The Definition
نسمة ايمان
What does 'Islam' mean? Islam is not a new religion, but the same
truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people;
Islam is both a religion and the complete way of life. Muslims follow
a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness. The Arabic word 'Islam'
simply means 'submission', and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. In
a religious cont ext it means complete submission to the will of God.
'Mohammadanism' is thus a misnomer because it suggests that Muslims
worship Muhammad (peace be upon him) rather than God. 'Allah' is the
Arabic name for God, which is used by Arab Muslims and Christians
alike.
Islam is not Just for Arabs. The Truth of Islam is meant for all
people regardless of race, nationality or linguistic background.
Taking a look at the Muslim World, from Nigeria to Bosnia and from
Malaysia to Afghanistan is enough to prove that Islam is a Universal
message for all of mankind --- not to mention the fact that
significant numbers of Europeans and Americans of all races and ethnic
backgrounds are coming into Islam
Al Bundy
Islam means violence and hate to me. That's the truth of it.
Rod Speed
Corse there never ever has been any violence or hate with Xtians, eh ?
Neil Hopkins
>
> What does 'Islam' mean? Islam is not a new religion, but the same
> truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people;
> Islam is both a religion and the complete way of life. Muslims follow
> a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness.
You forgot subjugating women, killing gay people and suicide bombing.
--
neil h
google brights
Neil Hopkins
All religions are a cancer on the human psyche. Believing in things that
aren't there is never a good thing.
News reader
To me it means flying planes into buildings and killing 3000 innocent
people.
Rod Speed
Sure, but some are much worse on violence and hate than others.
> Believing in things that aren't there is never a good thing.
Thats arguable. It can be a viable crutch for those with pathetically inadequate 'minds'
Logan Shaw
> What does 'Islam' mean?
If I had no information other than this post to go on, I would say
that Islam is the religion of people who post spam to newsgroups.
Probably Islam is more meaningful than that, but you should take
a look at how your behavior reflects on your religion.
- Logan
Runge11
Take a mirror and look at yourself.
"News reader" <dont-eve...@blank.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:8IKdnVdaMuAo6nDa...@giganews.com...
News reader
> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world.
> Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>
becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated. We
freed the Afgans from the Taliban and Al-Queda. We took out the cruel
dictator from Iraq. But we only get criticized for the 'misery and
death' that we cause. In my opinion the U.S. should remind the world
exactly what good we do, by backing out of world affairs for a bit, and
then watch the world go to hell in a hand basket. And then say "I told
you so." when the world insists that we start helping again.
William Black
"News reader" <dont-eve...@blank.net> wrote in message
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> Runge11 wrote:
>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world.
>> Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>
> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from
> becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated.
Which Hebrews did you save?
The European ones were dead and the ones who made it to the Middle East
managed to save themselves quite effectively with Czech arms.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Harry Katuure
> "News reader" <dont-even-bot...@blank.net> wrote in message
...but they did save the Saudi dictatorship and the Saudi oil
wells....oh, and the Shah of Iran when it suited them....
Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller
"News reader" <dont-eve...@blank.net> wrote in message
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> Runge11 wrote:
>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world.
>> Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>
> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from
> becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated. We freed
> the Afgans from the Taliban and Al-Queda. We took out the cruel dictator
> from Iraq. But we only get criticized for the 'misery and death' that we
> cause. In my opinion the U.S. should remind the world exactly what good we
> do, by backing out of world affairs for a bit, and then watch the world go
> to hell in a hand basket. And then say "I told you so." when the world
> insists that we start helping again.
LOL. Yanks are cowards and laughed at. If it weren't for the Europeans, they
would not even exist. I'm sorry to be so cruel, but, honestly, the rest of
the world just doesn't see things they same way. Most of us feel that a weak
nation got lucky that's all.
Col
>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world.
>> Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>
> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from
> becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated. We freed
> the Afgans from the Taliban and Al-Queda. We took out the cruel dictator
> from Iraq. But we only get criticized for the 'misery and death' that we
> cause. In my opinion the U.S. should remind the world exactly what good we
> do, by backing out of world affairs for a bit, and then watch the world go
> to hell in a hand basket. And then say "I told you so." when the world
> insists that we start helping again.
Why don't you 'take out' Mugabe, then?
--
Col
Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.
Ophelia
Hehe.... don't ya know there is no oil?
Col
"Ophelia" <O...@nix.co.uk> wrote in message
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It was in fact a rhetorical question :)
Rod Speed
> Runge11 wrote:
>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the
>> world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from becoming Germany.
And stopped Japan from fucking over anything they felt like fucking over.
Rod Speed
> News reader <dont-eve...@blank.net> wrote
>> Runge11 wrote
>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from
>> becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated.
> Which Hebrews did you save?
> The European ones were dead and the ones who made it to the Middle
> East managed to save themselves quite effectively with Czech arms.
They did that time, but wouldnt have with the later wars.
Rod Speed
Same reason no one bothered about Rwanda, too insignificant
to matter and african countrys always degenerate into complete
obscenitys in no time flat whatever the west does.
Ophelia
Just as well.
Col
> Col wrote:
>>> Hehe.... don't ya know there is no oil?
>>
>> It was in fact a rhetorical question :)
>
> Just as well.
Makes me wonder though what would happen if Zimbabwe suddenly
found oil reserves as large as that of Iraq....
Rod Speed
> Ophelia <O...@nix.co.uk> wrote
>> Col wrote
>>>> Hehe.... don't ya know there is no oil?
>>> It was in fact a rhetorical question :)
>> Just as well.
> Makes me wonder though what would happen if Zimbabwe suddenly found oil reserves as large as that of Iraq....
Nothing much. Have a look at Nigeria sometime.
And there is no oil in Somalia, Beirut, Afghanistan, France, the Philipines, etc etc etc.
Ophelia
> "Ophelia" <O...@nix.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Col wrote:
>
>>>> Hehe.... don't ya know there is no oil?
>>>
>>> It was in fact a rhetorical question :)
>>
>> Just as well.
>
> Makes me wonder though what would happen if Zimbabwe suddenly
> found oil reserves as large as that of Iraq....
OH! I think you would have no need to wonder!
William Black
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So what you're saying is that after they'd thrashed everyone in sight, and
no-one dared face them, the USA saved them...
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>>> News reader <dont-eve...@blank.net> wrote
>>>> Runge11 wrote
>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from
>>>> becoming eradicated.
>>> Which Hebrews did you save?
>>> The European ones were dead and the ones who made it to the Middle
>>> East managed to save themselves quite effectively with Czech arms.
>> They did that time, but wouldnt have with the later wars.
> So what you're saying is that after they'd thrashed everyone in
> sight, and no-one dared face them, the USA saved them...
Nope, actually saying that they didnt thrash anyone in sight the
first time around, just avoided getting done over completely.
And then later when the surrounding countrys were armed to the teeth with
hardware that a few Czech rifles would be no use whatever against, what the US
supplied them with ensured that they werent driven into the sea more than once.
On one particular occassion it required very extensive supplys
at the last minute that saved their bacon and damned near didnt.
Even someone as pig ignorant as you should have noticed
that they didnt use Czech arms in any but the first shitfight.
William Black
True.
They used mainly British and French stuff until about 1969/70...
Serious use of US military supplies started after 1967 when both France and
the UK refused to supply either side.
The Arabs went to the USSR, the Jews went to the USA.
Ophelia
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>>> News reader <dont-eve...@blank.net> wrote
>>>> Runge11 wrote
>>
>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the
>>>>> world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>
>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France
>>>> from becoming Germany. We saved the Hebrews from becoming
>>>> eradicated.
>>
>>> Which Hebrews did you save?
>>
>>> The European ones were dead and the ones who made it to the Middle
>>> East managed to save themselves quite effectively with Czech arms.
>>
>> They did that time, but wouldnt have with the later wars.
>
> So what you're saying is that after they'd thrashed everyone in
> sight, and no-one dared face them, the USA saved them...
Oh we have had all this before. Let us just say that the US saved us from
*everything* then we can get back to talking about the tv
Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller
Yeah I love the way yanks always dismiss other countries and all the things
they did since the dawn of time. Must be one of the main reasons most people
hate them?
Rod Speed
> True.
And that is what saved their bacon, more than once.
> when both France and the UK refused to supply either side.
Pig ignorant lie.
> The Arabs went to the USSR, the Jews went to the USA.
So your original was just plain wrong.
Ophelia
Hate is a strong word. I will say though I find some of them very silly.
Rod Speed
Another pig ignorant lie. They did nothing of the sort in WW2 prior to Pearl Harbour.
> Must be one of the main reasons most people hate them?
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys. That didnt
happen in WW2, or WW1 or Korea or the first Gulf War either.
Or with the Marshall Plan either.
The Natural Philosopher
> Runge11 wrote:
>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world.
>> Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>
> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from
> becoming Germany.
Russia actually.
>We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated.
Huh?
>We
> freed the Afgans from the Taliban and Al-Queda.
Huh?
We took out the cruel
> dictator from Iraq. But we only get criticized for the 'misery and
> death' that we cause. In my opinion the U.S. should remind the world
> exactly what good we do, by backing out of world affairs for a bit, and
> then watch the world go to hell in a hand basket. And then say "I told
> you so." when the world insists that we start helping again.
>
Golly. You really believe all that BS?
Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller
"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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> News reader wrote:
>> Runge11 wrote:
>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world.
>>> Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>
>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from
>> becoming Germany.
>
> Russia actually.
I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a bit here and
there (together with other armies of course).
Funking yanks, eh lads?
Peter Bruells
The Canadians also get forgotten.
Rod Speed
>> Runge11 wrote
>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from becoming Germany.
> Russia actually.
Both, actually. And a lot more too.
>> We saved the Hebrews from becoming eradicated.
> Huh?
>> We freed the Afgans from the Taliban and Al-Queda.
> Huh?
> We took out the cruel
>> dictator from Iraq. But we only get criticized for the 'misery and
>> death' that we cause. In my opinion the U.S. should remind the world
>> exactly what good we do, by backing out of world affairs for a bit,
>> and then watch the world go to hell in a hand basket. And then say
>> "I told you so." when the world insists that we start helping again.
> Golly. You really believe all that BS?
You clearly believe yours.
Rod Speed
> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>> Runge11 wrote
>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from becoming Germany.
>> Russia actually.
> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a bit here and there
Nope, without the yanks they wouldnt have lasted long.
They'd have put their hands up just like the frogs did.
> (together with other armies of course).
Without the yanks they wouldnt have been able to do anything useful.
> Funking yanks, eh lads?
Truth hurts, eh child ?
Rod Speed
>>>> Runge11 wrote
>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the
>>>>> rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all.
>>>> We saved France from becoming Germany.
>>> Russia actually.
>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a
>> bit here and there (together with other armies of course).
> The Canadians also get forgotten.
Without the yanks, they wouldnt have been able to do anything much.
James Farrar
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a bit here and there
>
>Nope, without the yanks they wouldnt have lasted long.
Sorry, I lost track. Were we talking about World War I (UK declared
war on Germany 4th August 1914, US declared war on Germany 6th April
1917) or World War II (UK declared war on Germany 3rd September 1939,
US declared war on Germany 11th December 1941)?
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller <thi...@lse.co.ck> wrote
>>> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>>> News reader wrote
>>>>> Runge11 wrote
>>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from becoming Germany.
>>>> Russia actually.
>>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a bit here and there
>> Nope, without the yanks they wouldnt have lasted long.
> Sorry, I lost track. Were we talking about World War I (UK declared
> war on Germany 4th August 1914, US declared war on Germany
> 6th April 1917) or World War II (UK declared war on Germany 3rd
> September 1939, US declared war on Germany 11th December 1941)?
That particular bit was about WW2. The dead giveaway is the reference
to Russia which was never at any risk of becoming Germany in WW1.
Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
The Natural Philosopher
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Peter Bruells <use...@rogue.de> wrote
>>> Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller <thi...@lse.co.ck> writes
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>>>> News reader wrote
>>>>>> Runge11 wrote
>>>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the
>>>>>>> rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all.
>>>>>> We saved France from becoming Germany.
>>>>> Russia actually.
>>>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a
>>>> bit here and there (together with other armies of course).
>>> The Canadians also get forgotten.
>> Without the yanks, they wouldnt have been able to do anything much.
> Without the Yanks, they wouldn't have NEEDED to do anything much ;-)
Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasyland.
Until Pearl Harbor, the yanks basically hoped that the stupid
europeans would just rip each others throats out, yet again.
James Farrar
Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to Lend-Lease,
that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
Ophelia
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:25:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> for very long.
>
> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to Lend-Lease,
> that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
The Natural Philosopher
out of.
The Natural Philosopher
teh US economy moves into deep recession?
JohnT
Lend Lease came into effect on 11th March 1941.
--
JohnT
Rod Speed
>>>>>>> Russia actually.
Another pig ignorant lie. If that had been what it was about, they would have demanded cash
up front and not had lend lease where the loser could avoid paying for what they had got.
And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we wouldnt
see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as well.
James Farrar
Whoops, typo. I meant "after the start of the War".
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> James Farrar <james.s...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller <thi...@lse.co.ck> wrote
>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>>>>> News reader wrote
>>>>>>> Runge11 wrote
>>>>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the
>>>>>>>> rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.
>>>>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all.
>>>>>>> We saved France from becoming Germany.
>>>>>> Russia actually.
>>>>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a bit here and there
>>>> Nope, without the yanks they wouldnt have lasted long.
>>> Sorry, I lost track. Were we talking about World War I (UK declared
>>> war on Germany 4th August 1914, US declared war on Germany
>>> 6th April 1917) or World War II (UK declared war on Germany 3rd
>>> September 1939, US declared war on Germany 11th December 1941)?
>> That particular bit was about WW2. The dead giveaway is the reference
>> to Russia which was never at any risk of becoming Germany in WW1.
>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
> Two years, three months, then.
Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
> (And if you're referring to Lend-Lease,
Nope, there was plenty of assistence before that that saved the english bacon.
> that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
Pity about what preceeded it.
Rod Speed
> James Farrar wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to
>> Lend-Lease, that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
Another pig ignorant lie.
You never did get the bill for what the european war cost the yanks.
They could have chose to tell you stupid europeans that if you wanted to rip
each others throats out, you were welcome to do that for as long as you liked.
Rod Speed
>> James Farrar wrote
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
>>> Two years, three months, then. (And if you're referring to
>>> Lend-Lease, that didn't start until 18 months after the War).
>> Aye and they made sure they got their pound of flesh!
> Is it coincidence that just after we finished paying off the war debt, teh US economy moves into deep recession?
Thats a lie, nothing like that happened.
And no one got to repay the Marshall Plan either.
And no europeans paid the yanks for what the war in europe cost them either.
Unlike what the stupid europeans attempted after WW1 which produced WW2.
Markku Grönroos
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Ophelia
Well it's a thought!!
Markku Grönroos
William Black
"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we
> wouldnt
> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as
> well.
No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Markku Grönroos
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William Black
>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for
>>> very long.
>
>> Two years, three months, then.
>
> Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
So, suggest a credible end to the war.
No invasion is possible.
After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's
nobody prepared to surrender.
Where does the UK go without US support?
Markku Grönroos
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Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we wouldnt
>> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as well.
> No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
Irrelevant to that ensuring that there wouldnt be WW3 a generation later.
> They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
Pity about Lend-Lease which left it for dead.
Pity about the yanks choosing to deal with Europe first, even tho they
had experience much more of a direct problem for themselves with Japan.
> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
Another pig ignorant lie.
> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
Pig ignorant lie. You never got billed for the total cost
of what the yanks spent in europe to save your bacon.
You never got billed in full for what the yanks spend to save your bacon in WW1 either.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> James Farrar <james.s...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
>>> Two years, three months, then.
>> Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
> So, suggest a credible end to the war.
You lot put your hands up when you realise that the yanks arent going to bail you out.
> No invasion is possible.
Pig ignorant lie. In spades if Adolf hadnt been stupid enough to invade russia that early.
> After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's nobody prepared to surrender.
There would have been plenty if the yanks had told you lot that you were
doomed and that they werent prepared to send you a damned thing
without payment in cas up front because your prospects were so pathetic.
> Where does the UK go without US support?
They put their hands up, just like Holland and France etc did.
Adolf would certainly have been prepared to accept an amicable ceasefire, but its likely that
the english would have been too stupid to do that if the yanks had told them to get fucked.
The Natural Philosopher
William Black
> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>> So, suggest a credible end to the war.
>
> You lot put your hands up when you realise that the yanks arent going to
> bail you out.
For various reasons, mainly taht teh people in power knew they'd be shot by
the Nazis, that isn't going to happen.
>
>> No invasion is possible.
>
> Pig ignorant lie. In spades if Adolf hadnt been stupid enough to invade
> russia that early.
How?
Details because some very clever people have gone into this in great depth.
>
>> After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's
>> nobody prepared to surrender.
>
> There would have been plenty if the yanks had told you lot that you were
> doomed and that they werent prepared to send you a damned thing
> without payment in cas up front because your prospects were so pathetic.
Well no.
It was 'cash up front' until 1941 and 'lease lend' came in
>> Where does the UK go without US support?
>
> They put their hands up, just like Holland and France etc did.
>
> Adolf would certainly have been prepared to accept an amicable ceasefire,
> but its likely that
> the english would have been too stupid to do that if the yanks had told
> them to get fucked.
Well, no evidence so far of any of that.
The Natural Philosopher
They coldn't get cash up front. By that time they were already fighting
te Japanese, allied with te Gremans, so it was s good deal to leand
money at a p[unitive rate to someone who was already doing the fighting
n their nehlaf.
\
No war in which the USA has been the major player has actually ever been
won...conclusively.
> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we wouldnt
> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as well.
>
>
One of Churchills best bits of con-artistry. "Pssst. The commies will
take over Europe if you don't give us some money"
Haha.
The Natural Philosopher
Amd europe never got paid or Radar, the rocket engine, the guided
missile, the jet engine, transonic aircraft or the computer.
All of which got handed over on a plate.
>
> You never got billed in full for what the yanks spend to save your bacon in WW1 either.
>
>
You never got billed one half of what you stole.
William Black
> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
>
> Another pig ignorant lie.
Read up on the 'McMahon Act some time.
Start at http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/uk/doctrine/sdr06/FactSheet5.pdf
>
>> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
>
> Pig ignorant lie.
Nope.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/uk/doctrine/sdr06/FactSheet5.pdf
You never got billed for the total cost
> of what the yanks spent in europe to save your bacon.
As has been explained elsewhere, we didn't need our bacon saving.
It would have just taken a bit longer.
But the TUBE ALLOYS project comes on stream in about 1948 and the UK wins...
Besides, turning up late to save the world is nothing to boast about.
Doing it twice seems to show an inability to learn...
The Natural Philosopher
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> James Farrar <james.s...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for
>>>> very long.
>>> Two years, three months, then.
>> Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
>
> So, suggest a credible end to the war.
>
> No invasion is possible.
>
> After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's
> nobody prepared to surrender.
>
> Where does the UK go without US support?
>
Who won the European war really. And nicked half of europe to pay for it.
Rod Speed
>> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that
>>>> we wouldnt see an endless repeat of world war after world war in
>>>> every generation as well.
>>> No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
>> Irrelevant to that ensuring that there wouldnt be WW3 a generation later.
>>> They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
>> Pity about Lend-Lease which left it for dead.
>> Pity about the yanks choosing to deal with Europe first, even tho they had experience much more of a direct problem
>> for themselves with Japan.
>>> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
>> Pig ignorant lie. You never got billed for the total cost
>> of what the yanks spent in europe to save your bacon.
> Amd europe never got paid or Radar, the rocket engine, the guided missile, the jet engine, transonic aircraft or the
> computer.
> All of which got handed over on a plate.
And europe never paid for all the developments like the telephone,
production lines, heavy aircraft developments, the transistor, integrated
circuits, the PC, credit cards, fast food, the internet, TV.
All of which got handed over on a plate.
>> You never got billed in full for what the yanks spend to save your bacon in WW1 either.
> You never got billed one half of what you stole.
You clowns in spades.
Rod Speed
>>> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
> Read up on the 'McMahon Act some time.
Doesnt say anything like your pig ignorant lie.
> Start at
> http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/uk/doctrine/sdr06/FactSheet5.pdf
No thanks, none of that is any news to me or anyone with a clue.
You lied.
>>> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
>> Pig ignorant lie.
> Nope.
Yep.
> http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/uk/doctrine/sdr06/FactSheet5.pdf
Doesnt say anything like your lie.
>> You never got billed for the total cost of what the yanks spent in europe to save your bacon.
> As has been explained elsewhere,
Lied, actually.
> we didn't need our bacon saving.
How odd that Churchill begged for yank assistence.
> It would have just taken a bit longer.
It wouldnt have happened if the yanks had demanded
cash up front because your prospects were so dismal.
> But the TUBE ALLOYS project comes on stream in about 1948 and the UK wins...
Only because the yanks bailed you lot out in WW2.
> Besides, turning up late to save the world is nothing to boast about.
No one is boasting, just rubbing your ungrateful noses in the
FACT that without the bailout, you'd have been fucked, twice.
> Doing it twice seems to show an inability to learn...
Yeah, getting involved in a full world war twice does that in spades with you clowns.
And the Marshall Plan, which you were never billed for, ensured that
even you clowns wouldnt actually be stupid enough to try it again.
Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>> Russia actually.
Yep, so you clowns would have been fucked if they had decided that
your prospects were so dismal it was just cash up front or nothing.
> By that time they were already fighting te Japanese,
Pig ignorant lie. That came much later than the assistence without cash up front.
> allied with te Gremans, so it was s good deal to leand money at a punitive rate
Another pig ignorant lie.
> to someone who was already doing the fighting n their nehlaf.
Another pig ignorant lie.
> No war in which the USA has been the major player has actually ever been won...conclusively.
Another pig ignorant lie. Pity about WW1 and WW2. WW2 in spades.
>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we wouldnt see an endless repeat of world war
>> after world war in every generation as well.
> One of Churchills best bits of con-artistry. "Pssst. The commies will take over Europe if you don't give us some
> money"
You clowns never got a cent from the Marshall Plan.
> Haha.
He wasnt laughing when the entire pom empire decided that you clowns had passed your useby date.
Rod Speed
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
Rod Speed
>>> So, suggest a credible end to the war.
>> You lot put your hands up when you realise that the yanks arent going to bail you out.
> For various reasons, mainly taht teh people in power knew they'd be shot by the Nazis, that isn't going to happen.
Have fun explaining how come it did with Holland, France, etc etc etc.
>>> No invasion is possible.
>> Pig ignorant lie. In spades if Adolf hadnt been stupid enough to invade russia that early.
> How?
> Details because some very clever people have gone into this in great depth.
If the yanks had told you lot that you werent getting a damned thing without
cash up front for it, they'd have starved you out just by waiting long enough.
Particularly if they had had the sense to not turn on Russia until you'd put your hands up.
>>> After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's nobody prepared to surrender.
>> There would have been plenty if the yanks had told you lot that you
>> were doomed and that they werent prepared to send you a damned thing
>> without payment in cas up front because your prospects were so pathetic.
> Well no.
Fraid so.
> It was 'cash up front' until 1941
Bare faced lie.
> and 'lease lend' came in
Bare faced lie.
>>> Where does the UK go without US support?
>> They put their hands up, just like Holland and France etc did.
>> Adolf would certainly have been prepared to accept an amicable ceasefire, but its likely that
>> the english would have been too stupid to do that if the yanks had told them to get fucked.
> Well, no evidence so far of any of that.
Another bare faced lie. Pity about Churchill's mindless ravings.
Ophelia
> "Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we
>> wouldnt
>> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every
>> generation as well.
>
> No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
>
> They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
>
> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
>
> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
Exactly and it wasn't cheap either!
Ophelia
I always get rather concerned about people who shout Lie Lie Lie!!
I understand that it isn't easy to give a reasoned argument, but Lie, Lie,
Lie is NOT the answer
Rod Speed
>>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.
>>>> Two years, three months, then.
>>> Nope, it wouldnt have lasted that long without the yanks.
>> So, suggest a credible end to the war.
>> No invasion is possible.
Bare faced lie.
>> After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's nobody prepared to surrender.
>> Where does the UK go without US support?
> Uncle Joe Stalin.
Who wouldnt have done a damned thing if Adolf hadnt been stupid enough to invade his country.
Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller
afraid to fight.
Wish the Europeans had never created them.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we wouldnt see an endless repeat of world war
>>>> after world war in every generation as well.
>>> No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
>> Irrelevant to that ensuring that there wouldnt be WW3 a generation later.
>>> They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
>> Pity about Lend-Lease which left it for dead.
>> Pity about the yanks choosing to deal with Europe first, even tho they had experience much more of a direct problem
>> for themselves with Japan.
>>> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
>> Pig ignorant lie. You never got billed for the total cost
>> of what the yanks spent in europe to save your bacon.
>> You never got billed in full for what the yanks spent to save your bacon in WW1 either.
> I always get rather concerned about people who shout Lie Lie Lie!!
Your problem.
> I understand that it isn't easy to give a reasoned argument, but Lie, Lie, Lie is NOT the answer
There's plenty of reasoned argument in my posts, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
Rod Speed
>>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that we wouldnt
>>> see an endless repeat of world war after world war in every generation as well.
>> No Marshall Plan money for the UK.
>> They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
>> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
>> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
> Exactly
Nope. You never got JUST a loan. You never got billed
for what the US spent saving your bacon in europe.
> and it wasn't cheap either!
The yanks spent a hell of a lot more than they ever lent you.
Why shouldnt you pay part of what it cost to save your bacon ?
William Black
> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>> Amd europe never got paid or Radar, the rocket engine, the guided
>> missile, the jet engine, transonic aircraft or the computer.
>
>> All of which got handed over on a plate.
>
> And europe never paid for all the developments like the telephone,
> production lines, heavy aircraft developments, the transistor, integrated
> circuits, the PC, credit cards, fast food, the internet, TV.
TV?
William Black
Lack of content, and inability to read references given, noted.
You're a buffoon.
Piss off now, you're dismissed...
Rod Speed
>>> Amd europe never got paid or Radar, the rocket engine, the guided missile, the jet engine, transonic aircraft or the
>>> computer.
>>> All of which got handed over on a plate.
>> And europe never paid for all the developments like the telephone,
>> production lines, heavy aircraft developments, the transistor,
>> integrated circuits, the PC, credit cards, fast food, the internet, TV.
> TV?
Yep, the full commercialisation of it happened there.
Rod Speed
>>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> Start at
>>> http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/uk/doctrine/sdr06/FactSheet5.pdf
>> You lied.
>>>> Pig ignorant lie.
>>> Nope.
>> Yep.
>>> http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/uk/doctrine/sdr06/FactSheet5.pdf
>> Lied, actually.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
> You're a buffoon.
You're a pathological liar.
> Piss off now,
Go and fuck yourself.
> you're dismissed...
You clowns that started TWO world wars and had to get bailed out TWICE, dont
get to dismiss anyone. You get to pay part of the cost of what you produced, TWICE.
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> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> And there's the tiny matter of the Marshall Plan that ensured that
>>>>> we wouldnt see an endless repeat of world war after world war in
>>>>> every generation as well.
>
>
>>> Irrelevant to that ensuring that there wouldnt be WW3 a generation
>>> later.
>
>>>> They wouldn't give us any for political reasons.
>
>>> Pity about Lend-Lease which left it for dead.
>
>>> Pity about the yanks choosing to deal with Europe first, even tho they
>>> had experience much more of a direct problem for themselves with Japan.
>
>
>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>
>
>>> of what the yanks spent in europe to save your bacon.
>
>> missile, the jet engine, transonic aircraft or the computer.
>
>> All of which got handed over on a plate.
>
> And europe never paid for all the developments like the telephone,
> production lines, heavy aircraft developments, the transistor, integrated
> circuits, the PC, credit cards, fast food, the internet, TV.
>
> All of which got handed over on a plate.
>
>>> in WW1 either.
>
>
> You clowns in spades.
>
Markku Grönroos
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>> William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote
>
>>> Same as the stab in the back over nuclear weapons.
>>
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> We got a loan, which has been repaid in full.
>>
>> Pig ignorant lie.
>
>
> http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/uk/doctrine/sdr06/FactSheet5.pdf
>
> You never got billed for the total cost
>> of what the yanks spent in europe to save your bacon.
>
>
> It would have just taken a bit longer.
>
> wins...
>
>
>
>
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"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> kirjoitti
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>>> James Farrar <james.s...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for
>>>>> very long.
>>>> Two years, three months, then.
>>
>>
>>
>> After early in 1940 the appeasers had been separated from power, there's
>> nobody prepared to surrender.
>>
>>