For Non-Muslims
نسمة ايمان
Islam is the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God). The
name Allah (God) in Islam never refers to Muhammad (pbuh), as many
Christians may think; Allah is the personal name of God.
What do Muslims believe about Allah?
1. He is the one God, Who has no partner.
2. Nothing is like Him. He is the Creator, not created, nor a part of
His creation.
3. He is All-Powerful, absolutely Just.
4. There is no other entity in the entire universe worthy of worship
besides Him.
5. He is First, Last, and Everlasting; He was when nothing was, and
will be when nothing else remains.
6. He is the All-Knowing, and All-Merciful,the Supreme, the Sovereign.
7. It is only He Who is capable of granting life to anything.
8. He sent His Messengers (peace be upon them) to guide all of
mankind.
9. He sent Muhammad (pbuh) as the last Prophet and Messenger for all
mankind.
10. His book is the Holy Qur'an, the only authentic revealed book in
the world that has been kept without change.
11. Allah knows what is in our hearts.
These are some of the basic guidelines Muslims follow in their
knowledge of God:
1. Eliminate any anthropomorphism (human qualities) from their
conception of Allah. His attributes are not like human attributes,
despite similar labels or appellations.
2. Have unwavering faith in exactly what Allah and Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) described Allah to be, no more, no less.
3. Eradicate any hope or desire of learning or knowing the modality of
His names and attributes.
4. Belief totally in all the names and attributes of Allah; one cannot
believe in some and disbelieve the others.
5. One cannot accept the names of Allah without their associated
attributes, i.e. one cannot say He is Al-Hayy - 'The Living' and then
say that He is without life.
6. Similarity in names (or meanings) does not imply similarity in what
is being described (referents). As a robotic arm differs from a human
arm, so the "hand" of Allah is nothing like a human hand, His speech
is nothing like human speech, etc.
7. Certain words are ambiguous or vague in their meanings, and thus
may be susceptible to misinterpretation. Only those meanings that are
in accordance with what is specified by Allah and His Prophet (pbuh)
are acceptable.
Cleanliness
Islam places great emphasis on cleanliness, in both its physical and
spiritual aspects. On the physical side, Islam requires the Muslim to
clean his body, his clothes, his house, and the whole community, and
he is rewarded by God for doing so. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, for
example:
"Removing any harm from the road is charity (that will be rewarded by
Allah)." [Bukhari]
While people generally consider cleanliness a desirable attribute,
Islam insists on it , making it an indispensible fundamental of the
faith. A muslim is required to to be pure morally and spiritually as
well as physically. Through the Qur'an and Sunnah Islam requires the
sincere believer to sanitize and purify his entire way of life.
In the Qur'an Allah commends those who are accustomed to cleanliness:
"Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who
keep themselves pure and clean." [2: 22]
In Islam the Arabic term for purity is Taharah. Books of Islamic
jurisprudence often contain an entire chapter with Taharah as a
heading.
Allah orders the believer to be tidy in appearance:
"Keep your clothes clean." [74:4]
The Qur'an insists that the believer maintain a constant state of
purity:
"Believers! When you prepare for prayer wash your faces, and your
hands (and arms) to the elbows; rub your heads (with water) and (wash)
your feet up to the ankles. If you are ritually impure bathe your
whole body." [5: 6]
Ritual impurity refers to that resulting from sexual release,
menstruation and the first forty days after childbirth. Muslims also
use water, not paper or anything else to after eliminating body
wastes.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) advised the Muslims to appear neat and tidy in
private and in public. Once when returning home from battle he advised
his army:
"You are soon going to meet your brothers, so tidy your saddles and
clothes. Be distinguished in the eyes of the people." [Abu Dawud]
On another occasion he said:
"Don't ever come with your hair and beard disheveled like a
devil." [Al-Tirmidhi]
And on another:
"Had I not been afraid of overburdening my community, I would have
ordered them to brush their teeth for every prayer." [Bukhari]
Moral hygeine was not ignored, either, for the Prophet (pbuh)
encouraged the muslims to make a special prayer upon seeing themselves
in the mirror:
"Allah, You have endowed me with a good form; likewise bless me with
an immaculate character and forbid my face from touching the
Hellfire." [Ahmad]
And modesty in dress, for men as well as for women, assists one in
maintaining purity of thought.
Being charitable is a way of purifying one's wealth. A Muslim who does
not give charity (Sadaqah) and pay the required annual Zakah, the 2.5%
alms-tax, has in effect contaminated his wealth by hoarding that which
rightfully belongs to others:
"Of their wealth take alms so that you may purify and sanctify
them." [9: 103]
All the laws and injunctions given by Allah and His Prophet (pbuh) are
pure; on the other hand, man-made laws suffer from the impurities of
human bias and other imperfections. Thus any formal law can only be
truly just when it is purified by divine guidance - as elucidated by
the Qur'an and the Sunnah - or if it is divinely ordained to begin
with - the Shari'ah.
Muslims Contribution To Science
Astronomy
Muslims have always had a special interest in astronomy. The moon and
the sun are of vital importance in the daily life of every Muslim. By
the moon, Muslims determine the beginning and the end of the months in
their lunar calendar. By the sun the Muslims calculate the times for
prayer and fasting. It is also by means of astronomy that Muslims can
determine the precise direction of the Qiblah, to face the Ka'bah in
Makkah, during prayer. The most precise solar calendar, superior to
the Julian, is the Jilali, devised under the supervision of Umar
Khayyam.
The Qur'an contains many references to astronomy.
"The heavens and the earth were ordered rightly, and were made
subservient to man, including the sun, the moon, the stars, and day
and night. Every heavenly body moves in an orbit assigned to it by God
and never digresses, making the universe an orderly cosmos whose life
and existence, diminution and expansion, are totally determined by the
Creator." [Qur'an 30:22]
These references, and the injunctions to learn, inspired the early
Muslim scholars to study the heavens. They integrated the earlier
works of the Indians, Persians and Greeks into a new synthesis.
Ptolemy's Almagest (the title as we know it is Arabic) was translated,
studied and criticized. Many new stars were discovered, as we see in
their Arabic names - Algol, Deneb, Betelgeuse, Rigel, Aldebaran.
Astronomical tables were compiled, among them the Toledan tables,
which were used by Copernicus, Tycho Brahe and Kepler. Also compiled
were almanacs - another Arabic term. Other terms from Arabic are
zenith, nadir, albedo, azimuth.
Muslim astronomers were the first to establish observatories, like the
one built at Mugharah by Hulagu, the son of Genghis Khan, in Persia,
and they invented instruments such as the quadrant and astrolabe,
which led to advances not only in astronomy but in oceanic navigation,
contributing to the European age of exploration.
Geography
Muslim scholars paid great attention to geography. In fact, the
Muslims' great concern for geography originated with their religion.
The Qur'an encourages people to travel throughout the earth to see
God's signs and patterns everywhere. Islam also requires each Muslim
to have at least enough knowledge of geography to know the direction
of the Qiblah (the position of the Ka'bah in Makkah) in order to pray
five times a day. Muslims were also used to taking long journeys to
conduct trade as well as to make the Hajj and spread their religion.
The far-flung Islamic empire enabled scholar-explorers to compile
large amounts of geographical and climatic information from the
Atlantic to the Pacific.
Among the most famous names in the field of geography, even in the
West, are Ibn Khaldun and Ibn Batuta, renowned for their written
accounts of their extensive explorations.
In 1166, Al-Idrisi, the well-known Muslim scholar who served the
Sicilian court, produced very accurate maps, including a world map
with all the continents and their mountains, rivers and famous cities.
Al-Muqdishi was the first geographer to produce accurate maps in
color.
It was, moreover, with the help of Muslim navigators and their
inventions that Magellan was able to traverse the Cape of Good Hope,
and Da Gama and Columbus had Muslim navigators on board their ships.
Humanity
Seeking knowledge is obligatory in Islam for every Muslim, man and
woman. The main sources of Islam, the Qur'an and the Sunnah (Prophet
Muhammad's traditions), encourage Muslims to seek knowledge and be
scholars, since this is the best way for people to know Allah (God),
to appreciate His wondrous creations and be thankful for them. Muslims
were therefore eager to seek knowledge, both religious and secular,
and within a few years of Muhammad's mission, a great civilization
sprang up and flourished. The outcome is shown in the spread of
Islamic universities; Al-Zaytunah in Tunis, and Al-Azhar in Cairo go
back more than 1,000 years and are the oldest existing universities in
the world. Indeed, they were the models for the first European
universities, such as Bologna, Heidelberg, and the Sorbonne. Even the
familiar academic cap and gown originated at Al-Azhar University.
Muslims made great advances in many different fields, such as
geography, physics, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, pharmacology,
architecture, linguistics and astronomy. Algebra and the Arabic
numerals were introduced to the world by Muslim scholars. The
astrolabe, the quadrant, and other navigational devices and maps were
developed by Muslim scholars and played an important role in world
progress, most notably in Europe's age of exploration.
Muslim scholars studied the ancient civilations from Greece and Rome
to China and India. The works of Aristotle, Ptolemy, Euclid and others
were translated into Arabic. Muslim scholars and scientists then added
their own creative ideas, discoveries and inventions, and finally
transmitted this new knowledge to Europe, leading directly to the
Rennaissance. Many scientific and medical treatises, having been
translated into Latin, were standard text and reference books as late
as the 17th and 18th centuries.
Mathematics
It is interesting to note that Islam so strongly urges mankind to
study and explore the universe. For example, the Holy Qur'an states:
"We (Allah) will show you (mankind) Our signs/patterns in the horizons/
universe and in yourselves until you are convinced that the revelation
is the truth." [Qur'an, 14:53]
This invitation to explore and search made Muslims interested in
astronomy, mathematics, chemistry, and the other sciences, and they
had a very clear and firm understanding of the correspondences among
geometry, mathematics, and astronomy.
The Muslims invented the symbol for zero (The word "cipher" comes from
Arabic sifr), and they organized the numbers into the decimal system -
base 10. Additionally, they invented the symbol to express an unkown
quantity, i.e. variables like x.
The first great Muslim mathematician, Al-Khawarizmi, invented the
subject of algebra (al-Jabr), which was further developed by others,
most notably Umar Khayyam. Al-Khawarizmi's work, in Latin translation,
brought the Arabic numerals along with the mathematics to Europe,
through Spain. The word "algorithm" is derived from his name.
Muslim mathematicians excelled also in geometry, as can be seen in
their graphic arts, and it was the great Al-Biruni (who excelled also
in the fields of natural history, even geology and mineralogy) who
established trigonometry as a distinct branch of mathematics. Other
Muslim mathematicians made significant progress in number theory.
Medicine
In Islam, the human body is a source of appreciation, as it is created
by Almighty Allah (God). How it functions, how to keep it clean and
safe, how to prevent diseases from attacking it or cure those
diseases, have been important issues for Muslims.
Prophet Muhammad himself urged people to "take medicines for your
diseases", as people at that time were reluctant to do so. He also
said,
"God created no illness, but established for it a cure, except for old
age. When the antidote is applied, the patient will recover with the
permission of God."
This was strong motivation to encourage Muslim scientists to explore,
develop, and apply empirical laws. Much attention was given to
medicine and public health care. The first hospital was built in
Baghdad in 706 AC. The Muslims also used camel caravans as mobile
hospitals, which moved from place to place.
Since the religion did not forbid it, Muslim scholars used human
cadavers to study anatomy and physiology and to help their students
understand how the body functions. This empirical study enabled
surgery to develop very quickly.
Al-Razi, known in the West as Rhazes, the famous physician and
scientist, (d. 932) was one of the greatest physicians in the world in
the Middle Ages. He stressed empirical observation and clinical
medicine and was inrivalled as a diagnostician. He also wrote a
treatise on hygeine in hospitals. Khalaf Abul-Qasim Al-Zahrawi was a
very famous surgeon in the eleventh century, known in Europe for his
work, Concessio (Kitab al-Tasrif).
Ibn Sina (d. 1037), better known to the West as Avicenna, was perhaps
the greatest physician until the modern era. His famous book, Al-Qanun
fi al-Tibb, remained a standard textbook even in Europe, for over 700
years. Ibn Sina's work is still studied and built upon in the East.
Other significant contributions were made in pharmacology, such as Ibn
Sina's Kitab al-Shifa' (Book of Healing), and in public health. Every
major city in the Islamic world had a number of excellent hospitals,
some of them teaching hospitals, and many of them were specialized for
particular diseases, including mental and emotional. The Ottomans were
particularly noted for their building of hospitals and for the high
level of hygeine practiced in them.
Definition
The word ISLAM has a two-fold meaning: peace, and submission to God.
This submission requires a fully conscious and willing effort to
submit to the one Almighty God. One must consciously and
conscientiously give oneself to the service of Allah. This means to
act on what Allah enjoins all of us to do (in the Qur'an) and what His
beloved Prophet, Muhammad (pbuh) encouraged us to do in his Sunnah
(his lifestyle and sayings personifying the Qur'an).
Once we humble ourselves, rid ourselves of our egoism and submit
totally to Allah, and to Him exclusively, in faith and in action, we
will surely feel peace in our hearts. Establishing peace in our hearts
will bring about peace in our external conduct as well.
Islam is careful to remind us that it not a religion to be paid mere
lip service; rather it is an all-encompassing way of life that must be
practiced continuously for it to be Islam. The Muslim must practice
the five pillars of the religion: the declaration of faith in the
oneness of Allah and the prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh), prayer,
fasting the month of Ramadan, alms-tax, and the pilgrimage to Makkah;
and believe in the six articles of faith: belief in God, the Holy
Books, the prophets, the angels, the Day of Judgment and God's decree,
whether for good or ill.
There are other injunctions and commandments which concern virtually
all facets of one's personal, family and civic life. These include
such matters as diet, clothing, personal hygeine, interpersonal
relations, business ethics, responsibilities towards parents, spouse
and children, marriage, divorce and inheritance, civil and criminal
law, fighting in defense of Islam, relations with non-Muslims, and so
much more.
Human Rights
Islam has been from its inception very concerned with issues of human
rights. Privacy, freedom, dignity and equality are guaranteed in
Islam. The holy Qur'an states clearly:
"There is no compulsion in religion."
And there are no reliable reports to confirm the old accusations that
when the Muslim armies were expanding into Asia, Africa and Europe the
people were put to the sword if they failed to convert to Islam. The
best proof is that not only did the Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and
Hindus in those areas not perish or otherwise disappear, they actually
flourished as protected minority communities, and many individuals
rose to prominent positions in the arts, sciences, even in government.
The lives,property and privacy of all citizens in an Islamic state are
considered sacred, whether or not the person is Muslim. Non-Muslims
have freedom of worship and the practice of their religions, including
their own family law and religious courts. They are obliged to pay a
different tax (Jizyah) instead of the Zakah, and the state is
obligated to provide both protection and government services. Before
the modern era it was extremely rare to find a state or government
anywhere in the world that was as solicitous of its minorities and
their civil rights as the Islamic states.
In no other religion did women receive such a degree of legal and
moral equality and personal respect. Moreover, racism and tribalism
are incompatible with Islam, for the Qur'an speaks of human equality
in the following terms:
"Mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made
you into nations and tribes, that you may come to know one another.
Truly, the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you
in piety."
Jesus
Islam honors all the prophets who were sent to mankind. Muslims
respect all prophets in general, but Jesus in particular, because he
was one of the prophets who foretold the coming of Muhammad. Muslims,
too, await the second coming of Jesus. They consider him one of the
greatest of Allah's prophets to mankind. A Muslim does not refer to
him simply as "Jesus," but normally adds the phrase "peace be upon
him" as a sign of respect.
No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam
does. The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Qur'an is
entitled "Mary"), and Mary is considered to have been one of the
purest women in all creation. The Qur'an describes Jesus' birth as
follows:
"Behold!' the Angel said, God has chosen you, and purified you, and
chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, God gives you good
news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those
brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and
in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: "My Lord! How
shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: "Even so; God
creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be!'
and it is." [3:42-47]
Muslims believe that Jesus was born immaculately, and through the same
power which had brought Eve to life and Adam into being without a
father or a mother.
"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He
created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [3:59]
During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. The
Qur'an tells us that he said:
"I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of
clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it
becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers,
and I raise the dead by God's leave." [3:49]
Muhammad and Jesus, as well as the other prophets, were sent to
confirm the belief in one God. This is referred to in the Qur'an where
Jesus is reported as saying that he came:
"To attest the law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part
of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your
Lord, so fear God and obey me." [3:50]
Prophet Muhammad emphasized the importance of Jesus by saying:
"Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner,
that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger
of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him,
and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into
Heaven." [Bukhari]
Knowledge
Islam urges people to read and learn on every occasion. The verses of
the Qur'an command, advise, warn, and encourage people to observe the
phenomena of nature, the succession of day and night, the movements of
stars, the sun, moon, and other heavenly bodies. Muslims are urged to
look into everything in the universe, to travel, investigate, explore
and understand them, the better to appreciate and be thankful for all
the wonders and beauty of God's creations. The first revelation to
Muhammad showed how much Islam cares about knowledge.
"Read, in the name of your Lord, Who created..." [96:1]
Learning is obligatory for both men and women. Moreover, education is
not restricted to religious issues; it includes all fields of
knowledge, including biology, physics, and technology. Scholars have
the highest status in Islam, second only to that accorded to prophets.
Almost from the very beginnings of the Islamic state Muslims began to
study and to master a number of fields of so-called secular learning,
beginning with linguistics and architecture, but very quickly
extending to mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, medicine,
chemistry and philosophy. They translated and synthesized the known
works of the ancient world, from Greece, Persia, India, even China.
Before long they were criticizing, improving and expanding on that
knowledge. Centuries before the European Rennaissance there were
Muslim ³Rennaissance² men, men who were simultaneously explorers,
scientists, philosophers, physicians and poets, like Ibn Sina
(Avicenna), Umar Khayyam, and others.
Main Pillars
Shahadah
The first pillar of Islam is that a Muslim believe and declare his
faith by saying the Shahadah (lit. 'witness'), also known as the
Kalimah:
La ilaha ila Allah; Muhammadur-rasul Allah. 'There is no god but
Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.'
This declaration contains two parts. The first part refers to God
Almighty, the Creator of everything, the Lord of the Worlds; the
second part refers to the Messenger, Muhammad (pbuh) a prophet and a
human being, who received the revelation through the Archangel
Gabriel, and taught it to mankind.
By sincerely uttering the Shahadah the Muslim acknowledges Allah as
the sole Creator of all, and the Supreme Authority over everything and
everyone in the universe. Consequently the Muslim closes his/her heart
and mind to loyalty, devotion and obedience to, trust in, reliance on,
and worship of anything or anyone other than Allah. This rejection is
not confined merely to pagan gods and goddesses of wood and stone and
created by human hands and imaginations; this rejection must extend to
all other conceptions, superstitions, ideologies, ways of life, and
authority figures that claim supreme devotion, loyalty, trust, love,
obedience or worship. This entails, for example, the rejection of
belief in such common things as astrology, palm reading, good luck
charms, fortune-telling and psychic readings, in addition to praying
at shrines or graves of "saints", asking the dead souls to intercede
for them with Allah. There are no intercessors in Islam, nor any class
of clergy as such; a Muslim prays directly and exclusively to Allah.
Belief in the prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh) entails belief in the
guidance brought by him and contained in his Sunnah (traditions of his
sayings and actions), and demands of the Muslim the intention to
follow his guidance faithfully. Muhammad (pbuh) was also a human
being, a man with feelings and emotions, who ate, drank and slept, and
was born and died, like other men. He had a pure and upright nature,
extraordinary righteousness, and an unwavering faith in Allah and
commitment to Islam, but he was not divine. Muslims do not pray to
him, not even as an intercessor, and Muslims abhor the terms
"Mohamedan" and "Mohamedanism".
Salah
Prayer (Salah), in the sense of worship, is the second pillar of
Islam. Prayer is obligatory and must be performed five times a day.
These five times are dawn (Fajr), immediately after noon (Dhuhr), mid-
afternoon ('Asr), sunset (Maghrib), and early night (Isha'). Ritual
cleanliness and ablution are required before prayer, as are clean
clothes and location, and the removal of shoes. One may pray
individually or communally, at home, outside, virtually any clean
place, as well as in a mosque, though the latter is preferred. Special
is the Friday noon prayer, called Jum'ah. It, too, is obligatory and
is to be done in a mosque, in congregation. It is accompanied by a
sermon (Khutbah), and it replaces the normal Dhuhr prayer.
There is no hierarchical clerical authority in Islam, no priests or
ministers. Prayers are led by any learned person who knows the Qur'an
and is chosen by the congregation. He (or she, if the congregation is
all women) is called the imam. There is also no minimum number of
congregants required to hold communal prayers. Prayer consists of
verses from the Qur'an and other prayers, accompanied by various
bodily postures - standing, bowing, prostrating and sitting. They are
said in Arabic, the language of the revelation, though personal
supplications (Du'ah) can be offered in one's own language.
Worshippers face the Qiblah, the direction of the Ka'bah in the city
of Makkah.
The significance of prayer lies in one's maintaining a continuous link
to God five times a day, which helps the worshipper avoid misdeeds if
he/she performs the prayers sincerely. In addition it promotes
discipline, God-consciousness and placing one's trust in Allah alone,
and the importance of striving for the Hereafter. When performed in
congregation it also provides a strong sense of community, equality
and brotherhood/sisterhood.
spack
@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
> Allah (God)
>
<tedious bollocks snipped>
Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
delusions, I'll ask.
Lookout
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Lookout2.0
Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are on
your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am not
going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
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Tralfamador
Why do we want to leap in and denounce theist diatribes. Why should we cut
in between a group of theists and confront them with our rational, atheistic
logic? Many times we are confronted with a plaintive "Why can't we agree to
disagree and respect each others points of view?" I will try to explain my
own personal stance here. Enough is enough! It's time to draw that line in
the sand.
For too long, for millennia, since man first started to form societies we
have had our view of the universe tainted with religion. To say that theists
have had a fair crack at the whip would be understatement in the extreme.
Theistic dogma has caused more misery, more wars, more suppression and held
back the discovery of the universe we inhabit than any other invention.
From the indoctrination of generations of innocent, inquiring children in
the home, through schools and their mandatory acts of worship of fictitious,
vengeful gods, the foul distortions introduced by the likes of the Dover
School Board, the theft of a woman's right to control of her own body, the
intrusion of a false morality upon our daily lives and the stifling of
science.
All these things must stop! It is no longer a matter of respect, of
tolerance or of agreeing to disagree. The stakes are far too high. No! You
cannot blow people up in the name of your mythical being. No! You cannot
kill doctors who choose to help women regain control of their lives. No! You
cannot divert money that should be healing the sick to spend on your
costumes and buildings. No! You cannot tell me how to think anymore. No! You
cannot claim that your damn stupid, lame, small minded little creation myth
has equal value to Darwin's evolution and modern cosmology.
The time has come to leave the nursery, cast off these childish, dangerous
stories and grow the fuck up! Religion has sapped enough of mans resources.
Time, money, effort, emotion and whole damned races have been swallowed up
by these deluded zealots.
Every theist that EVER went into battle always had a god on their side.
Every poor sap who worked till they dropped was promised their reward after
their death. The crippled, the sick, the outcast and the insane have turned
to religion and been rewarded with nothing except vacuous empty promises.
It's time to stop the madness. It's time to confront this awful cancer, this
creeping, insidious lie. It's time to free humanity from the shackles of the
past. from the guilt. from the original sin. from the inferiority. It's time
to stop the killing. The gang mentality. Them and us. The threats of heaven,
the lure of hell, the hell of the faithful.
Theists, you've had your chance. You've had millennia of chances. Look at
the planet now. Is it better for religion or does the worlds major human
conflicts have their very basis in religion. Theism is a mind numbing death
shroud for humanity. It can not be allowed to continue. We have to stop
lying to our children. To ourselves.
This is why I leap in and denounce theists wherever I find them. If I upset
a few simpletons who cannot think outside their late bronze age shackles
then so be it. But your not going to poison this race forever. If you
theists have your way you will be the end as you always predicted. Self
fulfilling prophecy.
I will do my level best to rid my race of this handicap. The future of man
lies in the stars. Our Earth is finite, eventually our sun will leave the
main sequence and go red giant. If we're not out of here by then we, as a
race. are doomed. It is science that is our route to our true home in the
universe. You can't pray your way out of this one.
T
AC
"Lookout2.0" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Lookout wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>
>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>
>> snicker
>
> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are on
> your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am not
> going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>
There is no God, heaven or hell. When you die you rot and become worm food.
Make the best of the life you have right now, because that all you're gonna
get.
And if Im wrong, God will forgive you.
AC
Lookout
Do you think I care? I am only here for one thing. Can you figure it out?
Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller
Hatred? Laughter?
Lookout
wrote:
>In article <1206881...@pronews.com>,
> "Lookout2.0" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Lookout wrote:
>> > On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>> >> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>> >>> Allah (God)
>> >>>
>> >> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>> >> delusions, I'll ask.
>> >
>> > snicker
>>
>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are on
>> your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am not
>> going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>
>Proof?
I have the idiot filtered so I didn't see his comment.
Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
Lookout
wrote:
I do it because no one else in there world does. It completely baffles
them when someone questions their fairy tale. It's fun watching them
pull their hair out when you say "prove it" and they can't. And then
they think when they tell you you are going to hell it actually means
something to you! That always kills me. I love going on local talk
radio and fucking with the local baptist preachers. By the time I'm
through with them they're insane with hatred for me...which I then
point out is very unchristian like....just to piss them off on the way
out the door.
Lookout
Theism 101.
Lookout
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:31:46 -0400, Shawn Hirn <sr...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <1206881...@pronews.com>,
>> "Lookout2.0" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>>
>>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>>> snicker
>>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are on
>>> your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am not
>>> going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>> Proof?
>
> I have the idiot filtered so I didn't see his comment.
> Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
> just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
You have yourself filtered. I don't think so there pal. Why don't you
whine to Supernews?
Lookout
The dumbest people watch the most TV....they're easy targets for this
shit.
Meng
> Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
> just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
That's because they usually fall back on the "if you have faith you
don't need proof" explanation which is the biggest load of cop-out BS
ever.
Lookout
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:47:03 GMT, "AC" <xx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> "Lookout2.0" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1206881...@pronews.com...
>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>>
>>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>>> snicker
>>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are on
>>> your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am not
>>> going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>>>
>> There is no God, heaven or hell. When you die you rot and become worm food.
>>
>> Make the best of the life you have right now, because that all you're gonna
>> get.
>>
>> And if Im wrong, God will forgive you.
>>
>> AC
>>
> Theism 101.
Old Lookout is a ambulance chaser. If there is any sign of trouble, he
will chase it. He has been on a race thing lately, because he is a pure
racist.
Tralfamador
Lookout...
Shared Philosophy is Shared... except for the "God will forgive you..." bit.
T
Tralfamador
because he is a
> pure
> racist.
>
And the racism thing... Bad idea is bad IMHO.
John Holmes
> Al <snip>
Fuck off and die. After you have visited www.adultsheepfinder.com, that is.
--
May 3 eccentric dogs urinate in front of your Aunt.
Markku Grönroos
"Meng" <nos...@fnarg.co.uk> kirjoitti
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Lookout69
Lookout can run but he can't hide. He has tried everything to stop me.
He can't do it. He doesn't own Unset like he thinks he does. ;-)
Lookout96
>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>
>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>> snicker
>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are on
>> your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am not
>> going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>
Prove what? I am not here to prove anything, other than, Lookout is pure
trash, he should get off of Unset, and go back to driving his bus, the
x-Army Spec4 transportation grease monkey that got out in 1984.
Lookout
wrote:
Check the headers. The "lookout' the posted that is from Usenetserver,
just a lonely troll using my nick.
Lookout
Agreed.
When I first found the Internet there were very few vocal
non-believers. Now we're all over the place. It was pretty lonely out
here for a while.
Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller
"Tralfamador" <Tr...@freeserve.net> wrote in message
news:yPMHj.26395$jH5....@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> spack wrote:
>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>> Allah (God)
>>>
>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>
>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>> delusions, I'll ask.
>
> Why do we want to leap in and denounce theist diatribes. Why should we cut
> in between a group of theists and confront them with our rational,
> atheistic
> logic? Many times we are confronted with a plaintive "Why can't we agree
> to
> disagree and respect each others points of view?" I will try to explain my
> own personal stance here. Enough is enough! It's time to draw that line in
> the sand.
Calm down! Novody ever listens to these racist scum anyway!
philo
"???? ?????" <olaa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19dd678b-48e6-4200...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Allah (God)
Islam is the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God). The
name Allah (God) in Islam never refers to Muhammad (pbuh), as many
Christians may think; Allah is the personal name of God.
<SNIP>
Here is what my father said:
"If your religion makes you a better person, then I'm all for it."
I agree.
One other thing though:
Religion is like sex. Better to keep it private.
Markku Grönroos
Lookout96
The transportation grease monkey is stupid. ;-)
Logan Shaw
> Do you think I care? I am only here for one thing. Can you figure it out?
Well, given the contents of the Newsgroups: line, that'd be either
(a) helpdesk support
(b) something about Scientology
(c) travel in Europe
(d) living on the cheap
or
(e) Television in the UK
Given that your moniker is "lookout", which could suggest mild paranoia
and a keen desire to constantly remain aware of what might lie in wait
ready to trap you in some way, I'm going to guess (a) helpdesk, but I
could be wrong.
Then again, I guess you could be a Scientologist helpdesk employee who
plans to vacation in Europe but doesn't have a big budget and so plans to
spend his time there mostly watching television.
- Logan
Lookout96
That's right you tell him. ;-)
Markku Grönroos
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Fred Kasner
> spack wrote:
>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>> Allah (God)
>>>
>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>
>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>> delusions, I'll ask.
>
> Why do we want to leap in and denounce theist diatribes. Why should we cut
> in between a group of theists and confront them with our rational, atheistic
> logic? Many times we are confronted with a plaintive "Why can't we agree to
> disagree and respect each others points of view?" I will try to explain my
> own personal stance here. Enough is enough! It's time to draw that line in
> the sand.
>
Red giant? When? about a few billion years from now. The likelyhood that
something resembling "man" still exists by then? Near zero. We will
likely somewhere along that path be eradicated by some other natural
disaster. A couple of a billion years is a very long time indeed and
long before that time we had better find another home or we will die here.
And for your amusement consider the proper question of the theists is
"What preceded the big bang and what caused the actual conditions that
created a bing bang possibility? And why not a god that created all and
then lost interest in the result> First principles are as questionable
in science as theology. Perhaps you had better get used to the idea of
an unknowable and stop thinking that the logic of science is free of
illogical first assumptions as is religion.
FK
Fred Kasner
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:31:46 -0400, Shawn Hirn <sr...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <1206881...@pronews.com>,
>> "Lookout2.0" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>>
>>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>>> snicker
>>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are on
>>> your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am not
>>> going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>> Proof?
>
> I have the idiot filtered so I didn't see his comment.
> Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
> just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
And there are no fairy tales in the first principles of science?
FK
catchme
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>> Allah (God)
>>>
>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>
>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>> delusions, I'll ask.
>
> snicker
why must an atheist reply to every single religious post?
do you peek in churches and synagogues also and pronounce your (lack of)
faith?
"hay peeps; i have no belief!"
;-)
Fred Kasner
First principles are always an act of faith. Why faith? Because it is
most convenient and avoids the prior conditions questions. Pleading
ignorance about the first principles levels all organized approaches to
the same inability to prove anything.
FK
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catchme
many nations' governments have USED the name of religion to suit their
own needs, calling the Faithful to do their bidding for them....
the only plausible exception to this were the Crusades, which was the
result of the Catholic Church garnering too much power over the Kingdoms
(after their succesful Conversions of Pagan Kings and their people to
Christianity, it was easy to threaten to excommunicate a ruler and thus
control the fears of the clergy...)
But before the Catholic Church, there was yet an older Church that
Christ himself railed against for the requirement of paying for ones
sins in gold....
Catholicism is evil- simply put.
the rest of religion? Nothing wrong with Jews- but dont confuse them
with Isrealites...one is a religion, the other an expansionist political
machine.
Islam? the religion is sound- they are brothers to Jews (but not
necesarily Isreal), but some leaders use their religion to gather
support to overthrow foreign influence in their own lands (Americans
would do the same, calling on "Good Christians" should Russia occupy
United States territory....)
Is religion absolutely responsible for everything?
How does International politics play in?
the US aggressive stance all over the world, threatening elected
governments in unstable countries with civil war and replacing them with
dictators friendly to Washington?
Nay, look to your own leaders- the very Constitution is writ by traitors
of the British Empire, and the United States was accomplished by treason.
the Confederate Army committed terrorism into Canada....these were all
political acts.
catchme
> AC wrote:
>> "Lookout2.0" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1206881...@pronews.com...
>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>>
>>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other
>>>>> mass delusions, I'll ask.
>>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are
>>> on your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am
>>> not going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> food.
>>
>> Make the best of the life you have right now, because that all you're
>> gonna get.
>>
>> And if Im wrong, God will forgive you.
>>
>> AC
>>
>
> Do you think I care? I am only here for one thing. Can you figure it out?
>
do denounce your belief over and over?
you think this is the action of a "rational" person?
do you even think i care if you believe in God or not?
Whem a Muslim posts his beliefs to a newsgroup, what do you think his
agenda is?
not to promote hatred against himself, but to let those who are
misguided by US media and other propaganda, that there is a face to what
Bush calls "evil".
His religion, he reasons, is separate from his political belief (likely
getting rid of the US, Canada, and assorted Allies from his Native soil)
I dont know if Americans were taught about propaganda in school (likely
not, since the US liked to employ them with equal vigour as their
enemies- Germany, Japan and Russia), but many of us in Canada were- and
the examples they used from WW2 and the Cold War, are being employed
today- the enemies have changed, but the tactics havent.
catchme
>>
> I do it because no one else in there world does. It completely baffles
> them when someone questions their fairy tale. It's fun watching them
> pull their hair out when you say "prove it" and they can't. And then
> they think when they tell you you are going to hell it actually means
> something to you! That always kills me. I love going on local talk
> radio and fucking with the local baptist preachers. By the time I'm
> through with them they're insane with hatred for me...which I then
> point out is very unchristian like....just to piss them off on the way
> out the door.
this is the meaning of your existence?
i pity thee.
really, you have wasted your life if this would be your biggest thrill.
Think on it.
catchme
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:49:16 GMT, "Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller"
> <thi...@lse.co.ck> wrote:
>
>> Why do these people post to a TV group? What do they hope to achieve? Anger?
>> Hatred? Laughter?
>>
> The dumbest people watch the most TV....they're easy targets for this
> shit.
then write an ad. for tv watchers...youre using the wrong media.
catchme
> Lookout wrote:
>> Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
>> just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
>
> don't need proof" explanation which is the biggest load of cop-out BS ever.
>
>
religionists are waiting for the evidence to catch up with what they've
always felt in their hearts.
how can you prove a prescence?
Einstein, a self-admitted atheist, found that "God is in the center of
the Universe."
lookout is upset that i use references to Einstein, because at least
Einstein could have made the claim that he was rational in his beliefs.
catchme
>
> Old Lookout is a ambulance chaser. If there is any sign of trouble, he
> will chase it. He has been on a race thing lately, because he is a pure
> racist.
>
i dont know about 'ambulance chaser'....but i think it likely he runs
through churches and synagogues, screaming down the aisles before the
ushers catch up to him that he is a proud atheist....
Bert Hyman
wrote:
> religionists are waiting for the evidence to catch up with what
> they've always felt in their hearts.
No they're not.
Faith, or belief in the unknown and unknowable, is a primary virtue to
the religious.
Demonstrating a lack of faith by asking for, or even expecting, proof or
evidence is sinful.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
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Lookout666
Lookout is so dumb and stupid. He also says that he gets a kick out of
pissing people off with his posts, but the reality for him is that they
are not pissed. They just like messing with him, to watch him react like
a fish ---- mrBubbles. <g>
Markku Grönroos
ne...@buffy.sighup.org.uk
> Demonstrating a lack of faith by asking for, or even expecting, proof or
> evidence is sinful.
That's convienient.
--
Church: Local branch of The International House of Myths
Tralfamador
First principles are as
> questionable
> in science as theology.
Theology is the study of fiction.... It has nothing to do with science.
L. Ron. Hubbard thought really, really hard and came up with the cult of
scientology. Others thought really, really hard and came up with the
abrahamic religions. Compare this to the scientific method (google it.... )
and explain to me why i should take anything a theist says as "gospel".
A bunch of catholics just recently went into a room and thought really,
really hard and the end result was an ex nazi as pope and condoms are still
a bad idea. Explain to me why this is a good thing!
T
Tralfamador
There is no god. Once this is accepted everything falls into place.
Mike the Brewer
"spack" <sp...@home.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22599db64...@news.btopenworld.com...
> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaa...@gmail.com says...
>> Allah (God)
>>
> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>
> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
> delusions, I'll ask.
It never ceases to amaze me that when an OT posting of this nature appears
( cross-posted to a number of groups ) it is so obvious that the sender is
some
kind of fanatic, yet there are a large number of subscribers tempted to
reply, thus
encouraging further annoying posts.
Just put them in your killfile along with all the marketing spam from China
and the
"make money from the internet" crap.
Gazwad
tubby-arsed-welfare-bum and garish fag-bag who likes heartless bayonet
drill with blue whales, and whose partner is a blower with a saturated
gap, wrote in
<19dd678b-48e6-4200...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
> Allah (God)
>
> Islam is the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God).
Oh, really? God didn't tell you to blow yourself the fuck-up, did he?
Could it be then that all those stupid headless suicide motherfuckers are
now in hell then?
Remember, Jesus loves you. Everybody else thinks you're a cunt.
HTH
--
For my own part, I have never had a thought which I could not set down
in words with even more distinctness than that with which I conceived
it. There is, however, a class of fancies of exquisite delicacy which
are not thoughts, and to which as yet I have found it absolutely
impossible to adapt to language. These fancies arise in the soul, alas
how rarely. Only at epochs of most intense tranquillity, when the
bodily and mental health are in perfection. And at those weird points
of time, where the confines of the waking world blend with the world of
dreams. And so I captured this fancy, where all that we see, or seem,
is but a dream within a dream.
Markku Grönroos
Markku Grönroos
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Tralfamador
> Einstein, a self-admitted atheist, found that "God is in the center of
> the Universe."
> lookout is upset that i use references to Einstein, because at least
> Einstein could have made the claim that he was rational in his
> beliefs.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious
then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as
our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of
what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of
human beings. (Albert Einstein)
The Jewish tradition also contains something else, something which finds
splendid expression in many of the Psalms, namely, a sort of intoxicated joy
and amazement at the beauty and grandeur of this world, of which man can
form just a faint notion. This joy is the feeling from which true scientific
research draws its spiritual sustenance, but which also seems to find
expression in the song of birds. To tack this feeling to the idea of God
seems mere childish absurdity. (Albert Einstein, 1934)
Markku Grönroos
Scientology is a cult
40093a...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> Islam is the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God).
I don't submit to or am obedient to any human. Why should I submit to or
be obedient to something manufactured by humans?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Markku Grönroos
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> äÓãÉ ÇíãÇä <olaa...@gmail.com> wrote in news:19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-
Lookout666.6
He wants to whine about a lot of things. He keeps saying that he was in
the Army, like it means something. No one gives a shit about it. He was
in the Army for 9 years and got out in 1984. With that much time
invested into the Army like that, one doesn't just walk away. He was
court marshalled out of the Army for his BS babbling lip service. The
MP's chased, him, they caught him, and they had him kicked out of the
Army. I am sure he acted just as asstacular and a ass-hole back then as
he does now.
Markku Grönroos
Lookout
<lshaw-...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Lookout wrote:
>> Do you think I care? I am only here for one thing. Can you figure it out?
>
>Well, given the contents of the Newsgroups: line, that'd be either
>(a) helpdesk support
>(b) something about Scientology
>(c) travel in Europe
>(d) living on the cheap
>or
>(e) Television in the UK
>
>Given that your moniker is "lookout", which could suggest mild paranoia
>and a keen desire to constantly remain aware of what might lie in wait
>ready to trap you in some way, I'm going to guess (a) helpdesk, but I
>could be wrong.
>
>Then again, I guess you could be a Scientologist helpdesk employee who
>plans to vacation in Europe but doesn't have a big budget and so plans to
>spend his time there mostly watching television.
>
> - Logan
You're responding to a troll who's using my nick. He's on Usenetserver
and he's very lonely for attention.
Scientology is a cult
news:hGSHj.318388$qs3.1...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi:
>
> "Scientology is a cult" <Yo...@ema.yil> kirjoitti
> viestissن:Xns9A71B0BD12B...@66.150.105.47...
>> نسمة ايمان <olaa...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-
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>>> Islam is the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God).
>>
>> I don't submit to or am obedient to any human. Why should I submit
>> to or be obedient to something manufactured by humans?
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
You seemed to have dropped a newsgroup in your non-reply. I restored it.
Markku Grönroos
Markku Grönroos
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> Markku Grönroos <kur...@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in
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>> "Scientology is a cult" <Yo...@ema.yil> kirjoitti
>>> äÓãÉ ÇíãÇä <olaa...@gmail.com> wrote in
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You can not normally do this withe these kinds of scum because they change
their email and name all of the time. So do what the rest of us do and hate
them like the rest of the world.
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Lookout
wrote:
All religions are cults dumbass
Scientology is a cult
news:vt10v3phpa52t4ms7...@4ax.com:
> On 30 Mar 2008 19:55:34 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Yo...@ema.yil>
> wrote:
>
>>Markku Gr”nroos <kur...@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in
>>news:hGSHj.318388$qs3.1...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi:
>>
>>>
>>> "Scientology is a cult" <Yo...@ema.yil> kirjoitti
>>> viestiss„:Xns9A71B0BD12B...@66.150.105.47...
>>>> „àÆ €¡Æ€„ <olaa...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-
>>>> 40093a...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Islam is the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God).
>>>>
>>>> I don't submit to or am obedient to any human. Why should I submit
>>>> to or be obedient to something manufactured by humans?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>You seemed to have dropped a newsgroup in your non-reply. I restored
it.
>
> All religions are cults dumbass
What a brilliant, intelligent, well-thought out reply!
Catholicism was made up. I left Catholicism but I am allowed to live and
have Catholic friends.
Scientology was made up. Someone leaves Scientology they're
"disconnected", harassed, assaulted, and sometimes killed.
If you can't see the difference, it's not me being the dumbass here.
Vlemmix
> "Lookout2.0" <mrLook...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:1206881...@pronews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lookout wrote:
> >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <sp...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
> >>>> Allah (God)
>
> >>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>
> >>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
> >>> delusions, I'll ask.
>
>
> > Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are on
> > your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am not
> > going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>
> There is no God, heaven or hell. When you die you rot and become worm food.
>
> Make the best of the life you have right now, because that all you're gonna
> get.
>
> And if Im wrong, God will forgive you.
>
> AC- إخفاء النص المقتبس -
>
> - عرض النص المقتبس -
[46:22]
They said: Hast come to turn us away from our gods ? Then bring upon
us that wherewith thou threatenest us, if thou art of the truthful.
[46:23]
He said: The knowledge is with Allah only. I convey unto you that
wherewith I have been sent, but I see you are a folk that know not.
[46:24]
Then, when they beheld it as a dense cloud coming toward their
valleys, they said: Here is a cloud bringing us rain. Nay, but it is
that which ye did seek to hasten, a wind wherein is painful torment,
[46:25]
Destroying all things by commandment of its Lord. And morning found
them so that naught could be seen save their dwellings. Thus do We
reward the guilty folk.
[46:26]
And verily We had empowered them with that wherewith We have not
empowered you, and had assigned them ears and eyes and hearts; but
their ears and eyes and hearts availed them naught since they denied
the revelations of Allah; and what they used to mock befell them.
[46:27]
And verily We have destroyed townships round about you, and displayed
(for them) Our revelation, that haply they might return.
[46:28]
Then why did those whom they had chosen for gods as a way of approach
(unto Allah) not help them ? Nay, but they did fail them utterly. And
(all) that was their lie, and what they used to invent.
[46:29]
And when We inclined toward thee (Muhammad) certain of the jinn, who
wished to hear the Qur’an and, when they were in its presence, said:
Give ear! and, when it was finished, turned back to their people,
warning.
http://www.altafsir.com/ViewTranslations.asp?Display=yes&SoraNo=46&Ayah=0&Language=2&TranslationBook=3
Lookout
wrote:
>Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:vt10v3phpa52t4ms7...@4ax.com:
>
>> On 30 Mar 2008 19:55:34 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Yo...@ema.yil>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Markku Gr”nroos <kur...@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in
>>>news:hGSHj.318388$qs3.1...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Scientology is a cult" <Yo...@ema.yil> kirjoitti
>>>> viestiss„:Xns9A71B0BD12B...@66.150.105.47...
>>>>> „àÆ? €¡Æ€„ <olaa...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-
>>>>> 40093a...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Islam is the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God).
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't submit to or am obedient to any human. Why should I submit
>>>>> to or be obedient to something manufactured by humans?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You seemed to have dropped a newsgroup in your non-reply. I restored
>it.
>>
>> All religions are cults dumbass
>
>
>What a brilliant, intelligent, well-thought out reply!
>
>Catholicism was made up. I left Catholicism but I am allowed to live and
>have Catholic friends.
>
>Scientology was made up. Someone leaves Scientology they're
>"disconnected", harassed, assaulted, and sometimes killed.
>
>If you can't see the difference, it's not me being the dumbass here.
They can be the same and different dumbass.
They are both made up. That's a fact.
So what if you're left behind by a cult you don't want to be part of.
Who cares?
Religion makes you stupid. Period.
Lookout666.6
You heard it from the Unset God, a delusional clown named *Lookout*.
olfart
>
>
> You can not normally do this withe these kinds of scum because they change
> their email and name all of the time. So do what the rest of us do and
> hate them like the rest of the world.
>
the subject line
Scientology is a cult
news:p430v3lv2ui6n4641...@4ax.com:
>>> All religions are cults dumbass
>>
>>
>>What a brilliant, intelligent, well-thought out reply!
>>
>>Catholicism was made up. I left Catholicism but I am allowed to live
>>and have Catholic friends.
>>
>>Scientology was made up. Someone leaves Scientology they're
>>"disconnected", harassed, assaulted, and sometimes killed.
>>
>>If you can't see the difference, it's not me being the dumbass here.
>
> They can be the same and different dumbass.
> They are both made up. That's a fact.
> So what if you're left behind by a cult you don't want to be part of.
> Who cares?
> Religion makes you stupid. Period.
You're obviously not religious - what's your excuse then?
Lookout
wrote:
>Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
Of course I'm not.
Lookout
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080330/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_muslims;_ylt=AuVpdw_A2ozu0zyPPp8kgCys0NUE
Muslims more numerous than Catholics
By the way..non believers make up 11% of the world population. Much
more than the scientology idiots.
Scientology is a cult
news:2660v3p2781mnisho...@4ax.com:
>>> They can be the same and different dumbass.
>>> They are both made up. That's a fact.
>>> So what if you're left behind by a cult you don't want to be part of.
>>> Who cares?
>>> Religion makes you stupid. Period.
>>
>>You're obviously not religious - what's your excuse then?
>
> Of course I'm not.
I'm a secular humanist. Religion is not for me.
I do know the difference between a crutch that helps a person walk and a
life support system that keeps them going after death.
Mainstream religion = crutch
Scientology = life support system
Figure it out.
Lookout
wrote:
>Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
Prove there is life after death.
Scientology is a cult
news:gka0v396hkdd6ur4k...@4ax.com:
You obviously haven't read the first line of my post. I don't believe
there is an afterlife. I don't need to be bribed with the promise of
reward or the threat of punishment to behave as a decent human.
But for the people who do, the promise of afterlife reward for good deeds
and punishment for bad deeds is what keeps them in line. That is when
religion is good - when it keeps people from doing bad. It's a crutch,
yes, but it helps them walk.
Lookout
wrote:
They're idiots.
Aardvark
Hey, you Scandinavian dickhead. If you can't think of anything
constructive to add to the thread then stop posting nothing.
BTW you missed a newsgroup in the crosspost.
--
Liverpool. European City Of Culture 2008
http://www.liverpool08.com
Scientology is a cult
news:nsc0v3h8v3l9qdvtr...@4ax.com:
Then get up from behind your computer and tell it to their faces as they
leave church.
Lookout
wrote:
I've been Birmingham talk radio on the most widely listened to
christian talk radio show back in 88 and did just that. 3 days
running. And laughed in their faces (ears). By the last day it was the
busiest call in they ever had and calls were 1 in 3 for my opinion.
I've written numerous local editorials saying just that and I've
stopped the elementary schools from handing out bibles.
Lookout -- Hell no say it's not so. <g>
Man, this person is an absolute lunatic. He doesn't have a job it seems
and he has nothing else to do but harass people on Earth. It's a sad,
sad and sad state of mind he has. He is trolling everything. Yes, he is
more of an asstacular ass-hole and a shittacular shit-hole that could
ever be imagined.
<VBG>
catchme
> catchme wrote:
>> Einstein, a self-admitted atheist, found that "God is in the center of
>> the Universe."
>> lookout is upset that i use references to Einstein, because at least
>> Einstein could have made the claim that he was rational in his
>> beliefs.
>
> I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
> expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious
> then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as
> our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
>
> I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of
> what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of
> human beings. (Albert Einstein)
>
> The Jewish tradition also contains something else, something which finds
> splendid expression in many of the Psalms, namely, a sort of intoxicated joy
> and amazement at the beauty and grandeur of this world, of which man can
> form just a faint notion. This joy is the feeling from which true scientific
> research draws its spiritual sustenance, but which also seems to find
> expression in the song of birds. To tack this feeling to the idea of God
> seems mere childish absurdity. (Albert Einstein, 1934)
>
>
>
everytime i read someone like Einstein, I am led to a greater
recognisance of my own beliefs.
When I say this, I mean that I am constantly evaluating, and adapting- I
am a thinking person, and therefore on occasion i am bound to recognise
a flaw in my values.
Much of my own religion (i.e. on spirituality and respect for Nature) is
on similiar terms with Einstein, save that i belive as aristotle, in
seeking out one's own truth- and therefore I imagine a God much diferent
from Einstein and that of Organised Religion- a God who is (for the most
part) as disaffected with Humanity as we would be with an ant farm.
I dont fear God- not in the sense that if i commit a sin, im going to die.
In the greater sense, that what was made can be undone by the merest
whisper of a whim from a Superior Being...this i fear.
But why create the Universe at all?
If you were God, how else could you prove your power, if there was no
one to witness it? God's fear is that of being alone.
Therefore he needs us and we need Him. Whatever name you call him, he
does not care. Likely he will answer to every religious belief.
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm
The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the
mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion
is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists,
manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty
which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms -
this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)
My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely
superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak
and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of
the highest importance -- but for us, not for God. (Albert Einstein,The
Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton
University Press)
but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist
whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the
fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an
attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual
understanding of nature and of our own being. (Albert Einstein)
I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that
pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human
mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it
conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand
dimensions are as one? (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton
University Press, 2000 p. 208)
Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as
that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . .
. They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres. (The
Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)
In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human
mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no
God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support
for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University
Press, p. 214)
In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to
awaken this religious feeling and keep it alive in those who are
receptive to it. (Albert Einstein, 1930)
also:
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of
Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with
such life."
"To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is
something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity
reaches us only indirectly, this is religiousness." (What I Believe, 1930)
catchme
you have a lot in common with your imitator.....
Rod Speed
> Tralfamador wrote
>> catchme wrote
>>> Einstein, a self-admitted atheist, found that "God is in the center of the Universe."
Thats not an athiest, stupid.
>>> lookout is upset that i use references to Einstein, because at least
>>> Einstein could have made the claim that he was rational in his beliefs.
He can claim anything he likes. He was actually stupid enough to
claim that god does not play dice with the universe. God may well
not, but something clearly does, most obviously with radioactive decay.
>> I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but
>> have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
>> religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of
>> the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
That aint religion.
>> I believe in Spinoza's God
So he aint an atheist.
>> who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and
>> actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)
More fool you.
>> The Jewish tradition also contains something else, something which finds splendid expression in many of the Psalms,
>> namely, a sort of intoxicated joy and amazement at the beauty and grandeur of this world, of which man can form just
>> a faint notion. This joy is the feeling from which true scientific research draws its spiritual sustenance, but which
>> also seems to find expression in the song of birds. To tack this feeling to the idea of God seems mere childish
>> absurdity. (Albert Einstein, 1934)
It is indeed.
> everytime i read someone like Einstein, I am led to a greater recognisance of my own beliefs.
More fool you.
> When I say this, I mean that I am constantly evaluating, and adapting- I am a thinking person, and therefore on
> occasion i am bound to recognise a flaw in my values.
But you dont even notice the crutch you are reaching for.
> Much of my own religion (i.e. on spirituality and respect for Nature)
> is on similiar terms with Einstein, save that i belive as aristotle, in seeking out one's own truth- and therefore I
> imagine a God much
> diferent from Einstein and that of Organised Religion- a God who is (for the most part) as disaffected with Humanity
> as we would be with an ant farm.
Just the crutch you need.
> I dont fear God- not in the sense that if i commit a sin, im going to die.
Few religions run that line.
> In the greater sense, that what was made can be undone by the merest whisper of a whim from a Superior Being...this i
> fear.
More fool you.
> But why create the Universe at all?
Yep, thats the obvious flaw in your crutch.
> If you were God, how else could you prove your power, if there was no one to witness it? God's fear is that of being
> alone.
Mindlessly silly.
> Therefore he needs us and we need Him. Whatever name you call him, he does not care. Likely he will answer to every
> religious belief.
Just another mindless crutch.
> http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm
> The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical.
Only for the terminally wooly minded fools.
> It is the sower of all true science.
Wrong.
> He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead.
Mindlessly silly.
> To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant
> beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the
> center of true religiousness.
> ( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)
Just another crutch.
> My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely
> superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our
> weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality.
> Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.
> (Albert Einstein,The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)
> but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist
> whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the
> fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth.
Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our
> own being. (Albert Einstein)
Your problem.
> I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that
> pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The
> human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it
> conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand
> dimensions are as one? (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton
> University Press, 2000 p. 208)
Just another complete wank.
> Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs
> from the same source .
Nope.
> . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres.
There is no music of the spheres.
> (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)
> In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet
> people who say there is no God.
Must be one of those rocket scientist wankers.
> But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein,
> Princeton University Press, p. 214)
Your problem.
> In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to
> awaken this religious feeling and keep it alive in those who are
> receptive to it. (Albert Einstein, 1930)
More fool you.
> also:
> No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus.
Trouble is that all that proves is what a fool he was.
> His personality pulsates in every word.
True of all the other fools that have started other religions too.
> No myth is filled with such life."
What he was stupid enough to believe is the myth.
And he was stupid enough to get nailed up by the romans.
> "To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty
> and sublimity reaches us only indirectly, this is religiousness."
Just another mindlessly silly wank, actually.
> (What I Believe, 1930)
Pffft.
Markku Grönroos
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