I had initially thought of sending HTML mails with images embedded,
but I suppose it would be disastrous for those who read the mails in
the webpage (that includes me). So, I am experimenting the usage of
Grantha in Plain Text.
This is a Test Mail regarding the display of Grantha Lipi. So, please
provide your feedback whether you are getting the display properly,
along with the browser that you are using, and where you are reading
the mail (Webpage/Inbox).
If possible, please attach a screenshot of your display.
So, I have to check whether Grantha gets displayed properly in the
browsers.
Please download Code 2000 Font: http://code2000.net/CODE2000.ZIP and
install it in your PC before proceeding to read this mail.
(You may have to increase the font size to read the characters
properly - Use Ctrl + + to increase the font size )
Test Text 1:
விநோத்³ ராஜந்
:-)
Test Text 2:
யே த⁴ர்மா ஹேதுப்ரப⁴வா
ஹேதுந் தேஷாம்² ததா²க³தோ ஹ்யவத³த் |
தேஷாம்² ச யோ நிரோத⁴
ஏவம்² வாதீ³ மஹாஸ்²ரமண: ||
V
You are using IE ?
This is the desired display (Google Chrome, with bigger font size )
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll301/vinodhrajan/Chrome_Bigger_font_size_grantha-1.jpg
V
On Jan 10, 5:28 pm, "N. Kannan" <navannak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No I can't read any Granta only squares!
>
> K.>
>
> 2010/1/10 வினோத் ராஜன் <vinodh.vin...@gmail.com>:
K.>
2010/1/10 வினோத் ராஜன் <vinodh...@gmail.com>:
K.>
I suppose, if we decide to write Grantha in Plain Text, people have to
switch to Google Chrome to view our mails :-)
V
On Jan 10, 5:44 pm, "N. Kannan" <navannak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW, if it is in unicode, should Gmail automatically display it? as it
> is fully Unicode combatible (independent of browser?)
>
> K.>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:43 PM, N. Kannan <navannak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > No.
> > I use Avant
> > I do not use Google Chrome. I'm comfortable with Avant.
>
> > K.>
>
> > 2010/1/10 வினோத் ராஜன் <vinodh.vin...@gmail.com>:
I am not sure, how many people will be comfortable with this Idea
:-/
:-\
:-|
V
On Jan 10, 5:47 pm, வினோத் ராஜன் <vinodh.vin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Code2000 has Grantha in the PUA. of Unicode. Many browsers have
> trouble displaying the PUA text. (including FF & IE )
>
>
Hi Guys,
my experience here in Paris is the following.
*1.*
when I first tried to read your message in Thunderbird 3.0,
my mail client,
I could only see rectangles giving the Hexadecimal codes.
*2.*
I then went to the MinTamil web site,
using Firefox 3.5.7, but there also I could only see rectangles
(I am a Windows XP [SP3] user)
*3.*
I decided to download Google Chrome in order to make a test
and it works fine: I can see the grantha letters.
My 16 year old son has been using Google Chrome for several months and
thinks it is great
and this shows that he is right :-)
we have a lot to learn from younger people!
Therefore,
I am now ready to follow your Sanskrit lessons
-- Jean-Luc
Dear Vinodh,
my experience here in Paris is the following.
*1.*
when I first tried to read your message in Thunderbird 3.0,
my mail client,
I could only see rectangles giving the Hexadecimal codes.
*2.*
I then went to the MinTamil web site,
using Firefox 3.5.7, but there also I could only see rectangles
(I am a Windows XP [SP3] user)
*3.*
I decided to download Google Chrome in order to make a test
and it works fine: I can see the grantha letters.
My 16 year old son has been using Google Chrome for several months and thinks it is great
and this shows that he is right :-)
we have a lot to learn from younger people!
Therefore,
I am now ready to follow your Sanskrit lessons
-- Jean-Luc
>>>>>
Vinoth:
I presume Google Chrome is not a browser but an add-on module that
functions with any browser, right? I should try it this evening.
However, when I tried Google Chrome on my daughters Laptop, no Tamil
was visible, in spite of having several Tamil Unicode fonts. Now
HariKi introduces other installations.
How exactly your Google Chrome should be set? to see Grantha? BTW, is
your grantha font is a unicode font?
Kannan
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//I presume Google Chrome is not a browser but an add-on module that
functions with any browser, right? I should try it this evening. //
Google Chrome is a Complete Web Browser :-)
//However, when I tried Google Chrome on my daughters Laptop, no
Tamil
was visible, in spite of having several Tamil Unicode fonts. Now
HariKi introduces other installations.
How exactly your Google Chrome should be set? to see Grantha? BTW, is
your grantha font is a unicode font?
//
Code2002 is not needed.
Actually, No configuration is needed. Just install the Code2000 (may
be restart the system) ;
You must be able to see the Text in Chrome...
The Grantha Font is Unicode - but its in PUA. Thats the who issue
here :-(
Try this:
Copy tht text in Notepad/wordpad/Msword/ or any other wordprocessor
and set the font to Code2000.
else..
I can attach the PDF version with every message... & may be the .txt
version too..
V
On Jan 11, 1:02 pm, "N. Kannan" <navannak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Hari Krishnan
>
It wont display in Firefox.
You have to switch to Chome ( I presume you guys have the font
installed )
V
On Jan 11, 1:05 pm, Geetha Sambasivam <geethasmbs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> லீனக்ஸ்னா தெரியுமோ?? நானும் நெருப்பு நரிதான் பயன்படுத்தறேன்.
> //Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221
> Firefox/3.5.7//
>
> ஒண்ணும் தெரியலை, கட்டம், கட்டமா இருக்கு. :(
>
> 2010/1/10 Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnih...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> > உபுண்டு லீனக்ஸ் பயர்பாக்ஸ் 3.5.7
> > அழகாகத்தெரிகிறது
> > :-))
> > திவாஜி
>
> > 2010/1/10 வினோத் ராஜன் <vinodh.vin...@gmail.com>
>
> >> Hi Guys,
>
> > --
> > My blogs: [all in Tamil]
> >http://anmikam4dumbme.blogspot.com/
> >http://chitirampesuthati.blogspot.com/photo blog now with english text
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>
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The Code 2000 font has been available for several years.
Therefore, there are several versions
and not all of them can contain the Grantha font in the PUA (private
user area)
When I made the test,
I first removed the existing Code2000 that was in my font directory,
installed the new version of Code2000,
and restarted the computer in order to have a fresh Code2000 font running.
that might be the solution for our friend Hari Krishnan
Cheers
-- Jean-Luc
Le 1/11/2010 9:02 AM, N. Kannan a �crit :
It was me who create that Portal for Noolaham digital library :-)
> Grantham word padhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/hayagreevaindic/
e-Grantamil has serious issues with glyph rendering due to problem
with Uniscribe Engine.
So, its highly probable that e-Grantamil font doesn't display the
ligatures and other stuff correctly in most of the PC's.
Code2000 is the only way to display proper Grantha
V
On Jan 11, 1:23 pm, O தோழன்:-} <gurukk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> கிரந்த எழுத்துருவை பழக எளிமையான மாற்று வழி
>
> 2010/1/11 வினோத் ராஜன் <vinodh.vin...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Geetha,
>
> > It wont display in Firefox.
>
> > You have to switch to Chome ( I presume you guys have the font
> > installed )
>
> >http://www.google.com/chrome
>
> > V
>
> > On Jan 11, 1:05 pm, Geetha Sambasivam <geethasmbs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > லீனக்ஸ்னா தெரியுமோ?? நானும் நெருப்பு நரிதான் பயன்படுத்தறேன்.
> > > //Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7)
> > Gecko/20091221
> > > Firefox/3.5.7//
>
> > > ஒண்ணும் தெரியலை, கட்டம், கட்டமா இருக்கு. :(
>
> > > 2010/1/10 Tirumurti Vasudevan <agnih...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > உபுண்டு லீனக்ஸ் பயர்பாக்ஸ் 3.5.7
> > > > அழகாகத்தெரிகிறது
> > > > :-))
> > > > திவாஜி
>
> > > > 2010/1/10 வினோத் ராஜன் <vinodh.vin...@gmail.com>
>
> > > >> Hi Guys,
>
> > > > --
> > > > My blogs: [all in Tamil]
> > > >http://anmikam4dumbme.blogspot.com/
> > > >http://chitirampesuthati.blogspot.com/photoblog now with english text
> > > > too!
> > > >http://kathaikathaiyaam.blogspot.com/
>
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> கல்யாண்ஜி
>
> "மண் பயனுற வேண்டும்"http://hariom.acnrep.com/
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லீனக்ஸ்னா தெரியுமோ?? நானும் நெருப்பு நரிதான் பயன்படுத்தறேன்.
[......]
Code2000 is the only way to display proper Grantha V [.....]
All this confusion is due to the lack of Unicode Standard for Grantha.
e-Grantamil hack-encoded Grantha in the Bengali Code Point Range.
Code2000 has Grantha in PUA.
Both of the implementation are font specific.
In the notepad screen, you have selected the font as Code2000, since e-
grantamil Grantha is technically Bengali, you can get it as Bengali
Text .
(OTOH if you have selected e-Grantamil as the font, the Code2000
characters wouldn't display properly. )
BTW I am rechristening the Tool, once I publish the updated version
with all Indic Scripts with Burmese/Khmer :-). As of now, I have added
all the important Indic Scripts (including Saurashtra) (Guess what, I
have even added Asokan Brahmi !! Courtesy: Xenotypetech. It is so
beautiful to see Prakrit in Brahmi !! ).
Once, I add Burmese/Khmer it will be released. The Documentation about
the scripts, is taking some time. :-(
V
On Jan 13, 4:08 pm, Jean-Luc Chevillard <jeanluc.chevill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/mintamil/browse_thread/thread/77899dfe...>
> Thoorihai print screen.JPG
> 272KViewDownload
>
> Notepad Print screen.JPG
> 364KViewDownload
>
> Thoorihai as PDF.pdf
> 266KViewDownload
தேவநாகரி லிபிக்கு பதில் கிரந்த லிபியை பயன்படுத்துவதான் உச்சிதம் !
நம் பாரம்பிய லிபியை நாம் கற்காமல் வேறு யார் கற்கப்போகிறார்.
V
On Jan 13, 11:59 pm, Chandra sekaran <plasticschan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
விஜயராகவன்
I have his fonts.
In Code2000, I can control the display of Samyuktaksharas.
Atleast in my system, e-Grantamil doesn't work properly in my system.
There are problebs with samyuktasharas As said earlier, it has issues
with Uniscribe..
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll301/vinodhrajan/e-Gratha_fault_display.jpg
V
Vinodh Rajan
On Jan 14, 11:32 am, Jean-Luc Chevillard
thanks to your explanations, I have now been able to make a longer sample.
I include it here in order to show what is now possible
thanks to your dedicated work.
The longer sample may also be useful for detecting bugs in the font.
Thanks a lot
-- Jean-Luc (Paris)
P.S. The next challenge is now to make some specimens, showing the nice
coexistence of Tamil script and Grantha script,
inside some Vaishnava commentaries, for instance on ஆண்டாள் 's poems.
Do you know whether there are some already available as digital texts
using Devanagari along with Tamil.
Le 1/14/2010 8:35 AM, வினோத் ராஜன் a écrit :
> Bingo !
>
> Vinodh Rajan
>
> On Jan 14, 11:32 am, Jean-Luc Chevillard
> <jeanluc.chevill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear வினோத்,
>>
>> if I understand you correctly,
>>
>>
[...]
The Problem is I have updated my uniscribe engine to enable Tibetan/
Sinhala/Burmese and other scripts. The e-Grantamil font seems to be
incompatible with the updated uniscribe engine.
e-Grantamil font seems to work only on Windows XP SP2 with the default
rendering engine.
--
There seems to be a error in the Text, one word in the Text reads:
ānjasasḥ
आन्जसस्ः
BTW Hold on your references to my tool for a week :-)
//P.S. The next challenge is now to make some specimens, showing the
nice
coexistence of Tamil script and Grantha script,
inside some Vaishnava commentaries, for instance on ஆண்டாள் 's
poems. //
There are some nice collection of Manipravala Texts from the Internet
Archive, which I have collected here:
//Do you know whether there are some already available as digital
texts
using Devanagari along with Tamil. //
Yeah. Actually there are many.. but I don't remember any immediate
reference now. Will post some.. once I trace them
V
On Jan 14, 4:41 pm, Jean-Luc Chevillard <jeanluc.chevill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear Vinodh,
>
> thanks to your explanations, I have now been able to make a longer sample.
>
> I include it here in order to show what is now possible
> thanks to your dedicated work.
>
> The longer sample may also be useful for detecting bugs in the font.
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> -- Jean-Luc (Paris)
>
> P.S. The next challenge is now to make some specimens, showing the nice
> coexistence of Tamil script and Grantha script,
> inside some Vaishnava commentaries, for instance on ஆண்டாள் 's poems.
> Do you know whether there are some already available as digital texts
> using Devanagari along with Tamil.
>
> Le 1/14/2010 8:35 AM, வினோத் ராஜன் a écrit :> Bingo !
>
> > Vinodh Rajan
>
> > On Jan 14, 11:32 am, Jean-Luc Chevillard
> > <jeanluc.chevill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Dear வினோத்,
>
> >> if I understand you correctly,
>
> [...]
>
> Vakyapadiya in Grantha (1-14).pdf
> 231KViewDownload
for the record,
my setting is Windows XP SP3
and I made the PDF file
using Google Chrome
and Adobe PDF Printer
Cheers!
-- Jean-Luc
P.S. thanks for signaling the error in the VP text used
Le 1/14/2010 1:03 PM, வினோத் ராஜன் a écrit :
> [....]
> e-Grantamil font seems to work only on Windows XP SP2 with the default
> rendering engine.
>
>
[....]
What is the version of your Uniscribe Engine ?
V
On Jan 14, 5:25 pm, Jean-Luc Chevillard <jeanluc.chevill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It is somewhere in the Control panel?
-- jl
In the file properties, you can find the Version
V
On Jan 14, 5:32 pm, Jean-Luc Chevillard <jeanluc.chevill...@gmail.com>
the file "usp10.dll"
in contained inside
the "C:\WINDOWS\system32" folder.
On the properties window,
I can read:
*********************************
File version: 1.420.2600.5512
Description: Uniscribe Unicode script processor
****************************************
In "Other version information", I can read:
*************************************
File version: 1.0420.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2105)
Internal name: Uniscribe
Language: English (United States)
Original file name: Uniscribe
Product name: Microsoft(R) Uniscribe Unicode script processor
Product version: 1.0420.2600.5512
********************************
Cheers
-- Jean-Luc
Le 1/14/2010 1:39 PM, வினோத் ராஜன் a écrit :
> Search for the file USP10.dll in the Windows folder.
>
> In the file properties, you can find the Version
>
> V
>
> On Jan 14, 5:32 pm, Jean-Luc Chevillard<jeanluc.chevill...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Where does one find that information?
>>
>> Is it somewhere in the Control panel?
My Version is : 1.601.5022.8
e-Grantamil seems to work only with the Old version of Uniscribe
V
On Jan 14, 5:52 pm, Jean-Luc Chevillard <jeanluc.chevill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear Vinodh,
>
> the file "usp10.dll"
> in contained inside
> the "C:\WINDOWS\system32" folder.
>
> On the properties window,
> I can read:
> *********************************
> Description: Uniscribe Unicode script processor
உங்களுக்கு தொந்தரவு கொடுக்கிறது
எனக்கு உத்தேசமேயில்லை!
நல்லதுக்குதான் செய்து வைக்கின்றோம்.
The reason this exchange was made publicly
is that it is a "TEST" message.
Messages labelled as "TEST" in the Subject line
are intended as good for the future of the community
but should be ignored by members who are not technically minded.
If they are public, they can be inspected on the spot
by external technical gurus,
who can make useful suggestions
[இது தமிழில் எப்படி சொல்கிறது எனக்கு தெரியவில்லையே!]
[நீங்கள் இதனை தமிழில் மொழிப்பெயர்த்துக் கொடுத்தால், எனக்கு உதவும்!]
இல்லாவிட்டால் இப்படி எழுதியிருக்க மாட்டேன்.
தயவு செய்து பொறுத்தருளுங்கள்
-- ழா(ன்) லூய்க் செவ்வியார்
[தமிழ் மாணாக்கன், பாரீசு]
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Le 1/14/2010 6:29 PM, Chandra sekaran a écrit :
> The least leaned man in this group has a small doubt. If this string has
> only a dialogue between Jean and Vinodh, Itis better they finish that and
> then start teaching Sanskrit for lay man like me.
> Till then, we anxiously open this link and then learn nothing. If this has
> to do with the programming and othr coding issues, none would have the
> expertise and patience to all these things for the sake of learning Sanskrit
> afresh. Unless it is easy to just type in english and get the translitertion
> in grantha without much of setting ups, I think this can be more an
> individual mail betten Jean and Vinidh. If I am wrong please correct me.
>
> Chandra
>
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Itis better they finish that and then start teaching Sanskrit for lay man like me.