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pol.science kid
Apr 9, 2012, 3:11:43 AM4/9/12
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Now i know plenty is being said about the situation in Syria.. but i
am really bothered because it seems we're stuck in a loop.... this is
reminding me of the time of American occupation in Iraq.. whenever you
switched the news on there would report of some bombing or explosion
in Baghdad or elsewhere, likewise now... you switch on the news
anytime there will definitely be something on the shelling in Homs or
somewhere else.. what is disturbing is that though the images of gore
reach us pretty quickly .. there is minimal news on the efforts by any
big states , through the UN or otherwise.. its only the one percent
that gets to the world i suppose..i guess you cant really imagine the
real situation there.. now i am not commenting on the politics ,
because i feel you can seriously talk and talk.. all that should be
left for later... What i dont understand is that there is no active
intervention even by the neighboring countries.. surely they cant
support Assad.!. i get most of the countries are perhaps dealing with
their own.. but you cant help but sense some apathy towards the whole
thing.Also its understandable that one might be wary of supporting
rebels or any ideology, but it is clear now that the Syrian government
is bent on exterminating half of its population..there is no reason to
withhold active intervention.. and yes i mean a military one..It is
clear as daylight Assad is killing his own people....is the security
council just a fancy name or what ..I dont know what the purpose of
this piece was.. And i feel it would be hypocritical to say much as i
have no idea of whats actually going on there.. but i am just
concerned and i am posting it here to share with you guys..cos well ..
thats what we do.. what do you think guys...
am really bothered because it seems we're stuck in a loop.... this is
reminding me of the time of American occupation in Iraq.. whenever you
switched the news on there would report of some bombing or explosion
in Baghdad or elsewhere, likewise now... you switch on the news
anytime there will definitely be something on the shelling in Homs or
somewhere else.. what is disturbing is that though the images of gore
reach us pretty quickly .. there is minimal news on the efforts by any
big states , through the UN or otherwise.. its only the one percent
that gets to the world i suppose..i guess you cant really imagine the
real situation there.. now i am not commenting on the politics ,
because i feel you can seriously talk and talk.. all that should be
left for later... What i dont understand is that there is no active
intervention even by the neighboring countries.. surely they cant
support Assad.!. i get most of the countries are perhaps dealing with
their own.. but you cant help but sense some apathy towards the whole
thing.Also its understandable that one might be wary of supporting
rebels or any ideology, but it is clear now that the Syrian government
is bent on exterminating half of its population..there is no reason to
withhold active intervention.. and yes i mean a military one..It is
clear as daylight Assad is killing his own people....is the security
council just a fancy name or what ..I dont know what the purpose of
this piece was.. And i feel it would be hypocritical to say much as i
have no idea of whats actually going on there.. but i am just
concerned and i am posting it here to share with you guys..cos well ..
thats what we do.. what do you think guys...
pol.science kid
Apr 9, 2012, 3:12:51 AM4/9/12
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Theres a tag line on my screen saying switch to new google groups ..
whats that about?
whats that about?
gabbydott
Apr 9, 2012, 5:21:20 AM4/9/12
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how your thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me as strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an issue of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of the salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side from the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share your concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me pick my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me think of an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ... need to stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
gabbydott
Apr 9, 2012, 5:22:02 AM4/9/12
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About unifying the services, I guess.
rigsy03
Apr 9, 2012, 9:06:31 AM4/9/12
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Maybe you want to review the Civil War figures of the USA, pol- France
and England toyed with supporting the South. The death toll is still
lower in Syria than the quell-kill of Assad's father in the '80s and
there are many other comparisons in history that are just as brutal.
You will probably wind up with the same pattern of behavior in Islamic
countries no matter who "wins". Instability in the area is an issue
because of the oil and Israel's security but will have repercussions
galore. Anyway, I recently found out that technically I am half Syrian
as my maternal grandparents left the Ottoman Empire prior to the re-
invention of Lebanon after WWI. Maybe that's what makes me so
mean. :-) Supposedly, my grandfather played cowboy with Teddy
Roosevelt in the Dakotas and went back to the area to choose a young
bride later on.
and England toyed with supporting the South. The death toll is still
lower in Syria than the quell-kill of Assad's father in the '80s and
there are many other comparisons in history that are just as brutal.
You will probably wind up with the same pattern of behavior in Islamic
countries no matter who "wins". Instability in the area is an issue
because of the oil and Israel's security but will have repercussions
galore. Anyway, I recently found out that technically I am half Syrian
as my maternal grandparents left the Ottoman Empire prior to the re-
invention of Lebanon after WWI. Maybe that's what makes me so
mean. :-) Supposedly, my grandfather played cowboy with Teddy
Roosevelt in the Dakotas and went back to the area to choose a young
bride later on.
Allan H
Apr 9, 2012, 9:19:44 AM4/9/12
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No idea.. I do not like google +
Allan
pol.science kid
Apr 9, 2012, 11:46:25 AM4/9/12
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Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i also wanted to know what others thought about it....--
EverComing
EverComing
pol.science kid
Apr 9, 2012, 11:54:08 AM4/9/12
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Rigs i aint saying this is the most bloodiest and brutal conflict there ever was... and yeah youre right about the vulnerability and instability in the middle east.. but my point was.. it seems in international relations.. it is mostly Each one for themselves... which is sorta depressing... seeing how far we've come... which makes you think .. you havent really come that far...and so cool youre half Syrian.. you must be very pretty.. ha ha.. All the Syrian folks ive ever met in the university are real lookers .. male or female.. but i guess most people from the middle east are..Ok this is very irrelevant...--
EverComing
EverComing
pol.science kid
Apr 9, 2012, 11:54:57 AM4/9/12
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Hey what Dog is this in the picture.. yours i mean... looks like a pup...--
EverComing
EverComing
gabbydott
Apr 10, 2012, 4:19:07 AM4/10/12
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I am sorry that I was replying to how you said it rather that what you said. In fact I was interested in just that, in how it works. - In order to escape the apathy of knowing it's always those with the economical and military power who do what they always do. - I did not succeed, I need to find another way to make peace with myself.
gabbydott
Apr 10, 2012, 5:05:52 AM4/10/12
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My problem with it is that it seems counter-intuitive to how I normally communicate. For instance, I want to tell you something on a semi-public level and I still go to your profile and find that I cannot contact you. I need to go back to my profile, say what I want to say, then define that I want to say this to you and then press the send button. Only then I realize that I am facebook and non-American socialized, which makes it twice as difficult to want to adapt to new realities. Not being able to find the edit button for my public statements to change to not public anymore made me ask what I was doing there. Another valley of frustrations which I am supposed to see as challenges...
rigsy03
Apr 10, 2012, 8:46:05 AM4/10/12
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That part of my identity was suppressed into a mother-myth of being
half Hungarian until my late twenties when the Lebanese connection was
suddenly stated- maybe after a military defeat of the day plus I never
met any grandparents and few relatives so I was sort of raised in a
bubble. Mother had a resemblance to Hedy Lamarr for a while- I suppose
that's where the Central European model came from. This isn't totally
unusual in America with our "melting pot" habit of reheating our
backgrounds like leftovers. Anyway, I am sure there are just as many
dull or ugly people in the Middle East as anywhere else in the world-
I think there are beautiful looking types from all races and nations.
But what is Beauty?//As for human progress, there are many areas of
forward motion- mostly mechanical or industrial and some social
expectations which are also ancient- but it really depends on luck-
where and when you are born, your education, etc. Plus violence is
still violence and might be even worse as it has become impersonal
through better weapons and technology. If our leaders and politicians
and those who are the economic driving forces of wars were forced unto
a battlefield with a sword and their wits/strength we would likely see
the end of the rotten business.
> EverComing- Hide quoted text -
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half Hungarian until my late twenties when the Lebanese connection was
suddenly stated- maybe after a military defeat of the day plus I never
met any grandparents and few relatives so I was sort of raised in a
bubble. Mother had a resemblance to Hedy Lamarr for a while- I suppose
that's where the Central European model came from. This isn't totally
unusual in America with our "melting pot" habit of reheating our
backgrounds like leftovers. Anyway, I am sure there are just as many
dull or ugly people in the Middle East as anywhere else in the world-
I think there are beautiful looking types from all races and nations.
But what is Beauty?//As for human progress, there are many areas of
forward motion- mostly mechanical or industrial and some social
expectations which are also ancient- but it really depends on luck-
where and when you are born, your education, etc. Plus violence is
still violence and might be even worse as it has become impersonal
through better weapons and technology. If our leaders and politicians
and those who are the economic driving forces of wars were forced unto
a battlefield with a sword and their wits/strength we would likely see
the end of the rotten business.
>
> - Show quoted text -
rigsy03
Apr 10, 2012, 8:58:44 AM4/10/12
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Yes...let's get serious about Syria. The entire area could be drawn
into a general war- like the centuries of European wars. Egypt and
Turkey might turn into enemies over the issue of sectarianism. The
overall geography is going to be further ruined for agriculture unless
you like spent uranium as part of your diet. Males will rebel against
female progress in underhanded ways like they do in the West. Gasoline
will cost $10. a gallon. Israel will declare itself the Switzerland of
the Middle East. And who knows what mischief awaits Africa, the East
and South America! Oops- my crystal ball clouded up- time for
breakfast.
On Apr 9, 10:46 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre
> saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use
> words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre
> right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem
> dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just
> trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at
> the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the
> conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i
> also wanted to know what others thought about it....
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how your
> > thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me as
> > strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an issue
> > of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of the
> > salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side from
> > the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share your
> > concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me pick
> > my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me think of
> > an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ... need to
> > stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
>
into a general war- like the centuries of European wars. Egypt and
Turkey might turn into enemies over the issue of sectarianism. The
overall geography is going to be further ruined for agriculture unless
you like spent uranium as part of your diet. Males will rebel against
female progress in underhanded ways like they do in the West. Gasoline
will cost $10. a gallon. Israel will declare itself the Switzerland of
the Middle East. And who knows what mischief awaits Africa, the East
and South America! Oops- my crystal ball clouded up- time for
breakfast.
On Apr 9, 10:46 am, "pol.science kid" <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre
> saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use
> words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre
> right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem
> dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just
> trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at
> the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the
> conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i
> also wanted to know what others thought about it....
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how your
> > thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me as
> > strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an issue
> > of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of the
> > salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side from
> > the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share your
> > concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me pick
> > my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me think of
> > an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ... need to
> > stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
>
Allan H
Apr 10, 2012, 10:34:39 AM4/10/12
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Rigsy it already cost over $10. per gallon.. it is 1.79 Euro per liter if you want to figure it out..
the greedy people want their money including the US no more reprieve.
Allan
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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
rigsy03
Apr 11, 2012, 7:59:52 AM4/11/12
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Thanks- I remembered those figures from Europe later on and $10. is
too low for the USA if cars are not drastically changed or replaced.
Not sure if our natural gas can power transport but it is quite
plentiful for many uses. If we could slaughter all those horses when
the automobile was contrived, we can think of some use for abandoned
cars.
Am immersed in the German invasion of Belgium- WWI.
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
too low for the USA if cars are not drastically changed or replaced.
Not sure if our natural gas can power transport but it is quite
plentiful for many uses. If we could slaughter all those horses when
the automobile was contrived, we can think of some use for abandoned
cars.
Am immersed in the German invasion of Belgium- WWI.
Eman Abdulla
Apr 12, 2012, 8:08:07 AM4/12/12
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I am familiar with the middle east being originally from there. The
Syrian uprising is a genie that came out of the bottle never to go
back there again. It is unwise for the Western governments to stay on
the side and let the Syrian people be butchered like that, not only
for humanitarian reasons, though these should be enough, but also for
strategic geopolitical goals. It is not in the best interest of the US
or anyone for that matter that Syria disintegrates as a state into
fighting factions that get more and more bloody and extreme as the
situation escalates. The faster the issue is resolved, the more intact
the country will stay and the more reasonable the new leaders will be.
Experts claim that the delicate positioning of Syria prevents
intervention, but it is that position that necessitates it as the
alternative scenario is total lack of control over several armed
factions in a lawless land.
Syrian uprising is a genie that came out of the bottle never to go
back there again. It is unwise for the Western governments to stay on
the side and let the Syrian people be butchered like that, not only
for humanitarian reasons, though these should be enough, but also for
strategic geopolitical goals. It is not in the best interest of the US
or anyone for that matter that Syria disintegrates as a state into
fighting factions that get more and more bloody and extreme as the
situation escalates. The faster the issue is resolved, the more intact
the country will stay and the more reasonable the new leaders will be.
Experts claim that the delicate positioning of Syria prevents
intervention, but it is that position that necessitates it as the
alternative scenario is total lack of control over several armed
factions in a lawless land.
pol.science kid
Apr 12, 2012, 10:33:11 AM4/12/12
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thats what i want to know gabbs, if you dont have power, what can you do? But i understand a little perhaps what youre saying, this attitude that promotes statuse quo , that those who do will always do.... thats why i want the neighbor countries to take part in the intervention... well.. at least we have a ceasefire now.. dont know where it'll go from there...--
EverComing
EverComing
Allan H
Apr 12, 2012, 2:06:17 PM4/12/12
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The middle east is a nightmare to say the least. looking over the migration of human population essentially the middle east is essentially the same segment of the human population, whether it is the second or third great migration is of little importance. BUT in my observation each migration has its own sense of morality all though there is common parts they are not the same view and definitely do not have a common morality.
Every time the west or 5th migration intervenes to aid in the affairs of the middle east it degenerates down to tribal factions, If you intervene you are condemned .. and it seems the west only intervenes is either for oil or in the Case of the Bush-Iraq pure ego.. How would you suggest eliminating the made man?
Allan
rigsy03
Apr 12, 2012, 10:41:30 PM4/12/12
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Welcome to the group. I think we are too clumsy to do anything well in
the Middle East- from the Crusades to the colonial mapmakers to the
Shah to Iraq, etc. I am pretty disgusted with the West altogether at
the moment but glad to read your comments.
On Apr 12, 7:08 am, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am familiar with the middle east being originally from there. The
> Syrian uprising is a genie that came out of the bottle never to go
> back there again. It is unwise for the Western governments to stay on
> the side and let the Syrian people be butchered like that, not only
> for humanitarian reasons, though these should be enough, but also for
> strategic geopolitical goals. It is not in the best interest of the US
> or anyone for that matter that Syria disintegrates as a state into
> fighting factions that get more and more bloody and extreme as the
> situation escalates. The faster the issue is resolved, the more intact
> the country will stay and the more reasonable the new leaders will be.
> Experts claim that the delicate positioning of Syria prevents
> intervention, but it is that position that necessitates it as the
> alternative scenario is total lack of control over several armed
> factions in a lawless land.
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
the Middle East- from the Crusades to the colonial mapmakers to the
Shah to Iraq, etc. I am pretty disgusted with the West altogether at
the moment but glad to read your comments.
On Apr 12, 7:08 am, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am familiar with the middle east being originally from there. The
> Syrian uprising is a genie that came out of the bottle never to go
> back there again. It is unwise for the Western governments to stay on
> the side and let the Syrian people be butchered like that, not only
> for humanitarian reasons, though these should be enough, but also for
> strategic geopolitical goals. It is not in the best interest of the US
> or anyone for that matter that Syria disintegrates as a state into
> fighting factions that get more and more bloody and extreme as the
> situation escalates. The faster the issue is resolved, the more intact
> the country will stay and the more reasonable the new leaders will be.
> Experts claim that the delicate positioning of Syria prevents
> intervention, but it is that position that necessitates it as the
> alternative scenario is total lack of control over several armed
> factions in a lawless land.
>
rigsy03
Apr 12, 2012, 10:45:41 PM4/12/12
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We are condemned and lose because we can come back home and leave the
debris. Even Turkey is hamstrung. How long is it taking the South to
recover from our Civil War?
On Apr 12, 1:06 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The middle east is a nightmare to say the least. looking over the migration
> of human population essentially the middle east is essentially the same
> segment of the human population, whether it is the second or third great
> migration is of little importance. BUT in my observation each migration has
> its own sense of morality all though there is common parts they are not the
> same view and definitely do not have a common morality.
>
> Every time the west or 5th migration intervenes to aid in the affairs of
> the middle east it degenerates down to tribal factions, If you intervene
> you are condemned .. and it seems the west only intervenes is either for
> oil or in the Case of the Bush-Iraq pure ego.. How would you suggest
> eliminating the made man?
> Allan
>
debris. Even Turkey is hamstrung. How long is it taking the South to
recover from our Civil War?
On Apr 12, 1:06 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The middle east is a nightmare to say the least. looking over the migration
> of human population essentially the middle east is essentially the same
> segment of the human population, whether it is the second or third great
> migration is of little importance. BUT in my observation each migration has
> its own sense of morality all though there is common parts they are not the
> same view and definitely do not have a common morality.
>
> Every time the west or 5th migration intervenes to aid in the affairs of
> the middle east it degenerates down to tribal factions, If you intervene
> you are condemned .. and it seems the west only intervenes is either for
> oil or in the Case of the Bush-Iraq pure ego.. How would you suggest
> eliminating the made man?
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > thats what i want to know gabbs, if you dont have power, what can you do?
> > But i understand a little perhaps what youre saying, this attitude that
> > promotes statuse quo , that those who do will always do.... thats why i
> > want the neighbor countries to take part in the intervention... well.. at
> > least we have a ceasefire now.. dont know where it'll go from there...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > thats what i want to know gabbs, if you dont have power, what can you do?
> > But i understand a little perhaps what youre saying, this attitude that
> > promotes statuse quo , that those who do will always do.... thats why i
> > want the neighbor countries to take part in the intervention... well.. at
> > least we have a ceasefire now.. dont know where it'll go from there...
>
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I am sorry that I was replying to how you said it rather that what you
> >> said. In fact I was interested in just that, in how it works. - In order to
> >> escape the apathy of knowing it's always those with the economical and
> >> military power who do what they always do. - I did not succeed, I need to
> >> find another way to make peace with myself.
>
>
> >> I am sorry that I was replying to how you said it rather that what you
> >> said. In fact I was interested in just that, in how it works. - In order to
> >> escape the apathy of knowing it's always those with the economical and
> >> military power who do what they always do. - I did not succeed, I need to
> >> find another way to make peace with myself.
>
> >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre
> >>> saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use
> >>> words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre
> >>> right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem
> >>> dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just
> >>> trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at
> >>> the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the
> >>> conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i
> >>> also wanted to know what others thought about it....
>
>
> >>> Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre
> >>> saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use
> >>> words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre
> >>> right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem
> >>> dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just
> >>> trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at
> >>> the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the
> >>> conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i
> >>> also wanted to know what others thought about it....
>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how
> >>>> your thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me
> >>>> as strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an
> >>>> issue of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of
> >>>> the salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side
> >>>> from the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share
> >>>> your concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me
> >>>> pick my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me
> >>>> think of an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ...
> >>>> need to stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
>
>
> >>>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how
> >>>> your thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me
> >>>> as strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an
> >>>> issue of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of
> >>>> the salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side
> >>>> from the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share
> >>>> your concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me
> >>>> pick my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me
> >>>> think of an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ...
> >>>> need to stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
>
pol.science kid
Apr 16, 2012, 4:03:07 AM4/16/12
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Now i cant help but think of the Military role in all this... if a
number of them defect... or if they refuse orders.. i am sure they
could neutralize the situation.. thats one thing the egyptians had..
support of the Army... i dont know how these people can stand shelling
civilians..its incomprehensible... Thsi calls for a new post all
together i suppose.. rise of the modern Army....
On Apr 12, 11:06 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The middle east is a nightmare to say the least. looking over the migration
> of human population essentially the middle east is essentially the same
> segment of the human population, whether it is the second or third great
> migration is of little importance. BUT in my observation each migration has
> its own sense of morality all though there is common parts they are not the
> same view and definitely do not have a common morality.
>
> Every time the west or 5th migration intervenes to aid in the affairs of
> the middle east it degenerates down to tribal factions, If you intervene
> you are condemned .. and it seems the west only intervenes is either for
> oil or in the Case of the Bush-Iraq pure ego.. How would you suggest
> eliminating the made man?
> Allan
>
number of them defect... or if they refuse orders.. i am sure they
could neutralize the situation.. thats one thing the egyptians had..
support of the Army... i dont know how these people can stand shelling
civilians..its incomprehensible... Thsi calls for a new post all
together i suppose.. rise of the modern Army....
On Apr 12, 11:06 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The middle east is a nightmare to say the least. looking over the migration
> of human population essentially the middle east is essentially the same
> segment of the human population, whether it is the second or third great
> migration is of little importance. BUT in my observation each migration has
> its own sense of morality all though there is common parts they are not the
> same view and definitely do not have a common morality.
>
> Every time the west or 5th migration intervenes to aid in the affairs of
> the middle east it degenerates down to tribal factions, If you intervene
> you are condemned .. and it seems the west only intervenes is either for
> oil or in the Case of the Bush-Iraq pure ego.. How would you suggest
> eliminating the made man?
> Allan
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > thats what i want to know gabbs, if you dont have power, what can you do?
> > But i understand a little perhaps what youre saying, this attitude that
> > promotes statuse quo , that those who do will always do.... thats why i
> > want the neighbor countries to take part in the intervention... well.. at
> > least we have a ceasefire now.. dont know where it'll go from there...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > thats what i want to know gabbs, if you dont have power, what can you do?
> > But i understand a little perhaps what youre saying, this attitude that
> > promotes statuse quo , that those who do will always do.... thats why i
> > want the neighbor countries to take part in the intervention... well.. at
> > least we have a ceasefire now.. dont know where it'll go from there...
>
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I am sorry that I was replying to how you said it rather that what you
> >> said. In fact I was interested in just that, in how it works. - In order to
> >> escape the apathy of knowing it's always those with the economical and
> >> military power who do what they always do. - I did not succeed, I need to
> >> find another way to make peace with myself.
>
>
> >> I am sorry that I was replying to how you said it rather that what you
> >> said. In fact I was interested in just that, in how it works. - In order to
> >> escape the apathy of knowing it's always those with the economical and
> >> military power who do what they always do. - I did not succeed, I need to
> >> find another way to make peace with myself.
>
> >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre
> >>> saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use
> >>> words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre
> >>> right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem
> >>> dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just
> >>> trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at
> >>> the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the
> >>> conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i
> >>> also wanted to know what others thought about it....
>
>
> >>> Ok... i thought i did... at one point.. but i dont get what youre
> >>> saying....sorry... although i must say i am in love with how you use
> >>> words....... anyways.. i am guessing you didnt like my style... youre
> >>> right.. i don blame you.. the end part does seem stupid... honesty can seem
> >>> dumb if not adjusted correctly... all i am trying to say is.. i am just
> >>> trying to figure out the attitude towards Syria.. of other nations.. and at
> >>> the same time... wondering of how things might end... or how prolonged the
> >>> conflict will be... and that it worries me if there is no intervention... i
> >>> also wanted to know what others thought about it....
>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how
> >>>> your thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me
> >>>> as strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an
> >>>> issue of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of
> >>>> the salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side
> >>>> from the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share
> >>>> your concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me
> >>>> pick my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me
> >>>> think of an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ...
> >>>> need to stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
>
>
> >>>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Poly. Let me explain how
> >>>> your thoughts come across here on my side. The first thing that strikes me
> >>>> as strange is the politically correct formulation of feelings about an
> >>>> issue of human interest. I see citizens arguing for the health benefits of
> >>>> the salad in their bowl while expanding in size over their fried meat side
> >>>> from the fondue pot. Which then makes me stumble over your desire to share
> >>>> your concern with us guys. Why don't you just say what you want and let me
> >>>> pick my salad pieces in the order I like them best? Your share makes me
> >>>> think of an invitation to divide and impera on over-fertilized ground ...
> >>>> need to stop here ... need to go out now while it's not raining yet.
>
rigsy03
Apr 16, 2012, 7:35:02 AM4/16/12
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The Egyptian military might not be so pleasant when they lose their
shirts.
Humans have been killing their brethren forever- it started with Cain
and Abel. I wonder how long we can call the shots with an empty
treasury.
shirts.
Humans have been killing their brethren forever- it started with Cain
and Abel. I wonder how long we can call the shots with an empty
treasury.
Don Johnson
Apr 16, 2012, 8:19:35 PM4/16/12
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Russia is fairly cozy with Syria's current leaders. Any military intervention by a Western power would be seen as provocative by Russia. Their presence on the security council blocks any official military action from the UN. Veto power. We have seen what 'unilateral' intervention by a Western country can do to it's world reputation. Your reference to Iraq
Don Johnson
Apr 16, 2012, 8:36:21 PM4/16/12
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
Russia is fairly cozy with Syria's current leaders. Any military intervention by a Western power would be seen as provocative by Russia. Their presence on the security council blocks any official military action from the UN. Veto power. We have seen what 'unilateral' intervention by a Western country can do to it's world reputation. Your reference to Iraq
Continued....
and the USA's invasion and occupation doesn't mention WHY this was done nor what led up to it. It might interest you to know that human rights groups had been whining for YEARS about Saddam's abuses. The UN, left to it's own ineffectual devices, will do nothing.
So, you ask why Western countries don't interfere. Look to Iraq and see your answer. If you ask why neighboring countries don't interfere it's because they expect the US or UN to to all the heavy lifting so they do nothing. Just like those countries surrounding Palestine that could help that country succeed and prosper by helping it rid itself of militant trouble makers like the PLO but instead enable them to greater mischief. They were very effective in raising money for so-called 'aid' that was used instead for terror purposes and to solidify their own power. It's a shame really. Israel could be a great neighbor if hate were put on the back burner and tolerance and respect given a chance.
I am not holding my breath. BTW, Iran has it's stinky little fingers in all these Mid-East pies as well. I'm not being racist, dammit I'm calling the Government stinky, not the Iranian people. Them I like well enough and was frankly disappointed Obama did NOTHING after that bogus election and crack-down on dissenters that followed. Nary a peep about that do we hear do we?
dj
Vam
Apr 17, 2012, 2:47:00 AM4/17/12
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Don...
1) The general soundness of your perspective is soooo welcome.
2) Your Obama bashing is of course expected !
1) The general soundness of your perspective is soooo welcome.
2) Your Obama bashing is of course expected !
Allan H
Apr 17, 2012, 3:38:09 AM4/17/12
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Don I am not saying Saddam was perfect,, but then no world leader is.. It was the desire for Bush to be a great war time leader that brought on the Iraq war not human rights.. The invasions have all been based on oil or other means to pay for the cost of war.. You talk about the Philistine people being the terrorists.. well how to you take into the account of Israel taking their land by force.. and in their war which they would have lost if the US had not stepped in supplying them with the needed ammunition to carry it on..
Putting it bluntly the US has in the past supported Israels terrorism as it has continued to this day.. If the US did not support Israels terrorism the world would a different more peaceful place.. face reality Don if there was no law in Texas region and your neighbor came over and stole your stuff you would be strapping on your guns and going to go get your property back...
You can not place blame on people for wanting to recover what is theirs and support those that stole the property in the first place
Allan
rigsy03
Apr 17, 2012, 7:25:22 AM4/17/12
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It's really not our sphere of influence. We can't even handle Mexico.
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Don Johnson
Apr 30, 2012, 6:03:23 AM4/30/12
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Hey Allan just noticed your comment here. I may be beating a dead horse but i couldn't let this go without at least a token response. Of course we would not have invaded just because of Saddam's human rights violations. Stability in the region that supplies much of the world's oil was, as you rightly point out, a major concern. It still is or at least should be. Our friends the Saudis were even worried. I'm very concerned we are packing up and leaving the party far, far too soon. Without US soldiers in the region Iraq is likely to fall under Iranian influence. Indeed, much of the 'insurgency' has been directed from Tehran.
I'm at a loss with your description of the Palestinian/Israeli situation. You sound like you think there was a 'war' between Palestine and Israel. I admit I'm no M.E. scholar but all the wars I know about involving Israel post partition plan involve several Arab countries against a fledgling Western nation. Any land grabbing not sanctioned by the UN was done after Israel was threatened by Syria, Jordan and Egypt during the 6 day war. Recent Israeli attempts at pacification by giving up some of these lands has been repaid with attacks. Of course there's more then one side to this story but hearing all the rhetoric from Arab countries in the last 30 years or so has me convinced peace has never been further away. Arabs don't want peace they want to annihilate Jews. The recent 'Arab Spring' and the forming of Muslim Brotherhood governments with peculiar new laws further demeaning already subjugated women just reinforces my poor opinion of the backward culture these folks have to endure. God help them all.
From my observations it seems clear the surrounding countries have no interest in a strong and independent Palestine. They want that land for themselves. If every Jew picked up and left today by tomorrow a half dozen Arab countries would be staking their claim and the so-called 'Palestinians' would remain the perpetual refugees that they are and be shoved off further into the desert. Darwin's Theory and all that.
Soooo glad to be appreciated Vam. I especially like it when my perspective is critiqued soundly. There is much we would probably agree on and I have been known to be wrong. Occasionally.
dj
Allan H
Apr 30, 2012, 8:24:43 AM4/30/12
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I understand the middle east is a mess.. (not in support of any side) Israel was provided land under a UN agreement which I can agree on the have a right to live as a nation.. but that agreement was not enough they had to attack the surrounding countries coincidentally the only reason they were able to do that twas the US intervened in a war they started.. From the actions of the Israel nation they are nothing but a group of thugs and trouble makers.. It is Israels aggressiveness that keeps the area in turmoil.. If you don't believe me Don look at the west bank That is totally a palistianian area except that the isreals run in and start building settlement claiming it is part of isreal..
Until isreal's nucular weapons are dactivated, then totally removed (they have proven that they can not be trusted on any level) and the nation is brought under control there will be no peace in the area.
My solution isolate the entire area and let them have fun killing each other,, with out backing or support to either side.. that is apparently what they like to do by demonstration.
Allan
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