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Ron Clarey

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Oct 29, 2003, 12:40:55 PM10/29/03
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Does anyone know how to get rid of the stuff?
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Ron Clarey

Arri London

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Oct 29, 2003, 6:45:27 PM10/29/03
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Bleach or peroxide. Make certain the bathroom has good ventilation and
is otherwise kept very clean.

Lloyd Randall

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Oct 30, 2003, 3:40:52 AM10/30/03
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In article <TjghfsBnu$n$Ew...@Eskapa.com>, Ron Clarey <r...@Eskapa.com>
wrote:

> Does anyone know how to get rid of the stuff?

Household bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is the usual answer for killing
microbes and whitening the color. Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)
makes bleach easier on the skin and more effective on mold. I have
found that a paste of baking soda and bleach would remove mold that
plain bleach wouldn't.

The usual mixture is a teaspoon of baking soda and one or two teaspoons
of bleach in water, from a couple of ounces to a quart.

Borax is another approach. Water will dissolve 30 ml (2 tablespoons) of
borax per liter at 15 C, 40 ml at 20 C, and 49 ml (3 tablespoons) at 25
C. This mixture is pretty good for washing off mold, and if the surface
isn't exposed to a torrent of water, the risidual borax will discourage
future growth.

Borax is also good for emulsifying greasy soil. I keep a plastic bottle
with equal parts of borax and ammonia in water.

Borax in water also makes a frugal shampoo that won't sting your eyes.

Baking soda and borax are mined in America. Baking soda is on sale at
every grocery. Borax is almost as widely sold.

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Lloyd

Rose

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Oct 30, 2003, 8:07:12 AM10/30/03
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Lloyd Randall wrote:

Maybe that's so in the states but in the UK I've not been able to purchase
borax and baking soda is not exactly a cheap cleaning agent. Somerfield are
doing a good 2 for1 bargain on their own brand thick bleack this week and if
it's used neat
it bumps it off in no time.

Rose

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Oct 30, 2003, 9:32:36 AM10/30/03
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spam...@meadows.pair.com wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:07:12 GMT, Rose <ro...@spamfree.inv>
> wrote:
>
> >Maybe that's so in the states but in the UK I've not been able to purchase
> >borax and baking soda is not exactly a cheap cleaning agent. Somerfield are
> >doing a good 2 for1 bargain on their own brand thick bleack this week and if
> >it's used neat
> > it bumps it off in no time.
> >
>

> Borax can be purchased in regular hardware stores in the UK
> (according to my British husband). ???

Thanks Pat but it's a job to even find a hardware store these days!
the few surviving ones in my city that I've tried don't stock it and I've yet to
see it in a chemist or supermarket or at the open markets. Tonight I am shopping
at a big 'cash and carry' so I'll be looking out for it there.


Lloyd Randall

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Oct 30, 2003, 1:32:37 PM10/30/03
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In article <3FA10D17...@spamfree.inv>, Rose <ro...@spamfree.inv>
wrote:

> Lloyd Randall wrote:
>

>
> Maybe that's so in the states but in the UK I've not been able to purchase
> borax and baking soda is not exactly a cheap cleaning agent. Somerfield are
> doing a good 2 for1 bargain on their own brand thick bleack this week and if
> it's used neat
> it bumps it off in no time.
>
>

Too expensive? Buy it wholesale!
http://www.brunnermond.com/
http://www.cayley.co.uk/

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Best Regards,
Lloyd

Arri London

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Oct 30, 2003, 7:59:35 PM10/30/03
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Borax is also mined in other countries, not just US.
Baking soda isn't mined at all:
http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/industrialchem/inorganic/SODIUM%20BICARBONATE.htm

Arri London

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Oct 30, 2003, 8:03:43 PM10/30/03
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You might need to look in a DIY for borax. Can't think of a brand name.
Sugar soap will also remove mould.
If you get over to Ireland at all, 'bread soda' is baking soda and is
quite cheap, as well as coming in large bags.

Lloyd Randall

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Oct 31, 2003, 3:09:38 PM10/31/03
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In article <3FA1B3F7...@ic.ac.uk>, Arri London <bio...@ic.ac.uk>
wrote:

>
> Borax is also mined in other countries, not just US.

But it's not the same, is it? Twenty Mule Team is mostly Na2B4O7*10H2O
with about 36% B2O3. Ronald Reagan said it's the best!

I read it but didn't find the part where they say it's not mined at all.

In 1938 a wildcatter accidentally discovered a huge deposit of trona,
Na2CO3 * NaHCO3 * 2H2O, at Green River WY. That's where 9 million tons
of sodium carbonate annually comes from, 85% of American consumption.

They can get sodium bicarbonate from trona, but sodium bicarbonate is
also found as a pure mineral called nahcolite.

American Soda has a mine with 30 billion tons of nahcolite in Parachute
CO.

AmerAlia has nahcolite mines in White River CO and Rock School CO.

Because American consumption of sodium bicarbonate is only half a
million tons per year, most of it is converted into calcium carbonate.
That's how cheap it is to mine baking soda in the USA.

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Lloyd

Lloyd Randall

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Oct 31, 2003, 5:11:30 PM10/31/03
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In article <broth-D550E6....@corp-radius.supernews.com>,

Lloyd Randall <br...@eels.net> wrote:

>
> Because American consumption of sodium bicarbonate is only half a
> million tons per year, most of it is converted into calcium carbonate.

<bangs head on desk>
Did I say *that*? What an *idiot*!

Furthermore, it looks as if borax from the Andes, from Turkey, and from
Nepal is pretty much like good old Twenty Mule Team Borax.

How can I make it up to you? Your hundred-pound sack of baking soda is
in the mail. Please accept it with my compliments.

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Best Regards,
Lloyd

Arri London

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Oct 31, 2003, 7:14:09 PM10/31/03
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Lloyd Randall wrote:
>
> In article <3FA1B3F7...@ic.ac.uk>, Arri London <bio...@ic.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Borax is also mined in other countries, not just US.
>
> But it's not the same, is it? Twenty Mule Team is mostly Na2B4O7*10H2O
> with about 36% B2O3.

Various borates are converted into borax, so yes it is the same.

>Ronald Reagan said it's the best!

As though that could possibly be an sort of recommendation.


>
> > Baking soda isn't mined at all:
> > http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/industrialchem/inorganic/SODIUM%20BICAR
> > BONATE.htm
>
> I read it but didn't find the part where they say it's not mined at all.

Why would such a publication state specifically something *isn't* mined,
when how it is produced is spelt out? Pick some other chemical and read
the entry to see how it works.


> In 1938 a wildcatter accidentally discovered a huge deposit of trona,
> Na2CO3 * NaHCO3 * 2H2O, at Green River WY. That's where 9 million tons
> of sodium carbonate annually comes from, 85% of American consumption.
>
> They can get sodium bicarbonate from trona, but sodium bicarbonate is
> also found as a pure mineral called nahcolite.

That's true. I've seen collector's specimens.


>
> American Soda has a mine with 30 billion tons of nahcolite in Parachute
> CO.
>
> AmerAlia has nahcolite mines in White River CO and Rock School CO.
>
> Because American consumption of sodium bicarbonate is only half a
> million tons per year, most of it is converted into calcium carbonate.
> That's how cheap it is to mine baking soda in the USA.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Lloyd

I stand partially corrected. Mining exists but isn't the major source of
sodium bicarbonate in the US.

Arri London

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Oct 31, 2003, 7:14:58 PM10/31/03
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ROTFL! Glad you corrected yourself.
Once cleaned up, borax is borax.

Lloyd Randall

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Oct 31, 2003, 8:52:19 PM10/31/03
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In article <3FA2FAD1...@ic.ac.uk>, Arri London <bio...@ic.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Lloyd Randall wrote:
> >
> >
> > I read it but didn't find the part where they say it's not mined at all.
>
> Why would such a publication state specifically something *isn't* mined,
> when how it is produced is spelt out?

If I found a site that showed how a house is heated with oil, would that
mean no other fuel is used?

>
>
> > In 1938 a wildcatter accidentally discovered a huge deposit of trona,
> > Na2CO3 * NaHCO3 * 2H2O, at Green River WY. That's where 9 million tons
> > of sodium carbonate annually comes from, 85% of American consumption.
> >
> > They can get sodium bicarbonate from trona, but sodium bicarbonate is
> > also found as a pure mineral called nahcolite.
>
> That's true. I've seen collector's specimens.
>

There is nahcolite at Green River, but they didn't know it in 1938.
Nahcolite was first identified in 1940 at Searles Lake CA. The huge
Colorado desposit was discovered in the 1950s.

>
> >
> > American Soda has a mine with 30 billion tons of nahcolite in Parachute
> > CO.
> >
> > AmerAlia has nahcolite mines in White River CO and Rock School CO.
> >
> > Because American consumption of sodium bicarbonate is only half a
> > million tons per year, most of it is converted into calcium carbonate.
> > That's how cheap it is to mine baking soda in the USA.
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards,
> > Lloyd
>
> I stand partially corrected. Mining exists but isn't the major source of
> sodium bicarbonate in the US.

It's a modern revolution.

A single Colorado mine produces three times more baking soda than
America's consumption. It's also mined in California, Wyoming, and five
areas in Utah.

It is mined in Canada, Germany, Kenya, Sweden, Italy, Greenland, and
Russia.

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Best Regards,
Lloyd

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