It happened! My pipes froze, they burst today, and my entire bathroom was FLOODED!
GeneCo...@gmail.com
I have straw outside my crawl space home to warm the pipes. I had
water dripping from the faucets so that the pipes don't freeze. I
opened the closets underneath the sinks. I had a space heater blowing
warm heat at the pipes, nevertheless they FROZE and bursted today.
I don't think that I get a plummer before Tuesday.
I shut the main water valve off.
Now, my question is: As I am living alone, would you shut the main
water valve off every day before you go to bed and empty all pipes and
open the main water valve the next morning to protect the pipes?
Is there anything that speaks against shutting the main water switch
off every day?
What I am thinking is this: If the plummer is fixing the pipes on
Tuesday, it might cost me dearly. Then he goes, the next day, they
freeze again up on me, etc. And I have to fix them again, and again,
and again, till it is finally spring.
What do you think?
Gene
GeneCo...@gmail.com
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:59:07 -0800 (PST), GeneCook2...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >How I hate that.
>
> >I have straw outside my crawl space home to warm the pipes. I had
> >water dripping from the faucets so that the pipes don't freeze. I
> >opened the closets underneath the sinks. I had a space heater blowing
> >warm heat at the pipes, nevertheless they FROZE and bursted today.
>
> >I don't think that I get a plummer before Tuesday.
>
> >I shut the main water valve off.
>
>
> >Now, my question is: As I am living alone, would you shut the main
> >water valve off every day before you go to bed and empty all pipes and
> >open the main water valve the next morning to protect the pipes?
>
> >Is there anything that speaks against shutting the main water switch
> >off every day?
>
> >What I am thinking is this: If the plummer is fixing the pipes on
> >Tuesday, it might cost me dearly. Then he goes, the next day, they
> >freeze again up on me, etc. And I have to fix them again, and again,
> >and again, till it is finally spring.
>
> >What do you think?
>
> >Gene
I am afraid I don't understand. Why should I turn the hot water heater
off? I have gas.
Gene
clams_casino
>
>
>I am afraid I don't understand. Why should I turn the hot water heater
>off? I have gas.
>
>Gene
>
>
Try Beano.
Jerry
wrote:
I guess you forgot to light the straw, no wonder the pipes got cold.:)
If you are going to shut off the main every day then let your water
run a little bit when you turn it back on before drinking it, it will
appear dirty at first. Make sure you turn off your water heater so
that it doesn't keep running without water coming in, you will destroy
the heater and possibly start your house on fire.
hchi...@hotmail.com
First, it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb" for
lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to have
a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get electric
heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some foam pipe
insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also burst.
Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with mulch,
after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:15:10 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_...@bogus.net>
wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:59:07 -0800 (PST), GeneCo...@gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>>How I hate that.
>>
>>I have straw outside my crawl space home to warm the pipes. I had
>>water dripping from the faucets so that the pipes don't freeze. I
>>opened the closets underneath the sinks. I had a space heater blowing
>>warm heat at the pipes, nevertheless they FROZE and bursted today.
>>
>>I don't think that I get a plummer before Tuesday.
>>
>>I shut the main water valve off.
>
>Make sure you shut off your hot water heater.
>
GeneCo...@gmail.com
> and to the thermostat. If the tank runs low on water, the thermostat
> can read can't see that the heater/burner is running with nothing to
> heat. The water is the heat sink that conducts heat from the heater
> and keeps it at a reasonable temperature. If it's not there the
> heater/burner it will overheat and could be a fire hazard.
I get it, not enough water but gas burning inside might set the thing
on fire, right?
GeneCo...@gmail.com
> Your problem is that you have a gmail account.
>
> First,
Thanks buddy for the grammar lesson. Just what you want to hear when
your place is under water.
It is exactly the time in which a person has time to work on typos and
grammar. Home under water - but grammar is perfect and all typos
erradicated!
Thanks for being so realistic.
Gene
> it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb" for
> lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
>
> Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to have
> a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get electric
> heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some foam pipe
> insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
>
> Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also burst.
>
> Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with mulch,
> after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.
>
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:15:10 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:59:07 -0800 (PST), GeneCook2...@gmail.com
Bernardo Gui
wrote:
>Thanks buddy for the grammar lesson. Just what you want to hear when
>your place is under water.
>
>It is exactly the time in which a person has time to work on typos and
>grammar. Home under water - but grammar is perfect and all typos
>erradicated!
>
>Thanks for being so realistic.
>
>Gene
Well, that was a little rude, but it would have been easier on other
people if you had paid attention in third grade English class.
My question is more about choosing the right newsgroup in which to
post your cry for help. Don't you think that alt.home.repair would
have been a better choice than a group on Frugal Living?
Bernardo
sw...@live.com
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:28 -0500, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >Your problem is that you have a gmail account.
>
> >First, it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb" for
> >lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
>
> >Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to have
> >a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get electric
> >heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some foam pipe
> >insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
>
> >Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also burst.
>
> >Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with mulch,
> >after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.
>
> has a problem. It's people like you that makes humanity proud.
This is why there are days I wonder if an major outbreak of H5N1 would
really
be that bad. Yes, several to many million people would die, but maybe
the
human race needs a good flush. Somehow I expect people like Mr Grammar
would be in deep dodo. They almost certainly don't have many friends
to help,
and I really doubt if he has the financial assets of the "Blessed Tim
May".
Although given the choice between massive amounts of money coupled
with
Tim's somewhat unorthodox world view and my present financial
situation
with the friends that I have. When it gets grim, you will need more
then
money and grammar to pull through the tough stuff.
I can just hear him at the dispatch end of a 911 call, some poor sod
calls
and gets a unwanted leason in the finer points in English Grammar
while
his desperate need for help gets ignored.
Terry
hchi...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:28 -0500, hchi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Your problem is that you have a gmail account.
>>
>>First, it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb" for
>>lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
>>
>>Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to have
>>a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get electric
>>heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some foam pipe
>>insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
>>
>>Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also burst.
>>
>>Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with mulch,
>>after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.
>
>Thank you for flaming the wrong guy while we try to help someone that
>has a problem. It's people like you that makes humanity proud.
Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you. The advice I gave
is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging and second guessing.
My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
me when dumbasses can't spell it right. And gene does have an email
account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
salesmen.
none2u
"Jerry" <Je...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> that comes from the inside of the pipes when you turn it back on. Its held
> in there from water pressure. I myself would not drain my water heater.
> Because I have a sink low point to drain water from. I,d leave the water
> in there , and the heater running like normal. It may sit there all night
> and not even run. Then I,d have hot water in the morning. Shutting off any
> water valves sometimes makes them leak because they are old. If it leaks a
> little , and it is open all the way. Retighten the packing nut as
> necessary. Now. if you drain your water heater, shut the gas off. The
> elements / or temp sensors need water on them to not burn up. I doubt you
> will cause a fire. But you could cause your pressure relief to pop , and
> dump water if you have your plumbing lines closed and it makes steam. Its
> not particularly good on the heater too if its rusted or old . It may
> start to leak and need replaced. You like everyone else who has crawl
> spaces have a similar problem. Previous poster suggested heat trace. It is
> an excellent idea. I suggest heat trace inside the fiberglass or foam pipe
> wrap insulation. Along with your straw and your space heater. I'm thinking
> if you heat trace the pipes and wrap it with pipe wrap insulation. And
> tape the insulation seams CORRECTLY.You could drop the space heater and
> save some electricity cost. If money is an issue. Unless you are using
> the space heater to heat your floors. The heat trace can be unplugged when
> its above freezing . Also letting the water drip is not ok. Unless you let
> more water run. { Cost issues again}I suggest letting it turn into a
> solid run. Heat traces last long time. Like Asian chicks. That should do
> it.
Vic Smith
wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:33:18 -0500, hchi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you. The advice I gave
>>is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging and second guessing.
>>My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
>>me when dumbasses can't spell it right. And gene does have an email
>>account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
>>salesmen.
>
>I suspect most of us have email accounts.
Sort of pisses me off. My granddad had an email account too, I don't
like people insulting his memory. I'm gonna let this slide, but the
pea should watch his step.
--Vic
GeneCo...@gmail.com
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:33:18 -0500, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you.
Next time write "Gene" with a capital "G". It is a name and not genes,
Hickey or Chickey.
> > The advice I gave
> >is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging
It is whining and not whinging. You are a hypocrite. You can't spell
yourself.
> > and second guessing.
> >My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
> >me when dumbasses can't spell it right.
You missed a comma after plumber + and.
I might make typos in a hurry but my second language is better than
your first.
> >And gene does have an email
> >account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
> >salesmen.
What is that supposed to be? I just posted this one posting and didn't
try to sell a thing.
>
> I suspect most of us have email accounts.
The reason I posted here because of an emergency. I figured that some
of you guys would know an advice.
Winston Smith apparently understood that. He provided some useful
advice of the problem.
My first language is NOT English. If I would have written that in my
native language Danish, I would have made no mistake.
But as most of your guys will not speak my language, I posted in
yours.
You really don't mean how it feels to have an emergency and having to
express something in a hurry in another language about a subject you
are not an expert in.
Thanks Winston, for your advice. Thanks to anybody else for any
advice.
As for the rest of you, I will not more come back in this newsgroup.
I might not be a master of the English language, but I am better than
you. I might really need some plumbing education, but I do not need
education as far as manners and character is concerned. That is where
you guys need LOTS and LOTS of education.
Good bye. You are indeed the people who make the Internet so a hateful
and unprofessional place.
I pity you.
Gene
Myal
you are such a man
your grandpop was a plumber , so was and so are a hell of a lot of other
folk ...
and you decided to let it slide that someone mis-spelled plummer ...
WHOOOO HOOOO I never seen such a manly gesture in all my life before
what WERE you going to do to him tho , for his spelling mistake hmmm ?
Frank Gilliland
<4793e948...@newsgroups.comcast.net>:
>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:59:07 -0800 (PST), GeneCo...@gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>>How I hate that.
>>
>>I have straw outside my crawl space home to warm the pipes. I had
>>water dripping from the faucets so that the pipes don't freeze. I
>>opened the closets underneath the sinks. I had a space heater blowing
>>warm heat at the pipes, nevertheless they FROZE and bursted today.
>>
>>I don't think that I get a plummer before Tuesday.
>>
>>I shut the main water valve off.
>>
>>Now, my question is: As I am living alone, would you shut the main
>>water valve off every day before you go to bed and empty all pipes and
>>open the main water valve the next morning to protect the pipes?
>>
>>Is there anything that speaks against shutting the main water switch
>>off every day?
>>
>>What I am thinking is this: If the plummer is fixing the pipes on
>>Tuesday, it might cost me dearly. Then he goes, the next day, they
>>freeze again up on me, etc. And I have to fix them again, and again,
>>and again, till it is finally spring.
>>
>>What do you think?
>>
>>Gene
>
>I guess you forgot to light the straw, no wonder the pipes got cold.:)
ROTFLOL!!!
>If you are going to shut off the main every day then let your water
>run a little bit when you turn it back on before drinking it, it will
>appear dirty at first. Make sure you turn off your water heater so
>that it doesn't keep running without water coming in, you will destroy
>the heater and possibly start your house on fire.
I suspect that mere dripping wasn't enough -- it usually isn't. The
water coming from the service pipe isn't much warmer than freezing, so
in order to use what little heat it supplies you have to let the water
flow a little faster than a drip. Yes, it makes a little noise, but
it's a minor annoyance compared to the alternative. And don't forget
the pipe insulation, especially on those pipes that run next to an
outside wall (not a good place to put a pipe but people do it anyway).
As for shutting off the water every day, that won't do any good unless
you can drain the water from the system, too. If you don't and the
water freezes, you're still screwed, and the pipes can still burst.
You just won't have as much water to clean up afterwards.
hchi...@hotmail.com
>and you decided to let it slide that someone mis-spelled plummer ...
>what WERE you going to do to him tho , for his spelling mistake hmmm ?
It should be obvious-
Hamlet: Act I, scene V
val189
> This is why there are days I wonder if an major
AN major?
outbreak of H5N1 would
> really
> be that bad.
>
When it gets grim, you will need more
> then
THAN
> money and grammar to pull through the tough stuff.
>
> I can just hear him at the dispatch end of a 911 call, some poor sod
> calls
> and gets a unwanted leason
LESSON
in the finer points in English Grammar
> while
> his desperate need for help gets ignored.
>
> Terry
U ain't doin sew well yerself wit gramer n spelun.
webs...@cox.net
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:14:12 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net>
What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?
phil scott
Shutt off the water at the valve where water enters your house, or at
the meter... wrap any exposed pipe with about 2" thick insulation, if
its below 15 or 20 F outside include an electric strip heater there.
Then find a valve at the low point in the system and drain it to the
lawn..be sure its the low point...it wont help you otherwise... turn
off the water heater before you do this, those can be dangerous
without water flow.
alternatively 'heat trace' alll pipes with electric heat tracing wire
(two conductors, looks like TV antenna wire its flat) and plugs into
the the wall current. then after you heat trace, insulate with at
least 1" thick insulation.... on nights below 10F or so, open all
fawcets to keep a good sized drip going.... monitor it.
Your plumber though will offer the best advice for your local
conditions and budget.
Phil Scott
Rod Speed
Gene S. Berkowitz
c6b049...@d21g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, webs...@cox.net says...
whinge
hwnj, wnj)
intr.v. whinged, whing·ing, whing·es Chiefly British
To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinging
--Gene
Dennis
>What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?
It's whining with a British accent. ;-)
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
h
"Dennis" <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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whinge (hwnj, wnj)
intr.v. whinged, whing搏ng, whing搪s Chiefly British
To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.
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[Dialectal alteration of Middle English whinsen, from Old English hwinsian.]
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whinger n.
whinging損y adv.
webs...@cox.net
> "Dennis" <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:rb0dp31m2ofqqm0uq...@4ax.com...
>
>
> >>What's "whinging". Misspelled "whining" perhaps, or "winging"?
>
> > It's whining with a British accent. ;-)
>
> > Dennis (evil)
> > --
> > "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
>
> whinge (hwnj, wnj)
> To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [Dialectal alteration of Middle English whinsen, from Old English hwinsian.]
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> whinger n.
>
It's about time those Brits learned to speak proper English!!!! ;<)