Afghanis & mountian people in general
Pyotr Filipivich
oct...@netcom.com (Kaa Byington) writes:
|John W. Engel (wh...@cs.utexas.edu) wrote a commentary about the
mujihadins tactical use of Stingers (someone figured out 'heat seeking'
meant 'heat seeking' and you could shot at 'ground targets', Like Hinds
warming up for take off. 'Get tone, get gone'): [Which I snipped for
the bandwidth]
|Afghanistan is a rather unfortunate example. Indeed, the Russians pulled
|out, in 1988, but the fighting continued and worsened. During the time
|the Russians were there, Kabul, the capital, was relatively safe. As of
|this year Kabul has been reduced to rubble. The situation in Afghanistan
|is utterly dismal. One third of the population is dead, another third is
|living in refugee camps in Pakistan, and the rest are still fighting each
|other in the ruins of the country. God (or Allah) only knows what they
|are fighting about, but the peoples who live in mountain country are
|traditionally war-lovers. The roots go back to ancient tribal enmities,
|and to equate Afghanis with "freedom fighters" is absurd.
|--
Oh I dunno about that. Mountian people tend to be a little prickly
about 'outsiders', regardless of where the mountians are and how close
(or far) you are from.
Contemporary Afghanistan, like post RNV(Saigon) Southeast Asia (what
used to be called 'indochina', and Yuogoslavia - suffer from acute
tribalism. "Now that we've gotten rid of the foreigners - it's time to
bring civilization to 'those people' over the mountian.
The 'muj' have three things they know
and there are four things that seperate them from the heathen:
1) they are Agfhani
2) they are Muslims
3) they are from here,
4) the Russians (Or Brits, or whomever) are none of the above.
As for how this would apply to the Milita movement - some folks are
real cussed about accepting the 'blessings of progress'. And if push
comes to shove, they are not of a mind to be concilatory with what they
consider Evil.
And some folks of this mind grew up in this country, and have
some firm opinions about nonsense from the central government.
Be that the county, the state or those fools back in Washington.
chus
pyotr
"The constitution, like mountian whiskey, is to be taken straight
and undiluted." Sen. Sam Ervin.
--
py...@halcyon.com Pyotr Filipivich, amongst others.
Richard Nixon got his face on a stamp.
Clinton, Espy, Cisneros & Ron Brown have theirs on the P.O. Wall.
Kaa Byington
Pyotr Filipivich (py...@chinook.halcyon.com) wrote:
: oct...@netcom.com (Kaa Byington) writes:
: |John W. Engel (wh...@cs.utexas.edu) wrote a commentary about the
: mujihadins tactical use of Stingers (someone figured out 'heat seeking'
: meant 'heat seeking' and you could shot at 'ground targets', Like Hinds
: warming up for take off. 'Get tone, get gone'): [Which I snipped for
: the bandwidth]
: |Afghanistan is a rather unfortunate example. Indeed, the Russians pulled
: |out, in 1988, but the fighting continued and worsened. During the time
: |the Russians were there, Kabul, the capital, was relatively safe. As of
: |this year Kabul has been reduced to rubble. The situation in Afghanistan
: |is utterly dismal. One third of the population is dead, another third is
: |living in refugee camps in Pakistan, and the rest are still fighting each
: |other in the ruins of the country. God (or Allah) only knows what they
: |are fighting about, but the peoples who live in mountain country are
: |traditionally war-lovers. The roots go back to ancient tribal enmities,
: |and to equate Afghanis with "freedom fighters" is absurd.
: |--
: Oh I dunno about that. Mountian people tend to be a little prickly
: about 'outsiders', regardless of where the mountians are and how close
: (or far) you are from.
: Contemporary Afghanistan, like post RNV(Saigon) Southeast Asia (what
: used to be called 'indochina', and Yuogoslavia - suffer from acute
: tribalism. "Now that we've gotten rid of the foreigners - it's time to
: bring civilization to 'those people' over the mountian.
Not Indochina. Yugoslavia, yes.
: The 'muj' have three things they know
: and there are four things that seperate them from the heathen:
: 1) they are Agfhani
: 2) they are Muslims
: 3) they are from here,
: 4) the Russians (Or Brits, or whomever) are none of the above.
I'm not so sure that 1) above applies. They don't have much concept of
the nation-state. Hence thier idea of "freedom" doesn't quite jibe with
the western concept. Particularly since the mujadeen tend to be extreme
fundamentalist Muslims.
: As for how this would apply to the Milita movement - some folks are
: real cussed about accepting the 'blessings of progress'. And if push
: comes to shove, they are not of a mind to be concilatory with what they
: consider Evil.
: And some folks of this mind grew up in this country, and have
: some firm opinions about nonsense from the central government.
: Be that the county, the state or those fools back in Washington.
Well, the Afghanis have succeeded in getting rid of all government, if
that's the militia's goal. Pretty high price though--the country is a
vast wasteland. Had to destroy it in order to save it, you know.
And it looks like they'll carry on until there's nobody left--no end is
in sight.
--
C cobra
The only thing you need to be concerned about the Mujahedeen is that all
those Stingers we gave 'em in the 80s mysteriously disappeared and are
beginning to turn up in the hands of Muslim terrorist organizations to
shoot down western airliners. Are you trying to compare militias to the
Mujahedeen? I hope not, the very people that our country tried to help 10
years ago are turning around and helping the fundamentalists to fuck us in
the ass when we're not looking.
Pyotr Filipivich
Two 'arab' proverbs:
I fight my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, my brother,
cousin and I against the world.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The Mujahadeen fought for their liberty. Now, they are supporting,
aiding their 'brothers/cousins in the struggle against the outsiders.
Its just 'our' problem that this never occured to anyone before
the Stingers went over the mountian.
chus
pyotr