Bh. Krishnamurti, Dravidian linguist
N. Ganesan
An interesting article on BhK.
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article593622.ece
தமிழ் செம்மொழி என்று அரசியல் தலைவர்கள் பெரிதாக
அக்கறை காட்டாத காலகட்டம். இந்தாலஜிஸ்ட்ஸ் சபையில்
தமிழ் செம்மொழி என்று நானும், என் பின்னால் சிலரும்
பேசிய போது, இவர் தமிழ் செம்மொழி அல்ல என்று
என்னிடம் வாதாடினார்.
http://nganesan.blogspot.com/2010/01/hart.html
http://nganesan.blogspot.com/2010/02/john-samuel-ctamil.html
இப்போது பார்த்தால், BhK தெலுங்கு செம்மொழி என்று
அரசியலில் தில்லி தர்பாரில் வாங்கியிருக்கிறார்.
இந்த கட்டுரை சொல்லும் 2000-ஆண்டு தெலுங்கு
கல்வெட்டு உண்மையா? இல்லை, சாதவாகனர்
காசில் உள்ள தமிழை தெலுங்கு என்கிறார்களா?
உறுதியாய் தமிழ் என்பர் ரா. நாகசாமி, ஐராவதம்.
தெலுங்கு என்கின்றனர் ஆந்திராவில்!
நா. கணேசன்
http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article593622.ece
Doyen of linguistics
K. DAMODAR RAO
Bhadriraju Krishnamurty stands out as a cultural and linguistics icon.
The first World Classical Tamil Conference held at Coimbatore should
be an eye-opener to other states and regional sub-cultures for
asserting their language, heritage, history, ethos, and their
tradition of music, dance and song.
One significant feature of the cultural extravaganza organized by
Tamil Nadu was honouring a foreigner who attempted to establish links
between ancient Tamil script and the so-far undeciphered Indus Valley
script. There are many scholar-critics and cultural activists who
contributed to the enrichment of Telugu language and culture and who
took part vigorously in the campaign to make Telugu a classical
language, a status accorded to Tamil.
It is in this context that one remembers the yeoman service rendered
by the 82-year-old Prof. Bhadriraju Krishnamurty, better known as BHK
in academic and literary circles. Doyen of linguistics and literary
activism for over fifty years now, he was the driving force behind
other Telugu litterateurs in disseminating the relevant information,
collecting and collating the write-ups on the 2000-year-old
inscriptions and presenting the needed data to the government with
factual account to prove the ancestry of the Telugu language.
Born in Ongole in 1928, Dr. Bh. Krishnamurty took his Ph.D from
University of Pennsylvania in 1957. For his contribution to Dravidian
Linguistics, he received Hon Dlitt. from Sri Venkateswara University,
Tirupati (1998), and Dravidian University, Kuppam (2007). Earlier, he
worked as Professor of Linguistics (1962-88), Osmania University;
Dean, Faculty of Arts (1973-6), Member, University Syndicate (71-75);
Director, Southern Regional Centre, Indian Council of Social Science
Research (1978-82); Vice-Chancellor of University of Hyderabad
(1986-93).
BHK has written over 25 books and over 120 research papers, both in
English and Telugu which include Telugu Verbal Bases: A Comparative
and Descriptive Study, Comparative Dravidian Linguistics: Current
Perspectives, The Dravidian Languages. Gold Nuggets: An Anthology of
Selected Post-independence Telugu Short Stories in English Translation
(ed. with C. Vijayasree).
One only wishes the saga of BHK continues forever.
Dhivakar
I understand BhK's enthusiasm. But he was true.
Telugu was in written form during early centuries of Christian era. Mahendra Pallava used both Telugu and Sanskrit for inscription. Satavahana who ruled Southern part of Vindya used Telugu and Prakrit. No doubt Telugu got classical tag but, the lipi was completely destroyed from 700 to 1200 years due to the itra-rivalry of Chalukya - Rashtrakuda - again Chalukya vs Pallavas and later cholas as most part of Andhra Pradesh used as Battle field where the army with thousands of soldiers stayed for years and settled for long.
This has ruined the local stablity of Telugu's and also its own culture and most importantly telugu.
Again telugu lipi came into existence from 12/13th century but with difference style following Kannada scripts.
The reference for this you can find in N. Venkatramaiah, emninet historian on Andhra as well Mr. B.S.N. Rao, in his social status of Andhra in medeival times.
But frankly speaking, nobody cares here locally to talk about their language rich heritage. Nobody bothered that they have recently got the classical tag for their own language, except few like BhK.
What to do. Old people do not have work except to speak about old things ((
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K R A Narasiah
N. Ganesan
On Aug 30, 1:36 am, K R A Narasiah <narasiah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> தன் குஞ்சொன்றே பொன்குஞ்செனவே
> கன்னங்கறுத்த காக்கையும் கருதும்
> நாமக்கல் கவிஞர்
>
>
I can also understand why Central Govt. awards Classical status
to demands by Kannada and Telugu folks. Malayalam demand
also should be satisfied. There is no problem.
I have the Letters that George Hart drafted not accepting
these demands & will post in the future. He said it is
like declaring English as classical language. Its use
is different Like in the West, Indian universities
should have classics dept.s & start teaching
classical literatures. In the West, Greek & Latin.
Likewise, in India - Sanskrit and Tamil.
I think few from Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam,
and other Indic literatures can also be added
(given that almost every one will get classical
tag.)
Dhivagaaru and Narasiah - if you can get the document
that Andhra Pradesh (and Karnataka) submitted to DElhi,
we can all get educated.
Dhivakar, what is the literature available in Telugu
before 700 AD? And, what are the inscriptions
in Tlugu lipi? Mahendra Pallava?
N. Ganesan
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Dhivakar <venkdhiva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > NG
>
> > I understand BhK's enthusiasm. But he was true.
>
> > Telugu was in written form during early centuries of Christian era.
> > Mahendra Pallava used both Telugu and Sanskrit for inscription. Satavahana
> > who ruled Southern part of Vindya used Telugu and Prakrit. No doubt Telugu
> > got classical tag but, the lipi was completely destroyed from 700 to 1200
> > years due to the itra-rivalry of Chalukya - Rashtrakuda - again Chalukya vs
> > Pallavas and later cholas as most part of Andhra Pradesh used as Battle
> > field where the army with thousands of soldiers stayed for years and settled
> > for long.
>
> > This has ruined the local stablity of Telugu's and also its own culture and
> > most importantly telugu.
>
> > Again telugu lipi came into existence from 12/13th century but with
> > difference style following Kannada scripts.
>
> > The reference for this you can find in N. Venkatramaiah, emninet historian
> > on Andhra as well Mr. B.S.N. Rao, in his social status of Andhra in medeival
> > times.
>
> > But frankly speaking, nobody cares here locally to talk about their
> > language rich heritage. Nobody bothered that they have recently got the
> > classical tag for their own language, except few like BhK.
>
> > What to do. Old people do not have work except to speak about old things ((
>
> > D
>
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> I can also understand why Central Govt. awards Classical status
> to demands by Kannada and Telugu folks. Malayalam demand
> also should be satisfied. There is no problem.
>
> I have the Letters that George Hart drafted not accepting
> these demands & will post in the future. He said it is
> like declaring English as classical language.
academic circles and in Tamilnadu it is a political movement. At some
point, even academics like Bh.K can't stand away from it. 'If you
can't lick them , join them' is the cry.
Govt. of India is a sophisticated machine is these respects and would
not stand in the way of mollifying popular demands in language
matters.
Vijayaraghavan
N. Ganesan
Having given 3, why not add the tag to Malayalam?
Orissa or Bengali - each is unique.
N. Ganesan
> Vijayaraghavan
Dhivakar
Pallavaram Kudavarai has three language inscriptions, sanscrit, Telugu and Tamil (CE 590 - 620) SII - 12 - 13TH No.
Excerpts from 'Mahendrar Kudavarai' by Mu. Nalini/ R. Kalaikkovan
மகேந்திரனின் விருதுப்பெயர்களாக வெட்டப்பட்டுள்ளன. . பல்லவ கிரந்தத்தில் வெட்டப்பட்ட இப்பெயர்கள், வடமொழி, தெலுங்கு, தமிழ் மூன்று மொழிகளிலும் அமைந்துள்ளமை குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது..
தெலுங்கு மட்டும்:ஸத்யஸந்த, லக்ஷித, இஷ்டதுஷ்டப்ருஷ்டசரித, நைஹிகாமுத்ரிகா, நயம்பு, நதுகு.... (இன்ன பிற விருதுகள்.)
Micheal Lockwood gave these in Pallava Grandha.and English.
At present General people not allowed to enter here as Masjid has occupied full portion of this cave temple.
Old Telugu Inscription stones are there in Nagarjuna Sagar area, these also I will give you inscription details on Nagarjuna Acharya -
Amaravathi Pillar established by Satavahana at Amaravathi has details on 'Kaalchakra details of Lord Bhuddha Visit' Some are in Telugu Prakrit.
The details I will send you.
D
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N. Ganesan
Thanks a lot. Pl. see if you can get (English & Telugu)
document that AP sent to Delhi. It can serve as
a modle for, say, Oriya.
N. Ganesan
On Aug 30, 6:44 am, Dhivakar <venkdhiva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> NG...
>
> read more »
>
> Pallavaram Kudavarai has three language inscriptions, sanscrit, Telugu and
> Tamil (CE 590 - 620) SII - 12 - 13TH No.
>
> Excerpts from 'Mahendrar Kudavarai' by Mu. Nalini/ R. Kalaikkovan
>
> மகேந்திரனின் விருதுப்பெயர்களாக வெட்டப்பட்டுள்ளன. . பல்லவ கிரந்தத்தில்
> வெட்டப்பட்ட இப்பெயர்கள், வடமொழி, தெலுங்கு, தமிழ் மூன்று மொழிகளிலும்
> அமைந்துள்ளமை குறிப்பிடத்தக்கது..
>
> தெலுங்கு மட்டும்:ஸத்யஸந்த, லக்ஷித, இஷ்டதுஷ்டப்ருஷ்டசரித, நைஹிகாமுத்ரிகா,
> நயம்பு, நதுகு.... (இன்ன பிற விருதுகள்.)
>
> Micheal Lockwood gave these in Pallava Grandha.and English.
>
> At present General people not allowed to enter here as Masjid has occupied
> full portion of this cave temple.
>
> Old Telugu Inscription stones are there in Nagarjuna Sagar area, these also
> I will give you inscription details on Nagarjuna Acharya -
>
> Amaravathi Pillar established by Satavahana at Amaravathi has details on
> 'Kaalchakra details of Lord Bhuddha Visit' Some are in Telugu Prakrit.
>
> The details I will send you.
>
> D
>
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before 700 AD?
Telugunadu is inbetween Godavari and Pennaru (vadapennai). The first known telugu kavya was sung by Nannayya in a classical telugu in the year CE 1052, when Raja Raja Narendra Ruled Vengi. It is called Nannayya Bharatham, a translation of Mahabharatham in Telugu (presently for half an hour every day I am hearing). But it was not completed during his period but after 200 years it was completed by Erranna in Telugu (Kannada script).
So, for all probability, we can consider first Telugu classical work was written in 1052. - means atleast 1000 years old.
NG., One thousand years back, it was written in a beautiful style. A language will not erupt in a day or two. So, it must have been old enough during 11th c itself.
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N. Ganesan
Thanks for the info.
Kind regards,
N. Ganesan
On Aug 30, 7:29 am, Swaminathan Venkat <vswaminathan.ven...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Classical status for Tamil language, which was not coming from the earlier
> Central Governhments, of whichever hue. Now that, it was soon after the last
> general elections, and Karunanidhi could blackmail the central govt. to
> accepting him demands, and yet he settled down to a lower ceiling of 1500
> years than what was earlier set at 2000 years antiquity of the language's
> literature. That was a compromise worked out by the cunning NDA-1 regime so
> that the rest of the southern regions did not feel let down. They had to
> satisfy everyone around, to grab power and stay there. Karunanidhi was
> agreeable to this compromise and this was fine with him tocarry home and tom
> tom to the world that he could wring from the Centre what earlier CMs could
> not get for decades and decades.
>
> Once that antiquity ceiling was brought down to 1500 years, the door is now
> open for Malayalam, kannada, Telugu etc. to lay claim to that status.
>
> If only karunanidhi was not bothered about boosting his image with false
> claims and compromises, if he had stood his ground, he could have got that
> status without the ceiling being brought down.Then Tamil and Sanskrit alone
> could be claimants tothat status.
>
> karunanidhi's behind the curtain secret dealings are suppressed, never
> borught out and it is drowned in the loud propagandist claims. All the media
> is now at this service. There is nobody to question him.
>
>
> > Dhivakar, what is the literature available in Telugu
> > before 700 AD?
>
> > Unfortunately no. The History says Kanchi, the centre of knowledge for long
> > long period, has sanscrit as main language. Pandits, they talk only through
> > sanscrit. That's why the south based Aadhi Shankarar, Ramanujar, Madhwar,
> > all were negotiating though sanscrit.
>
> > Telugunadu is inbetween Godavari and Pennaru (vadapennai). The first known
> > telugu kavya was sung by Nannayya in a classical telugu in the year CE 1052,
> > when Raja Raja Narendra Ruled Vengi. It is called Nannayya Bharatham, a
> > translation of Mahabharatham in Telugu (presently for half an hour every day
> > I am hearing). But it was not completed during his period but after 200
> > years it was completed by Erranna in Telugu (Kannada script).
>
> > So, for all probability, we can consider first Telugu classical work was
> > written in 1052. - means atleast 1000 years old.
>
> > NG., One thousand years back, it was written in a beautiful style. A
> > language will not erupt in a day or two. So, it must have been old enough
> > during 11th c itself.
>
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> On Aug 30, 6:10 am, விஜயராகவன் <viji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 30 Aug, 11:59, "N. Ganesan" <naa.gane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I can also understand why Central Govt. awards Classical status
> > > to demands by Kannada and Telugu folks. Malayalam demand
> > > also should be satisfied. There is no problem.
>
> > > I have the Letters that George Hart drafted not accepting
> > > these demands & will post in the future. He said it is
> > > like declaring English as classical language.
>
> > The demand for 'classical status' for a language has come from non-
> > academic circles and in Tamilnadu it is a political movement. At some
> > point, even academics like Bh.K can't stand away from it. 'If you
> > can't lick them , join them' is the cry.
>
> > Govt. of India is a sophisticated machine is these respects and would
> > not stand in the way of mollifying popular demands in language
> > matters.
>
> I agree. Votes count.
coalition government, making the states confirm to the foreign
policies, dynastic politics, etc.
If the CM in TN can "deliver" confirmity of Tamilnadu in the matter of
Srilanka policy, the status of Tamil is a small bargaining chip
Vijayaraghavan
N. Ganesan
On Aug 30, 8:18 am, விஜயராகவன் <viji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I agree. Votes count.
>
> It is not a matter of votes . It is a matter of stability of the
> coalition government, making the states confirm to the foreign
> policies, dynastic politics, etc.
>
> If the CM in TN can "deliver" confirmity of Tamilnadu in the matter of
> Srilanka policy, the status of Tamil is a small bargaining chip
>
to 20 or so languages of India. It is there, just people have to ask.
N. Ganesan
LNS
செத்த மொழிக்கே செம்மொழி அந்தஸ்து என்பது BhK- அவர்களின் ஒரிஜினல்
கருத்து. இப்போது தம் கருத்தை ஒரு மாதிரி மாற்றிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறார் போல
தெரிகிறது.
LNS
On Aug 30, 1:43 am, "N. Ganesan" <naa.gane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> An interesting article on BhK.http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article593622.ece
>
> தமிழ் செம்மொழி என்று அரசியல் தலைவர்கள் பெரிதாக
> அக்கறை காட்டாத காலகட்டம். இந்தாலஜிஸ்ட்ஸ் சபையில்
> தமிழ் செம்மொழி என்று நானும், என் பின்னால் சிலரும்
> பேசிய போது, இவர் தமிழ் செம்மொழி அல்ல என்று
> என்னிடம் வாதாடினார்.
>
Nagarajan Vadivel
Even today the status of Tamil as Classical Language is one step below Sanskrit. Both can never be equated.
Nagarajan
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N. Ganesan
On Aug 30, 10:12 am, LNS <lns25...@gmail.com> wrote:
> கணேசன்,
>
> செத்த மொழிக்கே செம்மொழி அந்தஸ்து என்பது BhK- அவர்களின் ஒரிஜினல்
> கருத்து. இப்போது தம் கருத்தை ஒரு மாதிரி மாற்றிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறார் போல
> தெரிகிறது.
>
The reason is quite clear. In the initial phase, BhK was arguing that
Tamil cannot
be a Classical language like Sanskrit. Zvelebil, AKR, Hart - works
were proving otherwise.
Once TN Govt. got involved and got the cl. tag from Delhi durbar, this
linguist BhK
forgot about his earlier stand and worked hard to get Telugu also the
same status as Tamil.
Telugu texts start in 12th century (except possibly few names assumed
to be Telugu
in early Grantha inscriptions) and the early Telugu literature follows
Sanskrit models.
At least until 12th cenury, all the Kannada literature was Jaina.
It will be interesting the document prepared by BhK to get Telugu the
classical
tag.
N. Ganesan
> LNS
>
> On Aug 30, 1:43 am, "N. Ganesan" <naa.gane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > An interesting article on BhK.http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article593622.ece
>
> > தமிழ் செம்மொழி என்று அரசியல் தலைவர்கள் பெரிதாக
> > அக்கறை காட்டாத காலகட்டம். இந்தாலஜிஸ்ட்ஸ் சபையில்
> > தமிழ் செம்மொழி என்று நானும், என் பின்னால் சிலரும்
> > பேசிய போது, இவர் தமிழ் செம்மொழி அல்ல என்று
> > என்னிடம் வாதாடினார்.
>
> >http://nganesan.blogspot.com/2010/01/hart.htmlhttp://nganesan.blogspo...
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N. Ganesan
On Aug 30, 7:29 am, Swaminathan Venkat <vswaminathan.ven...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I heard ourChief Minister was in a tearing hurry to get the declaration of
> Classical status for Tamil language, which was not coming from the earlier
> Central Governhments, of whichever hue. Now that, it was soon after the last
> general elections, and Karunanidhi could blackmail the central govt. to
> accepting him demands, and yet he settled down to a lower ceiling of 1500
> years than what was earlier set at 2000 years antiquity of the language's
> literature. That was a compromise worked out by the cunning NDA-1 regime so
> that the rest of the southern regions did not feel let down. They had to
> satisfy everyone around, to grab power and stay there. Karunanidhi was
> agreeable to this compromise and this was fine with him tocarry home and tom
> tom to the world that he could wring from the Centre what earlier CMs could
> not get for decades and decades
>
> Once that antiquity ceiling was brought down to 1500 years, the door is now
> open for Malayalam, kannada, Telugu etc. to lay claim to that status.
>
> If only karunanidhi was not bothered about boosting his image with false
> claims and compromises, if he had stood his ground, he could have got that
> status without the ceiling being brought down.Then Tamil and Sanskrit alone
> could be claimants tothat status.
>
> karunanidhi's behind the curtain secret dealings are suppressed, never
> borught out and it is drowned in the loud propagandist claims. All the media
> is now at this service. There is nobody to question him.
>
செம்மொழி தெலுங்கு - பத்ரிராஜு கிருஷ்ணமூர்த்தியின் சேவை:
http://nganesan.blogspot.com/2010/09/bhk.html
உலக அரங்கில் தமிழைச் செம்மொழி என்று நிலைநிறுத்த பேரா. ஹார்ட்,
சுவெலபில், ஏ. கே. இராமானுஜன், ... போன்றோரின் உழைப்புக்கு நாம் நன்றி
செலுத்தவேண்டும். அமெரிக்காவின் புகழ்பெற்ற பல்கலைக்கழகங்களில்
கிரேக்கமும், இலத்தீனமும் செம்மொழிகளாய்ப் பயிற்றுவிக்கப்படுகின்றன.
அதேபோல, இந்தியாவின் எல்லாப்பல்கலைகளிலும் Classics Department என்னும்
செம்மொழித் துறை ஏற்படுத்தி ஸம்ஸ்கிருதம், தமிழ் கற்பிக்கப்பட வேண்டும்
என்று ஜார்ஜ் ஹார்ட் ஆலோசனை வழங்கிவருகிறார். தெலுங்கு, கன்னடம் போன்றவை
தமிழ், ஸம்ஸ்கிருதம் இவைக்கு இணையான செம்மொழிகள் அல்ல என்று அம்மொழிகள்
அரசியல் அழுத்தம் காரணமாய் அத் தகுதி தில்லி தர்பாரில் வாங்கியபோது
இந்திய நாளிதழ்களுக்கு பேரா. ஹார்ட் அவர்கள் அனுப்ப இருந்தார். அம்
மடல்களை பொது அரங்கில் வெளிவருதல் இதுவே முதன்முறையாகும். அவற்றைத்
தங்களின் பார்வைக்கு முன்வைக்கிறோம்.
பேரா. ஜார்ஜ் ஹார்ட் - இந்தியாவின் செம்மொழிகள் இரண்டே!
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Sirs:
I read with dismay that Kannada is to be recognized as a classical
language. Like French, English, and German, Kannada is a rich and
worthy language. But India has only two true indigenous classical
languages -- Sanskrit and Tamil, each of which is considerably older
than the other Indian languages and has an independent literary
tradition. Tamil, not known as well as it should be in the rest of
India, has an early literature that is entirely independent of
Sanskrit, both in its literary forms and its vocabulary. This is not
true of Kannada, whose earliest writings are deeply indebted to and
imitative of Sanskrit. The earliest work in the language is
Kaviraajamaarga, whose title and content are entirely based on
Sanskrit. Kannada does not satisfy two of the criteria listed by the
Government of India for a classical language. First, it is not 1500
years old. The fact that a Kannada dialect may have possibly
influenced some Tamil form hardly means it has texts 1500 years old.
Nor is it possible to claim that its literary tradition is original.
Unlike that of Tamil, which is genuinely original, the Kannada
tradition follows Sanskrit quite faithfully. It is not original by
any stretch of the imagination. A comparison of Kavirajamarga with
the Tolkappiyam would make this point perfectly clear. The Kannada
scholars feel they have achieved a victory, no doubt, but in reality
all they have accomplished is to foist on the world and on Kannada
speakers themselves a myth. To ignore the true richness of one's
language and to base one's appreciation of it on a falsehood does no
one any good. The study of language and literature in India is highly
political -- Kannada is hardly the only language that suffers from
this situation. Sincerely, George Hart, Professor of Tamil,
University of California, Berkeley, CA, USA
Sirs:
I read with dismay that Telugu will be recognized as a classical
language. Like French, English, and German, Telugu is a rich and
worthy language. But India has only two true indigenous classical
languages -- Sanskrit and Tamil, each of which is considerably older
than the other Indian languages and has an independent literary
tradition. Tamil, not known as well as it should be in the rest of
India, has an early literature that is entirely independent of
Sanskrit, both in its literary forms and its vocabulary. This is not
true of Telugu, whose earliest writings are deeply indebted to and
imitative of Sanskrit. The same can be said of Kannada. The rush to
label languages as classical that are nothing of the sort can do
nothing but harm those languages. I could claim English, my own
native language, as classical (with at least as much justification as
the Telugu scholars have for claiming their language is classical),
but I would only succeed in detracting attention from the true worth
of the language while propagating a myth. Telugu and Kannada are not,
by any rational criterion, classical languages. That its scholars
insist on what is patently false seems bizarre, for it is utterly
unwarranted by the great literary traditions that they study. This
rush to mythologize language suggests to me that the study of
literature in India is still immature. No English or French scholar
in the West would question the classical status of Greek or rush to
give the same status to their own language. Rather, scholars study
Greek in order to better understand their own literatures. If only
scholars of modern Indian languages had such an unbiased view! If
Telugu and Kannada scholars would study Tamil, they would find their
understanding of their own traditions multiplied many times. The same
is true of Tamil scholars, who often eschew the study of Sanskrit and
of other Indian languages. The study of Sanskrit will broaden the
understanding of Tamil just as the study of Tamil will benefit
Sanskrit scholars. I find myself at a loss to understand why scholars
of Indian languages must be so parochial. To claim one's language is
something it is not, or to fail to study other languages and
traditions that throw light on one's own, are, to my mind, marks of a
scholarly culture that is still undeveloped and immature. Sincerely,
George Hart, Professor of Tamil, University of California, Berkeley,
CA, USA
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