_casino
>"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6kfpdmF...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>>Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>>They are speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks
>>>because no one trusts their data. Let them fall for their sins.
>>>
>>>
>>Then the entire economy falls too, stupid.
>>
>>
>
>I don't understand why you have to call TruthTeller "stupid". Are you a
>teen ager?
>
A more correct term is ignorant.
Truth...@nospam.net
Really goober, I'm ignorant? Prove this statement wrong: --->"They are
speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks because no one
trusts their data. "
Hell, even the Fed isn't loaning them money -- and it has the right to do
so under law -- Because these people have been on a crap-shoot and they
have lost, and no one trusts their tall tails about how stable they are.
Its not all banks that are in trouble. Just the ones run by the greedy
that are in deep trouble. Let them fall for their sins.
Of course we could let all you hillbilly right wingers put up your own
money to bail the crooks out. How you boys are afraid of that?
In <COIEk.36907$891....@newsfe07.iad>, on 10/01/2008
Truth...@nospam.net
What you mean is you know I'm right. The banks are not lending each other
money because even they don't trust what the others is saying and they are
afraid they won't get paid back.
There's been a con game going on since reagon, and its all falling apart.
fdcF7...@mid.individual.net>, on 10/01/2008
clams_casino
>Really goober, I'm ignorant? Prove this statement wrong: --->"They are
>speculators, or banks that can't borrow from other banks because no one
>trusts their data. "
>
>Hell, even the Fed isn't loaning them money -- and it has the right to do
>so under law -- Because these people have been on a crap-shoot and they
>have lost, and no one trusts their tall tails about how stable they are.
>
>Its not all banks that are in trouble. Just the ones run by the greedy
>that are in deep trouble. Let them fall for their sins.
>
>
>Of course we could let all you hillbilly right wingers put up your own
>money to bail the crooks out. How you boys are afraid of that?
>
>
>
>
Could you please rephrase that in <fourth grade English?
Paul Popinjay
>
> Rod takes delight in being offensive. It completely overrides whatever
> other value there may be in his post. BTW, he's in OZ.
>
> You can either ignore or killfile him, or engage in these kinds of
> exchanges. Most of us have better things to do, YMMV. And you really need
> to understand what cross posting is all about. None of us see or even care
> about your confirmation number. To me, as a long time denizen of usenet,
> it just seems ridiculous.
>
> Jeff
>
Jeff, I realize you are probably posting from a newsgroup other than
rec.gambling.poker. But why make my day more difficult? I was ok with it
when the group made Ramashiva and me the senior and assistant coordinators,
respectively. But Jeff, I'm not even getting paid for this. I have a real
job and then I just try to help keep the group coordinated in my spare time.
I also like to play poker when I get home, and so that's when I try to keep
the flow of the threads smooth, when I am between hands. Have you even
checked your Profile lately? You'll see that the box where the confirmation
number goes is just blank. It's not grayed out, it's completely empty. I'm
thinking you must have posted to our group at least once before 2004 when
the system had the major upgrade. Ramashiva worked on that himself, he is
really smart about computers. But there appears to be that one minor flaw
that if you were on the system before that time period then the confirmation
number drops off and you have to resubmit your request for one. He's
usually quite prompt about getting back to you so if everyone can get up to
par on this it will be over with really quickly and we can get on with the
business of open and honest conversation with all kinds of nice people from
all walks of life. Plus, it really helps me to coordinate it.
Thank you Jeff!
Best regards,
William Souden
You have to understand a few things about Rod:
He is a life time welfare recipient whose adult work history
consists of a job that fired him on the first day.
Whenever he is shown to be wrong he throws temper tantrums. When
cites refuting him are posted his standard replies are "bullshit" or
irrelevant".
He is jealous of those of us who have jobs,education,communication
skills,friends,money and lives.
The only things that bother him more than someone with a job is
someone with a good paying job.
He regularly demeans the professions of those who question him
because he lacks the skills to obtain such employment.
>
Rod Speed
> What you mean is you know I'm right.
Pathetic.
> The banks are not lending each other money because even they don't trust
> what the others is saying and they are afraid they won't get paid back.
I've said that myself before you ever did.
> There's been a con game going on since reagon, and its all falling apart.
Yes, but doing nothing now is absolutely guaranteed to produce another
great depression or worse, essentially because all modern first and second
world economys are so utterly dependant on credit for everything now.
There's hardly any business enterprise that doesnt depend on
credit now, even if thats just credit in the hands of the consumers.
The reason I pointed out that you are stupid is that you're too stupid
to be able to grasp the significance of that indisputable fact and are
just mindless obsessing about the undoubted stupiditys that have
produced the current fiasco. Thats all completely irrelevant when
considering what we should do now to avoid a great depression or worse.
Rod Speed
>> And you really need to understand what cross posting is all about. None of us see or even care about your
>> confirmation number. To me, as a long time denizen of usenet, it just seems ridiculous.
> Jeff, I realize you are probably posting from a newsgroup other than rec.gambling.poker. But why make my day more
> difficult?
Because you dont have the remotest concept of how usenet works.
> I was ok with it when the group made Ramashiva and me the senior and assistant coordinators, respectively. But Jeff,
> I'm not even getting paid for this.
Thats all completely irrelevant to those of us who have been using usenet for a decade or more.
> I have a real job and then I just try to help keep the group
> coordinated in my spare time. I also like to play poker when I get
> home, and so that's when I try to keep the flow of the threads
> smooth, when I am between hands. Have you even checked your Profile
> lately? You'll see that the box where the confirmation number goes
> is just blank. It's not grayed out, it's completely empty. I'm
> thinking you must have posted to our group at least once before 2004
> when the system had the major upgrade.
Nope. We show up in rec.gambling.poker because someone chose to crosspost to that.
> Ramashiva worked on that himself, he is really smart about computers.
But isnt actually smart enough to have worked out what usenet is about.
> But there appears to be that one minor flaw that if you were on the system before that time
> period then the confirmation number drops off and you have to resubmit your request for one.
The problem has nothing to do with that. We show up in
rec.gambling.poker because someone chose to crosspost to that.
> He's usually quite prompt about getting back to you so if everyone can get up to par on this it will be over with
> really quickly and we can get on with the business of open and honest conversation with all kinds of nice people from
> all walks of life.
We can do that without bothering to do that.
> Plus, it really helps me to coordinate it.
usenet is never about coordination. Its as close to complete anarchy as you are ever going to see in your entire life.
Rod Speed
to grasp that it has been told repeatedly that I have never ever
accepted a cent of welfare in my entire life and wont need to even
if we do see another great depression or worse, because I moved
the vast bulk of my assets to cash quite some time ago now.
Rod Speed
> Son
I'm a lot older than you are thanks child.
> we will fix republican wrecked economy when and if the fall comes.
Nope. Even if we are stupid enough to see another great depression
or worse, we will recover from that in precisely the same way that we
did with the previous one, with a govt bailout and the system will
eventually carry on regardless. It likely wont take as long to get bailed
out this time, because those that matter do understand that that is the
ONLY thing that works in that situation and even the stupidest congress
critter will eventually noticed what immense damage has been done to
the economy.
> Until then, I'm in favor of letting the rich greedy asses that wrecked it go down with it.
More fool you. Those of use with a clue would prefer to avoid another great depression
or worse, just because of the immense damage that will do to the hordes who will lose
their jobs and who dont have the resources required to exist until the economy recovers.
> If they weren't all lying, there would be less of a problem.
Sure, but thats all completely irrelevant to what we do NOW to avoid another great depression or worse.
> And we know they are all lying, because hell, even Paulsen and
> bush can't define exactly what they need the 700 billion for
Because no one knows currently. Thats not lying, thats just not knowing.
> or how it will be spent
Because no one knows currently. Thats not lying, thats just not knowing.
> or exactly why the Fed can't provide the money to bail out the poor needy banks.
The fed doesnt have that sort of money, stupid.
> Too bad you right wing idiots can't learn from history.
You're the one that cant do that. Its your mentality that
produced the great depression after the 1929 Wall St crash.
You really are too stupid to be able to work those basics out.
William Souden
> He's just a racetrack bum that is so stupid that it cant even manage
> to grasp that it has been told repeatedly that I have never ever
> accepted a cent of welfare in my entire life and wont need to even
> if we do see another great depression or worse, because I moved
> the vast bulk of my assets to cash quite some time ago now.
In one post I mentioned that I enjoy going to the track. Unable to
afford such visits Rod has some idea that the track is populated by
bums. Wonder which of the people I share my turf club membership with,
the attorney,the surgeon or the travel agent is the biggest bum.
I wish Rod would play the ponies, it is the only time I like being
around clueless people. Wonder if welfare boy can understand why.
If Rod has any assets it had to be inherited as anyone reading his
posts would see his communication skills , intellect and demeanor are
those of a person who,at best,has a record of menial jobs.
If someone said I was on welfare I would laugh and then tell them
what I do. If they repeated the claim I would ignore it but Rod not only
gets bent out of shape over this topic he also never wants to tell us
about his alleged jobs.
Paul Popinjay
<snip context displaying poster's poor attitude>
>
> usenet is never about coordination. Its as close to complete anarchy as
> you are ever going to see in your entire life.
>
I don't think so, Rod. I lived in the middle of Los Angeles during the
"Rodney King" riots in 1992. And THAT was the closest thing to complete
anarchy I have ever seen.
Look, Rod, don't talk down to me. I DO understand what usenet is all about,
but you don't seem to understand what rec.gambling.poker is all about. You
don't have to tell me about how you can continue to post as you wish on your
other newsgroups. But let me remind you, Rod, and I don't want you to take
this lightly. I can suspend your permissions involving rec.gambling.poker,
simply because I don't care for your attitude. I have been extremely
patient with you so far. What is your problem?
William Souden
His problems are:
No job
No money other than welfare.
No education.
No job skills.
Inability to ever admit errors.
No friends
No life
His only outlet for his frustrations and failed life are attacking
others on newsgroups.
William Souden
sales fool/race track bum
Truth...@nospam.net
The spon comment is condescending goober. It means you're stupid.
There will not be another depression. We are throwing you right wing
idiots out in November to make sure of it.
PS: There is no sign that the congress is going to bail out the rich wall
street crooks. So give up your right wing bullshit.
In <6kho4hF...@mid.individual.net>, on 10/02/2008
Truth...@nospam.net
Run along goober. Only idiots want to bail out the greedy crooks on wall
street.
That's you son.
In <6khnbaF...@mid.individual.net>, on 10/02/2008
Rod Speed
> Run along goober.
Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
> Only idiots want to bail out the greedy crooks on wall street.
Only terminal fuckwits deliberately produce another great depression or worse.
> That's you son.
You in spades, child.
Rod Speed
> <snip context displaying poster's poor attitude>
Snip you having your nose rubbed in the basics of what usenet is about, actually.
>> usenet is never about coordination. Its as close to complete anarchy as you are ever going to see in your entire
>> life.
> I don't think so, Rod.
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
> I lived in the middle of Los Angeles during the "Rodney King" riots in 1992. And THAT was the closest thing to
> complete anarchy I have ever seen.
Nothing like complete anarchy.
> Look, Rod, don't talk down to me.
Go and fuck yourself.
> I DO understand what usenet is all about,
You clearly dont.
There is no 'coordination' or 'confirmation number' with usenet.
> but you don't seem to understand what rec.gambling.poker is all about.
What some fool does in a particular newsgroup is completely irrelevant to usenet, fool.
> You don't have to tell me about how you can continue to post as you wish on your other newsgroups.
I clearly do.
> But let me remind you, Rod, and I don't want you to take this lightly. I can suspend your permissions involving
> rec.gambling.poker,
No you cant. Try it and you will discover that nothing you
do makes the slightest difference to me posting in that group.
> simply because I don't care for your attitude.
Wrong, as always.
> I have been extremely patient with you so far.
You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
> What is your problem?
You are a terminal fuckwit that hasnt got a fucking clue and cant even manage a viable troll.
Rod Speed
> The spon comment is condescending goober. It means you're stupid.
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
> There will not be another depression.
Likely not, even Congress isnt actually that stupid, even if clowns like you are.
> We are throwing you right wing idiots out in November to make sure of it.
Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that the
Demoprats got control of the Congress a couple of years
ago now, and that the sub prime fiasco happened ANYWAY.
> PS: There is no sign that the congress is going to bail out the rich wall street crooks.
Wanna bet ?
> So give up your right wing bullshit.
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
Truth...@nospam.net
Good news for you right wingers -->the Senate is adding mental health
insurance to the draft bailoutr bill.
Now run along and find a professional to help you think.
In <6khtk6F...@mid.individual.net>, on 10/02/2008
Paul Popinjay
>
> Go and fuck yourself.
>
That's not nice at all. Rod, I don't want you to read or reply to any more
of my posts.
-Paul P.
Asst. Coordinator, Rec.Gambling.Poker
William Souden
As opposed to your full time trolling here consisting of the same bots
over and over.
Paul Popinjay
news:%8QEk.2062$ZP4....@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
> As opposed to your full time trolling here consisting of the same bots
> over and over.
William, is Rod one of those troll things? It wasn't very nice of him to
cuss at me. I am on rec.gambling.poker and I am guessing he is on another
newsgroup because I have not seen him before. Is he this nasty all the time
on his own newsgroup? I would prefer that he stays away from
rec.gambling.poker as I am trying to keep our own group civil and
coordinated. It doesn't always work, but I feel confident that without me
on rgp it would have been a lot worse than it is. So I have done my part in
making the world a better place.
Thanks, and good luck with dealing with rude people like Rod.
-Paul P.
Rod Speed
>> Go and fuck yourself.
> That's not nice at all. Rod, I don't want you to read or reply to any more of my posts.
Go and fuck yourself again.
William Souden
He is a regular troll on misc.consumers.free-stuff. He regularly
makes claims and when show to be wrong takes one or more of these tactics:
"bullshit"
"irrelevant"
"could not bullshit its way out of a paper bag"
"reams of puerile(took him a year to learn how to spell that
word)shit flushed down the toilet.
Denigrating the jobs of others,jobs he could never obtain.
He serves a purpose, he reminds us how lucky we are to have good
jobs,money,brains and lives.
>
>
William Souden
And Rod wonders why he has no job and no friends. Come on,welfare boy,
show us the toilet or the paper bag bots.
>
>
Paul Popinjay
Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that right.
Please don't reply to my posts, or I will report you.
Thanks,
-Paul P.
John Weiss
>
> William, is Rod one of those troll things? It wasn't very nice of him to cuss
> at me. I am on rec.gambling.poker and I am guessing he is on another
> newsgroup because I have not seen him before. Is he this nasty all the time
> on his own newsgroup? I would prefer that he stays away from
> rec.gambling.poker as I am trying to keep our own group civil and coordinated.
> It doesn't always work, but I feel confident that without me on rgp it would
> have been a lot worse than it is.
Dunno who started crossposting this to so many newsgroups, or what it has to do
with poker...
Yes, he's a troll. it's best if you ignore or killfile him, though occasionally
I find it necessary to debunk something he says that may actually hurt some
unwary person who believes him. At best, rod speed's posts are totally useless.
At the other end of the spectrum is his repeated invective and profanity.
There's not much in between...
John Weiss
>
> Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that right.
> Please don't reply to my posts, or I will report you.
Unfortunately, there's nobody who can do anything about him. Ignore him.
Paul Popinjay
news:gc0pg1$1vh$2...@registered.motzarella.org...
John, before I took over the brunt of the Senior Coordinator's
responsibilities, I had to get certified. You are right, I should, and I
will, ignore Rod's comments. But he has no right to continue to read and
reply to my posts when it is in a thread I start. I know I did not start
this thread so it does not reply. I just want him to know that I am no one
to push around as I have a great deal of credibility and credentials on
rec.gambling.poker, plus I was certified. I can report him to the agency if
he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth. He should not be surprised if suddenly
his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to post
to rec.gambling.poker.
Thank you for your advice, though, John. I may have been coordinating
rec.gambling.poker for a few years now but I still have a lot to learn.
Thanks.
-Paul P.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Go and fuck yourself.
>>> That's not nice at all. Rod, I don't want you to read or reply to any more of my posts.
>> Go and fuck yourself again.
> Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts.
And I have told you more than once to go and fuck yourself.
> I have that right.
No you dont.
> Please don't reply to my posts,
Go and fuck yourself. No please, that's an order.
> or I will report you.
Is this where I'm supposed to curl up and die or sumfin ?
Rod Speed
>> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>> Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that right. Please don't reply to my posts, or I
>>> will report you.
>> Unfortunately, there's nobody who can do anything about him. Ignore him.
> John, before I took over the brunt of the Senior Coordinator's responsibilities, I had to get certified.
And now we dont even keep you certified loonys with pathetic delusions in locked wards anymore.
> You are right, I should, and I will, ignore Rod's comments.
Bugger, does that mean I have to curl up and die all over again ?
> But he has no right to continue to read and reply to my posts when it is in a thread I start.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> I know I did not start this thread so it does not reply.
Try that again in english, I dont speak gabble.
> I just want him to know that I am no one to push around as I have a great deal of credibility and credentials on
> rec.gambling.poker,
Easy to claim. Hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> plus I was certified.
Your lunacy is your problem, child. Just dont rip up too much of the carpet.
> I can report him to the agency if he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed loony fantasys.
> He should not be surprised if suddenly his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to post to
> rec.gambling.poker.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed loony fantasys.
> Thank you for your advice, though, John. I may have been coordinating
> rec.gambling.poker for a few years now but I still have a lot to learn.
You did manage to get that bit right, presumably by accident.
Cant even manage a viable troll, or anything else at all, either.
FL Turbo
Hey Rod,
Is it true that you are 36 years old and live in your mother's
basement?
You can tell me.
I won't tell anyone else.
Trust me.
Lou
> Truth...@nospam.net wrote
>
>> Son
>
> I'm a lot older than you are thanks child.
>
>> we will fix republican wrecked economy when and if the fall comes.
>
> Nope. Even if we are stupid enough to see another great depression
> or worse, we will recover from that in precisely the same way that we
> did with the previous one, with a govt bailout and the system will
> eventually carry on regardless.
That's most emphatically not the way we recovered from the Great Depression.
All the programs and deficit spending of the New Deal helped a lot of people
and gave just about everyone hope for the future, but the national economy
stumbled along for years, now picking up a little, now dropping off a
little. What finally ended the depression was World War II.
If we see another depression, I hope we're smart enough to figure some way
out of it other than a world war.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Truth...@nospam.net wrote
>>> Son
>> I'm a lot older than you are thanks child.
>>> we will fix republican wrecked economy when and if the fall comes.
>> Nope. Even if we are stupid enough to see another great depression
>> or worse, we will recover from that in precisely the same way that we
>> did with the previous one, with a govt bailout and the system will
>> eventually carry on regardless.
> That's most emphatically not the way we recovered from the Great Depression.
Wrong in the most general sense.
> All the programs and deficit spending of the New Deal helped a lot of people
And so will the bailout, most obviously those who use credit every day.
> and gave just about everyone hope for the future,
And so will the bailout, most obviously those who use credit every day.
> but the national economy stumbled along for years, now picking up a little, now dropping off a little.
Yes, it would be much better to avoid a great depression in the first place.
> What finally ended the depression was World War II.
Its MUCH more complicated than that. Even Germany was doing fine economically in say 1938.
> If we see another depression, I hope we're smart enough to figure some way out of it other than a world war.
Yep, we've already figured out that the bailout is a much better approach and even
Congress will come to its senses on that if we do end up with another great depression.
Coffee's For Closers
paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net says...
> "John Weiss" <jrw...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:gc0pg1$1vh$2...@registered.motzarella.org...
> > "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote...
> >>
> >> Rod, I have already asked you not to reply to my posts. I have that
> >> right. Please don't reply to my posts, or I will report you.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there's nobody who can do anything about him. Ignore him.
> John, before I took over the brunt of the Senior Coordinator's
> responsibilities, I had to get certified. You are right, I should, and I
> will, ignore Rod's comments. But he has no right to continue to read and
> reply to my posts when it is in a thread I start.
Usenet is a public space. Claiming that Rod doesn't have a right
to read your posts in that public space, is silly. He also has a
privilege of replying, as long as his NNTP provider allows it.
> I know I did not start
> this thread so it does not reply. I just want him to know that I am no one
> to push around as I have a great deal of credibility and credentials on
> rec.gambling.poker, plus I was certified.
If that group isn't moderated, then there is nothing that you
personally/directly can do to prevent him from posting there.
And Rod seems immune to criticism, disagreement, or shunning.
Including by whole groups. He has made it clear that he doesn't
care about things like "credibility and credentials" (including
his own lack of them.)
> I can report him to the agency if
> he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth.
"The agency"? Do you mean his access provider? Or some other
sort of organisation with which you have special "credibility and
credentials"? Some kind of Usenet police? The cabal?
> He should not be surprised if suddenly
> his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to post
> to rec.gambling.poker.
I would be surprised if that happened, since there isn't any way
to cause that, without installing some kind of filter on his
actual computer. It cannot be done at his ISP, or anywhere else,
merely based on a complaint from you.
> Thank you for your advice, though, John. I may have been coordinating
> rec.gambling.poker for a few years now but I still have a lot to learn.
> Thanks.
If you want to dismiss Rod from your life, then the thing to
learn is how to use the killfile on your own newsreader. Some
are even able to filter on body text, so as to dump replies
mentioning his name.
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Coffee,
Paul Popinfresh is a usenet troll.
He's also a sockpuppet.
Do not waste your time trying to educate him.
Fucking with him is fine, of course.
Paul Popinjay
>
> Usenet is a public space. Claiming that Rod doesn't have a right
> to read your posts in that public space, is silly. He also has a
> privilege of replying, as long as his NNTP provider allows it.
>
Excuse me? Not if it is my post he doesn't! This is still America, and
there is such a thing as property rights. Have you ever heard of property
rights, Coffee? Obviously I cannot issue a blank demand that Rod never post
again, but I can certainly request, AND demand, that he does not read OR
reply to any of MY posts. I can also demand that he not even post in an
entire thread, if that thread was STARTED by me. Please don't try to tell
me what I can and cannot do with my own property, Coffee. Where do you get
off?
>
>
>> I can report him to the agency if
>> he doesn't watch his vulgar mouth.
>
>
> "The agency"? Do you mean his access provider? Or some other
> sort of organisation with which you have special "credibility and
> credentials"? Some kind of Usenet police? The cabal?
>
I didn't SAY his "access provider". Did I SAY his "access provider"? If I
had MEANT his "access provider" I would have SAID his "access provider".
I'm NOT stupid! Please do not talk down to me.
>
>> He should not be surprised if suddenly
>> his keyboard starts typing those little stars like ***** if he tries to
>> post
>> to rec.gambling.poker.
>
>
> I would be surprised if that happened, since there isn't any way
> to cause that, without installing some kind of filter on his
> actual computer. It cannot be done at his ISP, or anywhere else,
> merely based on a complaint from you.
>
I cannot help it if you would be surprised. I am not here just to try to
educate you internet n00bes. Learn on your own time. I'm a busy man, plus
I don't have the patience.
>
> If you want to dismiss Rod from your life, then the thing to
> learn is how to use the killfile on your own newsreader. Some
> are even able to filter on body text, so as to dump replies
> mentioning his name.
>
I don't killfile anyone. I have never killfiled anyone. I don't have to
killfile anyone if I ban them. If I ban Rod, then he cannot read or reply
to MY posts, but I can still read HIS posts. I would prefer to ban people
instead of killfiling them. And I have that right.
-best regards,
-Paul Popinjay
Paul Popinjay
news:d5VFk.720$yI6...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
Now STOP THAT! I am NOT a troll! And what's more, Beldin, you KNOW that!
I am perhaps one of the all-time most serious posters in all of
rec.gambling.poker's history. And that applies to both on-topic threads AND
off-topic threads. Please, Beldin, stop trying to get a rise out of me.
-Paul Popinjay
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:97YFk.3793$Ws1....@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beld...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:d5VFk.720$yI6...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> <snip>
>> Coffee,
>>
>> Paul Popinfresh is a usenet troll.
>> He's also a sockpuppet.
>> Do not waste your time trying to educate him.
>>
>> Fucking with him is fine, of course.
>>
>
> Now STOP THAT!
Why Paul!
You know you love it.
I am NOT a troll! And what's more, Beldin, you KNOW that!
Yessir, mr assistant RGP coordinator, sir.
> I am perhaps one of the all-time most serious posters in all of
> rec.gambling.poker's history.
Perhaps.
More likely not.
And that applies to both on-topic threads AND
> off-topic threads. Please, Beldin, stop trying to get a rise out of me.
I KNEW you wuz gay!