ARMY OF GOD ..... YAWEH Bless Eric Rudolph.
USA ISRAEL
Ex 21:22 ś If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her
fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
HCCRR
In article <905554208$29...@black-helicopter.psychetect.com>, USA ISRAEL
<usai...@dasia.net> writes:
}
}
} Ex 21:22 ¶ If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her
}fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
}punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
}shall pay as the judges determine.
Judges, not bombers.
} 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
} 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
} 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
}
According to this logic, then the relatives of the off duty police officer have
a right to kill Eric Rudolph on sight.
MindSpring User
USA ISRAEL wrote in message
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}
} Ex 21:22 ś If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her
}fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
}punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
}shall pay as the judges determine.
} 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
} 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
}
But that justice is for the AUTHORITIES to administer, not individuals!
The Mosaic Law did not allow individuals to take the matters into their own
hands except in the case of Blood Avengers, who where specified as the
nearest male relative to the victim. This was usually done to control blood
feuds among clans and families, by limiting the number who qualify for the
right of vengeance. In the case of these abortionists and the victims, it is
the very family of the victim that is instigating the act. That is part of
what makes this so abominable, and to be left to the authorities.
If you want to do something _really_ constructive, join a politcial
group, and engage the political process. Dont make bombs and store them in
your basement; they may cause you more greif than their intended target will
ever suffer from.
The time of oppression will probably come in due time. Dont be so anxious
for it to start now. Ardor before battle is often quenched early on, but the
war continues, and the impatient then regard the previous peace with an
aching longing. And Gods sword of Justice is two edged. It cuts BOTH ways
and is very sharp. Who in your family are you willing to see mangled,
crippled, or dead? There is nothing to look forward to here. It is a bitter
bread that will taste sweet only in the mouth, then sour your stomach.
RGlenCheek
MindSpring User
HCCRR wrote in message <905618101$27...@black-helicopter.psychetect.com>...
In article <905554208$29...@black-helicopter.psychetect.com>, USA ISRAEL
<usai...@dasia.net> writes:
}
}
} Ex 21:22 ś If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her
}fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely
}punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he
}shall pay as the judges determine.
}Judges, not bombers.
} 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
} 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
} 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
}
}According to this logic, then the relatives of the off duty police officer
have
}a right to kill Eric Rudolph on sight.
Yes, they do. A moral right, but not one recognised in our courts of law.
RGlenCheek
Gray Shockley
On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:50:00 -0500, MindSpring User wrote:
} If you want to do something _really_ constructive, join a politcial
} group, and engage the political process. Dont make bombs and store them in
} your basement; they may cause you more greif than their intended target
} will ever suffer from. The time of oppression will probably come in due
} time. Dont be so anxious for it to start now. Ardor before battle is often
} quenched early on, but the war continues, and the impatient then regard the
} previous peace with an aching longing. And Gods sword of Justice is two
} edged. It cuts BOTH ways and is very sharp. Who in your family are you
} willing to see mangled, crippled, or dead? There is nothing to look forward
} to here. It is a bitter bread that will taste sweet only in the mouth, then
} sour your stomach.
Amen, brother.
Gray
L D O
This may not get posted, my last one didn't concerning Mr Rudolph.
In ages past Mr Rudolph, would have been cannonized for his defense of the most
helpless souls, the unborn. He would have been revered by the masses.
Killing to defend the defenseless, could not be construed as murder. Those who
sacrafice the unborn, and half born for the sake of convenience, those who committ
the actual murder, the providers, assistants,etc. are the ones, that should be
prosecuted for murder.
Most of us, in today's world, including me, are to conditioned by liberal unGodly
leadership, and caveats to take the steps tha Mr Rudolph did.
In the end, what will matter, is what God says about it.
Mark Pitcavage
On Sat, 19 Sep 98 1:50:00 GMT, L D O <dow...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
}In ages past Mr Rudolph, would have been cannonized for his defense of the most
}helpless souls, the unborn. He would have been revered by the masses.
}Killing to defend the defenseless, could not be construed as murder. Those who
}sacrafice the unborn, and half born for the sake of convenience, those who committ
}the actual murder, the providers, assistants,etc. are the ones, that should be
}prosecuted for murder.
In "ages past," abortion was routinely practiced before the
quickening, so rather than being "cannonized" (sic), the masses
probably would have thought him rather peculiar.
Dr. Mark Pitcavage
The Militia Watchdog, http://www.militia-watchdog.org
Gray Shockley
On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:50:00 -0500, L D O wrote:
[I am assuming as you do that Mr. Rudolph did that of which he is accused.]
} This may not get posted, my last one didn't concerning Mr Rudolph. In ages
} past Mr Rudolph, would have been cannonized for his defense of the most
} helpless souls, the unborn.
I dunno, there have been many societies (many of them Christian), that have
considered abortion to be morally neutral and muder by stealth, in the night,
to be worthy of a verdict other than accolades.
} He would have been revered by the masses.
Funny that you should mention that. Many of the murders done by the Ku Klux
Klan were "revered by the masses".
[Personal note: my morality is not connected to your popularity contest.]
} Killing to defend the defenseless, could not be construed as murder. Those
} who sacrafice the unborn, and half born for the sake of convenience, those
} who committ the actual murder, the providers, assistants,etc. are the ones,
} that should be prosecuted for murder.
It's a matter of beliefs. You believe that a fetus is a human being. And I
might again suggest that you advocate long prison sentences for women who have
a miscarriage or a spontaneous abortion because it is - or so it seems from
your "definition" - "involutary murder", usually called "manslaughter".
I believe that no child should be brought into the world who is not wanted. I'm
immoral by your definition, you are immoral by my definition (and by your
apology for not being a cold-blooded, sneak/coward in the night murderer).
You want 11-year old children who are pregnant by their fathers to be forced
into a nine-month terror and delivery of a child.
You want cocaine/heroine babies.
}Most of us, in today's world, including me, are to conditioned by liberal
unGodly leadership, and caveats to take
} the steps tha Mr Rudolph did.
I'm not sure that God is going to accept your apology for not being a murderer
because you are weak. I'm sure God will take into consideration that you really
want to kill people but that you have been so corrupted that you just can't
bring yourself to be a cowardly/sneak in the night murderer "to the glory of
God".
Interesting column by William Raspberry (printed in _The Clarion_Ledger" / 4
Sep 98. Copyrighted so I'll only copy the first few paras.
---------------------------------------------
Don't you just love the way some people can reduce the most complex problems to
simple, unshakable answers?
None of the legal, ethical or moral squirming that afflicts the not-so-sure
among us. They know the truth.
Naturally this is another abortion column.
Not quite though, since the anguished couple involved don't want an abortion,
but ...
. . .
Gilda is 30 weeks pregnant with a baby that has just fragments of a skull, a
brain stem - and virtually no brain at all.
---------------------------------------------
You might want to hunt down the column (although you sound as if you'd just
want to murder everyone involved).
} In the end, what will matter, is what God says about it.
True, but I somehow can't believe that you're going to ever be in a place to
know what God says about people who apologize for not murdering.
And the place doesn't even have air conditioning.
Gray
HCCRR
In article <906169800$23...@black-helicopter.psychetect.com>, L D O
<dow...@bellsouth.net> writes:
}
}This may not get posted, my last one didn't concerning Mr Rudolph.
}In ages past Mr Rudolph, would have been cannonized for his defense of the
}most
}helpless souls, the unborn. He would have been revered by the masses.
}Killing to defend the defenseless, could not be construed as murder. Those
}who
}sacrafice the unborn, and half born for the sake of convenience, those who
}committ
}the actual murder, the providers, assistants,etc. are the ones, that should
}be
}prosecuted for murder.
}Most of us, in today's world, including me, are to conditioned by liberal
}unGodly
}leadership, and caveats to take the steps tha Mr Rudolph did.
}In the end, what will matter, is what God says about it.
}
So murder is okay, if you use the name of God to do it?
Dustin Christopher Preuitt
L D O (dow...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
::>
::>This may not get posted, my last one didn't concerning Mr Rudolph.
::>In ages past Mr Rudolph, would have been cannonized for his defense of the most
::>helpless souls, the unborn. He would have been revered by the masses.
Let's look at what Rudolph is suspected of doing:
1. detonating a bomb at the Olympics, killing an innocent woman enjoying a
vacation with her daughter.
2. detonating another bomb a couple of years later killing an innocent
police officer just doing his beat.
And you think Rudolph should be revered? Open your eyes, wacko!
MindSpring User
L D O wrote in message <906169800$23...@black-helicopter.psychetect.com>...
}
}This may not get posted, my last one didn't concerning Mr Rudolph.
}In ages past Mr Rudolph, would have been cannonized for his defense of the
most
}helpless souls, the unborn.
Even if what you say is true, what did the Olympic park bombing have to do
with abortion, or the gay club bombing? Rudolph has a much larger agenda
than mere abortion.
} He would have been revered by the masses.
If you carfully chose one time era, one could find the masses cheering most
anything. This proves nothing, other than that the masses are fickle and
easily led; thank god at least the elites are predictably shiftless, greedy,
unscrupless liars and murderers! At least some portion of humanity is
consistent!
}Killing to defend the defenseless, could not be construed as murder.
Being ambushed a hidden bomb is pretty defenceless in my book.
}Those who
}sacrafice the unborn, and half born for the sake of convenience, those who
committ
}the actual murder, the providers, assistants,etc. are the ones, that should
be
}prosecuted for murder.
Like the little mothers? I am opposed to abortion, but this has historically
been grey terrain for theologians. Murdering people with hidden bombs and
booby traps that kill indiscriminately ( a young child could as easily set
most of them off) is not only cowardly, but misbegotten as well (no pun
intended). This is a spiritual war that will be won by persuading the
majority of the capably violent in our society that the cause is just. That
side that bombs and murders without remorse, individual consideration, and
precision will lose that war of minds and hearts. Rudolph is doing more to
strengthen the hand of the state than any knee-pad equipped woman in the
Justice Dept.
}Most of us, in today's world, including me, are to conditioned by liberal
unGodly
}leadership, and caveats to take the steps tha Mr Rudolph did.
Sounds like you're not all that conditioned, LDO.
}In the end, what will matter, is what God says about it.
}
True enough, but sometimes He allows sin to reign as He prepares a new
beggining. Dont be caught with your lamp out of oil when the moment of Truth
comes. If Rudolph dies in his sins, it will be tougher on him than his
victims, I think.
RGlenCheek
Razoreye
I recall in the old Testament that the Jews where ordered to destroy whole
tribes of peoples from the man to child and did in fact carry this out.
How would you suggest that some one fighting a tyranical government fight.
to walk out in the street and fire on army troops would indeed make your
efforts very short and very feeble. Many times a freedom fighters tactics are
limited and not as honorable as say the carpet bombing of cities that
governments do (WW II & Lebanon). Do you see another more humane way to fight
the enemy that wins in the courts and in the streets by their own force of
overpowering any one who is against them either by force of arms or by economic
destruction of your entire communities by shipping work and your hard earned
tax dollars overseas. What is the answer? We all can say what is not the
answer. Give us a solution that will allow us to fight for Justice in a just
way? RW
MindSpring User
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}
}I recall in the old Testament that the Jews where ordered to destroy whole
}tribes of peoples from the man to child and did in fact carry this out.
That was in a very brutal age that far surpasses any of the more recent
periods. Genocide then was a normal consequence of war in many cases.Also
note that these complete anihilations that the Isrealites carried out were
not the result of 'war as usual'; they were the exception and directly
ordered by God through His prophets.
}How would you suggest that some one fighting a tyranical government fight.
}to walk out in the street and fire on army troops would indeed make your
}efforts very short and very feeble. Many times a freedom fighters tactics
are
}limited and not as honorable as say the carpet bombing of cities that
}governments do (WW II & Lebanon). Do you see another more humane way to
fight
}the enemy that wins in the courts and in the streets by their own force of
}overpowering any one who is against them either by force of arms or by
economic
}destruction of your entire communities by shipping work and your hard
earned
}tax dollars overseas. What is the answer? We all can say what is not the
}answer. Give us a solution that will allow us to fight for Justice in a
just
}way? RW
Sure RW.
First, there has to be a declaration of a state of war. Why? Because it
grants a direct and unmistakable intent on the part of the revolutionaries,
and places some responsibility on the targetted government for protecting
its citizens. It alerts the public, and defines for them what is a safe
manor of behavior and what isnt. For example, if the government declared all
guns to be illegal, aconvention of groups opposed to this measure might meet
and draw up a declaration, giving the government time to back off its plans
or the public peace will be shattered. If the government fails to properly
respond, the group goes underground and begins a revolt, but only after
having published the prior document of greavances, and a final declaration
of defidelity. This is the reference point for any discussion of the revolt,
and negotiations over its conclusion. This serves to shorten the war and
achieve a real peace.
After this has been done the revolt goes through a number of phases that
vary from county to county, state to state. These phases, roughly are:
1) Defensive subterfuge and resistance;
2) Aggressive attrition upon the government and its worst agents;
3) Irregular light infantry warfare to escalate government control and
expense;
4) Irregular warfare to control remote and less defensible areas;
5) Hightened warfare to interdict and disrupt the government and its
actions;
6) Quick and decisive control of central/strategic urban areas;
7) Consolidation and pacification of opposition bastions.
Phase 1) is essentially a period of what would resemble organized crime,
and from the governments perspective would be no different. A system of
document forging, reliable black marketeering, illicit factories, etc would
create channels for the resistance to move people around the country in an
undetectable way, get fugitives new identities and residences, and provide
safe houses, etc. The goal in this phase is to provide survivability for the
resistance cadre, logistics, and intelligence networks.
The government will step up its counter measures, and will predictably
relie more and more on brutal suppression and intimidation. Many of its own
agents and officers will be ready to defect and/or flee the brutal system
that they have come to find repugnant. The Resistance will need to be ready
to exploit these opportunities, but in a secure fashion to prevent the
induction of spies, provacateurs, roaches, and sabateurs. The Resistance
will find great public sympathy in carrying out vigilante attacks on
specific abusive government officials (but not indiscriminate bombings),
attacks guarranteed to incite yet more brutality from the government. The
attacks would be specifically designed according to mission requirements
with emphasis on stealth and precision. An icepick and/or silenced 22 in
the heart of an oppressive bureaucrat will be of more use and effectiveness
than nail bombs in public squares.
The begginings of irregular infantry warfare would be based from urban
areas and have short range missions to disrupt key fuel, communication, and
travel lines. Their protection would be their anonymity, speed, and
unpredictability. To "hit them before they see us coming, and before they
see us going, we will be gone." Ambush, trapping, sabotage, monkey
wrenching, and raiding will be the most useful tactics; never standing for
an even fight, only striking at favorable odds, and with great speed. In
this style of fighting, a team of five well equipped and trained men will
be more effective than a company of conscripts or two squadrons of urban
police.
As the government pulls its forces back to safeguard critical areas like
the coal shipment railroad lines in the Appalachians, especially between
Charleston, WVA, and Pittsburgh, Penn, the Resistance would focaus on
maintaining a permanent field force in remote and undeveloped areas of the
US, like the Sabine River, remote Ozark areas, remote Rockies.
As the ability to maintain a permanent presence spreads, the interdiction
of supples and services would increase, with the aim of crippling transport
and commerce. Then the attacks on cruscial cities will begin as a 'soft'
seige, eventually resulting in misguided relief efforts, which wil be
ambushed. As this phase moves ahead, negotiators representing various
factions will attempt negotiation, and make various offers of
partnership/cooporation. It is crucial to the successful resolution of the
war, that the Resistance leadership maintain enough flexibility in its
stated positions and grievances to nudge together a coalition that can
politically subvert the government in question. ( I am picturing China).
In none of this are attacks on civilians required and it is more effective
to present ones organization peacably to them. This is just for starters,
more can be manage later if you wish.
RGlenCheek
Dustin Christopher Preuitt
The honourable Razoreye (razo...@aol.com) wrote:
::>tax dollars overseas. What is the answer? We all can say what is not the
::>answer. Give us a solution that will allow us to fight for Justice in a just
::>way? RW
Umm...the electoral process?
Razoreye
Both candidates are bought and payed for in national politics so you can see
this as a solution then are right where they want you. The VOTE is the opiate
of the masses here in this coporation. RW
RW
HCCRR
In article <906861901$19...@black-helicopter.psychetect.com>, razo...@aol.com
(Razoreye) writes:
Then George Washington, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson were pushers.
Razoreye
I'm talking about 1900's Aren't you? RW
RW