Anything wrong with canned tomatoes?
nons...@mynonsense.net
there a good reason why I should pay four times the price for the same
thing?
hchi...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>Canned tomatoes are around 1/4'th the price of fresh tomatoes. Is
>there a good reason why I should pay four times the price for the same
>thing?
Because canned tomatoes don't work well in salads?
We're still harvesting and freezing tomatoes for the winter and
spring. To H with the high priced grocery store produce sections.
Same with zuchinni and green beans. Tomorrow I start processing
winter squash and pumpkins. Fresh corn on the cob here is back up to
a dollar an ear. Too bad our corn crop didn't come in.
Time also to clean out the squash vines and corn stalks for burning
(disease and squash bugs, so no compost for them) and tilling for the
cool weather crops of kale and collards and cabbagy stuff that we have
started.
Stan Horwitz
<4e152d2b-890c-4932...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
nons...@mynonsense.net wrote:
Buy a can and some fresh tomatoes. Try them together. You'll have your
answer.
Rod Speed
> Canned tomatoes are around 1/4'th the price of fresh tomatoes. Is there
> a good reason why I should pay four times the price for the same thing?
Not unless you prefer the different texture of the fresh ones in some circumstances like say with cheese on biscuits.
Dennis
>On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:43:48 -0700 (PDT), nons...@mynonsense.net
>wrote:
>
>>Canned tomatoes are around 1/4'th the price of fresh tomatoes. Is
>>there a good reason why I should pay four times the price for the same
>>thing?
>
>Because canned tomatoes don't work well in salads?
Agreed. Though they are acceptable in tabouli.
>
>We're still harvesting and freezing tomatoes for the winter and
>spring. To H with the high priced grocery store produce sections.
>Same with zuchinni and green beans. Tomorrow I start processing
>winter squash and pumpkins.
>Fresh corn on the cob here is back up to
>a dollar an ear.
Are you showing unusual restraint here, or are you just tired? ;-)
>Too bad our corn crop didn't come in.
>
>Time also to clean out the squash vines and corn stalks for burning
>(disease and squash bugs, so no compost for them) and tilling for the
>cool weather crops of kale and collards and cabbagy stuff that we have
>started.
We've had a relatively cool summer -- no corn and so far only two
tomatoes have actually gotten ripe. Lots of lettuce, spinach,
broccoli, wax beans, radishes and others. Looks like the potatoes
will be good later too.
Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin
Al Bundy
If you are only concerned with the nutritional value such as the
amount of lycopene, tomato paste has three times as much as raw
tomatoes
Ron Peterson
> Because canned tomatoes don't work well in salads?
They work fine, but be sure to get the unsalted kind.
Fresh are better, but non-local tomatoes are picked green and aren't
much better than canned.
--
Ron
hchi...@hotmail.com
>>Fresh corn on the cob here is back up to
>>a dollar an ear.
>
>Are you showing unusual restraint here, or are you just tired? ;-)
Both. I know the price is a fix and that our ex-neighbors in Florida
can get them for 20 cents an ear. What ticked me off was more the
poor harvest of corn, and I had some control over that. I'm not sure
how I'll handle it next year. In the meantime, it is bags of the
frozen stuff. I am tired of fighting price wars though.
clams_casino
>On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:15:02 -0700, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Fresh corn on the cob here is back up to
>>>a dollar an ear.
>>>
>>>
>>Are you showing unusual restraint here, or are you just tired? ;-)
>>
>>
>
>Both. I know the price is a fix and that our ex-neighbors in Florida
>can get them for 20 cents an ear.
>
>
Our best local corn is going for 40 cents an ear - down from the 50
cents several weeks ago for non native corn.
John Savage
Tomtoes and tomato juice are acidic. I have found that the very
cheapest canned tomatoes are usually in the cheapest of cans: cans
that do not have a plastic ('painted') interior. The result being
that there is some etching of the tin lining of the metal can which
may impart a distinctive "tinny" metallic taste to the contents.
Evidently disolved metallic tin does not pose a health hazard, but if
noticeable it can spoil the taste of the tomatoes. This is exacerbated
with prolonged storage, both in the distributor's warehouse and in your
pantry.
Some brands are worse in this respect, so buy just a couple of cans as
a test before investing in a whole carton. YMMV
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
Dennis
Agreed, the price is too high. But I was actually refering to you not
working in a buck-an-ear gag. ;-)
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
hchi...@hotmail.com
type some and digest later.
We gave up on vegetable gardening in Florida, primarily because of the
bugs, lack of proper tilling equipment, and unrelenting heat.
Watching every summer squash turn to guacamole because of worms
hatching out in the flowers, and a few other disasters relegated us
primarily to mangoes and passionfruit and bananas. This area has a
nice frosty winter to slow some of the pests down a little.
I spent part of today power-shopping at the groceries and found
fourpacks of corn for $1.50/pack, so picked up a couple. At least we
now remember how fresh corn tastes. A neighbor up here clued us in to
simply tossing our tomatoes into the freezer to freeze. It works fine
for me, since they'll end up in sauces or cooked stuff anyway. I'm
also thinking they could make wicked weapons. Lob a frozen one from a
moving car and it could shatter a door. By the time the homeowner
returned the tomato would be all innocent looking and mushy, but
probably intact.
We have a cheap pool that is near the garden for water, but I
discovered that the "puddling" behavior of butterflies, moths, and
some wasps seems to be more about picking up soil minerals for some
sexual development than being thirsty. Perhaps this is their version
of going to the local bar?
I got okra seeds mixed up with bean seeds, and so a second crop of
okra is just now flowering on top of the bean plants. Seems to work
well, I might do it on purpose next year. We have too many snap
beans, so it is time to let the rest turn into northern beans or
whatever they want to be when they grow up. Tilling is a requirement
and probably will continue to be for a while, since the loam is
primarily clay and rocks and compacts quite badly. I did one green
crop of wheat and have added grass clippings in a few areas, but the
organic matter in the soil is way low. At least when I add it the
stuff doesn't evaporate in a day like in Florida.
One thing that surprised me when we were researching the move up here
from Florida is that the average rainfall, which is fairly consistent
at about 5"/mo throughout the year. No wet and dry seasons. Of
course we did arrive in a drought, so that didn't hold.
On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:13:13 -0500, Derald <der...@invalid.net> wrote:
>hchi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Because canned tomatoes don't work well in salads?
> Sandwiches, too....
>
> Harry, I guess your gardening efforts must have been ectoplasmic
>inspiration to me, although, coincidence probably is more likely: This
>Spring, after a nearly ten-year hiatus, I rejuvenated a few of the
>raised beds DW built during the 1990's and resumed shepherding a small
>"to the need" community garden that has been surprisingly productive,
>considering all of the time that it lay fallow. We no longer attempt to
>produce quantities for preservation, although, DW&I do freeze (or
>dehydrate) excess in order to prevent waste.
> Since late May, have had a steady stream of fresh "better boy" as
>well as little "husky cherry red" tomatoes. The cherry tomatoes are
>spousal indulgence; I prefer indeterminates because they'll yield nice
>big tomatoes until December or January. I noticed yesterday that the
>"better boy" have resumed blossoming, after a cloud/rain induced break,
>so I guess it's time for me to get involved in their sex lives once
>again: Hand-pollination because the few "pollinators" that are active
>this time-of-year are looking for water, not for flower juice. I keep
>basins of fresh water in each of the beds so the predatory wasps are
>still helping me out.
> In addition, okra (Clemson spineless); blackeyed peas;
>eggplant/aubergine (black beauty); "bell" peppers; and basil (spicy
>globe) are producing. The fourth planting of blackeyed peas (it replaced
>the peanuts under the okra) is about half-grown; third planting is just
>about played out and its bed will be used for "greens", mustard, most
>likely, even though collards are more heat tolerant. Few phenomena are
>more depressing than seeing a cute little young mustard with bright
>yellow blossoms but I'll chance it. Just yesterday, completed planting
>of the second bed of "Delinel" snap-beans for October/November harvest.
>From late February or early March, I'll succession-plant more Delinels
>for a continuous yield into August, when they just can't cope with the
>long hot humid days.
>>
>>tilling for the cool weather crops of kale and collards and cabbagy stuff that we have
>>started.
> Although, I do not "till", some hand tools are required to redeem
>the beds from their fallow state. As a rule, I use no tools to work the
>garden soil because of their destructive effect on the soft-bodied
>instars of the insectivorous wasps and native solitary bees. No Japanese
>beetles here and native beetle "grubs" are not numerous enough to be a
>problem. I don't begrudge them the occasional root snack any more than I
>mind paying a "bean tax" to the tufted titmouses....
> Over the next couple of weeks, will rejuvenate at least two more
>beds to accomodate cool-weather items: Lettuce, other "greens",
>"English" garden peas, maybe cabbage and maybe cauliflower. Although, I
>like nothing else better than freshly cropped cauliflower, it's a bit
>"iffy" down here because of the shortage of cool days during the
>fall-winter growing season. We almost never have enough contiguous days
>of cool weather to make broccoli, Brussel's sprouts, or other
>long-season "cool weather" veggies worthwhile. Potatoes will be
>barrel-grown and they go in in December.
> Neither of us cares for corn or squash well enough to devote any
>effort -- or garden area -- to either, although, with an early start we
>do manage a few "hills" of cucumber. At its best, Florida-grown corn is
>insipid, anyway, and in order to get a decent crop of it or of "summer"
>squash, one must plant them early enough in the year that there remains
>some frost danger because if the crop is not "in" by May or early June,
>then the insects make further efforts futile. I live in a sort-of
>developed semi-rural area, so there is no reasonable defense against
>that variety of incipient, shield-shaped, juice-sucking, virus spreading
>insects that generically just seem to go as "plant bugs" that shelter in
>the "woods".
> You may find this useful when planning planting dates:
>http://www.weatherbase.com/search/search.php3?refer=
>although, I notice that for your area, averages are compiled over what
>seems a fairly short span; and
>http://www.accuweather.com/ for short-term forecasts.
> Accuweather has a long history and reputation for accurate
>commercial weather forecasting and their free public forecasts seem to
>be more reliable than NWS forecasts and 'way-y-y better than Weather.com
>(the weather channel; it's for sale, btw, if you're looking for a
>retirement plan....). Production companies used to (and may, still,
>FAIK) buy shoot-day forecasts from accuweather back in the day.
JonquilJan
(works in my part of the country - northern New York - but may not be
applicable elsewhere).
Mix a small amount of turpentine with sawdust and sprinkle it in a circle
around transplants (such as broccoli, cabbage) and around small seedlings
(such as zucchini, yellow squash). Must be renewed after a few rains. Odor
keeps the egg laying butterflies/moths away - as well as cutworms. But I
use toothpicks around the stems of transplants for cutworms.
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
Dennis
> All of the tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, sweet potatoes
>and some of the basil are in containers. Containers may represent my
>gardening future.
I have sitting in my barnyard one of those rotating metal wire racks
that are used for displaying videos and books (DW runs the community
library and this was deemed excess and brought home to add to our "to
the dump/recycling" staging area). It stands about 5 feet tall and
has four sides of wire shelves that look like they should handlily
accomodate some 4-6" pots. I keep thinking that I should put it to
use as a vertical container garden for strawberries or some such.
Seems like it would be fairly low/easy maintenance. Hmmm...
I just picked, dried and vacuum-sealed almost 2 lbs of hops from my 3
hop vines. Woo hoo! That should help keep my newly-fabricated
kegerator in business for another year, with some left over to share
with my homebrew homies! I can now laugh at the nation-wide hop
shortage and resulting high market prices.
Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin
hchi...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> I can now laugh at the nation-wide hop
>shortage and resulting high market prices.
Oh lordy, now we'll have to listen to hip music.
You could plant the rotating rack with little evergreens and have a
rotating Christmas tree in a few months...
Macuser
use them in every style for about half the things I cook. My favorite brand
is Cento, which has the thickest consistency.
"Thrift is sexy." ;)
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The Real Bev
> Canned tomatoes are no good in salad, but they're wonderful for cooking. I
> use them in every style for about half the things I cook. My favorite brand
> is Cento, which has the thickest consistency.
Don't you have any friends who are interested in this stuff?
--
Cheers,
Bev
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Evelyn Leeper
> Canned tomatoes are no good in salad, but they're wonderful for cooking.
> I use them in every style for about half the things I cook. My favorite
> brand is Cento, which has the thickest consistency.
Avoid Luigi Vitelli products. (My note doesn't say why, but I think it
was that they were too watery.)
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
I know you can't live on hope alone but without hope
life is not worth living. -Harvey Milk