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Arumugham

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Jul 27, 2008, 12:29:56 AM7/27/08
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Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
washing machine as far as possible.
Keep light fixtures clean to get optimum light.
When using computers, make use of power saving modes, turn off
peripherals when they are not in use.
Let your TV have small screen and if possible watch it together with
family members, for less time.
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clams_casino

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Jul 27, 2008, 6:46:34 AM7/27/08
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Arumugham wrote:

>Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
>washing machine as far as possible.
>
>

I thought you people in India washed your clothing in the river.

James

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Jul 27, 2008, 8:58:32 AM7/27/08
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After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year life
to a mear several months.

TKM

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Jul 27, 2008, 9:34:48 AM7/27/08
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"James" <j006...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Same thing can happen if the CFL is enclosed in a fixture. For maximum
life, CFLs should be in open air and burned base down.

Note, however, that some CFLs do have higher temperature ratings than
others. Use those for your enclosed fixtures.

I also use CFLs rated as "Energy Star" since these have to be rated by the
manufacturer for certain minimum performance levels including life, light
output and color and have to include a manufacturer's warranty and "800"
number for warranty service. So far, with half a dozen CFLs in the house, no
failures in 5 years.

TKM


Evelyn C. Leeper

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Jul 27, 2008, 10:42:43 AM7/27/08
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Arumugham wrote:
> Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
> washing machine as far as possible.

Assuming one needs to use a dryer (in NJ, the humidity is such that
drying clothes on a line may *never* happen :-( ), is it more efficient
to use a higher heat for a shorter period of time, or a lower heat for a
longer period?

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Evelyn C. Leeper
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anything has changed. -Irene Peter

Evelyn C. Leeper

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Jul 27, 2008, 10:44:36 AM7/27/08
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I think the upside-down CFL problem is mostly true of the earlier (and
cheaper) bulbs. Certainly we are using them now in ceiling fixtures
without having to change them every several months.

clams_casino

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Jul 27, 2008, 10:48:18 AM7/27/08
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James wrote:

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>
>After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
>upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year life
>to a mear several months.
>
>

So they should not be used in Australia?

nicks...@ece.villanova.edu

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Jul 27, 2008, 2:01:40 PM7/27/08
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Evelyn C. Leeper <ele...@optonline.net> wrote:

>Assuming one needs to use a dryer (in NJ, the humidity is such that
>drying clothes on a line may *never* happen :-( ), is it more efficient
>to use a higher heat for a shorter period of time, or a lower heat for a
>longer period?

I'd say low heat for a long time, eg turn on a few light bulbs in
an insulated closet with a humidistat when the RH rises to 50%.

Nick

Lou

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Jul 27, 2008, 1:45:05 PM7/27/08
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"Evelyn C. Leeper" <ele...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Arumugham wrote:
>> Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
>> washing machine as far as possible.
>
> Assuming one needs to use a dryer (in NJ, the humidity is such that drying
> clothes on a line may *never* happen :-( ), is it more efficient to use a
> higher heat for a shorter period of time, or a lower heat for a longer
> period?
>
As a first approximation, it shouldn't make any difference - it takes a
certain amount of heat to evaporate a given amount of water regardless of
temperature. However, as a practical matter, if you're using a clothes
dryer on high heat, the cabinet tends to get warm - that's heat that's being
radiated into the room instead of evaporating water, and is wasted. On the
other hand, at low settings, it's going to take longer to dry the clothes,
and the motor turning the drum runs longer.

Some fabrics can take high heat, and some can't. For the best results, you
should probably follow the instructions on the garment label, otherwise
anything you save on running the dryer could end up being spent on replacing
clothes sooner than would otherwise be necessary.


h

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Jul 27, 2008, 2:19:43 PM7/27/08
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"TKM" <non...@no.net> wrote in message
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> "James" <j006...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 27, 6:46 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>> Arumugham wrote:
>> >Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
>> >washing machine as far as possible.
>>
>> I thought you people in India washed your clothing in the river.
>
> After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
> upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year life
> to a mear several months.
>
> Same thing can happen if the CFL is enclosed in a fixture. For maximum
> life, CFLs should be in open air and burned base down.
>

Weird. Most of my lights are upside down, in enclosed fixtures, and all of
the bulbs are CFL. I've never had one last less than 5 years, and most last
much, much longer.


Marsha

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Jul 27, 2008, 2:52:53 PM7/27/08
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Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> Arumugham wrote:
>
>> Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
>> washing machine as far as possible.
>
>
> Assuming one needs to use a dryer (in NJ, the humidity is such that
> drying clothes on a line may *never* happen :-( ), is it more efficient
> to use a higher heat for a shorter period of time, or a lower heat for a
> longer period?
>

Can you use a drying rack or string a line inside your house, at least
to partially dry your clothes? Do an extra spin cycle to help get more
water out. Every little bit helps, plus air drying makes things last
longer.

Marsha/Ohio

Rod Speed

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Jul 27, 2008, 4:39:09 PM7/27/08
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clams_casino <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
> Arumugham wrote

>> Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of washing machine as far as possible.

> I thought you people in India washed your clothing in the river.

Nope, not enough rivers, they breed like flys.


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i've read that your clothes remain germy until they're put in the dryer or
dried in sunlight.
even if you wash in hot water. i'd guess chlorine bleach would kill germs,
but you can't
use that on colors.

i dry my clothes on a medium setting. too hot isn't good for fabrics, plus
if it runs for an
hr on high, it costs more than on med and med for an hr is usually enough.

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Tim Smith

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Jul 27, 2008, 7:33:05 PM7/27/08
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In article
<351df7b5-9381-43ff...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,

Arumugham <n.aru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keep light fixtures clean to get optimum light.

How will that save electricity? The bulb doesn't know or care that some
of the light it is producing gets blocked by a dirty fixture. It's
going to consume the same electricity either way.

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--Tim Smith

Stephanie

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Jul 28, 2008, 7:33:55 AM7/28/08
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Only need to turn on one eather than two since the first does the whole
lighting job, perhaps?


TKM

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Jul 28, 2008, 2:37:09 PM7/28/08
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"h" <tmc...@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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The CFL manufacturers have done a good job of improving the high-temperature
performance of CFL bulbs and we're all seeing the benefit of that. I
should have included that point in my reply. Nevertheless, higher
temperatures do cause faster deterioration of CFL ballast components with
capacitors being the most susceptible. A classic rule-of-thumb is that a 10
degree (C) increase in component temperature equates to 2X the normal
deterioration rate.

TKM


James

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Jul 28, 2008, 5:48:13 PM7/28/08
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On Jul 27, 2:19 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "TKM" <non...@no.net> wrote in message
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> > On Jul 27, 6:46 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> >> Arumugham wrote:
> >> >Use cold washes in your washing machine and dry clothes outside of
> >> >washing machine as far as possible.
>
> >> I thought you people in India washed your clothing in the river.
>
> > After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
> > upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year life
> > to a mear several months.
>
> > Same thing can happen if the CFL is enclosed in a fixture.  For maximum
> > life, CFLs should be in open air and burned base down.
>
> Weird. Most of my lights are upside down, in enclosed fixtures, and all of
> the bulbs are CFL. I've never had one last less than 5 years, and most last
> much, much longer.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

You probably don't have them on hours at a time in a hot 80F house.

h

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Jul 28, 2008, 6:29:07 PM7/28/08
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"James" <j006...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sure do. The lights in the kitchen/great room are on all day and we don't
have AC. It's been pretty steamy here this summer. I do have AC in my work
building, but I only cool to 80F so I don't sweat on the materials. All
upside down enclosed CFLs in there, too, and the lights are on at least 12
hours a day.


Rod Speed

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Jul 28, 2008, 9:19:16 PM7/28/08
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TKM <nom...@no.net> wrote:
> "h" <tmc...@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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>> "TKM" <non...@no.net> wrote in message
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>>> "James" <j006...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Jul 27, 6:46 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com>
>>> wrote:
>
>>> After burning out many CFL bulbs I discovered that if you use them
>>> upside down the heat kills the electronics and decreases a 5 year
>>> life to a mear several months.
>>>
>>> Same thing can happen if the CFL is enclosed in a fixture. For
>>> maximum life, CFLs should be in open air and burned base down.
>>>
>>
>> Weird. Most of my lights are upside down, in enclosed fixtures, and
>> all of the bulbs are CFL. I've never had one last less than 5 years,
>> and most last much, much longer.
>
> The CFL manufacturers have done a good job of improving the
> high-temperature performance of CFL bulbs and we're all seeing the
> benefit of that. I should have included that point in my reply. Nevertheless, higher temperatures do cause faster
> deterioration of
> CFL ballast components

They arent ballast components.

> with capacitors being the most susceptible. A classic rule-of-thumb is that a 10 degree (C) increase in component
> temperature equates to 2X the normal deterioration rate.

Wrong with high temp caps.


Rod Speed

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Jul 29, 2008, 2:36:49 AM7/29/08
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Jeff

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Jul 29, 2008, 8:23:35 AM7/29/08
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I don't have any that are enclosed, but almost all of mine are
upside down also. Oddly, I had just had the first CFL burnout in many
years and it was one of the few that was right side up.

With that said, most CFLs should not be used in "Heat hell holes"
such as recessed fixtures.

Jeff
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James

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Jul 29, 2008, 9:01:17 AM7/29/08
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> hours a day.- Hide quoted text -

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Are they high wattage GE bulbs?

h

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Jul 29, 2008, 10:04:36 AM7/29/08
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Home Depot cheapo floods (15/75).


Seerialmom

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Jul 29, 2008, 2:34:12 PM7/29/08
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> http://severaltips.blogspot.com/2008/07/save-electricity-save-energy-...

I tend to dry my clothes in the dryer, much more effective than the
washer ever will be.

Seerialmom

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Jul 29, 2008, 2:37:24 PM7/29/08
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On Jul 27, 4:33 pm, Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article
> <351df7b5-9381-43ff-99bd-24be5d31a...@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,

>
>  Arumugham <n.arumug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Keep light fixtures clean to get optimum light.
>
> How will that save electricity?  The bulb doesn't know or care that some
> of the light it is producing gets blocked by a dirty fixture.  It's
> going to consume the same electricity either way.
>
> --
> --Tim Smith

Because you won't be tempted to turn on yet another light fixture to
make up for the less than bright dirty bulb, of course?

Dave Garland

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Aug 2, 2008, 2:59:05 AM8/2/08
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It was a dark and stormy night when Seerialmom <seeri...@yahoo.com>
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>I tend to dry my clothes in the dryer, much more effective than the
>washer ever will be.

Yup. But far less efficient than line-drying them.

Dave Garland

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Aug 2, 2008, 3:01:48 AM8/2/08
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It was a dark and stormy night when "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
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>i've read that your clothes remain germy until they're put in the dryer or
>dried in sunlight.

Unless you're washing diapers, this isn't likely to be an issue.

Do you live somewhere where there's no sunlight?

Dave

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