SMOKING BAN LAWS RESULTS ~ CHEAPSKATE EXCERCISE PITS FAILING !
Bette...@yahoo.com
Ban The Smoker's Will You !
Adopt a Ban in your state if you Dare...
Make No Mistake ! This is REALITY!
Her's our next candidate to join our list !
http://www.nwanews.com/bcdr/News/61313/
Another Goner: Cheapskates anxious ! !
There's been plenty of change at Frisco Station Mall over the years.
With Goody's preparing to pack it up, that change will continue.
Cunningham, both retired Rogers residents, can tell you exactly how
many steps
it takes to get from one end of the Frisco Station Mall to the other.
For years, they and plenty of others have been walking laps around the
indoor
portion of the mall for exercise.
But in less than two months, they know things are going to get a
little darker on the east end of their walk.
The Cunninghams are just happy the main doors to the mall will remain
open so they can
continue walking the mall every morning for exercise.
But they are curious to see what will happen with the Goody's space,
as well as the other unoccupied spaces.
===> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! <======
According to Gail Segura, national marketing manager for J. Herzog and
Sons Inc.,
the Denver-based management company that purchased the property in
2003,
Frisco Station Mall is in no danger of closing its doors. J. Herzog
and Sons Inc.
renovated the facility in 2004, at which time its original name,
Dixieland Mall,
was changed to Frisco Station Mall.
The company operates and manages 14 malls across the country.
===> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! <======
We'll see all 14 Malls on the list !
Too Bad Investors...
Below: They will be next to join our List !
http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080518/COMMUNITIES44/805180368
Empty stores worry merchants at Roxbury mall
Daily Record - May 18 1:19 AM ROXBURY -- A relocation sign on the
window of the In the Spotlights
store in the Ledgewood Mall portends a future of both hope and
demise.There are crowds of shoppers
(SMOKERS) at the mall's anchor stores that have outdoor entrances --
Macy's and Wal-Mart --
and at the freestanding stores separate from the main structure --
including a Barnes & Noble,
Sports Authority and The Men's Wearhouse.
But as the number of stores in the mall's interior dwindles, so does
the number of shoppers
(SMOKERS) who venture inside, according to the owners of three stores
there and the company
that owns one of the stores that moved out.
Hey there's plenty of room on the list!
Each of these Malls could employ 1000 people.
Count How many Thousand jobs have been lost
Due to the smoking bans in the Malls.(Now Extinct).
Capital District of New York
Amsterdam Mall: Amsterdam, NY
Aviation Mall: Queensbury / Glens Falls, NY
Clifton Country Mall / Park Center: Clifton Park, NY
Cohoes Commons: Cohoes, NY
Johnstown Mall: Johnstown, NY
Latham Circle Mall: Latham, NY
Malta Mall, Round Lake/Malta, NY
Mohawk Mall, Schenectady, NY
Northway Mall, Albany, NY
Saratoga Mall, Wilton/Saratoga, NY
The Hudson Valley
Apollo Plaza: Monticello, NY
Dutchess Mall: Fishkill, NY
Galleria at Crystal Run: Middletown, NY
Hudson Valley Mall: Kingston, NY
Kings Mall: Kingston, NY
Mall At New Rochelle: New Rochelle, NY
Nanuet Mall: Nanuet, NY
Orange Plaza: Middletown, NY
South Hills Mall: Poughkeepsie, NY
Champlaine Valley of New York
Champlaine Centre (south), Plattsburgh, NY
Greater Syracuse Area of New York
Camillus Mall: Camillus, NY
Fayetteville Mall: Dewitt, NY
Marketplace Mall: Cicero, NY
Penn-Can Mall: Syracuse, NY
TriCounty Mall: Baldwinsville, NY
The Southern Tier Area of New York
Pyramid Mall: Ithaca, NY
Western New York
Boulevard Mall: Buffalo (Amherst), NY
Eastern Hills Mall: Buffalo (Clarence), NY
Fingerlakes Mall: Auburn, NY
Irondequoit Mall / Medley Centre: Rochester, NY
Lockport Mall: Lockport, NY
Main Place Mall: Buffalo, NY
Midtown Plaza: Rochester, NY
Rainbow Mall: Niagara Falls, NY
Seneca Mall: Buffalo (West Seneca), NY
Summit Park Mall: Wheatfield (Niagara Falls), NY
Maine
Auburn Mall: Auburn, ME
New Hampshire
Belknap Mall: Belknap, NH
Nashua Mall: Nashua, NH
Newington Mall: Newington, NH
Royal Ridge Mall: Nashua, NH
Massachusetts
Assembly Square Mall: Sommerville, MA
Baystate West / Tower Square: Springfield, MA
Dedham Mall: Dedham, MA
Fairfield Mall: Chicopee, MA
Hampshire Mall: Hadley, MA
Mountain Farms Mall: Hadley, MA
Methuen Mall: Methuen/Lawrence, MA
New Harbour Mall: Fall River, MA
Shoppers World: Natick, MA
Swansea Mall: Swansea, MA
Worcester Common Outlets / Worcester Fashion Outlets: Worcester, MA
Rhode Island
Davol Square Marketplace: Providence, RI
Lincoln Mall: Lincoln, RI
Rhode Island Mall: Warwick, RI
Wakefield Mall: Wakefield, RI
Wampanoag Mall: East Providence, RI
Pennsylvania
Camp Hill Mall: Camp Hill (Harrisburg), PA
Carlisle Plaza Mall: Carlisle, PA
Century III Mall: Pittsburgh, PA
Clearfield Mall: Clearfield, PA
Delco Plaza Mall: York, PA
Eastland Mall: North Versailles, PA
Greengate Mall: Hempfield, PA
Highlands Mall: Natrona Heights, PA
MacDade Mall: Holmes, PA [offsite]
MJ Mall: Carlisle, PA
Monroeville Mall: Monroeville / Pittsburgh, PA
North Hills Village Mall: Pittsburgh, PA
Northway Mall: Pittsburgh, PA
Parkway Center Mall: Pittsburgh, PA
Richland Mall: Johnstown, PA
Schuylkill Mall: Frackville, PA
Station Mall: Altoona, PA
Village Mall: Hatboro, PA
West Manchester Mall: York, PA
York Mall: York, PA
Vermont
Rutland Mall: Rutland, VT
Maryland
Allentown Outlet Mall: Morningside (near Andrews AFB), MD
Capital Plaza Mall: Landover, MD
Chatham Mall: Ellicott City, MD
Carrolltown Center: Eldersburg, MD
Golden Ring Mall: Rosedale, MD
Harundale Mall: Glen Burnie, MD
Hunt Valley Mall: Baltimore, MD
Landover Mall: Landover (near D.C.), MD
Laurel Mall: Laurel, MD
Owings Mills Mall: Baltimore, MD
Rockville Mall: Rockville, MD
Kentucky
Kyova Mall: Ashland, KY
Lexington Mall: Lexington, KY
Lincoln Mall: Owensboro, KY
Western Kentucky Factory Outlet Center: Eddyville, KY
Alaska
University Center: Anchorage, AK
North Carolina
Becker Village Mall: Roanoke Rapids, NC (from external web site)
Biltmore Square: Asheville, NC
Bulrington Square Mall: Burlington, NC
Carolina Circle Mall: Greensboro, NC [offsite]
Carolina East Mall: Greenville, NC
Eastland Mall: Charlotte, NC
Innsbruck Mall: Asheville, NC
Northpark Mall: Charlotte, NC
Salisbury Mall: Salisbury, NC
South Square Mall: Durham, NC
Tryon Mall: Charlotte, NC
South Carolina
Ashley Plaza Mall: Charleston, SC
Bell Tower Mall: Greenville, SC
Bush River Mall: Columbia, SC
Charles Towne Square: Charleston, SC
Columbia Place Mall: Columbia, SC
Decker Mall: Columbia, SC
Greenville Mall: Greenville, SC
McAlister Square Mall: Greenville, SC
Myrtle Square Mall: Myrtle Beach, SC
Richland Mall: Columbia, SC
Woodhill Mall: Columbia, SC
Georgia
Cobb Center Mall: Smyrna, GA
Columbia Mall / Avondale Mall: Dekalb County, GA
Columbus Square Mall: Columbus, GA
Regency Mall: Augusta, GA
Riverbend Mall: Rome, GA
Savannah Mall: Savannah, GA
Shannon Southpark Mall: Union City, GA
Indiana
Eastgate Shopping Center: Indianapolis, IN
Lafayette Square: Indianapolis, IN
Scottsdale Mall: South Bend, IN
Southtown Mall: Fort Wayne, IN
Washington Square Mall: Evansville, IN
Woodmar Mall: Hammond, IN [offsite]
Illinois
Belvidere Mall: Belvidere, IL
Brementown Mall: Tinley Park, IL
Brickyard Mall: Chicago, IL
Charlestowne Mall: St. Charles, IL
College Hills Mall: Normal, IL
Colonial Village Mall: Rockford, IL
Dixie Square Mall: Harvey, IL
Forest Park Mall: Forest Park, IL
Hillcrest Shopping Center: Joliet, IL
Jefferson Square Mall: Joliet, IL
Lakehurst Mall: Waukegan (chicago), IL
Lincoln Mall: Matteson, IL
Lincoln Square Mall: Urbana, IL
Machesney Park Mall: Machesney Park, IL
Meadows Town Mall: Rolling Meadows, IL
Old Chicago: Bolingbrook, IL [offsite]
One Schaumburg Place: Schaumburg, IL
Orland Park Place: Orland Park, IL
Randhurst Mall: Mount Prospect, IL
St Charles Mall: St Charles, IL
Town & Country Mall: Arlington Heights, IL
Washington Square Mall: Homewood, IL
Kansas
Hutchinson Mall: Hutchinson, KS
Mid-State Mall: Salina, KS
Mission Center / Mission Center Mall: Mission, KS
Newton Factory Outlet Mall: Newton, KS
Riverfront Outlet Mall: Lawrence, KS
The Mall: Hays, KS
Missouri
Antioch Shopping Center: North Kansas City, MO
Bannister Mall: Kansas City, MO
Blue Ridge Mall: Kansas City / Independence, MO
Crestwood Plaza: St Louis, MO
Metcalf South Shopping Center: Kansas City, MO
Metro North Mall: Kansas City, MO
Northland Shopping Center: Jennings, MO
North Town Mall: Springfield, MO
River Roads Mall: Jennings, MO
St Louis Centre: St Louis, MO
Mall At Wentzville Crossings: Wentzville, MO
Minnesota
Apache Plaza: St Anthony Village (Minneapolis), MN
The Conservatory: Minneapolis, MN
Bandana Square: St Paul, MN
Knollwood Mall: St Louis Park, MN
Westridge Mall: Fergus Falls, MN
South Dakota
Huron Mall: Huron, SD
University Mall: Brookings, SD
Nebraska
Conestoga Mall: Grand Island, NE
South Roads Mall: Bellevue (near Omaha), NE
Iowa
Muscatine Mall: Muscatine, IA
Old Capitol Mall: Iowa City, IA
Westdale Mall: Cedar Rapids, IA
Idaho
Country Club Mall: Idaho Falls, ID [offsite]
Ohio
American Mall: Lima, OH
Arcade Square: Dayton, OH
Beechmont Mall: Cincinnati , OH
Columbus City Center: Columbus, OH
Euclid Square Mall: Euclid, Ohio
Forest Fair Mall: Cincinnati , OH
New Market Mall: Columbus, OH
Northland Mall: Columbus, OH [offsite]
Northtowne Square Mall: Toledo, OH
Portside Festival Marketplace: Toledo, OH
Randall Park Mall: North Randall (Cleveland), OH
Rolling Acres Mall: Akron, OH
Salem Mall: Trotwood (Dayton), OH
Southland Mall: Marion, OH
Southwyck Mall: Toledo, OH
Surrey Square: Norwood, OH
Tiffin Mall: Tiffin, OH
Westland Mall: Columbus, OH
Western Woods Mall: Cincinnati , OH
Westgate Mall: Fairview Park (Cleveland), OH
Woodland Mall: Bowling Green, OH
Woodville Mall: Northwood (Toledo), OH
Colorado
Buckingham Square Mall: Aurora, CO
Cinderella City: Englewood, CO
Foothills Mall: Fort Collins, CO
Northglenn Mall: Denver, CO
North Valley Mall: Thornton, CO[offsite]
Lakeside Mall: Denver, Colorado [offsite]
Southglenn Mall: Denver, CO
Villa Italia: Lakewood, CO [offsite]
(from Continuum) and
Villa Italia: Lakewood, CO [offsite]
(from a fan)
Tennessee
100 Oaks Mall: Nashville, TN
Bellevue Mall / Bellevue Center: Nashville, TN
Church Street Center: Nashville, TN
College Square: Morristown, TN
Greenville Commons: Greenville, TN
Harding Mall: Nashville, TN
Hickory Hollow Mall: Nashville, TN
Mall Of Memphis: Memphis, TN
Peabody Place: Memphis, TN
Three Star Mall: McMinnville, TN
Virginia
Apple Blossom Mall: Winchester, VA
Azalea Mall: Richmond, VA
Cloverleaf Mall: Richmond, VA
Coliseum Mall: Hampton, VA
Delco Plaza Mall: Winchester, VA
Fairfield Commons (formerly Eastgate Mall): Richmond, VA
Landmark Mall: Alexandria, VA
Newmarket North / Newmarket Fair Mall: Hampton, VA
Manassas Mall: Manassas (near Washington DC), VA
Mercury Plaza Mall: Hampton, VA
Seven Corners Center: Falls Church, VA
Tanglewood Mall: Roanoke, VA
Tower Mall: Portsmouth (Norfolk), VA
Walnut Mall: Petersburg, VA
West Virginia
Martinsburg Mall: Martinsburg, WV
Middletown Mall: Fairmont, WV
Mountaineer Mall: Morgantown, WV
Wisconsin
Beaver Dam Mall: Beaver Dam, WI
Beloit Plaza / Mall: Beloit , WI
Lakeview Center: Manitowoc, WI
Northridge Mall: Milwaukee, WI
Original Outlet Mall: Kenosha, WI
Thunderbird Mall: Menomonie, WI
Valley Fair Mall: Appleton, WI
Village Mall: Menomonee Falls, WI
Louisiana
Belle Promenade: Marrero (New Orleans), LA
Bon Marche Mall: Baton Rouge, LA
New Orleans Centre: New Orleans, LA
Oakwood Mall: New Orleans, LA
The Plaza at Lake Forest: New Orleans, LA
South Park Mall: Shreveport, LA
Twin City Mall: Monroe, LA
Connecticut
Bristol Centre Mall: Bristol, CT
Chapel Square Mall: New Haven, CT
Charter Oak Mall: East Hartford, CT
Farmington Valley Mall (now Simsbury Commons): Avon, CT
Hartford Civic Center / Hartford 21: Hartford, CT
Lafayette Plaza / Hi-Ho Center: Bridgeport, CT
Meriden Mall: Meriden, CT
New Jersey
Bergen Mall: Paramus, NJ [offsite] (Robin Groves' awesome short film)
Echelon Mall: Voorhees, NJ
Fashion Center: Paramus, NJ
Flemington Mall: Flemington, NJ
Mall at IV: Paramus, NJ [offsite]
Manalapan Mall: Manalapan, NJ
Princeton Forrestal Village: Princeton, NJ
Seaview Square: Ocean Township, NJ
Shore Mall: Egg Harbor Township, NJ
The Mall at Fashion Place: North Brunswick, NJ
Willingboro (Levittown) Plaza: Levittown, NJ
Arizona
Los Arcos Mall: Scottsdale, AZ
Valley West Mall: Glendale, AZ [offsite]
Scottsdale Galleria: Phoeniz, AZ
Florida
Colonial Plaza Mall: Orlando, FL
Crossroads Mall: Clearwater, FL
Festival Bay Mall: Orlando, FL
Gulfgate Mall: Sarasota, FL
The Mall At 163rd St: North Miami Beach, FL
Miracle City Mall: Titusville, FL
Omni International Mall of Miami: Miami, FL
Osceola Square Mall: Kissimmee (Orlando), FL
Seminole Mall: Seminole, FL
Tampa Bay Center: Tampa, FL
Alabama
Century Plaza: Birmingham, AL
Eastwood Mall: Birmingham, AL
Mobile Festival Centre: Mobile, AL
Montgomery Mall: Montgomery, AL
Springdale Mall: Mobile, AL
The Mall: Huntsville, AL
Mississippi
Jackson Mall: Jackson, MS
Metro Center: Jackson, MS
Sawmill Square Mall: Laurel, MS
Arkansas
Indian Mall: Jonesboro, AR
Phoenix Village Mall: Fort Smith, AR
University Mall: Little Rock, AR
Michigan
Livonia Mall: Livonia (Detroit), MI
Northland Center Mall: Southfield (Detroit), MI
Summit Place Mall / Pontiac Mall: Waterford, MI
Universal Mall / Universal City: Warren, MI
Wonderland Mall: Livonia (Detroit), MI
Oklahoma
Crossroads Mall: Oklahoma City, OK
Eastland Mall: Tulsa, OK
Heritage Park Mall: Midwest City, OK
Shepherd Mall: Oklahoma City, OK
Texas
Big Town Mall: Mesquite (Dallas), TX
Forum 303 Mall: Arlington, TX
Greenspoint Mall: Houston, TX
Mall Of The Mainland: Houston, TX
North Hills Mall: North Richland Hills, TX
Pasadena Town Square: Pasadena, TX
Prestonwood Town Center: Dallas, TX
Richardson Square Mall: Richardson, TX
San Jacinto Mall: Baytown, TX
The Shops At Willow Bend: Plano, TX
Sunrise Mall: Corpus Christi, TX
Town & Country Mall: Houston, TX
Western Plaza: Amarillo, TX
Windsor Park Mall: San Antonio, TX
Washington
Blue Mountain Mall: Walla Walla, WA
Totem Lake Mall: Kirkland, WA
Oregon
Eastport Plaza: Portland, OR
Jantzen Beach Mall: Portland, OR
Mall 205: Portland, OR
Utah
Bell Canyon Center: Sandy, UT
Ogden City Mall: Ogden, UT
California
Central City Mall / Carousel Mall: San Bernardino, CA
Fallbrook Center: West Hills, CA
Hawthorne Mall: Hawthorne, CA
Indian Hill Mall: Pomona, CA
The Quad: Whittier, CA
Sherman Oaks Galleria: Los Angeles, CA
Whittwood Mall: Whittier, CA
New Mexico
Winrock Center: Albuquerque, NM
Ontario, Canada
Bayside Mall: Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
Galleria London: London, Ontario, Canada
Honeydale Mall: Etobicoke (Toronto), Ontario, Canada
Whitby Mall: Whitby, Ontario, Canada
Alberta, Canada
Heritage Mall: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Northtown Mall: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
New Brunswick, Canada
Prince Edward Square: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
Newfoundland, Canada
Mount Pearl Square: Mount Pearl, Newfoundland, Canada
Nova Scotia, Canada
Penhorn Mall: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
Betten Mann Betting 10:1 odds, $10.00 against every pound of horseshit
you can come up with,
IN TEN YEARS THIS LIST WILL DOUBLE !
& you can hold the stakes in your mouth !
Keep Up the Smoke Bans If you Can afford to go Broke !
Betten Ma...@yahoo.com
& Thanks for the help *'s @yahoo.com
David L. Martel
I live near Durham, NC where you suggest that South Square Mall is being
damaged by the smoking ban. South Square Mall closed and was torn down years
ago. It's been replaced by a Super Target. I've only been in there a few
times but it seems to be doing well.
NC has been smoking in State buildings but I don't think smoking is
banned elsewhere. This is a tobacco growing State.
Good luck,
Dave M.
Bruce Watson
<Bette...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Proof The Smokers are the Spenders.
>Ban The Smoker's Will You !
>Adopt a Ban in your state if you Dare...
>Make No Mistake ! This is REALITY!
>Villa Italia: Lakewood, CO [offsite]
I was at the site just last month enjoying pub food and
a craft beer in a pub that used to have a problem with smoke.
The old mall was so 1970s. It was deteriorating. The shops
left one by one. The site now is open air with a city-like
layout. It's now called Bel Mar. Plenty of shops, restaurants,
markets. There is a very large Whole Foods and a very large
Dick's Sporting Goods. I count 16 restaurants and cafes
from the directory. In all there are 82 businesses.
Open Air is now the rage. Northfields, where the old
airport used to be, is new. They built a similar layout
on the grounds that used to be Cinderella City. That was
touted to be the largest mall west of the Mississippi when
it opened in the 60s. It's now a mix of shops and condos
next to one of the light rail stations.
The demise of malls isn't because of smoking bans.
Villa Italia closed about 8 years ago. Our smoking ban
is not quite 2 years old. I supposed getting that nicotine
fix is now easier for the addict in such venues. Of course
they have to be 15 feet away from an entrance but smoking
is permitted in outdoor dining. Our climate permits outdoor
dining from about mid April to mid October.
Try again. If smoking bans were bad for the economy they would
be repealed right and left.
Bette...@yahoo.com
> In article <e0d3dfb4-16ca-4a57-acae-3b31be91c...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Just Enjoy it while you can.
Open air is now the rage...
Bwahahahahahahhaa
It's how the mall's are ridding themselves of the cheapskates.
Redesigned...or die !
The walkers put the smokers out years ago everywhere.
The redesigned mall is the result.
Further 132 Malls across the US are reversing their
structure.
Entrances to the outside, storespace and stockrooms
in the center halls... Free Space ....Gone !
** " Enjoy It you Cheapskates." **
Just about all malls across the US have
become free excercise pits for cheapskates.
Maybe that's the death knell 15 shoe stores
and the cheapskete walkers buy elsewhere.
Kmart, wall mart, payless....
but come to toss out the smokers and stink
up the mall for free....
Smart smoker's won't shop in any malls.
30% loss per year and there you go.
Closed up malls.
** " Best remedy ever. " **
Want Newer reality?
Why Sure...
http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080518/COMMUNITIES44/805180368
Empty stores worry merchants at Roxbury mall
Daily Record - May 18 1:19 AM ROXBURY -- A relocation sign on the
window of the In the Spotlights
store in the Ledgewood Mall portends a future of both hope and
demise.There are crowds of shoppers
(SMOKERS) at the mall's anchor stores that have outdoor entrances --
Macy's and Wal-Mart --
and at the freestanding stores separate from the main structure --
including a Barnes & Noble,
Sports Authority and The Men's Wearhouse.
But as the number of stores in the mall's interior dwindles, so does
the number of shoppers
(SMOKERS) who venture inside, according to the owners of three stores
there and the company
that owns one of the stores that moved out.
http://www.themonitor.com/news/mall_11177___article.html/centro_levcor.html
The fate of El Centro Mall remains uncertain
The Monitor - May 16 8:21 AMThe once vibrant shopping center has lost
many tenants.
Boot Jack store manager Ruben Casas said he has no idea what the
future holds for the
mostly empty El Centro Mall building in Pharr where he works.
http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080510/NEWS01/805100338
Heat may help, but falling economy hurts Visalia malls
Visalia Times-Delta / Tulare Advance-Register - May 10 4:12 AMWhen it
gets hot
outside and Visalia residents want to shop, in the past they've been
likely to go to one
of Visalia's two malls on Mooney Boulevard: Visalia Mall and Sequoia
Mall.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?rssFeed=news&id=29388
Big-box gap on Mag Mile
Crain's Chicago Business - May 10 10:53 AMThere are more vacant
storefronts around the
Magnificent Mile than at any time in the past 16 years, a sign that
even Chicago's premier
shopping strip isn't immune to the forces buffeting the broader
retail industry.
And things are likely to get worse before they get better, as
retailers vacate ...
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/business/stories/2008/05/18/oh_retail_struggle.ART_ART_05-18-08_D6_QGA7CR1.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=101
Once-booming mall, theater stung by lagging economy
The Columbus Dispatch - May 18 1:09 AM NORTH RANDALL, Ohio (AP) --
What once was called the world's largest shopping center has become a
cavernous echo chamber,
and the Cleveland-area cinema nearby often finds theaters empty when
the movie starts.
http://www.localnews8.com/global/story.asp?s=8274442
Are Malls Becoming the Next Dinosaur
KIFI Idaho Falls - May 06 10:03 PMBy the end of May, Dillard's, a
department inside the Pine Ridge
Mall in Chubbuck, will close its doors for good. This has some
wondering what is happening to local malls.
But some folks might be worried that the Pine Ridge Mall could turn
into what is now left of the Westwood Mall;
http://www.gazette.net/stories/050108/prinnew180121_32359.shtml
Study recommends changing four struggling shopping centers into
medical malls
Landover Mall, once a destination for shoppers, could now become a
destination for patients
At Knotts’ request, the County Council initiated in 2006 a request for
proposal for a study into
having county malls use vacant space for health services.
The study examined 104 shopping centers in the county and suggested
medical uses for
Landover Mall, Landover Crossing, Iverson Mall and Forestville Plaza
Shopping Center.
Oh so Cleaver...
Great Idea ! Let the Doctors and health system pay for the free
excercise pits.
Owner Lerner Properties eventually opted to empty out all but the
Sears store,
which still remains open. The rest of the mall was leveled in 2002.
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080421/NEWS03/804210313
Signs retailers are struggling are unavoidable at malls across
America.
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2008/04/23/news/business/doc480e1dc015bf2044363094.txt
B. Dalton Bookseller will close May 17, leaving
Westfield Gateway after 36 years and leaving the mall without a
bookstore.
Malls Across America Will All be Closed For Good in the Next 10 Years.
http://www.mlive.com/news/saginawnews/index.ssf?/base/news-26/121048322691770.xml&coll=9
Lobbying groups for bars and restaurants warned of the economic harm
if smokers chose to
exclusively drink and eat at home -- as opposed to stepping outside
for a smoke during an
evening out, as smokers do now in about three dozen states.
Hear The News? Brucie? It's coming.....
http://www.hanfordsentinel.com/articles/2008/04/24/opinion/letters/doc4810c62abc91e169806322.txt
Steve Scott ~ Asshole crybabies report's
We were nearly hit by feces from one pigeon just landing at the
entrance
I would also like to point out the improvised smoking area that is
being used by some employees.
As you enter the mall by Amigos, there is a natural gas manifold
system to the right by, I believe,
Not a very wise place to smoke if it should happen to vent due to
excessive pressure.
Steve: Where Have you ever seen a gas manifold vent?
But wait...lets save the free excercise pit....
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_126853.asp
Special Interest Legislation For Mall Owners Is Outlandish - And
Response
This is basically a tax we would be charged for the
“privilege of spending our money at their facility.” Unbelievable.
The Next Loser Stepped Up to Bat !
Developer plans six-building mall for Lexington
The Daily News - May 14 11:33 PMA Seattle investment company announced
plans Tuesday for an 80,000-square-foot shopping mall in Lexington
that could include a grocery store as well as restaurants and shops.
No Ban Lawsuits??
http://kob.com/article/stories/S440991.shtml?cat=504
Sunday, May 18, 2008
The councilor says he has decided to drop the smoking ban
proposal after it received an unenthusiastic response.
keep the blinders on watson....
What a nice day awaits your type.
Bette...@yahoo.com
Well you were to young to remember....
Smoking and ashtrays in all the stores....
Just last year JR cigar removed ashtrays and only smoking
in the cigar room now...
The mall removed ashtrays in their last two years....
Lesson not learned across the US....
But soon to be.
Bruce Watson
Like I said if smoking bans were responsible for a decline
in business--and therefore a decline in taxes--towns would be repealing
them faster than you can count.
That's not happening. On the contrary, they are being passed
faster than you can count.
Learn to live with it or stay home with your drug that doesn't
do anything. See if anybody cares.
clams_casino
>In article <c99269a5-3078-4471...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> <Bette...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Just Enjoy it while you can.
>>
>>
>
>Like I said if smoking bans were responsible for a decline
>in business--and therefore a decline in taxes--towns would be repealing
>them faster than you can count.
>
>That's not happening. On the contrary, they are being passed
>faster than you can count.
>
>
>
>
In RI, state-wide restauarnt receipts climbed after the smoking ban was
implimented.
Cindy Hamilton
> Smart smoker's won't shop in any malls.
Smart smokers is an oxymoron.
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> > Try again. If smoking bans were bad for the economy they would
> > be repealed right and left.
>
> Just Enjoy it while you can.
>
>
> Open air is now the rage...
> Bwahahahahahahhaa
Good God, Mann. Relax, would you? Have a smoke. Here, light one up.
MMmmmmm. Feel that good old nicotine burn? Let's put that one out and
light another. Ahhh, freshness like springtime! All done? Just toss the
butt out of your car window, saves emptying the ashtray. Yeah, flick it.
You can shoot it over there. Here, light another... where did you put
that stupid Bic? Oh, man, that's great. That smell sticks to your
fingers, doesn't it? It makes you think of cool tough guys and beautiful
dames, doesn't it? Smoking girls are the easiest, anyway- they know
smoking makes tongues hotter. Uh-oh, you're almost out. Only a couple
left in the pack. Better pick up an extra carton or two. You never know
when something bad might happen, like a war or a depression or
something, and you want to make sure you have enough smokes to tide you
over. Mann, that would be awful wouldn't it? If something like that
happened and you didn't have hardly any left? You still might be able to
scrounge some smokable butts out of ashtrays... IF anyone still smoked.
Smokes are really the only friend you can count on in the end.
Bette...@yahoo.com
> In article
> <e0d3dfb4-16ca-4a57-acae-3b31be91c...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Betten_M...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Ban The Smoker's Will You !
> > Adopt a Ban in your state if you Dare...
> > Make No Mistake ! This is REALITY!
>
> > Her's our next candidate to join our list !
>
> >http://www.nwanews.com/bcdr/News/61313/
>
> any reference to "smoking," "smoke,", or even "smok?"
>
> Nothing in that article about the Goody's store closing due to a smoking
> ban. Nothing in that article cites anything involving smoking at all.
>
> Hell, in NJ where I live, we have a very wide-ranging public smoking
> ban. Despite this, there's a large shopping mall only five minutes from
> where I live that has virtually no vacancies at all and the place is
> always packed whenever I go there, and several new stores have opened
> there in the past few months, plus a large Macy's is currently under
> construction there.
>
> In contrast, there's a strip mall directly up the street from where I
> live that has been mostly empty since I moved here over 12 years ago,
> which is long before NJ banned public smoking.
There were people walking around everywhere.
Now, there are a lot of people walking,
but many of them are like us, just for exercise.
Management keeps the place clean and the floors polished real nice,
but I do wonder sometimes how they can keep going and if there's
enough shopping traffic to stay open."
Is this what the article says?
Cheapskates ~ No?
Go ahead give the smokers the list of malls that
still provide astrays and have excerciser's walking & jogging.
Yes, the malls were ahead of the legal ban,
and the cheapskates lead the way.
what's the matter, anti~smokers don't want the credit
for this economic impact?
Face reality.
So the list grows..
Bette...@yahoo.com
> In article <c99269a5-3078-4471-84e7-ea94ba183...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> <Betten_M...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Just Enjoy it while you can.
>
> Like I said if smoking bans were responsible for a decline
> in business--and therefore a decline in taxes--towns would be repealing
> them faster than you can count.
>
> That's not happening. On the contrary, they are being passed
> faster than you can count.
>
> Learn to live with it or stay home with your drug that doesn't
> do anything. See if anybody cares.
Nobody Cares??
What you doing here then...
Is this the best medium you have to spread the word...
CHEAPSKATE
That's the word....
The repeals will come....
after the damage ....and you crybabies and nanny's
will be done for good.
There's no profit with non smokers...
their all cheapskates.
Bruce Watson
<Bette...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, the malls were ahead of the legal ban,
>and the cheapskates lead the way.
>
>what's the matter, anti~smokers don't want the credit
>for this economic impact?
It's been pointed out rents were higher in malls than
stand-alone stores. Couple that with cheap Chinese
goods and shopping on the Internet.
Smoking bans had nothing to do with the demise of malls.
You give smokers too much credit. If they were a driving
economic force by insisting their addiction being catered
to, bans would be repealed in large numbers. How many times
do I have to say it? That isn't happening. Learn to live with it.
Bruce Watson
<Bette...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>The repeals will come....
When?
Aspen, Colorado's ban is 23 years old. Old enough to drink.
Towns in California and Massachusetts passed them in the late
1980s & early 1990s. The rest of the nation followed. The
trend really took off in the 21st century.
Enactment is what's happening, not repeal.
rm...@my-deja.com
Malls in general have been on the decline. Only those who won't
examine all the reasons why will blame that on smoking bans.
Robert
Malls and suburbs were built for the same reason: white flight. Middle class whites wanted
to avoid diversity. In Levittown NY, the prototypical suburb, every deed contained this
restriction, "not to permit the premises to be used or occupied by any
person other than members of the caucasian race." The feds made Levitt remove that
restriction after a few years, but it continued de facto. In the 60s, there wasn't a
single black student in the Levittown schools.
Now, it seems half of mall shoppers are not middle class white Americans.
In 1995, 38% of retail sales were in malls, In 2002, it fell below 20%.
George Grapman
tobacco people warned that smokers would stop going to restaurants and bars.
Rod Speed
> rm...@my-deja.com wrote
>> David L. Martel <marte...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>> I live near Durham, NC where you suggest that South Square Mall is
>>> being damaged by the smoking ban. South Square Mall closed and
>>> was torn down years ago. It's been replaced by a Super Target.
>>> I've only been in there a few times but it seems to be doing well.
>>> NC has been smoking in State buildings but I don't think smoking
>>> is banned elsewhere. This is a tobacco growing State.
>> Malls in general have been on the decline. Only those who won't
>> examine all the reasons why will blame that on smoking bans.
> Malls and suburbs were built for the same reason: white flight.
Have fun explaining how come they happened even in countrys with no one but whites in them.
> Middle class whites wanted to avoid diversity.
Have fun explaining how come they happened even in countrys with no one but whites in them.
> In Levittown NY, the prototypical suburb, every deed contained
> this restriction, "not to permit the premises to be used or occupied
> by any person other than members of the caucasian race."
Have fun explaining how come suburbs happened
even in countrys with no one but caucasians in them.
> The feds made Levitt remove that restriction after a few
> years, but it continued de facto. In the 60s, there wasn't
> a single black student in the Levittown schools.
Have fun explaining how come suburbs happened
even in countrys with no one but caucasians in them.
> Now, it seems half of mall shoppers are not middle class white Americans.
They never ever were.
rm...@my-deja.com
> Reminds me of the fear campaign when San Francisco enacted a ban. The
> tobacco people warned that smokers would stop going to restaurants and bars.
And the fact remains that we won't fall for the fear mongering and
distortions put forth by the pro-smoking lobby.
George Grapman
A number of years ago we had an initiative on the ballot to raise the
cigarette tax. The tobacco industry ran a fear campaign saying that the
higher tax would make it lucrative for gangs to hijack trucks carrying
cigarettes.Of course it never happened.
Bruce Watson
Except for smokers and other people involved in the tobacco scam,
I wonder why anyone would care? Did they think trucks carrying
cigarettes carried other things too? Maybe that was it. They were
afraid their food and other necessities would be hijacked along with.
Higher cigarette taxes benefits everyone except smokers, who
are only 21% of the population, and those who profit from the
misery of the addicted. They even benefit smokers if they
encourage them to quit or never start.
rm...@my-deja.com
> A number of years ago we had an initiative on the ballot to raise the
> cigarette tax. The tobacco industry ran a fear campaign saying that the
> higher tax would make it lucrative for gangs to hijack trucks carrying
> cigarettes.Of course it never happened.
And in a similar stroke of absurdity, a editorial from one of these
local free papers (no wonder they're free with writing like this)
claimed that a "casualty" of the local smoking ban and tax increase
was a teenager who got hit by a taxi cab when trying to flee a store
after stealing a pack of cigarettes. The writer's "logic" was that if
cigarettes weren't so expensive, then the guy wouldn't have been
tempted to steal them. Need I point out how absurd that is?
George Grapman
The ad specifically mentioned cigarettes claiming that with a higher
tax criminals would steal them and resell them.