Re: Mind's Eye Creation

[pol.science kid]

Pat explained to me once that there is little possibility of a parallel universe.. he said it would be waste of energy.. though i cant be exactly sure of what he said... I cant explain as well as him...  How would you explain time in parallel universes.. 

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:45 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is logical to think that at any given moment there are infinite no. of universes in parallel, and when an universe disintegrates it vanishes into nothingness along with the space in which it subsists. That is , space is not permanent but only part of the universe.

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EverComing

[archytas]

Just passing throughto check if any admin needed doing really RP.
Time is indeed a conundrum. What we experience as time seems to be
the component of space-time of Relativity, though we can conceptualize
infinity - in this conceptualization infinite universes more or less
make insistence that what you say is happening as all possibilities
will. This seems to require another time other than in the space-time
limited to a universe. Can we escape at some point in the future to a
'fresher' universe or remain in the big crunch big bang cycle of this
one keeping our knowledge?

On Apr 10, 4:54 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At this particular moment my universe is in a certain stage and
> infinite parallel universes are in their respective stages , to me
> time is a sense of elapsing but how you define time is not clear ,
> would you care to elucidate ?

[James Lynch]

Lately I've been thinking that our universe could be like the
cavitation bubble of a cosmic discharge or spasm. Quantum
indeterminacy (which normalizes and gets averaged out evidently) could
be like observing a QAM algorithm of our universe getting isolated
from the cosmic backscatter (perhaps of numerous universes). Or not..
An interesting observation of time is that when devising early GPS
they found that Earth time is different than satellite time, I think
due to gravity so they had to correct for the effect because GPS is
highly timing sensitive.

[rigsy03]

Bubbles pop. Perhaps that will be earth's fate. Earth has certainly
had to absorb fierce stresses from Nature, warfare, pollution, idiotic
development and so on.

Internal/personal time is another factor either because of personality
type, drug addictions or mental diseases. An example of the first
would be those who have internalized human history or carry a long
duffle bag of family history; also those content in their religious
dogmas who view the eternal as return or promise and the basis of real
life versus this transitory state. I suppose that's why there are
arguments for living in the present which impacts ethics however.

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[rigsy03]

Humans have created myths that show God/gods changing their minds. Who
knows if there are or aren't other worlds? Maybe earth is just a dry
run.

On Apr 10, 10:54 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At this particular moment my universe is in a certain stage and
> infinite parallel universes are in their respective stages , to me
> time is a sense of elapsing but how you define time is not clear ,
> would you care to elucidate ?
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[James Lynch]

Infinitesimal life sounds like corporeal existence, I agree it doesn't
make much sense to mix them. That is unless you regard eternity as a
placeholder concept and not an absolute, then you could take it in any
direction you like! "Free your mind." But beware, it stares back.

Meant playfully. ;-)

On 4/11/12, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Infinitesimal life in eternity makes no sense.

[gabbydott]

In the year of the Dragon it might be worth remembering how to overcome the Basilisk. That's how I make sense.

[Eman Abdulla]

I think in matters of the unknown, one should never say never. The
possibilities are all feasible in this intricately complex universe
that we still barely understand. I think the telltale of purpose and a
presumed eternity is the human consciousness that is capable of
questioning, appreciating, and longing for such an eternity. I also
believe that all information, our own nonetheless, never really get
lost but lie dormant somewhere in the many dimensions of existence.

[pol.science kid]

To be very short.. i dont understand where time past goes.... is it there? .... i cant .. i have tried to understand.. i am not able to... what is time lapsing into.. or what is lapsing?... leave out memory... its our memory that gives this linear impression.. how does someone without memory.. feel time? ... can we concieve of any being without memory 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:

At this particular moment my universe is in a certain stage and
infinite parallel universes are in their respective stages , to me
time is a sense of elapsing but how you define time is not clear ,
would you care to elucidate ?

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EverComing

[Allan H]

Actually the only time that exist is the present "The hand of time writes and haven written  moves on" 

There are people that feel time does not even exist.

Allan

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|_D Allan

Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

[James Lynch]

As an natural observation it is reasonable to devise cyclic measure
from periods between events, given that it has been highly reliable.
Where the measure hasn't we can just refine another dimension and
linear time is reliable again. Not sure if we've had a need
technically to pursue more than two dimensions, I'm sure Pat could
correct me on this and my terminology (which I throw about loosely). I
personally think of time as action rate of interacting energies of
varying density with more strongly determined pathways (of least
resistance) like lightning branches being squeezed through a
constriction in the present time and branching out at varying strength
into the past and future, mostly in balance. But leave it to me to
wrap up a completely subjective view in a cluster-flock of pseudo
technical ideas. :p

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[Molly]

timeless

On Apr 12, 2:33 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually the only time that exist is the present "The hand of time writes
> and haven written  moves on"
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> Allan
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> > memory that gives this linear impression.. how does someone without
> > memory.. feel time? ... can we concieve of any being without memory
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> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> infinite parallel universes are in their respective stages , to me
> >> time is a sense of elapsing but how you define time is not clear ,
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> >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:29 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com>

[archytas]

NASA has come up with an onboard clock to allow navigation 'without
phoning home'. The development of clocks is associated with
terrestrial navigation needs. Had the French had decent ones towards
the end of the 18th century they would not have turned left too soon
and landed in Ireland and English may have become a very minor
language. I rather regret our lack of decent cafe society. The
enormity of creation is - well enormous. My own sense of it isn't
very technical. I suspect focus on origin may be a mistake and the
quest may concern what we can become.

[rigsy03]

As herders and planters we didn't need clocks which started as sun
dials, water cloocks, hour glasses/sand, etc. Time has different
meanings to the very young and the old- to the emotions- to the ill-
to lovers, etc.- so all this measuring has more to do with commerce.

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[rigsy03]

You still need to start from somewhere to become.

On Apr 12, 7:13 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Allan H]

Are you saying the pubs don't make up for the cafe??

I know what you mean..  Love France

Was there driving once and the Police were doing a sobriety check  lol  The Gendarmerie clicked his heels together saluted the citizen then shoved the breath test to him to blow up the balloon.. I was excitedly waiting my turn only to be waved through.

Allan

[Vam]

On Apr 13, 7:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You still need to start from somewhere to become.

How about, wherever and howsoever one might be !

[Vam]

How about NOW...

[rigsy03]

The French did fairly well except England had a better navy- I think
Louis XIV concentrated more on armies. There is more of a connection
of France and Scotland- though not so much in cuisine except by
imitation of the French. Frederick sent spies while France sent cooks,
otherwise. If you had cafes, what would you offer that could compare
to French cuisine? Yes- my paternal grandmother came from France-
maybe after the Panic of 1873- and my grandfather maybe part of the
the Highlander-Jacobites who were pushed off their lands by
sheepherders and who mostly went to America or Canada.//Maybe you are
talking about Harrison's spring clock that was needed for navigation?//
Obviously I disagree about origin as a factor in development and think
it signals a loss of positives- part of the breakdown of tribe and
family to spur diversity. I am not talking about ancestor worship,
however.

On Apr 12, 7:13 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:

[rigsy03]

Well, some have no choice except to start from scratch. :-)

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[rigsy03]

Science can't tolerate such notions so it's left to religion and the
arts to deal with time and space as they wish. Individuals might
choose from one or the other or both. Dreams and the sub-conscious are
beyond the constraints of time and space.

On Apr 14, 5:09 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It can be assumed that time might elapse at different rates in
> different universes and also all laws might differ from universe to
> universe , we might have conical heavenly bodies in one universe and
> cylindrical in another. Laws of motion and all other laws might differ
> because laws have been made by the Spirit , God or Nature and as such
> different laws may hold good in different universes.

[gabbydott]

Hey, that's a cool answer to where the you starts! I don't start there.

[Vam]

So I know now, you're not cool !

[James Lynch]

Some like it hot? I had to.

Really though, how much better would we be if we took what's on offer
as a reference model: not really suitable for production in efficiency
or effectiveness. It makes me think there is a fine line between
zealousness and enthusiasm, they can subsume eachother.

[Lee Douglas]

Time is a measurement.  So it makes no sense to ask to where does it pass.  You might as well ask what is at the end of an inch?

Matter decays, engery disipates, power lessens and time is the measurement of the rate of such decay.

[andrew vecsey]

Time is a man-made concept that is used to measure the motions of forces and masses thru space. Like a ruler that measures length in space, regular and stable motions of matter like the vibrations of atoms or the setting of suns allow man to tag matter with a clock for describing how fast matter moves thru space. The timing is done by counting numbers that increment at a steady and constant rate by one. The number being counted is called the present while all the numbers already counted are called the past. Only the present and the past exist. Numbers not yet counted are called the future and don`t have any existence or reality until they are counted. The present for most humans last only about 1 second, the time needed to count a number. With this counting called time, man can measure the motions of energy and mass and determine their speed, where they are, where they were and predict where they will be.

Taken from a part of  All about space, time, energy, matter and gravity and how the Higgs Boson imparts mass to matter. Matter moves thru space like a bubble moves thru water. See YouTube video "Space,Time, Energy, Matter and Gravity Simplified". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHnwiVqhHI:

[Allan H]

Interesting Andrew you can not concive of reality with out time.
Such a limiting point of view.
Allan

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[Lee Douglas]

Is time a man made concept?   Or is it rather a fundmental part of the universe that hs been discovered by man?

 

Which is to ask, did man make time or do we just know that it is there? 

[Lee Douglas]

Why limiting?  I would have thought that the opposite would be true?

 

 

Imagining a reality without time, there would be no movement, now I would call that limiting!