Conclusionist or Anti-Conclusionist: the all- important difference among 9-11 investigators
Mark Graffis
Sault Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:21 PM Subject: Down with
Richard Gage by DIck Eastman -=- Conclusionist or Anti-Conclusionist:
the all- important difference among 9-11 investigators
Conclusionists (two of many):
Christopher Bollyn Dick Eastman
Anti-Conclusionists (two of many):
Richard Gage, Architect Robert Balsamo, Pilot
Dick Eastman and Christopher Bollyn are culprit-seeking Conclusionists.
Jim Fetzer, Richard Gage, Robert Balsamo, Morgan Reynolds, Judy
Wood and, yes, Jesse Ventura are gatekeeping Anti-Conclusionists
who are puffed and showcased by fellow obstructors of justice in
the mainstream media and, like tsatskeh Carol Brouillet of "deception
dollar" fame who with Mike Ruppert and Jared Israel, in the so-called
"Truth Movement" who have done everything in their power to exclude
citizen investigators pointing to the Pentagon evidence, exclude
them from the dozens of "9-11 gatekeeping "Truth Conferences" --
all sabotaged and set up for failure from the state -- that she
and others like her have organized in the first two years following
9-11. At least that is my conclusion as one who has tried to crash
the gate with the forbidden Pentagon evidence (which thanks to Jeff
Rense is out there anyway, thank you. * )
The time has come to begin making the critical discrimination between
Conclusionists and gatekeeping show-stealing pied-piper-leading-you-nowhere
Anti-Conclusionists. (The "conclusion" being of course that Israel
and American and British Ruling elite -- mostly Jews and the usual
soul-selling high-position shabez goi (gentiles who do unclean jobs
-- like Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc.) -- planned and executed
the "box-cutter" frame-up, the 9-11 false-flag provocateur mass-murder.
A conclusion that follows inescapable from the existing 9-11 evidence
in the public sphere. (Anyone who tells you that there is no proof
of anything but only questions that need to be asked by a new 9-11
Commission can only be incredibly dense, totally uninformed or else
an operative seeking to prevent the public from receiving the
stimulus that would elicit the appropriate public reaction for
justice.
More Anti-Conclusionists:
James Fetzer Ph.D.
Judy Wood Ph.D. Morgan Reynolds Ph.D.
Here are two letters that have been in my drafts box as I have been
thinking how to launch this important distinction between Conclusionists
and Anti-Conclusionists. May you read them and find come to a sound
conclusion.
Conclusionist versus Anti-Conclusionist is the most important
distinction to be made among persons discussing the 9-11 event. It
is much more useful than the MIHOP versus LIHOP timewasting distinction
that Nico Haupt foisted on people. (Of course if the government
"let" the planes get through, then they made it happen -- as any
thinking person should at one have realized.
I hope intelligent and well-informed investigators who are after
both the truth and justice and the protection of millions of people
-- men like Dr.
Jones and Dr. Griffin -- will take this new term and use it as a
test for detecting friend and foe. I believe they need guidance
in this area very badly.
We all need to escape the false-ethic promulgated by the
Anti-Conclusionists that our safety from the true 9-11 criminals
is best served by studiously avoiding reaching any conclusions about
who they actually are.
Dick Eastman -- whose 9-11 Pentagon research is summarized here:
http://www.rense.com/general86/hight1.htm Yakima, Washington Every
man is responsible to every other man
Karl Rove -- the mastermind behind the tactic
Karl Rove was at the White House with Morgan Reynolds who knew me
when I was in the octoral program in Economics at Texas A & M --
what a coincidence that Morgan Reynolds is the only economist in
the US to become a "9-11 Truther" and that he immediately found the
no-planers (Webfairy, Holmgren) and Fetzer but never once contacted
me and became immediatley hostile when I tried to share what I knew
about my old opponents the no-planers (who claim that no planes hit
the WTC on Sept 11 01.) But he is a Scholar for 9-11 truth and --
how bizzare again! -- a connsumate Anti-Conclusionist.
Has Jesse ever pointed a finger at Dov Zakheim, Paul Wolfowitz, the
Israelis Mossad with the illegal top secret security clearance at
Reagan and Dulles -- who were arrested after 9-11 and quitely sent
back to Israel by Ashcroft a few months later? Of course Ventura,
like Richard Gage, will "give away information that everyone already
knows -- he is saying NOTHING NEW -- and neither is Gage. Both
are capturing everyones attention and then locking it in a cage
where the steps leading to conclusions are never to be found. If
the conclusion isn't reached in the face of multiple lines of
evidence each leaving no-other conclusion possible, then there is
something wrong with the investigator that needs to be investigated.
I'm afraid Dr. Jones has been tricked again; the first time by Jim
Fetzer and Scholars for 9-11 Truth and this time by Richard Gage
with Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth. It is the same
Rove-worthy subterfuge that Pilots for 9-11 truth attempted to use
against citizen crime detection in the case of the 9-11 deaths at
the Pentagon.
Richard Gage is an agent of the cover-up. Steven Jones and other
true culprit-seeking investigators had already well-established
that the WTC towers were brought down with thermite that was laced
thoughtout the towers at all demolition-critical points. When
Richard Gage entered the scene and created his organization of
"architects and engineers" which he now tightly oversees -- as
Fetzer does Scholars for 9-11 Truth -- so that his organization,
reaching, redundantly, the same conclusion that physicst Jones and
other laboratory investigators had already established, suddenly
took over the "thermite demolition" issue and crowded Jones out.
Jones was locked out because he was a physicst and not one of the
group "architects and engineers."
And what has Richard Gage done since then? Exactly nothing. Like
Scholars for 9-11 Truth and Pilots for 9-11 Truth Gage simply keeps
re-releasing the findings that were already well-established by
Jones before Gage and his group entered the picture. But now Gage
is controlling the output of all of these architects and engineers
who are sending him their papers and he is sitting on them. Yet,
dear Dr. Steven Jones, does not see what is happing. He still
praises Gage and recommends his research and sites. I can understand
that in Jones, because I know very well how it feels to hold forth
a position against total silence from everyone with public standing
as a "finding validator."
But the fact is that Gage is what I call an "Anti-Conclusionist"
(and yes, men like Christopher Bollyn, Peter Wakefield Sault, and
myself are "Conclusionists" -- we do not avoid the conclusions
that are generated by independent lines of data and that that
withstand all efforts to refute.
Pilots for 9-11 Truth showed up long after Barbara Honegger,
Christopher Bollyn, and dozens of other good people had already
established that bombs killed people in the Pentagon before an
object not more than half as long as a Boeing 757 hit the building.
Yet when they arrived the immediatly began presenting the same
information as if they originated it. And they took over the issue.
They succeeded, just as Richard Gage is succeeding, because they
had two things that the Conclusionists did not have, viz., an
organization and some added evidence provided to them which enabled
them to steal the show, that evidence being the alleged black box
data of Flight 77. And just as Dr.
Steven Jones can't belong to Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth
so Conclusionists Christopher Bollyn and Dick Eastman cannot belong
to Pilots for 9-11 truth, a groups which gates contributors who
don't qualify for membership. "We welcome all aviation professionals.
Pilots, Mechanics, ATC, FA's, Rampers, Gate Agents, Customer Service,
etc."
So Pilots for 9-11 Truth has the assembled authority of president
Robert Balsamo and members like Ralph Kolstad , John Lear (blacksheep
son of the late Lear Jet industrialist who has flown lots of planes
because his dad owned a plane company), Erin Myers, Mathias Frey,
Jeff Latas, Richard Kleiner, Steve Nieman, Guy S. Razer, Slawomir
M. Kozak , Jim Mustanich, Jeff Dahlstrom, Dave Kisor, Hammish
Brannan, and Alfons Olszewski -- none of which have, to my knowledge
contributed anything significant to the question, but all of whom
are satisfied with an organization that is Non-Conclusionist, that
doesn't attempt to identify culprits.
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Down With Richard Gage!
letter to Peter Wakefield Sault (written last week)
Peter.
I just opened up for the first time the correspondence between you
and Richard Gage.
Gage is throwing out motive, necessary networks, the ethics and
norms of perpetrators and other important sociology of the crime,
previous "criminal record" de facto legal "black-ops" associated
with prime suspect groups. Why would a criminal investigators
want to omit consideration of "gangs" as entities, and especailly
of the one gang to which all evidence points simply because that
primes suspect gang may give you trouble if you discuss how multiple
lines of evidence point to this group.
Gage has become the primary leader of the movement -- even though
Jones and Griffin were there first and Gage has made his biggest
contribution as a corroborator of the major findings of Jones.
What I have done is implicate a gang in a crime. This gang doesn't
just happen to include Jews, but Zionism is the raison d'etre for
this gang, it was a motive of the crime, the top suspects are
families that created Zionism and Israel, Jewishness was in fact
the criteria for 9-11 conspiracy players trusting each other. Israel
is implicated -- dual citizenship players were infiltrated into
strategic positions that had to be held in order to execut the 9-11
frame-up.
These aspects of the crime are every bit objective data-based as
the super-thermite demolition thesis. The lines of evidence are
multiple and independent and objective and well established. It
is as valid as the physics forensics.
Gage clearly indicates that he is being dominated by fear of
opposition that would appear if he were to allow himself to follow
his own evidence to where it leads regarding Mr. Silverstein etc.
The boundaries he has set for the kinds of evidence he will examin
establish him as a narrow specialist -- by his own choice -- in the
investigation of this crime. He chooses to narrow his focus to his
field of specialty -- and drop his obligations as a citizen as a
defender of his country -- because he is afraid of criticism and
opposition he would receive were he to honestly interpret his
findings and present their implications about who, how, why?
Not only has Gage adopted Slesinger's smear of Peter as blaming all
Jews, without an attempt at verification -- making Gage what in
terms of objectivity and fair mindedes and one dealing with the
credentials and qualifications of 9-11 researchers ? -- Peter and
all who have investigated the sociological, behavioral evidence and
drawn the valid inferences -- by his action he is giving the tacit
message that only those who impose constraints on looking for
groups,conspiracies, agencies, goverments, cults, and institutions
and even upon individuals if their Jewishness is too obvious --
that only such investigators that ignore all that are really objective
and contributing to solving the case. Clearly this works to the
advantage of the perpetrators -- perpetrators who in crime after
crime in the past have as their modus operendi used the threat of
imposing the label of "anti-Semite" on someone and the powerful
sanctions that are imposed on people who carry that label -- so
that Gage, in consultation with Dave Slesinger, is assisting the
cover-up by his assertion that all links to Mossad, Israelis,
dual-citizenship Americans and their methods, criminal history,
culture of black-op opperations to further ends exactly of the sort
that 9-11 has furthered for them -- in short all of our evidence
of dancing Israelis etc. that are brushed aside when only thermite
and a buildings tolerances are considered as the full universe of
investigation.
Richard Gage has never contacted me or responded to anything I have
written.
Finally I know why. His function for the cover-up is to give the
best information on a very narrow line of evidence with constraints
disallowing the pointing of fingers. On the basis of this contribution
-- very competent in its narrow domain but valuless unless combined
with a real search for the guilty -- for the gang, the associations,
the conspiracy behind the crime.
Gage is merely a gatekeeper. His function is to crowd out Dr. Jones
-- and disallow Jones because Jones is neither an architect nor an
engineer. I have not seen him support Jones in any way -- his
predecessor. The same is being done to Jones by Gage as was done
to me by Pilots for 9-11 Truth. What are these but more NGO's
capturing a following -- stealing a following from the real
investigators who are really after nailing the perpetrators and the
perpetrator's organizations and networks and coordinated conspiratorial
operations -- known by real investigators not wearing the blinders
with which Slesinger has fitted on Gage.
I mention this in case you are wondering why nothing has happened
since Gage took over as leader of the movement.
Griffin is the balanced leader of the movement -- he is the true
spokesman with an overview that takes the best evidence of every
kind into account.
Always beware when all of a sudden a big well-finance organization
suddenly appears with a man who is giving only a narrow section of
the evidence and limits the inferences drawn from data to only those
that don't implicate Israel or Zionist networks linked to Mossad.
I view Gage as no better than Fetzer -- that other "qualified
professional"
who has sought to undermine and crowd out Griffin K. Griffin and
Dr. Steven Jones and, yes, yours truely.
Bi-peds did 9-11, but not for any reasons having to do with feet.
Jews did 9-11, for reasons that have everything to to with Zionism,
Israel, the enemies of Israel -- and the Rothschild interests which
profited and which are the power and leadership behind Zionism.
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Rice, Gingrich and other gentiles involved
are known servants of those interests -- consider for example that
the Council on Foreign Relations has many gentile members even
though it is an organ of the Rothschild interests in the US.
Gage is not at all competent in this area.
The best thing to do with Gage is take the good bait he and his
organization have used to win our support and leave the hook. He
isn't our spokesman any more.
Besides -- everything he has contributed is redundant -- the
intelligent man presented with the facts that had been made known
by Steven Jones and those who validated his results in their own
laboratories had already made the point that Gage began making when
he entered the scene. Gage merely gave us more of what we already
had ample of, in order to take over the movement and lead it away
from identification of the guilty. We didn't need his contribution
and we are hurt by his gatekeeping and blindsiding.
Gage is a gatekeeper and a pied piper leading you away from your
goal. He is not only not in our league as people out to identify
the guilty from all of the valid evidence, he is not really on our
side.
I notice Leslie Schwartz and Sean McBride have been Cc'd Both
these people warp the truth to fit Jewish sensibilities. Schwartz's
representation of her correspondence with me does not at all fit
what I recollect. I have never said "the Jews did it" only "Jews
did it" and that Zionism and Israel and Jewish power (Rothschild
power) were the reasons Jews did it. I also have pointed out that
many more Jews than were involved actually know that Jews were
involved and have remained silent -- making them accomplises in the
cover-up. (Remember how Jews blame the "Good Germans" who allegedly
said nothing while the alleged Holocaust was going on? At this
point most American Jews are probably "Good Jews" in this sense
regarding 9-11.)
I notice too that Mark Bilk is he person everyone goes to learn
what I really think about Jews - and I must admit that where we
disagree on the subject of me it is just his opinion against my
opinion -- however Mark and I agree about Zionism and Israeli
agencies and their role in 9-11 being a fact that is firmly established
a mountain of evidence, much of it available on Mark's own excellent
website "Cosmic Penguin" Mark is my friend not because we agree
on everything -- and our best times together over the phone have
been in discussing areas where we disagree and areas where I don't
know know the subject -- discussion of the book The Chalis and the
Blade" for example -- an I just play the curious inquirer and
occasional sceptic.
Galen of course is a trusted kindred spirit, a fellow investigator
well proven, to my mind, over the years. I know nothing about
disagreements he has had with Mark Bilk. This is the first I have
heard of them communicating. (I haven't spoken to Mark Bilk in a
few months. I always mean to phone him, but never seem to get
around to it. We have been disagreeing on whether I use too broad
a brush when saying Jews did 9-11. (Like "apples are in apple pie"
which does not deny that some apples are in tarts or are eaten
uncook right off the tree and that some rot and are thrown away
before they can be used for anything.) (Need I say that I have
never told Mark that I "hate Jews" or that "all Jews are guilty"
or that there are not Jews who are willing to conclude the guilt
of fellow Jews for their part in 9-11. Although I do have a lot
of blame for those who know more than they are saying -- I have
expressed sympathy with valid reasons for not wanting to bring
condemnation down upon the heads of their people. I have often
said I do not believe in collective guilt -- but I do believe that
the teachings and practices of group -- sociological phenomena --
can be found responsible -- the fact that Jews are taught Zionism
and racial supremacy and Talumudian double-standards for Jews among
Jews and Jews among gentile -- that made the "Jewish" 9-11 conspiracy
possible, that enable Jews to trust that other Jews would by
sympathetic and would not blow the whistle. etc.
One more comment: Leslie Schwartz sure can stuff hay into those
staw men.
Also, the correspondence she claims to have had with me in her
letter to this group of people that includes neither me nor people
who regularly read my posts is fiction. I have not had the many
conversations with her in which I insist "the Jews" did it.
The following is simply disinformation on Schwartz's part. My sent
items file contains no letters to Leslie Schwartz and I have no
recollection of this correspondence and especially no recollection
of being an irrational hater who resisted anyone sweet reasoning
for objectivity as represented here:
I have not had an communication with Peter directly but I have
communicated this message to Dick Eastman on many occasions, and
they continue to put forward this transparently false perspective.
I have a great deal of respect for Dick's work on the Pentagon
EVIDENCE, but when we get to discussion this "Jews did it" theory
the conversation gets into the irrational, which I believe is the
heart of racism, and I have no intention of discussing this contention
with them because they get emotional, irrational and the discussion
never moves on from that rut.
Leslie Schwarts, Richard Gage and Dave Slesinger are gatekeepers
pure and simple. Obstruction of Justice and Misprison of Treason
are shoes that look like they would fit them pretty well. (Although
I know very well they have about a 98% chance of getting away with
it.)
Dick Eastman
From: "Richard Gage" <rg...@ae911truth.org> To: <peter...@odeion.org>
Cc: <dde...@ae911truth.org>; <tto...@ae911truth.org> Sent: Thursday,
March 11, 2010 6:43 AM Subject: problems with Book help
Hi Peter - I have just been provided with the following discussion
and others from my friend and associate Dave Slesinger. It gives
me insight into some of your prevous writings and thinking that
cause me to need to distance myself and the work of AE911Truth from
you. Sorry - but this is the kind of baggage ("the Jews did it" -
rightly or wrongly) that has been and will be dug up and used against
us.
I very much appreciate your well intended efforts to help is get
started with the book but we will have to sever our relationship
at this time.
Thank you again,
Richard
Background, from Peter:
P.S. In case anyone is wondering what this is all about, after
suggesting to Richard that he should write a book he invited me to
ghostwrite it, a book for which I specifically stated I wished
neither mention nor credit nor financial reward and which, like
ae911truth, would focus solely on demonstrating that the collapse
of WTC7 was a controlled demolition and that so far over 1,000
architects and engineers have committed their good names to this
demonstration. It was to be ae911.org in book form with no trace
of PWS or his opinions. Apparently Richard's handlers couldn't
stomach the idea of someone who knows the truth about them getting
so close to their boy, so have FABRICATED an email (see below
Richard's) in which it appears that Mark Bilk, coincidentally another
Jew, accuses me of having said something that has upset Richard
enough for him to throw me overboard. You will note that Richard
did not have the decency to ask me if there was any truth in it
before carrying out the orders of his handlers. I won't comment on
what this says about Richard's intelligence. Of course, intelligence
is not what was ever needed for anyone to see that WTC7's collapse
was a controlled demolition. One has only to watch the clips. Not
even Dan Rather could avoid seeing it on the day itself.
From: "Peter Wakefield Sault" <peter...@odeion.org> To: "Richard
Gage" <rg...@ae911truth.org> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:02
AM Subject: Re: problems with Book help
Actually, Richard, had you read what your "friend" Slesinger is
quoting below, you will find another 9/11 gatekeeper by the name
of Mark Bilk putting words into my mouth.
I have never written anywhere that "Jews did 9/11". However, Larry
Silverstein is a close personal friend of Benjamin Netanyahu and
Ariel Sharon. Given that the latter two are known psychopaths it
is highly likely that Larry Silverstein is also a psychopath on the
principle of birds of a feather flocking together. So let me make
clear my position on who did 9/11.
It was psychopaths. Psychopaths did 9/11.
In the final analysis you are simply not sophisticated enough to
realize how you have been manipulated. That's a great shame because
it means there is a distinct possibility that all your good work
will come to nothing. You have revealed a weakness to the mind
control programmers who pretend to be your "friend[s]" but who have
a hidden agenda which does not involve the 9/11 psychopaths getting
any kind of just desserts. To put not too fine a point upon it you
are afraid of being accused of "antisemitism". As long as people
are afraid of voodoo curses then voodoo curses will work and
witchdoctors will be in charge of what people are allowed to think.
Nonetheless, good luck with the book. You have to publish it *before*
WW3 starts if you wish to have any hope of influencing whether or
not it happens. You don't have to mention that WTC7 was built, owned
and occupied (penthouse suite) by a psychopath - and I never suggested
that you should.
What I *do* suggest is that you take the title, cover and schema
which I sent you as a starting point and get your writing team busy
ghosting it. The book *has * to be "by Richard Gage". That is what
the book-reading, uninternetted, computer-shy old guard will be
looking for. "Who's this Richard Gage chappy our children are talking
about?" and "Has he written a book?". You also need to get it
translated into as many languages as possible.
And, as ever, watch your back.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Wakefield Sault" <peter...@odeion.org> To: "Richard
Gage" <rg...@ae911truth.org> Cc: ...
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:21 PM Subject: Re: problems with
Book help
Ok, this is the last you'll hear from me, Richard. However, before
closing I must make a couple of points for the benefit of the others
to whom I am addressing this email.
Clearly you have HANDLERS, or 'information gatekeepers', such as
your "friend" Dave Slesinger, and equally clearly these handlers
are ZIONIST GANGSTERS in disguise, moles whose real agenda is
ensuring the suppression of any mention of an Israeli connection
to 9/11. The fact that Dave Slesinger is a Jew is, of course, purely
coincidental.
In the light of this it now becomes clear why you were "too busy"
to write a forward to David Ray Griffin's latest book 'The Mysterious
Collapse of World Trade Center 7'. How could ANYONE, but most
especially you, Richard Gage, possibly be "too busy" to write a
forward for DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, to a book whose subject your entire
website rotates around? It defies belief. I can only await your now
inevitable final betrayal of everyone else who has mistakenly given
you their love, trust and respect.
Peter
P.S. In case anyone is wondering what this is all about, after
suggesting to Richard that he should write a book he invited me to
ghostwrite it, a book for which I specifically stated I wished
neither mention nor credit nor financial reward and which, like
ae911truth, would focus solely on demonstrating that the collapse
of WTC7 was a controlled demolition and that so far over 1,000
architects and engineers have committed their good names to this
demonstration. It was to be ae911.org in book form with no trace
of PWS or his opinions. Apparently Richard's handlers couldn't
stomach the idea of someone who knows the truth about them getting
so close to their boy, so have FABRICATED an email (see below
Richard's) in which it appears that Mark Bilk, coincidentally another
Jew, accuses me of having said something that has upset Richard
enough for him to throw me overboard. You will note that Richard
did not have the decency to ask me if there was any truth in it
before carrying out the orders of his handlers. I won't comment on
what this says about Richard's intelligence. Of course, intelligence
is not what was ever needed for anyone to see that WTC7's collapse
was a controlled demolition. One has only to watch the clips. Not
even Dan Rather could avoid seeing it on the day itself.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Slesinger
<davidsl...@yahoo.com> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 Subject:
Fw: Galen to Sue Bilk for Slander To: Richard Gage <rg...@ae911truth.org>
----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Peter Wakefield Sault <he...@odeion.org>
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Subject: Re: [9-11-NeXuS] Galen to Sue Bilk for Slander
----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs...@pacbell.net>
To:
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: RE: [9-11-NeXuS]
Galen to Sue Bilk for Slander
I agree with you about this Galen.
There are several related points, 1) even if you say neo - cons did
it, the majority of neo - cons are not Jewish
[P] That depends whose list you are looking at.
2) the average Jewish or Israeli person if they knew anything about
these mechanizations would not support them
[P] I'll believe that when each and every "average Jewish or Israeli
person" tells me it is so.
3) putting a racial or religious cast on the events detracts from
the sort of atmosphere which helps us to look at the evidence and
events, and moves the whole discussion into a divisive argument
that plays into the hands of people who use claims of anti-Semitism
[P] False association - a fallacious argument.
4) These mechanizations (casus for 9/11 and similar events) are
deeper in fact than Israeli or Jewish national ambitions unless you
adopt the most ridiculous and discredited zeitgeist that Jews are
the root of all evil perspective
[P] More false association.
5) this argument, Jews did it, ignores the plans and schemes of
globalists, illumanti, criminal elites etc. who hate Jews as much
if not more than the people who say Jews did 9/11
[P] Jews may not be the only source of evil in the world but they
are the primary source of 9/11 and this discussion is about 9/11.
Bonesmen are second tier gangsters - mere hangers on.
Further, the method of propaganda Peter uses below is called "stacking
the deck" or a selective presentation of the evidence. There are
other people of prominence, and people who acted behind the scenes
to make 9/11/01 happen who are not Jewish but Peter does not mention
them. And when this is pointed out, the counter claim is that these
people are "cryptojews". Clearly the anti-jewish element in this
perspective is more important to some people who put these arguments
forward than the truth is to them, because they just can not move
on from the accusation, and from their perspective that Jews are
the root of all evil that has ever happened in the universe.
I have not had an communication with Peter directly but I have
communicated this message to Dick Eastman on many occasions, and
they continue to put forward this transparently false perspective.
I have a great deal of respect for Dick's work on the Pentagon
EVIDENCE, but when we get to discussion this "Jews did it" theory
the conversation gets into the irrational, which I believe is the
heart of racism, and I have no intention of discussing this contention
with them because they get emotional, irrational and the discussion
never moves on from that rut.
Time to move on from this altogether.
I have no problem with anyone presenting EVIDENCE about any action
or event involving 9/11/01, and if some individual perpetrator is
Jewish I believe there is no reason not to mention or discuss that
if it is relevant, but lets get to discussing the evidence and lets
refrain from the elementary propaganda techniques that are easily
seen for what they are.
-----Original Message----- From: 9-11-...@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:9-11-...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of galen Sent: Thursday,
December 20, 2007 3:02 AM To: Peter Wakefield Sault Cc: Mark S Bilk;
Total911...@yahoogroups.com; Ardeshir Mehta;
politi...@hotmail.com; sevenea...@yahoo.com;
nodm...@yahoo.com; acebak...@yahoo.com; Peter Hollings; John
Austin;
maxn...@optonline.net; nail...@verizon.net; Andy McCracken;
davidsl...@yahoo.com; Sean McBride; 9-11 NeXuS; galen Subject:
[9-11-NeXuS] Galen to Sue Bilk for Slander
Peter, i do not think it's accurate to say "Jews did 9-11". There
were plenty of people who are not Jews involved and there are plenty
of people who are Jews that were not involved. This kind of rhetoric
is not productive as it is obviously not true and seems to be
motivated by anti-Jew sentiment -- galen
Peter Wakefield Sault wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark S Bilk"
<ma...@cosmicpenguin.com> To: <Total911...@yahoogroups.com> Cc:
"Peter Wakefield Sault" <he...@odeion.org>; "Ardeshir Mehta"
<arde...@mac.com>; <politi...@hotmail.com>;
<sevenea...@yahoo.com>; <nodm...@yahoo.com>;
<acebak...@yahoo.com>; "Peter Hollings" <phol...@ipt.org>;
"John Austin" <dog...@digitron.net>; <maxn...@optonline.net>;
<nail...@verizon.net>; "Andy McCracken" <ras...@gmx.co.uk>;
<davidsl...@yahoo.com>; <ma...@cosmicpenguin.com>; "Sean McBride"
<smcb...@yahoo.com>; "galen" <den...@umich.edu>; "9-11 NeXuS"
<9-11-...@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007
9:48 PM Subject: Galen's Irrational Behavior
I have no interest in any of the aforementioned political ideologies.What
I am stating, and I thought I had already made it Yahoo! Groups
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