Chinese Exports Safe
PaPaPeng
Chinese exports safe, good quality: US official
12:06, January 05, 2008
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90852/6332846.html
Chinese exports to the United States are generally safe and of good
quality, a senior US product safety official said in Beijing on
Friday.
"Among people who have knowledge of products from China, as a result
of their profession, I think there is general acceptance that the
overwhelming majority of the products are safe and of good quality and
good value," Richard O'Brien, director of International Programs and
Intergovernmental Affairs under the US Consumer Product Safety
Commission (CPSC), told a press conference.
On the massive recalls of Chinese toys last summer in the United
States due to excessive quantities of lead paint, O'Brien said it was
a natural result of an extensive inspection of Chinese toys after the
first case was discovered.
"Everybody started to check if the same problem existed around
themselves you can understand one case led to another and led to
another," he said, adding that he was "pretty optimistic" that the
problems had been resolved and US consumers' confidence in Chinese
goods was recovering.
"We almost have no toy industry in the United States. If we stop
importing toys from China, most toy shelves in US supermarkets will be
empty," said O'Brien, who is on a two-week visit to China.
The CPSC has been cooperating closely with China's General
Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine
(AQSIQ), the country's top quality watchdog.
The CPSC greatly appreciates the Chinese government's efforts on
product safety improvement, said O'Brien.
"We don't have foreign partners that are so involved in cooperation
with us as AQSIQ," he said, adding that his agency is willing to share
its experience and lessons on product safety inspection and the
establishment of a nationwide recall system with its Chinese partner.
As an independent federal regulatory agency, CPSC was set up in 1973
to protect the public from risks associated with some 15,000 types of
consumer products, covering almost all the products sold in the United
States except food, drugs and pharmaceuticals, as well as
transportation that requires government registration.
The agency also handles recalls of unsafe products.
Source: China Dail
Bernardo Gui
>Chinese exports safe, good quality: US official
>12:06, January 05, 2008
PaPaPeng's continuing efforts to convince Americans that Chinese
products are safe are truly inspiring. No amount of facts to the
contrary have any effect on his steadfast confidence. No amount of
reality has any effect on his fantasy.
PaPaPeng is the George W. Bush of shoddy, lead-painted,
slave-manufactured products everywhere.
Bernardo
Rod Speed
> Chinese exports safe, good quality: US official
> 12:06, January 05, 2008
> http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90852/6332846.html
> Chinese exports to the United States are generally safe and of good
> quality, a senior US product safety official said in Beijing on Friday.
Pity about the stuff that isnt.
> "Among people who have knowledge of products from China, as a
> result of their profession, I think there is general acceptance that the
> overwhelming majority of the products are safe and of good quality
> and good value," Richard O'Brien, director of International Programs
> and Intergovernmental Affairs under the US Consumer Product Safety
> Commission (CPSC), told a press conference.
Pity about the stuff that isnt.
We've just seen a children's cosmetic toy that has the most obscene
chemical ingredients and has in fine print, 'keep out of the reach of children'
Talk about a complete and utter obscenity.
> On the massive recalls of Chinese toys last summer in the United States due
> to excessive quantities of lead paint, O'Brien said it was a natural result of an
> extensive inspection of Chinese toys after the first case was discovered.
> "Everybody started to check if the same problem existed around themselves
> you can understand one case led to another and led to another," he said,
> adding that he was "pretty optimistic" that the problems had been resolved
> and US consumers' confidence in Chinese goods was recovering.
They shouldnt have been using lead paint in the first place, fool.
> "We almost have no toy industry in the United States. If we stop
> importing toys from China, most toy shelves in US supermarkets
> will be empty," said O'Brien, who is on a two-week visit to China.
> The CPSC has been cooperating closely with China's General
> Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine
> (AQSIQ), the country's top quality watchdog.
> The CPSC greatly appreciates the Chinese government's
> efforts on product safety improvement, said O'Brien.
> "We don't have foreign partners that are so involved in cooperation
> with us as AQSIQ," he said, adding that his agency is willing to share
> its experience and lessons on product safety inspection and the
> establishment of a nationwide recall system with its Chinese partner.
> As an independent federal regulatory agency, CPSC was set up in 1973
> to protect the public from risks associated with some 15,000 types of
> consumer products, covering almost all the products sold in the United
> States except food, drugs and pharmaceuticals, as well as
> transportation that requires government registration.
> The agency also handles recalls of unsafe products.
> Source: China Daily
Chloe
news:c28vn3lk9kbmtlfbu...@4ax.com...
Yeah, but where he's really confused seems to be with the notion that US
consumers believe ANYTHING the federal government tells us. For the Consumer
Product Safety Commission to claim Chinese products are safe raises a bigger
red flag for me than just about anything else possibly could. PaPa, it might
be different in Canada, but in the US the government spins information to
the advantage of big corporate political contributors--in this case the
companies which profit from the import business--and that article is just a
prime example. "Set up to protect the public..." Puh-leeze.
clams_casino
>"Bernardo Gui" <spr...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>news:c28vn3lk9kbmtlfbu...@4ax.com...
>
>
>>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:10:52 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Chinese exports safe, good quality: US official
>>>12:06, January 05, 2008
>>>
>>>
>>PaPaPeng's continuing efforts to convince Americans that Chinese
>>products are safe are truly inspiring. No amount of facts to the
>>contrary have any effect on his steadfast confidence. No amount of
>>reality has any effect on his fantasy.
>>
>>PaPaPeng is the George W. Bush of shoddy, lead-painted,
>>slave-manufactured products everywhere.
>>
>>Bernardo
>>
>>
>
>Yeah, but where he's really confused seems to be with the notion that US
>consumers believe ANYTHING the federal government tells us.
>
>
I believe whatever the federal government tells us. GW continues to
assure us that his war in Iraq continues to go well and that the US
economy is currently fully sound.
That helps me to sleep soundly at night.
PaPaPeng
wrote:
The product quality problem must go back many years before last year's
flap. Has anyone in the US made sick let alone died so far from China
imports ? The toothpaste incident was in Panama and that was from
Panama formulated toothpaste that used mislabelled glycol for glycine.
In the same period many have been made ill and even died from tainted
US origin spinach and hamburger beef among US grown products. In the
meantime the hoohah about tainted Chinese imports ran out of steam by
November 2007. There's not a peep out of the usual pressure and
advocacy groups since. Is it because you have a lot of real life
problems bearing upon you?
Anyway here's an update. If you still want to continue that
conspiracy theory do provide fresh evidence. It is apparent that the
US government and media doesn't think it a subject worth reporting on
anymore.
China to enhance int'l co-op on product quality improvement in 2008
+ - 07:57, January 04, 2008
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90884/6332080.html
China will strengthen cooperation with other countries on product
quality issues in a bid to promote sound development of foreign trade,
said Li Changjiang, director of the General Administration of Quality
Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ), on Thursday.
Li made the remarks at a national quality supervision and inspection
work conference held in Beijing.
"China will enhance consultation with other countries regarding
quality supervision and inspections, establish and expand
inter-government cooperative mechanism on product quality and safety
control," Li said.
Li added that AQSIQ would assist Beijing Municipal Food Safety
Supervision and Coordination Office in food safety supervision and
sport equipment testing during the 2008 Olympic Games.
Chinese industries have been battered by a raft of reports detailing
substandard products ranging from drugs to toys.
The Chinese government responded the scandals by introducing a new
recall system last summer, launching a four-month-long nationwide
product quality campaign and offering intensive training courses to
domestic manufacturers.
AQSIQ has taken numerous measures to promote international cooperation
in the field, including signing 47 bilateral documents and
establishing 23 cooperative mechanisms. It also co-hosted the
High-Level International Food Safety Forum and International Consumer
Product Safety Conference in 2007.
Source: Xinhua
frie...@zoocrewphoto.com
Why would I want to reward them by buying more of their products?
Dennis
>"Bernardo Gui" <spr...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>news:c28vn3lk9kbmtlfbu...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:10:52 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Chinese exports safe, good quality: US official
>>>12:06, January 05, 2008
>>
>> PaPaPeng's continuing efforts to convince Americans that Chinese
>> products are safe are truly inspiring. No amount of facts to the
>> contrary have any effect on his steadfast confidence. No amount of
>> reality has any effect on his fantasy.
>>
>> PaPaPeng is the George W. Bush of shoddy, lead-painted,
>> slave-manufactured products everywhere.
>>
>> Bernardo
>
>Yeah, but where he's really confused seems to be with the notion that US
>consumers believe ANYTHING the federal government tells us.
Particularly when something like this is reported in a Chinese
newspaper.
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
PaPaPeng
Dunno. Its your money to spend as you wish. Its darn strange how the
imports of China origin good keep rising. Its impossible to avoid
them anywhere be it food or any everyday item one has to use at home
or at work. Solve that mystery and maybe America will be able to get
a handle on her enormous personal and public debt.
Bernardo Gui
>Dunno. Its your money to spend as you wish. Its darn strange how the
>imports of China origin good keep rising. Its impossible to avoid
>them anywhere be it food or any everyday item one has to use at home
>or at work. Solve that mystery and maybe America will be able to get
>a handle on her enormous personal and public debt.
Oh, I think we're already seeing a backlash against your cat-killing
and lead-painted products. Most certainly, chinese products will
always be a significant part of what is available in the US, but there
are companies who are already gearing-up with 'Made In The USA'
labels. The toy market will only be the beginning. Smart consumers are
beginning to realize that low prices are not the most important issue.
Your country's slipshod manufacturing standards and willingness to use
carcinogens (and worse) in products intended for human consumption
will not go unnoticed by everyone.
Bernardo
PaPaPeng
<wail...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>
>Your country's slipshod manufacturing standards and willingness to use
>carcinogens (and worse) in products intended for human consumption
>will not go unnoticed by everyone.
>
>Bernardo
Must be a strictly for US export grade stuff you are getting. There
seems to be more and more Chinese all the time and they all use
practically 100 percent China origin stuff. Probably the same stuff
that give you cancers are fertility enhancers for orientals. Its a
matter of being born with the right genes thing. But fear not. The
authorities are working with your guys to remove them from the
products. By the way tech your children to play with their toys.
They are not meant to be sucked on.
The Real Bev
> By the way tech your children to play with their toys.
> They are not meant to be sucked on.
That's what little kids do with their toys. Until recently it was safe
in civilized countries, who don't generally make a practice of killing
girl babies just because they're not boys.
--
Cheers, Bev
===================================================================
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alternate screen name, "CherryXXX69," and get complete strangers to
email me a picture of their scrotum. I tell you, this country gave
the finger to privacy a long time ago." -- Bill Maher
PaPaPeng
<bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>PaPaPeng wrote:
>
>> By the way tech your children to play with their toys.
>> They are not meant to be sucked on.
>
>That's what little kids do with their toys. Until recently it was safe
>in civilized countries, who don't generally make a practice of killing
>girl babies just because they're not boys.
The toys that were recalled were meant for kids 6yrs and up. They
shouldn't be sucking on toys by that age, least of all something so
odd shaped as a locomotive. No wonder many of your people have such
bad teeth.
Anyway I had been cranking you people up for amusement. Consumer
concerns, justifiable fears or not, are being addressed by both US and
Chinese authorities and we shouldn't have any reason for a repeat of
last year's witch hunt.
frie...@zoocrewphoto.com
> Oh, I think we're already seeing a backlash against your cat-killing
> and lead-painted products. Most certainly, chinese products will
> always be a significant part of what is available in the US, but there
> are companies who are already gearing-up with 'Made In The USA'
> labels. The toy market will only be the beginning. Smart consumers are
> beginning to realize that low prices are not the most important issue.
>
Exactly.
After the pet food problems, the good cat food companies started
sending samples of their products to the cat shows. Everybody went
home with a variety of samples. I was able to test a variety of US
made, grain-free cat foods. A lot of people opted to spend more money
on expensive cat foods and never go back to the cheaper crap that may
end up with new problems in the future.
I know I will not be able to avoid all Chinese products, but I
definetly will not by any food product that is known to have
ingredients from China. And given a choice in other products, I will
pick any country over China.
Rod Speed
>>> By the way tech your children to play with their toys.
>>> They are not meant to be sucked on.
>> That's what little kids do with their toys. Until recently it
>> was safe in civilized countries, who don't generally make
>> a practice of killing girl babies just because they're not boys.
> The toys that were recalled were meant for kids 6yrs and up.
Bare faced lie.
> They shouldn't be sucking on toys by that age, least
> of all something so odd shaped as a locomotive.
Criminal arsehole chinese shouldnt be using lead based paints.
> No wonder many of your people have such bad teeth.
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
> Anyway I had been cranking you people up for amusement.
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
> Consumer concerns, justifiable fears or not, are
> being addressed by both US and Chinese authorities
We'll see...
> and we shouldn't have any reason for a repeat of last year's witch hunt.
We'll see...
Bet we do see hordes of criminal chinese arseholes caught yet again.
Chloe
news:30351a97-8510-4141...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 6, 1:42 pm, Bernardo Gui <waile2...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> After the pet food problems, the good cat food companies started
> sending samples of their products to the cat shows. Everybody went
> home with a variety of samples. I was able to test a variety of US
> made, grain-free cat foods. A lot of people opted to spend more money
> on expensive cat foods and never go back to the cheaper crap that may
> end up with new problems in the future.
Can you recommend some brands? The pet food problem was especially troubling
because it was (and still is) so difficult to know how to avoid the Chinese
ingredients. OTOH, I hate spending money on food the cats don't like the
taste of.
PaPaPeng
================================================
Now that I've got everyone's attention its a good time to launch the
real message. The article below is an excellent summary of the
world you will face this year. Chinese food imports is the least of
your problems.
Putin for president ... of the United States
By Spengler
January 8, 2008
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JA08Ag01.html
Flying across the vast Russian plain in 1944, the future French
president Charles DeGaulle cursed the destiny that made him a
Frenchman; if only he could rule a country the size of Russia, he
mused, think of what he might accomplish! A similar thought must have
occurred to Vladimir Putin, the most talented political leader of our
time: what might he have done at the helm of the world's only
superpower, instead of salvaging the hulk of the defeated Soviet
Empire? Why not give him the chance? Watching the last round of
American political debates, it occurred to me that it's time to think
out of the box.
(PPP: DeGaulle's visit was 1954, not 1944. Spengler is a pseudonym
and he is not my favorite writer either. But he does write
provocative articles. If you want to shoot him use the link and write
your letter.)
Putin will finish his second term of office as Russian president early
in 2008, just when the next American president takes office. There is
plenty of time to naturalize him as an American citizenand amend the
constitution to permit a foreign-born president. The alternative is to
elect another incarnation of the political type that got America into
trouble in the first place.
"God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States
of America," German statesman Otto von Bismarck is famously alleged to
have said. I have only one New Year's forecast, namely that God will
take a holiday, at least as far as America is concerned. The year just
passed would be viewed as America's annus horribilis by any normal
standard, that is, any standard except that of 2008, which will be the
worst year for the US since 1980, when Jimmy Carter left office.
Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong in American policy, but
not as wrong as it will go now. As in 1980, a lame-duck administration
will confront economic and strategic reverses. But it is worse than
1980, for no Ronald Reagan is waiting in the wings to set things
right.
America needs leadership, and none of available candidates can provide
it. Politicians prevailed during the past generation by flattering
American complacency. Precisely the opposite is needed. Putin has the
requisite tough-mindedness, with only one important deficiency: he is
a nasty piece of work. His youth movement, Nashi (Ours) should
frighten anyone who knows the political history of the 20th century.
Then again, nobody's perfect. Russia is no country for nice men. But
Putin's personal nastiness is beside the point. Washington has
willfully misunderstood Russia's most basic requirements (What they
didn't say at Kennebunkport, July 3, 2007). No Russian leader could
survive without doing more or less what Putin has done.
While his predecessor Boris Yeltsin led Russia into bankruptcy and
chaos, Putin restored Russia's economy and global stature on the
strength of one insight: the Russian people were the problem. After
centuries of Tsarist brutality and three generations of communist
terror, the Russian people had become a passive rabble incapable of
defending their interests. Yeltsin allowed a locust-swarm to steal
what remained of the Russian economy.
By harsh and extra-legal means, Putin reclaimed Russia's economy for
the state, creating a huge corpus of wealthy enemies ready to
subsidize any Western politician who wants to attack him. As I wrote a
year ago (Russia's Hudna with the Muslim world , February 21, 2007),
"The only leadership left in Russia by the terrible adverse selection
process of the communist system was the former secret guardians of the
state, men whose unique position required them to live by their wits."
The Americans, meanwhile, have met the enemy, and it is them. America
has coasted on a quarter-century wave of power and prosperity since
president Reagan won the Cold War and restarted the economy. America
in the 1980s was the only model to be emulated, and a magnet for
global capital flows. So compelling were American capital markets that
by the late 1990s, almost all the free savings of the world sought an
American home. In 2007 a trillion dollars of overseas capital poured
into American markets.
Americans no longer had to save; the rest of the world saved for them
and lent them money at the lowest interest rates in half a century.
Americans no longer had to study; engineers from India to Argentina
programmed their computers. And Americans no longer had to face a
strategic challenge; after the death of the Soviet Union, so
Washington believed, America need only export its self-image. Of all
the great illusions of the post-Cold War era, this has turned out to
be the most pernicious.
Like emerging Asia in the mid-1990s, Americans used cheap foreign
capital to make real-estate speculation into a national pastime. And
like Asia in 1997, there is no remedy but to let the sickening slide
of asset prices take its course, until the grasshoppers learn to work
and save like ants.(Western grasshoppers and Chinese ants , Sept 7,
2007). The Americans are poorer at the end of 2007 than they were a
year ago, and at the end of 2008 they will be much poorer still. They
will be beholden to the Gulf States, Singapore, China, Russia or
whomever can recapitalize a banking system that already may be
technically insolvent. They will import less and the Asian economies
will suffer.
Scores of millions who were wealthy on paper a year ago will be
penniless by the end of 2008. In the American states where home prices
rose the fastest - California, Florida, Arizona, and Nevada - prices
fell by almost a third during the year to September 30. American
equity prices already have fallen by 10% since last October. Both
residential and equity values are likely to fall much further before
the bloodletting is over.
The American economy emulated Samuel Beckett's absurdist play Waiting
for Godot, in which nothing happens, twice. The first occasion in
which nothing happened was the tech-stock bubble of 1997-2000.
Americans engaged in a collective delusion according to which infinite
wealth would be created on the Internet through shopping and salacious
entertainment. Perhaps if someone had perfected virtual-reality sex,
the stock price bubble might have continued, but the disappointment
attendant on the end of the illusion cut the value of American
equities by half.
The second occasion on which nothing happened was, of course, the
present subprime disaster. The world learned that it was dangerous to
buy risky American assets and chose instead to buy safe ones. The
trouble was that as a whole, the American public was engaged in
extremely risky behavior, that is, bidding up home prices with cheap
credit. The banks and credit rating agencies declared that a basket of
very risky assets could be turned into a very safe asset, by selling
off the part of the risk to speculators. This exercise turned out to
fall somewhere between the delusional and the fraudulent, as subprime
securities rated AA, the next-to-highest credit grade, now trade at
only 40 cents on the dollar.
One can excoriate the regulators who let this happen, or the banks who
skimmed fat commissions from the market, but the driver of both the
Internet bubble and the subprime bubble was the same: the desire of
the Americans to get something for nothing. Americans mistook the
one-time windfall ensuing from the Reagan revolution for a
Tischlein-Deck-Dich, the magic table of the Grimm fairy tale that
command lays out a marvellous meal.
The same mood of national narcissism brought about America's strategic
reverses. The rest of the world, Washington reasons, need only be like
us to live happily. Until the ghost of James Baker III possessed
Washington a year ago, through the installation of Robert Gates as
defense secretary, American policy was in the hands of the Sorcerer's
Apprentices of the Reagan years. America had the magic formula of the
1980s, they reckoned, and all they only needed to sprinkle the Fairy
Dust of democracy upon recalcitrant countries in order to make them
fly.
To prop up its failed Iraqi project until the November elections,
Washington has made material concessions to Iran and Syria, its worst
enemies. In return for restricting support for the Iraqi insurgencies
they incubated from the beginning, Iran has a free pass to continue
enriching uranium, and Syria has a free hand in Lebanon. America swore
that it would never permit Iranian nuclear development, and that it
would suppress the Iranian-Syrian puppet militia of Hezbollah in
Lebanon. It has done neither.
By endorsing the Islamists in Turkey as a force for democracy,
Washington has earned the contempt of the Islamists, as well as the
enmity of the secularists who feel betrayed (Why does Turkey hate
America? , Oct 23, 2007). But nothing compares to America's
humiliation in Pakistan. After sending the unfortunate Benazir Bhutto
to her death as the instrument of American democracy, Washington has
no choice but to cling all the harder to President Pervez Musharraf,
who everyone from Hillary Clinton to the taxi driver who took me to
the airport believes to be complicit it Bhutto's assassination.
The global "war on terror" has given birth to Islamist monsters in
Turkey, Pakistan, Lebanon, Gaza and Iraq. The so-called color
revolutions are stillborn. Lebanon's Cedar Revolution has none but
homonymic virtues, as the US State Department prepares to cede it to
Syria. But the single most stupid and destructive act of American
diplomacy in the past seven years has been the Orange Revolution in
the Ukraine, for it persuaded Putin never to trust the West under any
circumstances, ever again.
Putin understands how to exercise power. Unlike Iraq, the restive
Muslim province of Chechnya now nestles comfortably in Putin's palm,
albeit with about half the people it had a decade ago. Russian troops
killed between 35,000 and 100,000 civilians in the first Chechen war
of 1994-96, and half a million were driven from their homes, totaling
about half the population. But that is not what pacified Chechnya.
Putin bribed and bullied Chechnyan clans to do Russia's dirty work for
it, showing himself a master at the game of divide-and-conquer.
Working from a position of weakness, Russia's president is the closest
the modern world comes to the insidious strategic genius of a Cardinal
Richelieu.
That is the sort of strategic thinking America needs. So my
endorsement for the next president of the United States goes to
Vladimir Putin.
One final note - Putin doesn't speak much English. But that shouldn't
disqualify him. Neither does George W Bush.
Rod Speed
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:29:44 -0800 (PST), "frie...@zoocrewphoto.com"
> <frie...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 6, 1:42 pm, Bernardo Gui <waile2...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I think we're already seeing a backlash against your cat-killing
>>> and lead-painted products. Most certainly, chinese products will
>>> always be a significant part of what is available in the US, but
>>> there are companies who are already gearing-up with 'Made In The
>>> USA' labels. The toy market will only be the beginning. Smart
>>> consumers are beginning to realize that low prices are not the most
>>> important issue.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> After the pet food problems, the good cat food companies started
>> sending samples of their products to the cat shows. Everybody went
>> home with a variety of samples. I was able to test a variety of US
>> made, grain-free cat foods. A lot of people opted to spend more money
>> on expensive cat foods and never go back to the cheaper crap that may
>> end up with new problems in the future.
>>
>> I know I will not be able to avoid all Chinese products, but I
>> definetly will not by any food product that is known to have
>> ingredients from China. And given a choice in other products, I will
>> pick any country over China.
>>
>>
> ================================================
> Now that I've got everyone's attention its a good time to launch the real message.
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
No surprise that its got the bums rush and has to wipe its arse with newpaper.
<reams of its flagrantly dishonest spin flushed where it belongs>
val189
The Real Bev
> <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>PaPaPeng wrote:
>>
>>> By the way tech your children to play with their toys.
>>> They are not meant to be sucked on.
>>
>>That's what little kids do with their toys. Until recently it was safe
>>in civilized countries, who don't generally make a practice of killing
>>girl babies just because they're not boys.
>
> The toys that were recalled were meant for kids 6yrs and up.
I guess you forget about the phthalates (no, I'm NOT going to look up
the correct spelling) used to soften the plastic in baby chew-toys.
Might not have been a Chinese-only thing, though. Chinese companies, as
well as the other offshore manufacturers, make what American companies
specify. If the spec is for lead-based paint then it's our own fault.
> They
> shouldn't be sucking on toys by that age, least of all something so
> odd shaped as a locomotive. No wonder many of your people have such
> bad teeth.
You're confusing us with the Brits.
> Anyway I had been cranking you people up for amusement.
So glad you find international strife so amusing, we'll try to keep you
giggling. You probably want to try a few African countries next time
around, much better entertainment value.
--
Cheers,
Bev
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Tell him that the
government will give him lots of fish and he will vote for you forever.
When he doesn't get any fish, blame the other guys." --A Taxpayer
The Real Bev
> <frie...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 6, 1:42 pm, Bernardo Gui <waile2...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>> After the pet food problems, the good cat food companies started
>> sending samples of their products to the cat shows. Everybody went
>> home with a variety of samples. I was able to test a variety of US
>> made, grain-free cat foods. A lot of people opted to spend more money
>> on expensive cat foods and never go back to the cheaper crap that may
>> end up with new problems in the future.
How much can you learn from a free sample of cat food? I suspect it
takes a LONG time to determine the nourishment value (unless it contains
a quick-acting poison, of course) unless you have it analyzed by a food
lab, which doesn't seem like a practical solution.
> Can you recommend some brands? The pet food problem was especially troubling
> because it was (and still is) so difficult to know how to avoid the Chinese
> ingredients. OTOH, I hate spending money on food the cats don't like the
> taste of.
No cat ever starved to death because it didn't like the taste of the
food offered.
frie...@zoocrewphoto.com
> <fries...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
Innova is a great brand. Their evo version has no grains at all, but
both versions are safe as they do not use hinese suppliers.
Royal Canin is good too. They did have have two items that were
recalled, but they immediately quit using ingredients from China.
Those are the two brands of dry food that I use.
Other good dry foods are:
Natural Balance
Eagle Pack
Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul
Diamond
Precise
California something
There are more, but I don't have all of the samples still. If you have
any local cat shows, you can go and see what samples they have there
for free. Send me an email offlist, and I can help you find some cat
shows. (frie...@zoocrewphoto.com)
As for wet food, any of the above brands. And a bunch more. My cats
are really picky and only like Fancy Feast (none of which were
recalled). To be safe, check the ingredients list for wheat gluten.
Usually, the canned foods with sliced meats or gravy will have the
weat gluten.
Also, check out your area for a specialty pet store. The big stores
like Petco and Petsmart will carry some of these brands. But not as
many. The specialty stores are more like a health store. They tend to
skip the crappy brands and go with the good brands.
Some of these companies will also allow you to buy them in larger bags
via mail and get a better price on them. Or, if you can buy them at a
cat show, they reps will usually have a discount on them.
frie...@zoocrewphoto.com
> Chloe wrote:
> > <fries...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 6, 1:42 pm, Bernardo Gui <waile2...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> >> After the pet food problems, the good cat food companies started
> >> sending samples of their products to the cat shows. Everybody went
> >> home with a variety of samples. I was able to test a variety of US
> >> made, grain-free cat foods. A lot of people opted to spend more money
> >> on expensive cat foods and never go back to the cheaper crap that may
> >> end up with new problems in the future.
>
> How much can you learn from a free sample of cat food? I suspect it
> takes a LONG time to determine the nourishment value (unless it contains
> a quick-acting poison, of course) unless you have it analyzed by a food
> lab, which doesn't seem like a practical solution.
>
The nutrition is listed in the bag. The sample is to make sure your
cat likes it and doesn't have any problems with it such as allergies.
A food can be a high quality food, and there will still be cats who
either don't like it or don't do well on it.
When I say I tested the food, I tested which kinds my cats like, and
those are the kinds I buy now. Royal Canin Maine Coon and Innova Evo.
Both went over well with my cats. They both have great coats, no
diarhea or poop problems (cheap food gives Jay Jay really stinky
poop).
I did get some samples that were not well liked, so I was able to try
them out without having to buy a larger bag and waste my money.
> > Can you recommend some brands? The pet food problem was especially troubling
> > because it was (and still is) so difficult to know how to avoid the Chinese
> > ingredients. OTOH, I hate spending money on food the cats don't like the
> > taste of.
>
> No cat ever starved to death because it didn't like the taste of the
> food offered.
>
Are you sure about that? A lot of older cats waste away because they
are pickier about food and refuse to eat what is served. It is a very
common problem in older cats, finding something that the cat will eat
on a daily basis.
That is actually what killed my cat. She was not eating any of the
foods that I had, so I started buying a variety of brands and flavors
to find something she would eat. Some of the cans i bought later ended
up on the recall list.
Many of the cats who died were cast who were older or recently sick,
and so they didn't have a strong enough system to clear the poison,
while other cats in the same household just had minor symptoms and
recovered.
My cat had bloodwork that showed normal kidney values, yet she died 3
days later of kidney failure. She died before the big news outbreak,
and it was a real mystery how a cat could die of kidney failure so
quickly after having normal kidney values. It was only after the
recall notice that it became clear to the vets why the kidneys were
failing so quickly in so many cats.
PaPaPeng
<gweh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Rave on .....I won't be convinced.
>
>
>
Of course not. No one should change one's mind that easily. But what
a good article does is to make one think of alternative scenarios on
positions we take for granted. Here's another one that should be non
offensive yet intellectually stimulating.
Second thoughts on life, the universe and everything by world's best
brains
The changes of mind that gave philosophers and scientists new insights
"
"
o James Randerson, science correspondent
o The Guardian,
o Tuesday January 1 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jan/01/sciencenews.evolution
They are the intellectual elite, the brains the rest of us rely on to
make sense of the universe and answer the big questions. But in a
refreshing show of new year humility, the world's best thinkers have
admitted that from time to time even they are forced to change their
minds.
When tackling subjects as diverse as human evolution, the laws of
physics and sexual politics, scientists and philosophers, including
Steven Pinker, Daniel Dennett, Paul Davies and Richard Wrangham, all
confessed yesterday to a change of heart.
The display of scientific modesty was brought about by the annual new
year's question posed by the website edge.org, which drew responses
from more than 120 of the world's greatest thinkers.
Edge's publisher, John Brockman, asked the intellectual cream what
they had changed their mind about and why. "Science is based on
evidence. What happens when the data change? How have scientific
findings or arguments changed your mind?" said the brief.
A common theme in the responses is that what distinguishes science
from other forms of knowledge and from faith is that new ideas can
rapidly overturn old ones as new evidence emerges. So there's nothing
to be ashamed about in admitting an intellectual switch. Some
responses, such as Dennett's change of heart on how the mind works,
resist paraphrasing in 100 words, but here is a selection of the rest.
What was the turning point in human evolution?
Richard Wrangham, British anthropologist who studied under Jane
Goodall. Now at Harvard University, his research includes primate
behaviour and human evolution.
"I used to think that human origins were explained by meat-eating.
After all, the idea that meat-eating launched humanity has been the
textbook evolutionary story for decades, mooted even before Darwin was
born.
"But in a rethinking of conventional wisdom I now think that cooking
was the major advance that turned ape into human ... Cooked food is
the signature feature of human diet. It not only makes our food safe
and easy to eat, but it also grants us large amounts of energy
compared to a raw diet, obviating the need to ingest big meals.
Cooking softens food too, thereby making eating so speedy that as
eaters of cooked food, we are granted many extra hours of free time
every day."
Why do men dominate society?
Helena Cronin, philosopher at the London School of Economics and
director of Darwin@LSE, a research group devoted to what Darwinism can
tell us about human nature.
"I used to think that patterns of sex differences resulted mainly from
average differences between men and women in innate talents, tastes
and temperaments ... Add to this some bias and barriers - a sexist
attitude here, a lack of childcare there - and the sex differences are
explained. Or so I thought ... But they alone don't fully explain the
differences ... Females are much of a muchness, clustering round the
mean. But, among males, the variance - the difference between the most
and the least, the best and the worst - can be vast.
"So males are almost bound to be over-represented both at the bottom
and at the top. I think of this as 'more dumbbells but more Nobels'...
Unfortunately, however, this is not the prevailing perspective in
current debates, particularly where policy is concerned."
Are there genetic differences between "races"?
Mark Pagel, evolutionary biologist at Reading University. His research
includes work on language and cultural evolution.
"Flawed as the old ideas about race are, modern genomic studies reveal
a surprising, compelling and different picture of human genetic
diversity. We are on average about 99.5% similar to each other
genetically. This is a new figure, down from the previous estimate of
99.9%. To put what may seem like minuscule differences in perspective,
we are somewhere around 98.5% similar, maybe more, to chimpanzees, our
nearest evolutionary relatives.
"The new figure for us, then, is significant. It derives from among
other things, many small genetic differences that have emerged from
studies that compare human populations ... Like it or not, there may
be many genetic differences among human populations - including
differences that may even correspond to old categories of "race" -
that are real differences in the sense of making one group better than
another at responding to some particular environmental problem.
"This in no way says one group is in general "superior" to another ...
But it warns us that we must be prepared to discuss genetic
differences among human populations.
Are humans still evolving?
Steven Pinker, leading psychologist and language expert at Harvard
University. Author of The Language Instinct and The Blank Slate.
"I've had to question the overall assumption that human evolution
pretty much stopped by the time of the agricultural revolution ... New
[laboratory] results have suggested that thousands of genes, perhaps
as much as 10% of the human genome, have been under strong recent
selection, and the selection may even have accelerated during the past
several thousand years ... If these results hold up, and apply to
psychologically relevant brain function ... then the field of
evolutionary psychology might have to reconsider the simplifying
assumption that biological evolution was pretty much over and done
with 10-000-50,000 years ago."
Is the universe flat?
Laurence Krauss, physicist at Case Western Reserve University and
prominent opponent of the Intelligent Design movement. His books
include The Physics of Star Trek.
"I was relatively certain that there was precisely enough matter in
the universe to make it geometrically flat ... according to general
relativity [geometrically flat] means there is a precise balance
between the positive kinetic energy associated with the expansion of
space, and the negative potential energy associated with the
gravitational attraction of matter in the universe so that the total
energy is precisely zero ... We are now pretty sure that the dominant
energy-stuff in our universe isn't normal matter, and isn't dark
matter, but rather is associated with empty space! And what is worse
(or better, depending upon your viewpoint) is that our whole picture
of the possible future of the universe has changed. An accelerating
universe will carry away almost everything we now see, so that in the
far future our galaxy will exist alone in a dark, and seemingly
endless void. And that is what I find so satisfying about science ...
that the whole community could throw out a cherished notion, and so
quickly! That is what makes science different than religion."
Should we use brain-boosting drugs?
Philip Campbell, editor-in-chief of the leading scientific journal
Nature
"I've changed my mind about the use of enhancement drugs by healthy
people. A year ago, if asked, I'd have been against the idea, whereas
now I think there's much to be said for it. The ultimate test of such
a change of mind is how I'd feel if my offspring (both adults) went
down that road, and my answer is that with tolerable risks of side
effects and zero risk of addiction, then I'd feel OK if there was an
appropriate purpose to it ... Research and societal discussions are
necessary before cognitive enhancement drugs should be made legally
available for the healthy, but I now believe that that is the right
direction in which to head.
Does God exist?
Alan Alda, perhaps best-known as Hawkeye in the 70s series MASH. He
now hosts Scientific American Frontiers on US television.
"Until I was 20 I was sure there was a being who could see everything
I did and who didn't like most of it. He seemed to care about minute
aspects of my life, like on what day of the week I ate a piece of
meat. And yet, he let earthquakes and mudslides take out whole
communities, apparently ignoring the saints among them who ate their
meat on the assigned days. Eventually, I realised that I didn't
believe there was such a being ... I still don't like the word
agnostic. It's too fancy. I'm simply not a believer."
Chloe
news:2ace0655-e603-4738...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Thanks, I know where and when the cat show is! Appreciate all the advice. My
cats are big into Fancy Feast, too. I may just stick with that, but I'll
keep an eye out for some of the others.
>
The Real Bev
> On Jan 7, 11:01 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No cat ever starved to death because it didn't like the taste of the
>> food offered.
>
> Are you sure about that? A lot of older cats waste away because they
> are pickier about food and refuse to eat what is served.
I don't even play a vet on TV but I truly can not imagine an animal
choosing to starve rather than eat something it finds less than perfect,
especially something as focused on its own survival as a cat. I can
believe that a near-death cat might be too tired to eat, though...
> It is a very
> common problem in older cats, finding something that the cat will eat
> on a daily basis.
My daughter's cat is 17. He's eaten whatever Costco sells in 50-pound
bags all his life and seems to be in perfect health -- at least he can
still wake up and beat the shit out of the Dachshund if it makes
injudicious moves too close to him. He, the middle cat, the two kittens
and the dog all eat the same food. Fill up the dishes when they're
empty, fill up the water dispensers when they're empty. Animal feeding
problem solved.
--
Cheers, Bev
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"I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect
our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security."
--Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.
PaPaPeng
<bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>So glad you find international strife so amusing, we'll try to keep you
>giggling. You probably want to try a few African countries next time
>around, much better entertainment value.
>
>--
China hasn't fought a war for over three decades now and does not have
troops in occupation in foreign countries. The international strife
you refer to is created entirely by the US.
When Americans treat their cats better than what an African or Iraqi
widow can get to feed her extended family there is something very
amiss about your (America's) sense of values and outrage.
The Africans have more than three centuries' experience of European
exploitation and rape of their lands. They will be able to recognize
well what the new Chinese presence in their continent and in their
countries will be in comparison. In this day of instant global
communications from home computers and by telephone no systemic abuse
can remain hidden for long. And the Western media is more than eager
to highlight any missteps China may make in the world and in Africa.
Chinese methods are "works in progress" and will always be so. There
is no grand plan with an ideology behind it except state to state
engagement as equals and no inteference in each other's affairs. This
is a simple concept the US has not accepted yet and thus created for
herself unecessary problems that identifies any country not
subservient to the US as unfriendly and to be penalized in some
manner.
There will be cases of local riots against Chinese enterprises,
especially among the many small traders who feel they can do what the
Chinese are doing and do not want the Chinese competition. On
principle I am against Chinese immigrants doing small business in
Africa as indeed these low skill level and low capital requirement
businesses should be promoted as native enterprises if the locals are
ever going to acquire the skills and accumulate the capital to rise
above their poverty. But at present only these Chinese mom and pop
shops have the skills, the small capital and the business connections
to operate in poor African communities. My prediction is that the
current (Chinese) pioneers will move up the value chain to become
import-export agents and wholesalers. Later small (Chinese immigrant)
mom and pop startups will soon find it hard to travel the same path as
locals take over those opportunities, with credit and goods supplied
by the local based Chinese enterprises.
There will be unhappiness against Chinese turnkey projects be this be
in infrastucture development or in resource extraction. But these are
complaints about not creating enough jobs for the locals. The Chinese
will have to allow and adjust for inefficiencies and inexperience in
employing more locals. Its a cost of doing business not one of
systemic exploitation and abuse. It will not be one of bribing local
warlords to suppress their workers.
Quote:[China-Africa Cooperation to Break "Products-for-resources"
Doctrine
January 6, 2006
http://english.people.com.cn/200701/06/eng20070106_338722.html
In his office in Harare, Frank Wu oversees a team of local
administrative staff that run his company, Shomet Industry Development
-- one of the largest Chinese companies in Zimbabwe.
Wu was sent to Zimbabwe in 1999 as an employee of a state-owned
Chinese enterprise. Two years later, he left the company to start up
his own business in the country.
At that time, when some farmers that had benefited from the Zimbabwean
land reforms wanted to increase production, Wu found that agricultural
machines were badly needed. He bought up some used machines and
materials, and managed to re-equip and design them all by himself.
Orders started to flood in and along with it, loans from local banks,
helping to grow his business.
After its initial success, Wu's company then entered into the local
construction, engineering, transportation and furniture sectors. Now
all of Wu's businesses have been thriving. Every month he pays wages
to nearly 400 local employees, each from 100 to 500 U.S. dollars,
compared with the country's annual GDP of no more than 300 U.S.
dollars per capita.
Wu lives with his family in Zimbabwe, so he has only been back to
China once since they moved. "When I had just started up my business,
I could not afford the air tickets, but now I do not have time to go
back", said Wu.
However, Frank Wu is not alone -- over 5,300 Chinese-born citizens
currently reside in Zimbabwe, helping him to find an outlet with which
to disperse his nostalgic mood.
....more]
You have already lost the battle for the Continent's hearts. Like you
they find Chinese products irresistible. But more so they will find
them necessities for China brings them modern everyday goods that they
could never access let alone afford before. With those simple
necessities as a sharp knife, good cooking utensils, a bicycle, cheap
but good handtools and farm implements, shoes, clothes, pen, pencils,
notebooks, the stuff you find in Dollar Stores, they can improve the
quality of their lives in small manageable increments and free of any
government intervention.
The battle for minds will follow as they examine the Chinese model on
strategies for economic development and poverty allievation.
Read these two articles for background.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17438997/site/newsweek/
The Sky Isn't Falling in China
The day after the Shanghai stock market fell, we saw again all the
same warnings about the Chinese system and the odds of its collapse.
By Fareed Zakaria
Newsweek
Does Communism Work After All?
By Andreas Lorenz and Wieland Wagner
February 27, 2007
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,465007,00.html
China is securing an ever-bigger share of the world market with the
methods of a planned economy. Competitors and economists alike are
astounded by the country's seemingly unstoppable march to becoming a
global economic superpower. The development has left many wondering:
Does communism work after all?
Rod Speed
> The Real Bev <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote
>> So glad you find international strife so amusing, we'll try to
>> keep you giggling. You probably want to try a few African
>> countries next time around, much better entertainment value.
> China hasn't fought a war for over three decades now
And got a VERY bloody nose when they were stupid enough to try it with Vietnam the last time.
> and does not have troops in occupation in foreign countries.
Bare faced lie with Tibet.
> The international strife you refer to is created entirely by the US.
Another bare faced lie.
> When Americans treat their cats better than what an African or
> Iraqi widow can get to feed her extended family there is something
> very amiss about your (America's) sense of values and outrage.
Corse no chinese has ever done anything like that eh ?
> The Africans have more than three centuries' experience
> of European exploitation and rape of their lands.
And countrys around china much longer than that too.
> They will be able to recognize well what the new Chinese presence
> in their continent and in their countries will be in comparison.
Pity about Tibet.
> In this day of instant global communications from home computers
> and by telephone no systemic abuse can remain hidden for long.
Yeah, thats why we are aware of what china gets up to in Tibet.
> And the Western media is more than eager to highlight
> any missteps China may make in the world and in Africa.
And so are the inhabitants of Tibet.
> Chinese methods are "works in progress" and will always be so.
Just as true of every other country.
> There is no grand plan with an ideology behind it except state to state
> engagement as equals and no inteference in each other's affairs.
Another bare faced lie with Tibet.
> This is a simple concept the US has not accepted yet
Its a bare faced lie with Tibet.
> and thus created for herself unecessary problems that identifies any country
> not subservient to the US as unfriendly and to be penalized in some manner.
Pity about Tibet.
> There will be cases of local riots against Chinese enterprises,
> especially among the many small traders who feel they can do what
> the Chinese are doing and do not want the Chinese competition.
And plenty of countrys regard the chinese as as bad as jews.
> On principle I am against Chinese immigrants doing small business
> in Africa as indeed these low skill level and low capital requirement
> businesses should be promoted as native enterprises if the locals
> are ever going to acquire the skills and accumulate the capital to
> rise above their poverty. But at present only these Chinese mom
> and pop shops have the skills, the small capital and the business
> connections to operate in poor African communities.
Bare faced racist lie.
> My prediction is that the current (Chinese) pioneers will move up
> the value chain to become import-export agents and wholesalers.
> Later small (Chinese immigrant) mom and pop startups will soon
> find it hard to travel the same path as locals take over those
> opportunities, with credit and goods supplied by the local based
> Chinese enterprises.
Yep, the chinese have one hell of a capacity for getting up everyone's nose.
> There will be unhappiness against Chinese turnkey projects be
> this be in infrastucture development or in resource extraction.
Yep, even the stupidest locals can work out why the chinese are involved.
> But these are complaints about not creating enough jobs
> for the locals. The Chinese will have to allow and adjust for
> inefficiencies and inexperience in employing more locals.
How odd that they havent bothered to do that in Tibet.
> Its a cost of doing business not one of systemic exploitation and abuse.
Bare faced lie with Tibet.
> It will not be one of bribing local warlords to suppress their workers.
We'll see...
> Quote:[China-Africa Cooperation to Break "Products-for-resources" Doctrine
> January 6, 2006
> http://english.people.com.cn/200701/06/eng20070106_338722.html
> In his office in Harare, Frank Wu oversees a team of local
> administrative staff that run his company, Shomet Industry
> Development -- one of the largest Chinese companies in Zimbabwe.
Which just happens to be involved in propping up the Mugabe regime...
> Wu was sent to Zimbabwe in 1999 as an employee of a
> state-owned Chinese enterprise. Two years later, he left
> the company to start up his own business in the country.
> At that time, when some farmers that had benefited from the
> Zimbabwean land reforms wanted to increase production, Wu
> found that agricultural machines were badly needed. He bought
> up some used machines and materials, and managed to re-equip
> and design them all by himself.
Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> Orders started to flood in and along with it, loans
> from local banks, helping to grow his business.
> After its initial success, Wu's company then entered
> into the local construction, engineering, transportation
> and furniture sectors. Now all of Wu's businesses have
> been thriving. Every month he pays wages to nearly 400
> local employees, each from 100 to 500 U.S. dollars,
What a fucking arsehole exploiter.
> compared with the country's annual GDP
> of no more than 300 U.S. dollars per capita.
Because the country is an economic basket case, fool.
> Wu lives with his family in Zimbabwe, so he has only been back to China
> once since they moved. "When I had just started up my business, I could
> not afford the air tickets, but now I do not have time to go back", said Wu.
> However, Frank Wu is not alone -- over 5,300 Chinese-born
> citizens currently reside in Zimbabwe, helping him to find an
> outlet with which to disperse his nostalgic mood.
You'll have to pardon us while we have a quiet retch...
> You have already lost the battle for the Continent's hearts.
You clowns in spades in Tibet.
> Like you they find Chinese products irresistible. But more so they
> will find them necessities for China brings them modern everyday
> goods that they could never access let alone afford before.
Another pig ignorant bare faced lie.
> With those simple necessities as a sharp knife, good cooking utensils,
> a bicycle, cheap but good handtools and farm implements, shoes,
> clothes, pen, pencils, notebooks, the stuff you find in Dollar Stores,
> they can improve the quality of their lives in small manageable
> increments and free of any government intervention.
That last is another pig ignorant bare faced lie.
> The battle for minds will follow as they examine the Chinese model
> on strategies for economic development and poverty allievation.
Just like china has done in Tibet eh ?
> Read these two articles for background.
No thanks.
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17438997/site/newsweek/
> The Sky Isn't Falling in China
> The day after the Shanghai stock market fell, we saw again all the
> same warnings about the Chinese system and the odds of its collapse.
> By Fareed Zakaria
> Newsweek
> Does Communism Work After All?
Clowns wouldnt know what real communism was if it bit them on their collective lard arses.
> By Andreas Lorenz and Wieland Wagner
> February 27, 2007
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,465007,00.html
> China is securing an ever-bigger share of the world
> market with the methods of a planned economy.
Wrong with that last claim.
> Competitors and economists alike are astounded by the country's
> seemingly unstoppable march to becoming a global economic
> superpower. The development has left many wondering:
> Does communism work after all?
Clowns wouldnt know what real communism was if it bit them on their collective lard arses.
The Real Bev
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:55:07 -0800, The Real Bev
> <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>So glad you find international strife so amusing, we'll try to keep you
>>giggling. You probably want to try a few African countries next time
>>around, much better entertainment value.
>>
>>--
> China hasn't fought a war for over three decades now and does not have
> troops in occupation in foreign countries. The international strife
> you refer to is created entirely by the US.
You misunderstand. I was objecting to you making anti-American jokes
about allowing our children to chew toys at the advanced age of 6, which
I deem to be a much less vicious method of child-rearing than the
practice of killing unwanted girl babies. You then said that you had
been "cranking you people up for amusement". I figure that if you find
injured and/or dying children a source of amusement, you might enjoy a
trip to some of the African countries.
Did I miss something?
> When Americans treat their cats better than what an African or Iraqi
> widow can get to feed her extended family there is something very
> amiss about your (America's) sense of values and outrage.
I have no control over African or Iraqui widows. Nor do I have a cat or
dog.
> The Africans have more than three centuries' experience of European
> exploitation and rape of their lands.
I'n mot a European. Neither were my parents. My grandparents came to
the US from Germany, Norway and Sweden as children. To the best of my
knowledge, none of them raped anyone or anything in Africa. Moreover,
I'm pretty sure I derive minimal or no benefit at all from anything that
happens in Africa and probably suffer actual losses incurred when my tax
money is spent to shore up otherwise untenable African institutions.
Short version: Not my problem.
> They will be able to recognize
> well what the new Chinese presence in their continent and in their
> countries will be in comparison.
Yes, they will soon see that their well-paying jobs as well as their
minimum-wage manufacturing jobs are being exported to China.
> In this day of instant global
> communications from home computers and by telephone no systemic abuse
> can remain hidden for long. And the Western media is more than eager
> to highlight any missteps China may make in the world and in Africa.
I'm sure that the Mainland Chinese are equally able to publicize
American and European missteps in Africa. Oh, they're not? Curious...
I observe that you use American software and post from a Canadian ISP.
Is there some reason you aren't still in China? Not that you're not
welcome in North America -- after all, Chinese food is for the most part
very good, although I regard the consumption of a fish fried and eaten
while it's still alive to be a bit over the top -- but it wouldn't hurt
to be a bit more polite to your hosts. After all, in the words of John
Steinbeck, "If you're hustling a state you should do honor to that
state."[1]
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Bev
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[1] Sweet Thursday:
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> When Americans treat their cats better than what an African or Iraqi
> widow can get to feed her extended family there is something very
> amiss about your (America's) sense of values and outrage.
Good job! I haven't seen a troll quite that nice since Elaine Gallegos
left--and that was years ago.
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PaPa...@yahoo.com says...
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:55:07 -0800, The Real Bev
> <bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >So glad you find international strife so amusing, we'll try to keep you
> >giggling. You probably want to try a few African countries next time
> >around, much better entertainment value.
> China hasn't fought a war for over three decades now and does not have
> troops in occupation in foreign countries.
So they are just visiting Tibet? As tourists?
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> I don't even play a vet on TV but I truly can not imagine an animal
> choosing to starve rather than eat something it finds less than perfect,
> especially something as focused on its own survival as a cat. I can
> believe that a near-death cat might be too tired to eat, though...
Older cats lose their interest in food in general. It takes a lot more
to stimulate their pappetite. Yes, they will turn down food that used
to be their favorite food.
Also, cats who stop eating (for any reason) and don't start eating on
their own within a few days can get sick and die of fatty liver
syndrome. They require medication and/or forced feeding to restart the
appetite. It is very dangerous if a cat stops eating. The physical
response from not eating actually makes them sick and not want to
eat.
I have also seen a dog who would rather go without food than cross
linoleum floor. She had multiple fears when I got her, and she would
pace back and forth for hours while the food bowl was only 2 feet in
front of her. We were told she would get over it, but even after
several hours of pacing, she would not cross it. If we put her on the
linoleum, she would stiffen up and shake.
Sometimes, survival instincts are overuled by fears or physical
issues.
>
> My daughter's cat is 17. He's eaten whatever Costco sells in 50-pound
> bags all his life and seems to be in perfect health -- at least he can
> still wake up and beat the shit out of the Dachshund if it makes
> injudicious moves too close to him.
Maynard was great at age 17 too. He died 10 days before his 19th
birthday. He had liver failure, and showed signs only 3 days before he
died.
He did lose weight a lot over the past year, so I had to give him a
lot of special foods and heat them so that the smell was stronger.
I'm not wishing anything bad on you, but eventually, you will find
that your cat does not eat as eagerly, and the weight loss will begin.
It is very common in older cats, and you will find that he will turn
down food that he has always liked.
I would not have been feeding Kira food that later ended up on the
recall list if she had continued to eat food that she liked for the
previous 12 years. But when they start turning their nose at
everything, and you see them lose 2 lbs (when they only weighed 8 lbs
to begin with), you know you have to find something else for them to
eat.