What's your monthly grocery spending?
OhioGuy
the USA spends $900 a month on groceries, plus more on eating out at
restaurants.
I was shocked! Is this true?
We have a family of 4, and our grocery budget is only $180 a month. Until
last month, it was $160 a month, but we had to raise it a bit because many
food prices have gone up 20 to 30% in the past year.
I know that most folks would consider me frugal, but I had no idea we were
getting by on 20% of what the average similar sized family was spending.
How much do you spend on groceries a month?
clams_casino
For the past twelve years, we (two) have averaged $320/month. In 2007,
we averaged about $360/mo ($84/wk). As reported previously, we've seen
our monthly grocery bill jump to about $500 during both Jan & Feb of
this year with no apparent change in habits. (We tend to eat primarily
fresh fruits & vegetables with minimal frozen / canned / boxed items,
fresh seafood 1-2 times / week and not all that much meat or prepared
items.)
I suspect $900/mo is probably valid for four, especially if there is a
teenager. A lot will depend on what you include. Many kids today seem
to have both breakfast & lunch at school which could significantly
reduce their grocery costs. Although we tend to buy paper, personal
& cleaning products, etc at Walmart, we included them as grocery items.
Bill
Note we are shopping at the least expensive grocery store and always looking
at the PRICE PER OUNCE shelf labels for each item and always buying the
least expensive [per ounce] brand/product.
So an item might be small package at 63 cents per ounce with a price of
$2.65 and another brand of the same thing will be a larger package at 19
cents per ounce and a price of $8.95.
We buy the 19 cents per ounce package at $8.95.
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i'm not really sure. more than most because we (2 of us) eat almost 100%
organic. i buy a side of beef at a time and it lasts a long time. buy cx
by the case. i can tell you that we spend 100/mon just on dairy & eggs.
we do a csa thing that runs about 20/wk for 28wks for produce. it's mostly
veggies, so i still have to buy fruit. meat probably runs us about
100/mon. so we're up to about 300/mon for meat, dairy and produce. that
doesn't include the ben and jerry's when i go on an ice cream jag. :)
Seerialmom
I stopped "grocery shopping" years ago so I can't say specifically
what the expense is. I can say I'll spend under $20 at Grocery Outlet
(think Big Lots for groceries), stock up every few months of loss
leader meats (local store has USDA choice Tri-tip on sale $2.97 a
pound, trimmed) and fill in gaps with bargains found at Costco and the
99¢ Only Store. So it's most likely around the same amount you
mention you spend or less. As for eating out; I spend about $20 a
month. I know I'm in the minority as most people are creatures of
habit and go every Saturday and buy the same prepackaged products and
brands they always have without price comparisons.
I want to know who these "average families" are; it can't be the
average for the whole US.
Cindy Hamilton
About $600 for the two of us, plus more for restaurant meals. We both
work and are willing to trade money for time.
Cindy Hamilton
clams_casino
> i can tell you that we spend 100/mon just on dairy & eggs.
>
>
Have you noticed the price of eggs lately?
A year ago, we were paying $1.50/dozen at the grocer ($0.99 at
Walmart). Yesterday I noticed $2.59 for large eggs at the grocer.
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2.75/doz for organic free range (not just cage free; they actually get to
run
all over outside) from my amish farmer. really orange yolks.
after sitting down and thinking;
every 3 wks: 200 at the far away health food store
60 with my amish farmer for eggs & dairy
weeks 1&2 total 100 at the nearby health food store for produce, milk
(this incls 40 for csa during the
summer)
360/3=120wk 120*52=6240yr = 520/calendar mon for produce and dairy
add in about 100/mon for bf, cx. pork, turkey, tuna.
so i guess we spend about 600-650/mon for the 2 of us. we don't eat out
all that often, maybe 2x/month, usually breakfast. so round it up to
700/mon. this does include cleaning supplies and personal care items, but
not paper products.
expensive, i know. and i cook from scratch. speaking of which, my bean
soup is whining at me. :)
i'd like to put in a garden, but i'd guess that all the hoodlums will steal
from it when prices start to rise. i've got no way to protect it.
Dennis
<PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Have you noticed the price of eggs lately?
>
>A year ago, we were paying $1.50/dozen at the grocer ($0.99 at
>Walmart). Yesterday I noticed $2.59 for large eggs at the grocer.
I haven't noticed the price of our eggs changing, but I have noticed
that chicken feed has gone up. :-)
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
hchi...@hotmail.com
<PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
DW gets them for $1/doz from a neighbor.
What we have noticed going up in price is fresh produce. We have to
get a garden going this year or we'll be eating only frozen or canned.
Thank goodness we bought a big energy efficent freezer. We've been
much more able to take advantage of sales.
clams_casino
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>>> i can tell you that we spend 100/mon just on dairy & eggs.
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>>Have you noticed the price of eggs lately?
>>
>>A year ago, we were paying $1.50/dozen at the grocer ($0.99 at Walmart).
>>Yesterday I noticed $2.59 for large eggs at the grocer.
>>
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>
>2.75/doz for organic free range (not just cage free; they actually get to
>run
>all over outside) from my amish farmer. really orange yolks.
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That may not last long -
http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/216817 - 2/16/08
"Stores across the country are selling a dozen large Grade A eggs
<http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/eggs/> at an average of
$1.92 this week.
United States Department of Agriculture figures show that is up from
$1.19 last September, $1.03 in June and just 84 cents in April.
Martin blamed the high egg prices
<http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/price/> on several
factors, led by the dramatic rise in the price
<http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/price/> of the corn
<http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/corn/> and soybeans used
to feed chickens."
Al Bundy
Please give us a clue as to what you are eating for $1.50 per
person. I spend more than your grocery budget just for myself.
Dennis
>Thank goodness we bought a big energy efficent freezer. We've been
>much more able to take advantage of sales.
Not to mention cutting your use of 'i's by 33%!
;-)
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> That may not last long -
> http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/216817 - 2/16/08
>
> "Stores across the country are selling a dozen large Grade A eggs
> <http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/eggs/> at an average of
> $1.92 this week.
>
> United States Department of Agriculture figures show that is up from $1.19
> last September, $1.03 in June and just 84 cents in April.
>
> Martin blamed the high egg prices
> <http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/price/> on several
> factors, led by the dramatic rise in the price
> <http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/price/> of the corn
> <http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/15/1/corn/> and soybeans used
> to feed chickens."
so, i wonder what chickens in the wild eat. i know they eat grass, weed,
bugs. anything else. seems to me there's no need to feed free range
chickens anything.
>
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no frt or veggies; lots of cheap carbos.
>
Terryc
> I know that most folks would consider me frugal, but I had no idea we were
> getting by on 20% of what the average similar sized family was spending.
You need to go shopping and look at what the aveage punter puts in their
grocery trolley.
Also be aware of what an "average" grocery buy is considered to be. As
my mum was saying on the weekend, when she was doing a welfare worker
course, she was given zero for a question like "How many packets of
bicsuits could a family on welfare of $???.?? each week afford to buy?"
Apparently zero was the incorrect answer.
OTOH, our major component is fruit and vege from the greengrocer as we
buy very little pre-processed stuff.
clams_casino
That might just cover the TP, soap & washing detergent in our home.
$180/mo comes out to 50 cents/person per meal.
I'm not sure I could prepare 240 portions of soup for $180 (2x/day x 4
people) without using a lot of water.
Marsha
> Al Bundy wrote:
>> Please give us a clue as to what you are eating for $1.50 per
>> person. I spend more than your grocery budget just for myself.
>>
> That might just cover the TP, soap & washing detergent in our home.
>
> $180/mo comes out to 50 cents/person per meal.
>
> I'm not sure I could prepare 240 portions of soup for $180 (2x/day x 4
> people) without using a lot of water.
It doesn't look that difficult to me. If you have the time to plan
ahead, have freezer space, and don't use convenience meals, you can have
healthy balanced meals on a reasonable budget. Leave out the sodas,
expensive cereals, etc.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/424117/how_to_feed_a_family_of_four_on_200.html
Marsha
Jeff
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>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
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>>> i can tell you that we spend 100/mon just on dairy & eggs.
>
>> Have you noticed the price of eggs lately?
>>
>> A year ago, we were paying $1.50/dozen at the grocer ($0.99 at Walmart).
>> Yesterday I noticed $2.59 for large eggs at the grocer.
>
> 2.75/doz for organic free range (not just cage free; they actually get to
> run
> all over outside) from my amish farmer. really orange yolks.
Are you buying directly from the farmer?
How much is the milk, how are you buying that?
It's been a couple years since I bought Amish produce (when I was taken
care of Mom in Ohio). But we used to go often and buy from some we got
to know pretty well. Eggs were about .80/dz and 10 gallons of raw milk
was about $10.00. I always thought the prices were pretty good, maybe
they just liked us english.
Even back then they complained about the price of energy. A lot of
people don't realize that they (even the very conservative) use quite a
bit of kerosene, gasoline and diesel. They just use it back at the barn
or house (kerosene). All the Amish I knew had stationary farm machinery.
I've since met Amish that live relatively modern lives (trucks and
digital cameras), I guess it depends on the local clan what you are allowed.
Jeff
Jeff
Well, I suppose a lot depends on how you buy. I've been eating a lot
of chicken lately at about .50/lb for a 10 pound bag. Usually I can find
some in season veggie I can get for under a $1/pound. I only buy fruit
in season, which drives the cost down and the quality up (.39/lb peaches
are much better than $1.50 /lb, a $2 watermellon is always better than a
$10 watermellon). Add a cheap starch (rice, pasta or potatoes) and you
can can, if you wish, eat well for not much money. Still $1.50 a day is
pretty cheap, it doesn't leave any room for extravagances.
Now, if you are buying prepared foods, and buying out of season, all
bets are off. The surprising thing is how much grains have risen in
cost. Well not so surprising with corn for ethanol demand, what a fiasco
that is.
Jeff
Al Bundy
Yes, we take every one of your troll posts here with a grain of salt
too. Then again, based upon your other posts, perhaps you would be
willing to have your family eat floor sweepings. What a life!
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> Are you buying directly from the farmer?
yes; he brings his stuff to the far away health food store i go to.
that's why i go there every 3 wks, because that's when he comes there.
>
> How much is the milk, how are you buying that?
i buy it from the same farmer; he's a dairy farmer. all organic grassfed.
i get it raw, as well as raw cheese, raw cottage cheese, and raw cream.
milk is 4.50/gal.
i also buy organic pork and bacon from him when he has it in. and stewing
chickens when i need them.
i also buy raw goat's milk at the hf store. it's 12-16 a gal, depending on
which store. i use 1/2 gal/week. i'm looking to get it at 9 a gallon,
but i need enough people to achieve a minimum delivery amount. working on
it.
>
> Even back then they complained about the price of energy. A lot of
> people don't realize that they (even the very conservative) use quite a
> bit of kerosene, gasoline and diesel. They just use it back at the barn or
> house (kerosene). All the Amish I knew had stationary farm machinery. I've
> since met Amish that live relatively modern lives (trucks and digital
> cameras), I guess it depends on the local clan what you are allowed.
yeah. many, if not most, do have electricity these days, i think.
they're just off the grid. my farmer shares a phone booth with 2 other
farmers. but no cell phone, ipod, computer, etc. i know my farmer has
inverters, so i'm guessing he's got electric somehow. and some of those
buggies are pretty pimped out with a sound system. there's a business
around here that will install them in the buggies.
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> It doesn't look that difficult to me. If you have the time to plan ahead,
> have freezer space, and don't use convenience meals, you can have healthy
> balanced meals on a reasonable budget. Leave out the sodas, expensive
> cereals, etc.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/424117/how_to_feed_a_family_of_four_on_200.html
yep. this is how my grandkids are fed. they are thin and sickly looking.
very pale, as in not enough iron from red meat. not enough protein and
fresh veggies. too many simple carbs and crappy fats.
the 1st grader is starting to show breast buds. i've put my dil on notice
that she'll probably start her period before she's 10. why? because of all
the crappy hormone and pesticide-laden milk, meat and carbs she's being fed.
but wtf, it's cheap, right? that's the problem in this country. we don't
know the REAL cost of REAL food.
REAL food doesn't come in a bag or a box. REAL food isn't full of
pesticides, fake fertilizer, or hormones. REAL food isn't fed dead animals
or allowed to crap all over themselves. people all over the world spend
way more of their income to feed themselves than we do here (you can see the
cost of REAL food for the 2 of us is at least 500/mon, since i can probably
economize by only buying in-season produce, which i mostly do, but not
100%).
we just shovel in shit. which of course has allowed us to spend our money
on totally unneeded crap like suvs, video games, cable tv, and the latest
gotta have it fashions. then we have to run to the doctor for pills to
make us better. what crap!!!
Al Bundy
Don't take this unkindly, OH Guy, but I can't help wondering if some
of your wife's health problems (another post) might not be related or
made worse by the malnutrition you are subjecting the family to. Your
health is the best investment you can buy.
val189
> the USA spends $900 a month on groceries, plus
>
budget or bills?
is only $180 a month. Until
> last month, it was $160 a month, but we had to raise it a bit because many
> food prices have gone up 20 to 30% in the past year.
You must be eating out 6 days out of 7, and/or your family of 4 is you
and three fleas. You ain't tellin' all.
Jeff
Now that I've got to see! What part of the country are you in?
The Amish I knew (Medina County, Ohio) had a two battery limit, but
they all had nice LED flashlights. I'm blown away by the inverters, but
I think the grid connect is really where the line is drawn. I don't
think even they understand the rules.
there's a business
> around here that will install them in the buggies.
Wild! You know, I've never seen an Amish Buggy that wasn't hauling
ass, so to speak. I can't quite imagine one flying down the road with a
bump. What kind of music do they play?
Jeff
>
>
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>> yeah. many, if not most, do have electricity these days, i think.
>> they're just off the grid. my farmer shares a phone booth with 2 other
>> farmers. but no cell phone, ipod, computer, etc. i know my farmer has
>> inverters, so i'm guessing he's got electric somehow. and some of those
>> buggies are pretty pimped out with a sound system.
>
> Now that I've got to see! What part of the country are you in?
pa. my farmer lives about a mile from where those girls were killed.
i called him, and his 8 kids go to that school. there's a lot of small
one room schools all over the place down there. several families get
together, build a school, hire the teacher, etc. those families are
responsible for that school and it's expenses.
> The Amish I knew (Medina County, Ohio) had a two battery limit, but they
> all had nice LED flashlights. I'm blown away by the inverters, but I think
> the grid connect is really where the line is drawn. I don't think even
> they understand the rules.
yeah, i think it's the grid, too. what rules are you talking about?
> there's a business
>> around here that will install them in the buggies.
>
> Wild! You know, I've never seen an Amish Buggy that wasn't hauling ass,
> so to speak. I can't quite imagine one flying down the road with a bump.
> What kind of music do they play?
the buggies are pokey here. at least the ones i've been behind. i have
no idea what music they play. or if there are rules specifying what's
allowed.
Al Bundy
Exactly Val, OG is a troll of sorts anyway. He always leaves out
crucial details, which in this case is what does he eat and what does
his grocery bill include and exclude. And is any of his post even
true? When you track this guy you find a line of BS a mile long. Some
of it is just bragging, and then later you find he spends more than a
normal person. We know he's willing to subject his wife and kids to
about anything to save a penny. Don't drop a penny while you are
reaching for your keys either because he will be bent over fighting
you for it. Yes, he does eat out using coupons he clips or finds on
the floor at the mall. It is funny to read some of his antics, but it
can only be considered food for thought, not anything factual at all.
Jeff
> "Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
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>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
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>>> yeah. many, if not most, do have electricity these days, i think.
>>> they're just off the grid. my farmer shares a phone booth with 2 other
>>> farmers. but no cell phone, ipod, computer, etc. i know my farmer has
>>> inverters, so i'm guessing he's got electric somehow. and some of those
>>> buggies are pretty pimped out with a sound system.
>> Now that I've got to see! What part of the country are you in?
>
> pa. my farmer lives about a mile from where those girls were killed.
Oh, I am so sorry about that.
> i called him, and his 8 kids go to that school. there's a lot of small
> one room schools all over the place down there. several families get
> together, build a school, hire the teacher, etc. those families are
> responsible for that school and it's expenses.
I'm not sure how it is "here". I do know they have a more or less
normal curriculum but only go to school until they are about 14.
I bought all the kids new gloves one year (found a good price) and
later found that pleased the kids to no end because they felt better
about their *appearance* going to school. They don't care about colors
and such but they really like new and nice goods. I can still picture a
couple of the girls coming up to me just beaming with the new gloves.
I think they got a big kick out of me. I'd often see them at evening
milking time and being a city guy had never milked a cow. Well they
invited me to try and the next thing I knew all the kids were gathered
around laughing like crazy!
>
>> The Amish I knew (Medina County, Ohio) had a two battery limit, but they
>> all had nice LED flashlights. I'm blown away by the inverters, but I think
>> the grid connect is really where the line is drawn. I don't think even
>> they understand the rules.
>
> yeah, i think it's the grid, too. what rules are you talking about?
Oh, man. They've got a lot! Theirs an Amish term for them I can't quite
remember. For all the horses they have, you never see an Amish *on* a
horse. Bicycles are forbidden. It's OK to bring logs back to the barn
and use machinery to cut them, but no chainsaws in the woods. I didn't
often ask, but I remember asking about chainsaws and he just looked kind
of sad and said "we are not allowed".
>
>> there's a business
>>> around here that will install them in the buggies.
>> Wild! You know, I've never seen an Amish Buggy that wasn't hauling ass,
>> so to speak. I can't quite imagine one flying down the road with a bump.
>> What kind of music do they play?
>
> the buggies are pokey here.
Seems like they are active about dusk. I'd see them flying down the
road and it looked to me that they were going as fast as they could. I
suppose if I was in a car behind one I'd have a different impression!
Jeff
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> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> pa. my farmer lives about a mile from where those girls were killed.
>
> Oh, I am so sorry about that.
correction>>>> i called him, and his 8 kids DON'T go to that school.
<<<correction
> I'm not sure how it is "here". I do know they have a more or less normal
> curriculum but only go to school until they are about 14.
8th grade. they believe that any more education makes a person
full of pride in himself, which is a sin.
> I bought all the kids new gloves one year (found a good price) and later
> found that pleased the kids to no end because they felt better about their
> *appearance* going to school. They don't care about colors and such but
> they really like new and nice goods. I can still picture a couple of the
> girls coming up to me just beaming with the new gloves.
yep, they're a frugal lot. waste not, want not, use it up, buy as little
from the english as possible.
>
> I think they got a big kick out of me. I'd often see them at evening
> milking time and being a city guy had never milked a cow. Well they
> invited me to try and the next thing I knew all the kids were gathered
> around laughing like crazy!
i donated a dollar at the fair to milk my first cow. soft and silky teats.
got milk. pretty cool.
>> yeah, i think it's the grid, too. what rules are you talking about?
>
> Oh, man. They've got a lot! Theirs an Amish term for them I can't quite
> remember. For all the horses they have, you never see an Amish *on* a
> horse. Bicycles are forbidden. It's OK to bring logs back to the barn
but foot propelled scooters are ok, as are huge tricycles that are found
at their vacationing grounds in sarasota, fl. but i think i've seen amish
up
the river on bikes (young boys). maybe it was a scooter.
> and use machinery to cut them, but no chainsaws in the woods. I didn't
> often ask, but I remember asking about chainsaws and he just looked kind
> of sad and said "we are not allowed".
do they hunt? maybe it scares away the game? maybe they don't want
the temptation of greed and figure that no chainsaw means less logs to
process?
Rod Speed
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote
>> I'm not sure how it is "here". I do know they have a more or less
>> normal curriculum but only go to school until they are about 14.
> 8th grade. they believe that any more education makes a person full of pride in himself, which is a sin.
Wota packa terminal fuckwits.
> do they hunt?
Nope.
> maybe it scares away the game? maybe they don't want the temptation of greed and figure that no chainsaw means less
> logs to process?
Or maybe they are just terminal fuckwits.
William Souden
imascot
> Oh, man. They've got a lot! Theirs an Amish term for them I can't quite
> remember. For all the horses they have, you never see an Amish *on* a
> horse. Bicycles are forbidden. It's OK to bring logs back to the barn
> and use machinery to cut them, but no chainsaws in the woods. I didn't
> often ask, but I remember asking about chainsaws and he just looked kind
> of sad and said "we are not allowed".
>>
The rules are called Ordnung. Here's a good article about how they interact with technology:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish_pr.html
J.
Rod Speed
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in
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>
>> Oh, man. They've got a lot! Theirs an Amish term for them I can't
>> quite remember. For all the horses they have, you never see an Amish
>> *on* a horse. Bicycles are forbidden. It's OK to bring logs back to
>> the barn and use machinery to cut them, but no chainsaws in the
>> woods. I didn't often ask, but I remember asking about chainsaws and
>> he just looked kind of sad and said "we are not allowed".
> The rules are called Ordnung.
Thats just the word for rules in their language. They call us english for a reason.
Jeff
>
> do they hunt?
Absolutely. They like to hunt.
maybe it scares away the game? maybe they don't want
> the temptation of greed and figure that no chainsaw means less logs to
> process?
No, I think it's something else.
You may wish to read the article posted in this thread about ordnance:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish_pr.html
That seems right to me.
I still can't figure out the buggy radio though...
Jeff
>
>
Rod Speed
>> do they hunt?
> Absolutely. They like to hunt.
That aint the reason for the ban on chainsaws.
They also ban most powered farm machinery, where there is nothing to hunt.
>> maybe it scares away the game? maybe they don't want the temptation of greed and figure that no chainsaw means less
>> logs to process?
> No, I think it's something else.
Yep, the general ban on powered farm machinery outside.
Its mostly because they want their fools to do things the labor intensive
way that involves lots of interaction between the individuals involved.
> You may wish to read the article posted in this thread about ordnance:
> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish_pr.html
> That seems right to me.
It doesnt explain the more bizarre exceptions very well tho.
> I still can't figure out the buggy radio though...
Usual problem with silly rules, you'll always get stupid exceptions, like the initial one seen
with phones and more recently with cellphones being accepted but not landline phones.
The ban on education past 8th grade in spades.
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> <snip>
>>
>> do they hunt?
>
> Absolutely. They like to hunt.
>
> maybe it scares away the game? maybe they don't want
>> the temptation of greed and figure that no chainsaw means less logs to
>> process?
>
> No, I think it's something else.
>
> You may wish to read the article posted in this thread about ordnance:
>
> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish_pr.html
>
i really like their selective use of technology. one of my sisters never
answers the phone and the ringer is off. i don't go that far, but i don't
just answer it because it rings. only ones guaranteed a pickup are dh and
ds's. haven't had call waiting since my kids left home; only had it then
so they could get thru.
Jeff
> "Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
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>> <snip>
>>> do they hunt?
>> Absolutely. They like to hunt.
>>
>> maybe it scares away the game? maybe they don't want
>>> the temptation of greed and figure that no chainsaw means less logs to
>>> process?
>> No, I think it's something else.
>>
>> You may wish to read the article posted in this thread about ordnance:
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish_pr.html
>>
> really great article.
>
> i really like their selective use of technology. one of my sisters never
> answers the phone and the ringer is off. i don't go that far, but i don't
> just answer it because it rings.
It's a different set of priorities and it's hard not to say that the
Amish are right. I genuinely like them and admire their devotion to
their families and their religion. They live by never setting themselves
above another.
only ones guaranteed a pickup are dh and
> ds's. haven't had call waiting since my kids left home; only had it then
> so they could get thru.
Well, I've found that not answering the phone promptly when the boss
is calling leads to big trouble, but it's hard not to say how it's
diminished our lives. How many people complain about being unintended
participants in someone else's cell phone call.
Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
The Real Bev
> How many people complain about being unintended
> participants in someone else's cell phone call.
I think the solution here is to participate. Ask questions. Offer
opinions. Ask to borrow the phone so you can tell the other person
exactly what he SHOULD do. Be helpful. Just because you were drafted
it doesn't mean you should be mean and resentful.
--
Cheers, Bev
*****************************************************
Nothing is so stupid that you can't find somebody who
did it at least once if you look hard enough.
Jeff
> Jeff wrote:
>
>> How many people complain about being unintended participants in
>> someone else's cell phone call.
>
> I think the solution here is to participate. Ask questions. Offer
> opinions. Ask to borrow the phone so you can tell the other person
> exactly what he SHOULD do. Be helpful. Just because you were drafted
> it doesn't mean you should be mean and resentful.
What a concept Bev! I'm going to switch my vote for president to you.
This is the kind of leadership we need!
Jeff
>
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> It's a different set of priorities and it's hard not to say that the
> Amish are right. I genuinely like them and admire their devotion to their
> families and their religion. They live by never setting themselves above
> another.
they are right in those priorities, but they're not very generous, at least
to
the english. and i think they're the largest owners of puppy mills here in
pa.
and not much smiling. it took me a while to get one out of my farmer.
actually, it was more like a giggle. i had just come off a string of
grands
being born and happened to say that my kids were breeding like rabbits.
> Well, I've found that not answering the phone promptly when the boss is
> calling leads to big trouble, but it's hard not to say how it's diminished
> our lives. How many people complain about being unintended participants in
> someone else's cell phone call.
>
interesting that your boss thinks he/she can just interrupt your life at
will. unless you're oncall and you get cellphone pay.
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Jeff
> "Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
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>
>> It's a different set of priorities and it's hard not to say that the
>> Amish are right. I genuinely like them and admire their devotion to their
>> families and their religion. They live by never setting themselves above
>> another.
>
> they are right in those priorities, but they're not very generous, at least
> to
> the english.
I suspect this strongly varies. I knew a handful of families and the
ones I was closest to always were more than fair. And happy to see us. I
remember pulling up on one cold snowy day and when I looked toward the
farmhouse, the nearest window was just stuffed with Amish waving at me.
and i think they're the largest owners of puppy mills here in
> pa.
> and not much smiling. it took me a while to get one out of my farmer.
> actually, it was more like a giggle. i had just come off a string of
> grands
> being born and happened to say that my kids were breeding like rabbits.
Ah, bonding!
I think some Amish are definitely more business like than others. I
dealt more with of the ones that were weren't.
>
>> Well, I've found that not answering the phone promptly when the boss is
>> calling leads to big trouble, but it's hard not to say how it's diminished
>> our lives. How many people complain about being unintended participants in
>> someone else's cell phone call.
>>
> interesting that your boss thinks he/she can just interrupt your life at
> will. unless you're oncall and you get cellphone pay.
Well, it was his cellphone! I've since changed that.
Jeff
>
>
AllEmailDeletedImmediately
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> they are right in those priorities, but they're not very generous, at
>> least to the english.
>
> I suspect this strongly varies. I knew a handful of families and the ones
> I was closest to always were more than fair. And happy to see us. I
> remember pulling up on one cold snowy day and when I looked toward the
> farmhouse, the nearest window was just stuffed with Amish waving at me.
fair, yes. friendly, if they know you. not the same as generous.
large window, eh?
>> and not much smiling. it took me a while to get one out of my farmer.
>> actually, it was more like a giggle. i had just come off a string of
>> grands being born and happened to say that my kids were breeding like
>> rabbits.
>
> Ah, bonding!
:) never thought i'd see an amish man in his mid forties giggle. they're
so stern-looking.
> I think some Amish are definitely more business like than others. I
> dealt more with of the ones that were weren't.
they do get friendlier as they get to know you.
val189
2006
groceries - $4,270
dining out - $2,060
dining on vacation - $1,375
total: $7705
2007
groceries - $3,750
dining out - $2560
vacation dining - $1680
total: $7,990
Anyone's amt. spent on groceries is misleading, unless you know how
they ate for the entire 365 days. I spent less on grocs. last year
than the year before, but my total output for food was higher because
we ate out more often.
Jeff
> "Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
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>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>>> they are right in those priorities, but they're not very generous, at
>>> least to the english.
>> I suspect this strongly varies. I knew a handful of families and the ones
>> I was closest to always were more than fair. And happy to see us. I
>> remember pulling up on one cold snowy day and when I looked toward the
>> farmhouse, the nearest window was just stuffed with Amish waving at me.
>
> fair, yes. friendly, if they know you. not the same as generous.
> large window, eh?
It may be hard to be generous when you have a family of 14 to
support. I was paying below market prices though.
>
>>> and not much smiling. it took me a while to get one out of my farmer.
>>> actually, it was more like a giggle. i had just come off a string of
>>> grands being born and happened to say that my kids were breeding like
>>> rabbits.
>> Ah, bonding!
>
> :) never thought i'd see an amish man in his mid forties giggle. they're
> so stern-looking.
>
>> I think some Amish are definitely more business like than others. I
>> dealt more with of the ones that were weren't.
>
> they do get friendlier as they get to know you.
That, I believe, has a lot to do with it. My friend had know them for
years before I met them. We'd usually bring them something and they
would give us something back.
Jeff
>
>