craigslist rocks
timeOday
I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com qualifies.
I hadn't been anticipating a new TV, but my old one broke. All of the
TVs advertised in the Sunday ads are new technologies - very cool, but
expensive, and I just didn't feel like spending the money. Finally I
thought of craigslist, which I'd never used before. I immediately found
a slew of TVs for sale in my area, called a guy, and brought home a nice
"new" (used) 27" Sony Trinitron for $100 this morning. Problem solved,
no shipping costs, no waiting, no risk of buying sight-unseen.
I really like the founder's attitude:
<http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/may2007/id20070515_301894.htm?chan=technology_technology+index+page_internet>
Rather than becoming a billionaire, he's content to be a
multi-millionaire and keep the service customer-focused.
What a relief after struggling with the greedy cell phone company, cable
company, ebay, etc. I get so sick of paying through the nose and
jumping through hoops.
Michael Black
> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com qualifies.
>
any more than people "buy" from Ebay. It's just a means to an end.
And there has always been the option of buying used, be it through
classified ads, or garage sales, or stores that buy used things and
turn around and sell them for a profit. Or finding things that
people have tossed out but still work fine.
You think "Craig" is doing you a favor? You're posting to a newsgroup,
and newsgroups have been around since 1980, including many set aside
for buying and selling. The only difference between a local buy and
sell newsgroup and "craigslist" and even some other web-based classified
ad system is how well it propagates. ANd too many people don't look
very far, so they are unaware of what has been around far longer than
craigslist.
This whole silly notion of "Web 2.0" can only exist if a person's
viewpoint is so recent that they don't know that before commerce
hit the internet, it was all about interaction.
Michael
timeOday
I'll be the first to admit craigslist is an extremely simple website,
and there are many other technically similar resources.
Here are the two factors that combine to make craigslist so good:
1) It has enough momentum that it's worth visiting, because buyers and
sellers have a decent chance of finding each other there.
2) Its owners have decided *not* to milk it for all it's worth, which
would make it overly expensive, inconvenient, and hurt its popularity
(and thus, selection). This is a biggie, and exactly the problem that
the Internet does not solve automatically.
I've used all the other means to find used items that you list, and
that's exactly my point - that for the moment, craigslist has them beat.
Did you read the link I posted? Yes, I think Craig is doing us a favor,
by not making craigslist more like ebay. I think his focus on user
wants instead of profit is extremely rare and results in a great site.
Chloe
news:77OdnREoOKpVnvHb...@comcast.com...
Mr. Black's snide tone notwithstanding, when I sold a couple pieces of
furniture recently I couldn't come up with another option that was nearly as
efficient and cost-effective as Craig's List. Granted, I live in a rather
populous urban area, but I actually had so many potential buyers it turned
into a nuisance. And the sale didn't cost me a cent, assuming that I'd own
and use the computer and Internet connection anyway.
Bob F
>
> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com
> qualifies.
>
> I hadn't been anticipating a new TV, but my old one broke. All of
> the TVs advertised in the Sunday ads are new technologies - very
> cool, but expensive, and I just didn't feel like spending the money.
> Finally I thought of craigslist, which I'd never used before. I
> immediately found a slew of TVs for sale in my area, called a guy,
> and brought home a nice "new" (used) 27" Sony Trinitron for $100
> this morning. Problem solved, no shipping costs, no waiting, no
> risk of buying sight-unseen.
With some patience, it is easy to find good TVs for free on craigslist
or freecycle.
>
> I really like the founder's attitude:
> <http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/may2007/id20070515_301894.htm?chan=technology_technology+index+page_internet>
> Rather than becoming a billionaire, he's content to be a
> multi-millionaire and keep the service customer-focused.
If only all business had similar attitudes. The ones that do really
make a difference.
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
>
> Did you read the link I posted? Yes, I think Craig is doing us a favor,
> by not making craigslist more like ebay. I think his focus on user
> wants instead of profit is extremely rare and results in a great site.
Hey, I'd rate your post a +5 (LOL)
Melinda, another Craigslist afficionado
--
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work with excellence.
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
>> Rather than becoming a billionaire, he's content to be a
>> multi-millionaire and keep the service customer-focused.
>
> If only all business had similar attitudes. The ones that do really
> make a difference.
Yup, like Malden Mills and my ISP.
SMS
>
> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com qualifies.
>
> I hadn't been anticipating a new TV, but my old one broke. All of the
> TVs advertised in the Sunday ads are new technologies - very cool, but
> expensive, and I just didn't feel like spending the money. Finally I
> thought of craigslist, which I'd never used before. I immediately found
> a slew of TVs for sale in my area, called a guy, and brought home a nice
> "new" (used) 27" Sony Trinitron for $100 this morning. Problem solved,
> no shipping costs, no waiting, no risk of buying sight-unseen.
With Freecycle you probably could have gotten such a TV for free. People
are desperate to get rid of their old 27"-36" CRT TVs when they buy a
plasma or LCD screen. Often they also try to get you to take the
furniture for it too.
freeisbest
> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com qualifies.
>
> I hadn't been anticipating a new TV, but my old one broke. All of the
> TVs advertised in the Sunday ads are new technologies - very cool, but
> expensive, and I just didn't feel like spending the money. Finally I
> thought of craigslist, which I'd never used before. I immediately found
> a slew of TVs for sale in my area, called a guy, and brought home a nice
> "new" (used) 27" Sony Trinitron for $100 this morning. Problem solved,
> no shipping costs, no waiting, no risk of buying sight-unseen.
>
> I really like the founder's attitude:
> Rather than becoming a billionaire, he's content to be a
> multi-millionaire and keep the service customer-focused.
>
> What a relief after struggling with the greedy cell phone company, cable
> company, ebay, etc. I get so sick of paying through the nose and
> jumping through hoops.
Ok! I've been wondering about craigslist for a while now, asked
around but apparently I live in a pocket of people who have all been
waiting for somebody else to try it first. Good article, too. Hope
you live long and prosper frugally, timeOday. :)
Going over to browse craigslist now...
timeOday
OK, free is good. But I just tried freecycle and I got this result:
"We're sorry but there were no results for your search tv within 100
miles of Albuquerque, NM.
This may be because no Freecycle™ Groups nearby have been added to the
Freecycle™ Finder."
Am I doing it wrong?
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
>
> With Freecycle you probably could have gotten such a TV for free.
> People are desperate to get rid of their old 27"-36" CRT TVs when they
> buy a plasma or LCD screen. Often they also try to get you to take the
> furniture for it too.
I'm sure that depends on the area. I am on a bunch of Freecycle lists
for my area, and nobody gives away TVs on Freecycle that I have seen.
But there *are* tons of people who post things like, "I want a cherry
bedroom set -- must be cherry wood," and the like. :(
My favorite list has a requirement that if you post a wanted post, it
can only be for something that someone would take to the dump or drop
off at a thrift store, you can only post wants once a month at most, and
you have to post an offer (for something decent) also if you want a post
a wanted.
George Grapman
Only problems I ever have relate to individual comprehension and not to
craigslist:
I note in my ad that I will not have net access part of the day and
leave my cell. People reply by email.
I tell people I have two seats in Sec___Row ____ for Saturday and list
the price. People reply asking if I have tickets for Sunday, where the
seats are or how many.
I say that I will meet them in or near San Francisco.They ask to meet
50 miles away and tell me to mail the tickets and they will send me a check.
Ericew
craigslist has usually come through for me. I've sold various things
through the listing including a car without paying a cent. I check it
every few weeks for specific items.
freecycle has been nothing but disappointment. Mailing list format
sucks, people don't pickup or pickup things that are not labeled for
them, and generally can be very rude when you are doing them a favor.
I dropped the mailing list a while ago and have not looked back.
-Eric
George Grapman
the SF Chronicle is looking for ad reps and posting on craigslist.
Warren Block
>
> My favorite list has a requirement that if you post a wanted post, it
> can only be for something that someone would take to the dump or drop
> off at a thrift store, you can only post wants once a month at most, and
> you have to post an offer (for something decent) also if you want a post
> a wanted.
The local Freecycle here got the bright idea of kicking people off the
list if they hadn't posted anything for a month. I wonder if that's
working out for them.
--
Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota * USA
timeOday
> SMS wrote:
>
>>
>> With Freecycle you probably could have gotten such a TV for free.
>> People are desperate to get rid of their old 27"-36" CRT TVs when they
>> buy a plasma or LCD screen. Often they also try to get you to take the
>> furniture for it too.
>
>
> I'm sure that depends on the area. I am on a bunch of Freecycle lists
> for my area, and nobody gives away TVs on Freecycle that I have seen.
Oh well. I realize CRT TV's aren't the hottest thing anymore, but the
picture on my "new" Trinitron is great. I wouldn't really expect
somebody to give one away for free and I don't mind paying a fair price
for things.
My wife wanted to donate our old set, or leave it on the sidewalk with a
"free" sign, but it's noticeably out of focus so I thought whoever
carried it home might just feel like we deceived them into hauling off
our junk.
Bob F
> Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
>> SMS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> With Freecycle you probably could have gotten such a TV for free.
>>> People are desperate to get rid of their old 27"-36" CRT TVs when
>>> they buy a plasma or LCD screen. Often they also try to get you to
>>> take the furniture for it too.
>>
>>
>> I'm sure that depends on the area. I am on a bunch of Freecycle
>> lists for my area, and nobody gives away TVs on Freecycle that I
>> have seen.
>
> Oh well. I realize CRT TV's aren't the hottest thing anymore, but
> the picture on my "new" Trinitron is great. I wouldn't really
> expect somebody to give one away for free and I don't mind paying a
> fair price for things.
Some places, you have to pay to legally dispose of TVs. At least those
places, there are lots of free ones.
>
> My wife wanted to donate our old set, or leave it on the sidewalk
> with a "free" sign, but it's noticeably out of focus so I thought
> whoever carried it home might just feel like we deceived them into
> hauling off our junk.
Say exactly that on the sign. If they think they can use or fix it,
they'll take it. if not, they won't.
Bob
Bob F
"Ericew" <eri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181581257.7...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Freecycle has worked great for me, both giving and receiving.
So has craigslist.
I don't think either can affect thieves. In fact, i've seen several
postings where people posted something free on craigslist as "come and
get it" postings (which aren't allowed on my freecycle). Whoever
picked up the item also took other items that were not offered or were
not even at the same address. To me, this kind of posting is just
asking for trouble.
Bob
Seerialmom
> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com qualifies.
>
> I hadn't been anticipating a new TV, but my old one broke. All of the
> TVs advertised in the Sunday ads are new technologies - very cool, but
> expensive, and I just didn't feel like spending the money. Finally I
> thought of craigslist, which I'd never used before. I immediately found
> a slew of TVs for sale in my area, called a guy, and brought home a nice
> "new" (used) 27" Sony Trinitron for $100 this morning. Problem solved,
> no shipping costs, no waiting, no risk of buying sight-unseen.
>
> I really like the founder's attitude:
> Rather than becoming a billionaire, he's content to be a
> multi-millionaire and keep the service customer-focused.
>
> What a relief after struggling with the greedy cell phone company, cable
> company, ebay, etc. I get so sick of paying through the nose and
> jumping through hoops.
Craigslist is cool. It reminds me of how the old local newspaper used
to be on advertisements; place an ad and the item is gone the same
day. I never had any problem buying cars from owners that way. But
heck...$100? Around here some of those same tv's in Craigslist are in
the "free" column. :)
Seerialmom
I couldn't agree more. Sometimes I'm horrified by what the people
say: We can't be home but we'll leave it out by the side of the house;
leave the other items alone. Thanks!
And did you guys hear about the other craigslist incident where
someone posted "free, take anything" and the house got trashed (it was
supposedly a former tenant of the house).
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
Warren Block wrote:
>
> The local Freecycle here got the bright idea of kicking people off the
> list if they hadn't posted anything for a month. I wonder if that's
> working out for them.
>
--
Bob F
"Warren Block" <wbl...@wonkity.com> wrote in message
news:slrnf6r08c....@speedy.wonkity.com...
It sure sounds like a good way to kill a good thing. I'd sure like to
hear how it works out over time.
Bob
Millhaven
Ouch! In the last several years I haven't posted at all and only
replied twice, once the speakers were already taken and the second
time the person never responded back to me or the list.
Millhaven
> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com qualifies.
>
> I hadn't been anticipating a new TV, but my old one broke. All of the
> TVs advertised in the Sunday ads are new technologies - very cool, but
> expensive, and I just didn't feel like spending the money. Finally I
> thought of craigslist, which I'd never used before. I immediately found
> a slew of TVs for sale in my area, called a guy, and brought home a nice
> "new" (used) 27" Sony Trinitron for $100 this morning. Problem solved,
> no shipping costs, no waiting, no risk of buying sight-unseen.
>
> I really like the founder's attitude:
> Rather than becoming a billionaire, he's content to be a
> multi-millionaire and keep the service customer-focused.
>
> What a relief after struggling with the greedy cell phone company, cable
> company, ebay, etc. I get so sick of paying through the nose and
> jumping through hoops.
Around here they are laying all over the sidewalks on trash day. But
my 25 year old TV still works just fine. I don't watch it often
though.
I love Craigslist though, have used it to buy or sell tickets and also
amused myself posting phony W4M ads in casual encounters.
Has anyone here tried out the erotic services section? Some look
tempting but I just can't bring myself to do it.
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
>
> I couldn't agree more. Sometimes I'm horrified by what the people
> say: We can't be home but we'll leave it out by the side of the house;
> leave the other items alone. Thanks!
Yeah, that's about as good as the people who write you when you post
something for free, "Give me your address and leave it out on the
sidewalk, and I will come pick it up when I get around to getting to
your neighborhood." *rolling eyes*
Logan Shaw
The freecycle here is similarly crazy. In order to offer something for
free, you have to go through a complicated process and read pages and
pages of rules. Then if you miss anything, your item doesn't get posted,
and you don't get any indication what you left out. (No automated e-mail
that says "further action required".) This made it a real hassle to give
this stuff away, so I wrote the administrators a note saying they should
think about streamlining the process and making the instructions clearer,
and I got back a snotty "how dare you tell us how to run our site" type
of reply.
My feeling was, if you really think "freecycling" things is good for
the environment, then you should not erect obstacles that encourage
people to throw stuff in the trash instead after they get tired of
dealing with the bureaucracy. If you want people to do something,
make it easy, not difficult, for them to do that thing. I finally
concluded the people who run my local freecycle must have some other
motivation for running it besides enabling freecycling of things, like
maybe feeling proud of themselves for helping the environment, because
if they wanted to enable freecycling, they'd behave differently.
- Logan
The Real Bev
> I finally
> concluded the people who run my local freecycle must have some other
> motivation for running it besides enabling freecycling of things, like
> maybe feeling proud of themselves for helping the environment, because
> if they wanted to enable freecycling, they'd behave differently.
That's the problem with do-goodism, the do-gooders spend way too much time
feeling good about themselves.
--
Cheers,
Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Is it sick to think that 'Commando' is a really fun movie?
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
list to ask for handouts for yourself or something.
Logan Shaw wrote:
> make it easy, not difficult, for them to do that thing. I finally
> concluded the people who run my local freecycle must have some other
> motivation for running it besides enabling freecycling of things, like
> maybe feeling proud of themselves for helping the environment, because
> if they wanted to enable freecycling, they'd behave differently.
--
Pat in NJ
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>
>> I finally
>> concluded the people who run my local freecycle must have some other
>> motivation for running it besides enabling freecycling of things, like
>> maybe feeling proud of themselves for helping the environment, because
>> if they wanted to enable freecycling, they'd behave differently.
>
> That's the problem with do-goodism, the do-gooders spend way too much
> time feeling good about themselves.
>
out running the group. When the FreeCycle rules became oppressive, she
formed another group called FreeSharing which had over 300 members. We
had free-for-all's where the group would meet and give away their stuff
to other group members. I got rid of a lot of unused stuff at these and
I didn't take anything home. She formed another group called a "cafe"
where members could chat about the community or offer items for sale.
It was just wonderful.
We had one member who could get frozen seafood wholesale and she would
coordinate all the orders and pickups. She was admired and beloved by
the group. Last April she had a stroke and was on life support. The
group held a benefit for her to help with medical expenses since she had
no health insurance.
It seems that any group is only as good as the people who run them.
Pat in NJ
Chloe
probably 20 people tell me they would love to have the bike and would come
pick it up (at a time and place they agreed to) before anyone actually did.
Big hassle. Never again.
I hadn't tried Craig's List at that point, but I suspect I'd have had an
easier time of selling it than giving it away.
Justin
Maybe CL and Freecycle should start a rating system for users, like ebay
has. Then you can tell if someone is a flake and won't show up when
they say they will. But that might overly complicate things. I tried
to give away a REAL nice and newer organ on Freecycle here in the San
Francisco area. This woman wanted it 'badly' and setup a time to bring
her help to retrieve the organ. She didn't show. Then she apologized
and setup another time to fetch it. Never showed again! Full of
excuses. She apologized and setup another time, again no show. So then
she STILL wants it. But I tell her no. I then list it for $200 on the
local trading post group. This same woman replies and says "I still
want the organ, but I am not paying for it, since you were originally
offering it for free." LOL. Hell, she owed me the $200 just for the
hassle she caused me. Let alone for the nice organ that was $5000 brand
new 15 years ago. When things are free, some people don't respect you
or the item. Long story, short. I sold it for $200 to a man and his
wife.
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Dennis
<lshaw-...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>My feeling was, if you really think "freecycling" things is good for
>the environment, then you should not erect obstacles that encourage
>people to throw stuff in the trash instead after they get tired of
>dealing with the bureaucracy. If you want people to do something,
>make it easy, not difficult, for them to do that thing. I finally
>concluded the people who run my local freecycle must have some other
>motivation for running it besides enabling freecycling of things, like
>maybe feeling proud of themselves for helping the environment, because
>if they wanted to enable freecycling, they'd behave differently.
I think you are right.
I recently went through the process of adopting a dog from a local
shelter and I ran into a similar situation. They nominally want to
find homes for these animals, yet they erect all sorts of barriers
that unnecessarily complicate the process. It's almost like some
people get so wrapped up in having their own little kingdoms where
they are the rulers that they lose sight of the original goal.
Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.
Dennis
>On Jun 12, 11:42 am, Dennis <d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I think you are right.
>>
>> I recently went through the process of adopting a dog from a local
>> shelter and I ran into a similar situation. They nominally want to
>> find homes for these animals, yet they erect all sorts of barriers
>> that unnecessarily complicate the process. It's almost like some
>> people get so wrapped up in having their own little kingdoms where
>> they are the rulers that they lose sight of the original goal.
>>
>> Dennis (evil)
>
>>From the flip side, the shelters rescue these animals from the street
>and they need to make sure they don't end up back there ( or worse ).
>They have been burned far too many time with people that can't afford,
>can's house, can't be responsible, and much much worse. Some people
>just don't understand. It's the reason shelters and pet stores will
>not sell/adaopt bunnies at Easter and black cats at Haloween. In the
>end they still end up taking back a non-trivial number of animals even
>after all of the hoops they make people jump through.
Look, I understand that they are in a tough position. Reasonable
requirements and precautions are completely understandable.
But I fail to see how it is better (for the animals) to not place a
significant number of animals because of artificial and unnecessary
obstacles to adoption than it is to take a chance on a few coming
back.
Dennis (evil)
--
What the government gives, it must first take.
Brontide
> But I fail to see how it is better (for the animals) to not place a
> significant number of animals because of artificial and unnecessary
> obstacles to adoption than it is to take a chance on a few coming
> back.
The national average is like 50% and it's higher for dogs than with
other animals. These are the ones coming back and not just being
released back into the wild. Shelters with controls have between a
5-10% return rate on average.
-Eric
Rod Speed
> Dennis <d...@hotmail.com> wrote
Useless numbers unless you also say what the rate they have to kill the animals is too.
Its better to have some returned and eventually accepted than
to have to kill them because you arent placing enough animals.
Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
>
> which is why i won't adopt from a shelter again. last time was in 1993,
> and things changed way too much. it's an animal, not a child. so it's a
> freebie from the paper for us.
Trust me, rescue groups can be much, MUCH worse...
Dennis
<der...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Dennis" <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:adft63lf7ppf89h59...@4ax.com...
>> I recently went through the process of adopting a dog from a local
>> shelter and I ran into a similar situation. They nominally want to
>> find homes for these animals, yet they erect all sorts of barriers
>> that unnecessarily complicate the process. It's almost like some
>> people get so wrapped up in having their own little kingdoms where
>> they are the rulers that they lose sight of the original goal.
>
>which is why i won't adopt from a shelter again. last time was in 1993,
>and things changed way too much. it's an animal, not a child. so it's a
>freebie from the paper for us.
>
>and the shelter here wants all sorts of info to take an animal from you. i
>found
>that out when i tried to turn in a stray. wouldn't give the info, but told
>them i had a farmer friend who could "take care" of the cat for me if
>they wouldn't. better than getting torn to pieces by my dog if it ran
>into my house (which is what it kept trying to do). with the threat of
>a bullet to the head, they took the cat with no info.
The closest shelter to us, which operates in conjuction with the
county animal control, had a reasonably simple adoption process and a
US$100 adoption fee. Best of all, they allowed a 5-day trial period
to see if the pet worked out. Good thing since the dog we first took
home, while sweet and docile at the shelter, viciously attacked one of
our existing animals the first chance she got. She went back the next
day.
The dog that we ultimately kept came from a similar shelter in a
neighboring county. Their application was slightly more onerous but
the fee was US$80. No trial policy however, so we considered the fee
a donation if we had to return the dog. (She has worked out
wonderfully, BTW.)
In the course of our search, I saw adoption fees listed as high as
US$160. I also sensed some nasty little Napoleans giddy with
authority (hard-core PETA types, no doubt). Here is an example of
one of the lengthier applications I encountered:
http://www.sccpets.com/adoptdog.html
By the time someone got around to reviewing this application and
getting back to me, the dog I was interested in was gone. Good for
the dog I guess, but frustrating for my family.
Anyway, for a life-long pet owner whose dogs all came from private
individuals in the past, it was an eye-opening experience.
AllEmailDeletedImmediately
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> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>
>> which is why i won't adopt from a shelter again. last time was in 1993,
>> and things changed way too much. it's an animal, not a child. so it's
>> a
>> freebie from the paper for us.
>
> Trust me, rescue groups can be much, MUCH worse...
never tried them, but i suspected as much just from the websites i've been
to.
Logan Shaw
> In the course of our search, I saw adoption fees listed as high as
> US$160. I also sensed some nasty little Napoleans giddy with
> authority (hard-core PETA types, no doubt). Here is an example of
> one of the lengthier applications I encountered:
>
> http://www.sccpets.com/adoptdog.html
That form reminds of the scene in "LA Story" when Steve Martin's character
is on the phone trying to get reservations at a trendy restaurant:
Hello, L'Idiot? Yes, I'd like to make reservations for two
for Friday?
[ hysterical laughter ]
Saturday?
[ more hysterical laughter ]
Sunday??
[ ... ]
Ah, good.
[ ... ]
Eight-thirty.
[ ... ]
Five-thirty or ten-thirty?! Um, five-thirty.
[ ... ]
Visa.
[ ... ]
I'm a weatherman.
[ ... ]
Yes, I'm on TV.
[ ... ]
Renting.
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I just sold a condo.
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YES, in this soft market.
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Well I don't see how that's any of your busi...
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In the low fifties.
- Logan
Roger Shoaf
"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" <mme...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote in
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>
> Whoops! We surrendered a dog to the pound! Bad human! No adoption for
> you! *rolling eyes*
>
Sounds more to me like the bad human was the one that raised the dog in the
first place.
>
> Whoops! We had a cat declawed! Bad human! No adoption for you!
>
> They told me that I should have either gotten those disposable claw
> shields and glued them on every three weeks for the rest of her life, or
> else we should have found her a home with a family who would not declaw
> her so she wouldn't have to be declawed.
>
>
As someone that has lost a living room full of furniture to a very friendly
cat that had it's claws and each time it would go outside it would get the
snot beaten out of him because he was a wimp, I am of the opinion that
cutting off a cat's claws is no more mean, rotten or nasty than cutting off
their reproductive capacity.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
Justin
>>> which is why i won't adopt from a shelter again. last time was in 1993,
>>> and things changed way too much. it's an animal, not a child. so it's
>>> a freebie from the paper for us.
>> Trust me, rescue groups can be much, MUCH worse...
>
> never tried them, but i suspected as much just from the websites i've been
> to.
Too bad there are too many gutter trash type folks out there who don't
spay/neuter their animals, thus creating the glut of unwanted animals.
The gutter trash people who don't spay/neuter their animals should be
rounded up and forced to sit in a cardboard box in front of a supermarket.
A couple of teenagers recently were caught baking a live puppy in the
oven of a church hall they had broken into. The poor dog had to be
euthanized due to the burns/pain. Their dad was pissed because they
each got 2 years in prison. If I ran the world, they'd be executed.
Don K
>
> In the course of our search, I saw adoption fees listed as high as
> US$160. I also sensed some nasty little Napoleans giddy with
> authority (hard-core PETA types, no doubt). Here is an example of
> one of the lengthier applications I encountered:
>
> http://www.sccpets.com/adoptdog.html
>
I think many of those questions would seem more reasonable if they
were asked during a personal screening interview. IMO an overbearing,
bureaucratic form will just turn people off.
They're probably just trying to streamline their operation so they don't have
to take many notes, but really, they don't need to record your life history in
their database. The whole thing is better-off done in a personal interview.
They can just go down their checklist, and unless any red flags are raised,
they don't need to record all the answers.
> By the time someone got around to reviewing this application and
> getting back to me, the dog I was interested in was gone. Good for
> the dog I guess, but frustrating for my family.
The thing to do is to schedule the interview or home visit before you
start picking out your pet.
> Anyway, for a life-long pet owner whose dogs all came from private
> individuals in the past, it was an eye-opening experience.
Some of the people running the rescue groups may be a little bit nuts,
but the ones we've encountered are nuts in a nice way. Yes, they may
be pushy, manipulative, etc., but those attributes are good for what they
are trying to do.
Don
freeisbest
> I have used craigslist for years to buy and sell baseball
tickets.
> Only problems I ever have relate to individual comprehension and
not
> to craigslist:
>
> I note in my ad that I will not have net access part of the day
and
> leave my cell. People reply by email.
>
> I tell people I have two seats in Sec___Row ____ for Saturday and
list
> the price. People reply asking if I have tickets for Sunday, where
the
> seats are or how many.
>
> I say that I will meet them in or near San Francisco.They ask to
meet
> 50 miles away and tell me to mail the tickets and they will send me
a check.
Thanks for this description of our fellow citizens, it makes me
feel a lot better about our area. Looks like 'ability to understand
simple English' is clustered at the right-hand end of the Bell Curve.
max
"Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
> > Anyway, for a life-long pet owner whose dogs all came from private
> > individuals in the past, it was an eye-opening experience.
>
> Some of the people running the rescue groups may be a little bit nuts,
> but the ones we've encountered are nuts in a nice way. Yes, they may
> be pushy, manipulative, etc., but those attributes are good for what they
> are trying to do.
i recall the experience of a good friend who wanted to adopt a kitten for
his children and went to adopt-a-pet day at the local big box pet store.
The whole point for him was to show a little support for the pet rescue by
way of getting a kitty. Friend brought their well socialized 2 year old
pound puppy along, even.
He brought the wife and kids, and they [the shelter people] let the children
pick out a kitty, which they play with throughout the 20 minute
interrogation. At the end of the application process, the woman tell them
she's not going to let them have the friggin cat because she thinks the
children (first and second grade) are too young. boggle.
One might imagine the lifelong ill will engendered. Said friend managed
not to choke the life out of the duplicitous control freak, took his deeply
disappointed, crying children home and found a free kitty via the newspaper.
Kitty is in perfect health and happy (but fixed) a year later, tormenting
their dog and delighting their children.
.max
Jerry
- Potential buyers that ask one or more questions (frequently just "is
it still available?"), I reply (including my phone numbers) and never
hear from them again.
- With some we go through a series of several emails and/or phone calls.
Sometimes even set up a time form them to come get the item and then
they drop off the face of the earth.
- Last week I saw a new listing I was interested in and emailed several
questions. Get a reply back the next day. So far so good. I email back I
want to buy. No response. I email several more times over the next
couple of days from several different accounts. Finally get a reply: He
went on vacation and won't be back for another week. Unless he expected
an immediate sale why did he even bother listing knowing he was leaving
town?
George Grapman
I was giving away a futon frame. A person set a specific time to pick
it up and never showed up. Reposted it and the next day another person
took it. Two days later the original party came by and was upset to
learn it was gone.
Chloe
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> My list of annoyances:
> - Potential buyers that ask one or more questions (frequently just "is it
> still available?"), I reply (including my phone numbers) and never hear
> from them again.
>
> - With some we go through a series of several emails and/or phone calls.
> Sometimes even set up a time form them to come get the item and then they
> drop off the face of the earth.
The worst thing that happened when I sold my furniture on Craig's List
involved a woman who'd made an appointment to come look at it the following
day. When another prospect showed up, agreed to buy it, and gave me a
purchase deposit of half my asking price in cash, I phoned and told her it
was sold. She got verbally abusive and called me a bunch of names. I still
haven't figured out why she'd expect a seller to pass up a sure sale just so
she could decide to buy or not buy. Maybe she was just having a bad day <g>.
freeisbest
> >>> which is why i won't adopt from a shelter again. last time was in 1993,
> >>> and things changed way too much. it's an animal, not a child. so it's
> >>> a freebie from the paper for us.
> >> Trust me, rescue groups can be much, MUCH worse...
>
> > never tried them, but i suspected as much just from the websites i've been
> > to.
>
> Too bad there are too many gutter trash type folks out there who don't
> spay/neuter their animals, thus creating the glut of unwanted animals.
> The gutter trash people who don't spay/neuter their animals should be
> rounded up and forced to sit in a cardboard box in front of a supermarket.
...yebbut, for how long? Everybody knows they're not neutered
and not dewormed, besides, your typical animal abuser is already way
past the cute stage.
freeisbest
> Chloe wrote:
> > I tried my local Freecycle only once, to give away an exercise bike. I had
> > probably 20 people tell me they would love to have the bike and would come
> > pick it up (at a time and place they agreed to) before anyone actually did.
> > Big hassle. Never again.
>
> > I hadn't tried Craig's List at that point, but I suspect I'd have had an
> > easier time of selling it than giving it away.
>
> Maybe CL and Freecycle should start a rating system for users, like ebay
> has. Then you can tell if someone is a flake and won't show up when
> they say they will. But that might overly complicate things. I tried
> to give away a REAL nice and newer organ on Freecycle here in the San
> Francisco area. This woman wanted it 'badly' and setup a time to bring
> her help to retrieve the organ. She didn't show. Then she apologized
> and setup another time to fetch it. Never showed again! Full of
> excuses. She apologized and setup another time, again no show. So then
> she STILL wants it. But I tell her no. I then list it for $200 on the
> local trading post group. This same woman replies and says "I still
> want the organ, but I am not paying for it, since you were originally
> offering it for free." LOL. Hell, she owed me the $200 just for the
> hassle she caused me. Let alone for the nice organ that was $5000 brand
> new 15 years ago. When things are free, some people don't respect you
> or the item. Long story, short. I sold it for $200 to a man and his
> wife.
Good story. This is useful to know. I'll keep it in mind as we
get rid of some stuff in the next couple of weeks.
George Grapman
I spent some time there looking for a part time person. I soon
determined not to ignore these resumes:
Their description of a previous job took more words than the
Constitution takes to describe the powers and duties of the presidency.
The subject line was vague, i,e/ "I need a job" or "hard worker"
8 jobs in the last three years.
"interfaced with clients".
Dennis
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>"Dennis" <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> In the course of our search, I saw adoption fees listed as high as
>> US$160. I also sensed some nasty little Napoleans giddy with
>> authority (hard-core PETA types, no doubt). Here is an example of
>> one of the lengthier applications I encountered:
>>
>> http://www.sccpets.com/adoptdog.html
>>
>
>I think many of those questions would seem more reasonable if they
>were asked during a personal screening interview. IMO an overbearing,
>bureaucratic form will just turn people off.
>
>They're probably just trying to streamline their operation so they don't have
>to take many notes, but really, they don't need to record your life history in
>their database. The whole thing is better-off done in a personal interview.
>They can just go down their checklist, and unless any red flags are raised,
>they don't need to record all the answers.
Could be. I wonder how many meth cookers looking for a watchdog to
guard their lab would even find the online application or bother to
fill it out?
>> By the time someone got around to reviewing this application and
>> getting back to me, the dog I was interested in was gone. Good for
>> the dog I guess, but frustrating for my family.
>
>The thing to do is to schedule the interview or home visit before you
>start picking out your pet.
Yeah, kind of a chicken and egg situation. The only reason we
considered this particular shelter, which is farther from home than we
would normally look, was because my daughter spotted what looked like
an ideal dog for us on their website.
>> Anyway, for a life-long pet owner whose dogs all came from private
>> individuals in the past, it was an eye-opening experience.
>
>Some of the people running the rescue groups may be a little bit nuts,
>but the ones we've encountered are nuts in a nice way. Yes, they may
>be pushy, manipulative, etc., but those attributes are good for what they
>are trying to do.
I'm sure there are a lot of good folks involved and I don't want to
slight the good work they do. But my experience this time around was
2 questionable kooks out of 4 shelters dealt with. Kinda left a bad
taste, IYKWIM. Way, way more hassle than my previous experiences with
aquaintances or answering ads in the paper.
Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin
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> "In the first place, we should insist that if
> the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes
> an American and assimilates himself to us,
> he shall be treated on an exact equality with
> everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate
> against any such man because of creed, or birthplace,
> or origin.
> But this is predicated upon the person's
> becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...
> There can be no divided allegiance here.
> Any man who says he is an American,
> but something else also, isn't an American at all.
> We have room for but one flag, the American flag...
> We have room for but one language here,
> and that is the English language...
> and we have room for but one sole loyalty
> and that is a loyalty to the American people."
>
so much for those "hyphenated" americans.
SMS
> I have argued with some of the more militant types about such things and
> loosening their standards a tad and allowing that some people might have
> learned from mistakes make in the past, but 99 44/100% of the time it
> does no good.
At the shelter I volunteer at, a past declawing would be viewed
negatively, but if it were done many years ago before it was known how
bad it is, it probably wouldn't matter. Declawing is very rare these
days, most veterinarians refuse to even do it.
We take back any cat that doesn't work out, in fact the "contract"
stipulates that if it doesn't work out they will return the cat to us,
no matter what the reason they can't keep the cat. The "guarantee" at
least gives a chance to some of the less adoptable animals, though
sometimes situations change where even the very adoptable cats come back.
We'd rather keep the cat for the rest of its natural life (we don't do
any euthanizing) than let someone adopt it that would declaw it. The
cats at our organization have a pretty good deal going, with huge
"condos" and twice daily socialization, and free roaming outside the
condos for the ones that don't bother the other cats.
We go one step further in the adoption process by doing home visits
prior to the adoption.
The issue I have with the organization I volunteer at is the insistence
that cats be 100% indoor cats when adopted. While indoor-only cats do
live longer, on average, I think that some cats need to be allowed out.
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> Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
>
> The issue I have with the organization I volunteer at is the insistence
> that cats be 100% indoor cats when adopted. While indoor-only cats do live
> longer, on average, I think that some cats need to be allowed out.
would putting them on an attached leash still be considered indoor?
Chloe
Yo, Dennis--I guess this was what you were talking about, huh? I'm as big a
cat lover as you'll find, and I'm speechless.
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which part leaves you speechless?
>
>
SMS
Hmm, which part leaves you speechless?
Dennis
wrote:
>Yo, Dennis--I guess this was what you were talking about, huh? I'm as big a
>cat lover as you'll find, and I'm speechless.
Some of the shelters make you sign a contract as part of the adoption
process. Among other things, you agree that they can make an
unannounced inspection at your home up to a month after the adoption,
that they can "repossess" the adopted pet if it strikes their whim and
that you also waive any right to prosecute for trespassing. I'm not
sure how it would stand up legally and at any rate, I don't expect to
see anyone at my doorstep (too understaffed and to far away), but it
gives some indication of the mindset.
Dennis (evil)
--
What government gives, it must first take away.
bhen...@gmail.com
> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.comqualifies.
>
> I hadn't been anticipating a new TV, but my old one broke. All of the
> TVs advertised in the Sunday ads are new technologies - very cool, but
> expensive, and I just didn't feel like spending the money. Finally I
> thought of craigslist, which I'd never used before. I immediately found
> a slew of TVs for sale in my area, called a guy, and brought home a nice
> "new" (used) 27" Sony Trinitron for $100 this morning. Problem solved,
> no shipping costs, no waiting, no risk of buying sight-unseen.
>
> I really like the founder's attitude:
> <http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/may2007/id20070515_30189...>
> Rather than becoming a billionaire, he's content to be a
> multi-millionaire and keep the service customer-focused.
>
> What a relief after struggling with the greedy cell phone company, cable
> company, ebay, etc. I get so sick of paying through the nose and
> jumping through hoops.
My brother told me about craigslist hoping some altruistic person
might be abe to help with a solution in eastern Connecticut; my home
is in the midsouth but I am in eastern Connecticut caring for my mom
who has terminal cancer. I have been living with her but she would
like to live in her space alone(she has always been a private person
and likes her own belongings around her-my belongings, though neat,
disrupt her sense of order and her own space). I and my medium sized,
mellow, well-trained dog need a room and kitchen privileges so I can
stay in the area to continue to care for her, doctor's appts etc.I
can't afford to pay for this because I'm still paying all my living
expenses at my home. I hope someone can help. Thank you, bh in eastern
Connecticut
www.Queensbridge.us
> SMS wrote:
> > timeOday wrote:
>
> >> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com qualifies.
>
> >> I hadn't been anticipating a new TV, but my old one broke. All of the
> >> TVs advertised in the Sunday ads are new technologies - very cool, but
> >> expensive, and I just didn't feel like spending the money. Finally I
> >> thought of craigslist, which I'd never used before. I immediately
> >> found a slew of TVs for sale in my area, called a guy, and brought
> >> home a nice "new" (used) 27" Sony Trinitron for $100 this morning.
> >> Problem solved, no shipping costs, no waiting, no risk of buying
> >> sight-unseen.
>
> > are desperate to get rid of their old 27"-36" CRT TVs when they buy a
> > plasma or LCD screen. Often they also try to get you to take the
> > furniture for it too.
>
> OK, free is good. But I just tried freecycle and I got this result:
>
> "We're sorry but there were no results for your search tv within 100
> miles of Albuquerque, NM.
>
> This may be because no Freecycle™ Groups nearby have been added to the
> Freecycle™ Finder."
>
> Am I doing it wrong?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
YAHOO has many Freecycle groups. You may want to search yahoo.
In NYC I have used Craigs to give away some stuff and sell others [at
give away prices].
Friends have gotten paying work from TALENT GIGS section of Craigs.
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"www.Queensbridge.us" <NOTv...@Queensbridge.us> wrote:
> I like things that are simple and effective. craigslist.com qualifies.
yes, we found an old car for a project. they delivered it.
'71 Karmann Ghia.
--
when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
All problems look like nails.
record hunter
You've given up your life for the moment in the mid-south to take care
of your mother in CT, and your mother won't let you stay with her?
Your mother? Wow.
Cyber Kid
wrote:
>You've given up your life for the moment in the mid-south to take care
>of your mother in CT, and your mother won't let you stay with her?
>Your mother? Wow.
What I thought was "wow" was that the guy is looking for a free room.
There was a time in the 1930's and 1940's where it was common for people to
take in a tramp aka hobo, and let the guy stay in the basement. Those days
are over, nobody in their right mind would or should let a complete
stranger into their home and stay for free. The mother with terminal
cancer needs to accept her situation, and should be thankful the kids don't
send her over to a hospice.