I found natural cures for gout un-frugal
James
effective they cost a lot more than cheap generic drugs used for
effective treatment.
The other benefit to me using cheap drugs is I can enjoy eating what I
like instead of a very restricted diet.
I'm still looking for an effective natual cure. So far things that
didn't work for me includes concentrated cherry juice, baking soda,
meatless diet.
tmc...@searchmachine.com
Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
with
carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
will
vanish.
Dave
with
carbs. Cut the carbs, consume only moderate alcohol, and the gout
will
vanish.
My diet is almost zero carbs, and I don't drink (haven't since I was a
teenager). I'm starting to get gout. I guess you've just proved the OP's
point. -Dave
Vic Smith
>
>
>If you have gout get Gout Out!
>
Why haven't I yet heard Billy Mays say that?
--Vic
notbob
> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol along
> with
> carbs.
What the Hell else it there?
James Silverton
>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol
>> along with carbs.
> What the Hell else is there?
The idea that debauchery produces gout is an ancient one that makes
those that don't have gout feel good:-)
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
cybercat
"James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.not> wrote in message
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> notbob wrote on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:39 GMT:
>
>>> Gout happens when you consume too much protein, fat, alcohol
>>> along with carbs.
>
>> What the Hell else is there?
>
> The idea that debauchery produces gout is an ancient one that makes those
> that don't have gout feel good:-)
>
> --
Well, I for one think debauchery would make it more worthwhile than eating
too many chicken legs.
Mark Thorson
First, gout is a serious condition and you should
be under the care of a doctor. But having said that,
I must admit I've had many gout attacks and I've never
seen a doctor for it.
Drink lots of water, stay off the affected joint, and
avoid the foods that cause gout. (Unless you have
some sort of kidney problem, in which case drinking
water may be the worst thing you can do. Drinking
water is helpful only if you are having no problem
generating and passing urine.)
Gout is caused by accumulation of insoluble uric acid
crystals in the joints, which in turn is caused by
overloading your kidneys with organic nitrogen.
Normally, the kidneys send nitrogenous waste out
of the body as urea in the urine. But when they
get overloaded due to impaired kidney function or
eating too much nitrogen-containing food, the body
has to put that nitrogen somewhere, and it ends up
as uric acid crystals usually in the toes or feet.
(Uric acid is more familiar as the white part of
bird droppings.)
Like frostbite, working the affected tissue causes
the crystals to grind against the tissues, damaging
them. At the FIRST sign of gout, stay off the
affected joints. Otherwise, you will later feel
much more pain.
The foods which contribute to gout are rich in
protein or nucleic acids (or both). At the FIRST
sign of gout, immediately stop eating these foods.
Protein-rich foods are meat, eggs, and cheese.
Egg yolks and ripened cheeses (any aged cheese).
pack a particularly strong gout-producing punch.
Continue to avoid these foods until the gout is
COMPLETELY gone. Some of my worst flare-ups have
occurred by going back to eating meat too soon
after an attack.
By avoiding the gout-producing foods and drinking lots
of water, I've been free of flare-ups for the last
8 years -- longer than any earlier period of my adult
life. Rarely, I get a few warning signs of gout,
but by immediately responding to these signs,
I've avoided any flare-ups since the fall of 2000.
However, gout can be a sign of a much more
serious problem, kidney disease. That's why you
should be checked out by a doctor if you have gout.
In my case, I know that every attack was precipitated
by eating too much meat or cheese. Often, I remember
asking myself whether eating this would cause gout,
as I ate the food I suspected might precipitate
another attack.
It seems that with every flare-up, some permanent
damage is done, making subsequent flare-ups more
likely to occur and more painful.
There is a natural drug used for gout -- colchicine.
The corm (tuber-like enlarged underground stem) of
the crocus is rich in colchicine, but dosage control
is important. You'd be nuts to try to self-medicate
for gout with saffron corms. I would be reluctant
to use pharmaceutical colchicine, because it is
believed to work by inhibiting a fundamentally important
cellular function (microtubule assembly), which seems
like an awfully critical system to mess with if you
can avoid it. (Make no mistake -- the pain can be
intense -- I wouldn't fault anyone for grasping at
any possibility for its relief.)
Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
Here's a good page about colchicine:
http://www.phc.vcu.edu/Feature/oldfeature/colchicine/colchicine.html
And here's a letter about the critical importance of dose:
CurlyQue
>
> Aspirin helps a lot. Advil works even better.
>
> Here's a good page about colchicine:
Alloprurinol works the best and doesn't cost much more then aspirin.
Curly
Mark Thorson
I only mentioned colchicine because the original poster
asked for a natural cure.
CurlyQue
Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
won't go anywhere near it myself.
Curly
Mark Thorson
I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
my gout through diet. I especially would not use
an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
high-risk foods.
James
My medication includes colchicine & allopurinol. I didn't have an
attack for years so I stop taking them. My current attack happened
after 3 straight days of all you can eat during father's day weekend.
They had all those sales on steaks and shellfish. I thought I'd try
some of the home cures. Bottom line is for me gout is one disease
that is better treated with colchicine & allopurinol.
clams_casino
>Packaging; cardboard and styrofoam.
>
>
>
>
Best part of McDonalds.
Sky
Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
effects.
Sky, who's no doctor
--
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Dimitri
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Just where did you get your medical degree - from a cracker jack box?
--
Old Scoundrel
(AKA Dimitri)
http://www.arthritisinsight.com/medical/disease/gout.html
Causes of Gout
This is one of the few types of arthritis where the cause is known. It
results from deposits of needle-like crystals of uric acid in the connective
tissue, joint spaces, or both. Normally this is a byproduct of the breakdown
of purines or waste products in the body. Normally uric acid breaks down in
the blood and is eliminated in urine. When the body increases its production
of uric acid or if the kidneys do not eliminate enough of it from the body,
levels build up. This is called hyperuricemia. Hyperuricemia is not a
disease and is not dangerous. However, if excess uric acid crystals form as
a result of hyperuricemia, gout can develop.
Foods that Cause Gout
Some people may benefit from a reduction of purine rich foods. These include
beer and other alcoholic beverages, anchovies, sardines (in oil), fish roes,
herring, yeast, organ meats (e.g., liver, kidneys), legumes (e.g., dried
beans, peas, and soybeans), meat extracts, consommé, gravies, mushrooms,
spinach, asparagus, cauliflower, and poultry. Weight loss can help reduce
uric acid levels in those people that are overweight.
Gout Treatment
Although there is no cure, most people with gout can keep it under control
and lead normal lives. Treatment may consist of one treatment or a
combination of treatments.
The Real Bev
>
> If you have gout get Gout Out!
If you've GOT gout get Gout Out. Now.
--
Cheers,
Bev
==================================================================
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simply didn't give a flying fuck as long as the sheep kept buying
their shit. Now, I'm convinced that they really do ship the best
products they are capable of writing, and *that's* tragic."
- John C. Randolph, about MS quality control.
Goomba
>> Yes that's correct, however, 'natural' or not, colchicine is nasty stuff
>> with far more potential negative side effects then allopurinol and I
>> won't go anywhere near it myself.
>>
>> Curly
>
> Not to mention, colchicine can be toxic with potentially lethal
> effects.
>
> Sky, who's no doctor
>
For those unaware, colchicine and allopurinol work in entirely different
ways. One helps you pass excess uric acid out of your body, and the
other works to block production of uric acid, which explains why some
folks take one medication routinely and the other on an "as needed" basis.
I can't say I've actually ever had a patient with toxicity issues to the
cochicine? We used to dose it until they hit the point of gastric
distress (diarrhea).
I'd personally take allopurinol and colchacine before steroids, if I had
gout.
Dimitri
"Goomba" <Goom...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Yea but 100MG of (banned) VIOXX and the gout was gone the next morning.
The only thing the worked that quick and they pulled it.
CRAP!
James
> "Goomba" <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
What about the swelling?
Nancy Young
"Dimitri" <Dimi...@prodigy.net> wrote
> Yea but 100MG of (banned) VIOXX and the gout was gone the next morning.
>
> The only thing the worked that quick and they pulled it.
>
> CRAP!
Wasn't that the stuff giving people heart attacks? I'd rather you
deal with the gout than we lose you.
nancy, selfish
nicks...@ece.villanova.edu
Given gout, get Gout Out.
Nick
notbob
Screw off! It's a scam by crooks not even reputable enough to be called
quacks.
nb
CurlyQue
Different strokes.....
Without braunschweiger sandwiches, my life isn't worth living.
Curly
Dennis
<bashley1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>lis...@privacy.net wrote:
>
>>
>> If you have gout get Gout Out!
>
>If you've GOT gout get Gout Out. Now.
I'm confused -- how do I apply it?
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
Steve Pope
>I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
>my gout through diet.
You got some amazing pain tolerance then.
>I especially would not use
>an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
>high-risk foods.
I agree that one can be better off addressing such issues with
diet where possible. But it's unclear whether you can
*know* you're fully controlling it, since disease progress
may not be causing overt symptoms.
Steve
Mark Thorson
>
> Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >I never use any anti-gout drug, because I can control
> >my gout through diet.
>
> You got some amazing pain tolerance then.
I haven't had any significant pain in 8 years.
I have had the occasional warning sign of soreness
just barely perceptible, which I use as a sign
to go on a strict anti-gout diet. Pretty much
every time that happens, it's because I strayed
from my meat-eating guidelines.
> >I especially would not use
> >an anti-gout drug just to allow myself to eat more
> >high-risk foods.
>
> I agree that one can be better off addressing such issues with
> diet where possible. But it's unclear whether you can
> *know* you're fully controlling it, since disease progress
> may not be causing overt symptoms.
I've never heard of sub-clinical crypto-gout.
I know fairly accurately how much meat I can
eat in a day. It's about 5 ounces of fresh
meat. I eat about 3 ounces. That's one
sausage, half a steak, or a small piece of
fish.
Steve Pope
>Steve Pope wrote:
>> I agree that one can be better off addressing such issues with
>> diet where possible. But it's unclear whether you can
>> *know* you're fully controlling it, since disease progress
>> may not be causing overt symptoms.
>I've never heard of sub-clinical crypto-gout.
"Joint damage progresses and may continue even between flares.
Clinical research suggests that monosodium urate crystals persist
as long as hyperuricemia persists."
http://www.gout.com/professional/gout_information/gout_progression.aspx
The risk, I think, is osteoarthritis secondary to gout/hyperuricemia.
One could experience a progressive cartilage deficit in a joint or
joints without symptoms for quite some time.
Not trying to be alarmist, and statements like the above quote
may not be truly evidence-based, just pointing to the possible
benefits of uricemia treatment or, at least, monitoring.
Steve
James
> On 2008-07-22, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > (Other than it's a coin made of certain
> > metals that you carry in your pocket. :-)
>
> It's just redundant. I already have my Kinoki foot pads, Q-Ray bracelet,
> and magnetic jockstrap. Still working on the tinfoil hat. ;)
>
> nb
Oh well, it works as well as masterbation. Masterbating don't cost
$20 unless you need the aid of viagra and online porn.
Goomba
FYI- mastUrbation is the correct spelling. Just in case you're doing it
wrong as well as spelling it incorrectly?
James
Well, I guess teacher should have been teaching me spelling instead of
sex.