Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury
My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment-
otherwise fisticuffs and tears.
Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds. Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are aware of. Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your perception. Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent insight with a critical eye.
The elephant in the room can be known for what it is. But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation, and hell of a lot of going through.
We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts and the art of going through !
On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment- > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.
Facts are an important fact-or of consensus reality which is based solely on mind (temporal). There is more to truth than that, but relative truth can be found with facts, including consensus truths. But they are relative.
On Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
> Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds. > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are aware > of. > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
> Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your perception. > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent insight > with a critical eye.
> The elephant in the room can be known for what it is. > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation, > and hell of a lot of going through.
> We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts > and the art of going through !
> On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>> Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who >> presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were >> content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury >> My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a >> political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not >> getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family >> history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic >> opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment- >> otherwise fisticuffs and tears.
Ahhh the ongoing, everlasting, nonstoping quest for truth.
I was having a go at a great frined of mine just the other day9coz you can with greate freinds). I was berating him for his constant whinging about the olympics being here, and yes of course he is not into sport so I kinda get it, but he was being all indgnant thatr his harsh words on Twitter were bringing him back harsh words in return.
I told him that like it or loath it the Olympics is a world wide event and it IS (capital S coz it's 'the truth') a big deal for us native Londoners to have it here.
He said something along the lines of So I have to pretend to lie it then? I told him of course not, but you can't pretend to not understand how antagonistic words from the 'we don't like it camp' may bring the same back from the 'we love it camp.'
His reply was a rather terse one telling how he doesn't like to be called wrong, mine was equaly as terse mentioning the S word (yes subjective) and telling him to man up and don't let others words get to him, ohh and of course you're wrong mate.
His next reply..... hehe he didn't bother!
I guess the point is we will not find out who is correct about the benifits to the UK and London from the Olympics untill long after and so I would say that most facts cannot be substantiated untill time has shown them for what they are.
On Sunday, 29 July 2012 13:21:07 UTC+1, Molly wrote: > Facts are an important fact-or of consensus reality which is based solely > on mind (temporal). There is more to truth than that, but relative truth > can be found with facts, including consensus truths. But they are relative.
> On Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
>> Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds. >> Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are >> aware of. >> Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
>> Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your >> perception. >> Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire >> and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent >> insight >> with a critical eye.
>> The elephant in the room can be known for what it is. >> But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation, >> and hell of a lot of going through.
>> We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts >> and the art of going through !
>> On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>> Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who >>> presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were >>> content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury >>> My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a >>> political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not >>> getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family >>> history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic >>> opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment- >>> otherwise fisticuffs and tears.
Ah, I know that problem. Send your friend over to Berlin and Ill give
him a 20-years-after guided tour.
You see, Im a native West-Berliner and when The Wall came down 23
years ago it was a world event also. And it forced a lot of need for
adaption on us too. The good idea behind it won. The necessary
whinging is being processed in new fields of expertise now. :)
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahhh the ongoing, everlasting, nonstoping quest for truth.
> I was having a go at a great frined of mine just the other day9coz you can
> with greate freinds). I was berating him for his constant whinging about
> the olympics being here, and yes of course he is not into sport so I kinda
> get it, but he was being all indgnant thatr his harsh words on Twitter were
> bringing him back harsh words in return.
> I told him that like it or loath it the Olympics is a world wide event and
> it IS (capital S coz it's 'the truth') a big deal for us native Londoners to
> have it here.
> He said something along the lines of So I have to pretend to lie it then?
> I told him of course not, but you can't pretend to not understand how
> antagonistic words from the 'we don't like it camp' may bring the same back
> from the 'we love it camp.'
> His reply was a rather terse one telling how he doesn't like to be called
> wrong, mine was equaly as terse mentioning the S word (yes subjective) and
> telling him to man up and don't let others words get to him, ohh and of
> course you're wrong mate.
> His next reply..... hehe he didn't bother!
> I guess the point is we will not find out who is correct about the benifits
> to the UK and London from the Olympics untill long after and so I would say
> that most facts cannot be substantiated untill time has shown them for what
> they are.
> On Sunday, 29 July 2012 13:21:07 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>> Facts are an important fact-or of consensus reality which is based solely
>> on mind (temporal). There is more to truth than that, but relative truth
>> can be found with facts, including consensus truths. But they are relative.
>> On Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
>>> Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
>>> Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
>>> aware of.
>>> Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
>>> Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
>>> perception.
>>> Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
>>> and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
>>> insight
>>> with a critical eye.
>>> The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
>>> But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
>>> and hell of a lot of going through.
>>> We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
>>> and the art of going through !
>>> On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>>> Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
>>>> presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
>>>> content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury
>>>> My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
>>>> political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
>>>> getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
>>>> history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
>>>> opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment-
>>>> otherwise fisticuffs and tears.
I think the Olympics are a great idea and the athletes are wonderful-
even the non-medal winners. Don't you gasp at their prowess and
beautiful bodies? I do- how fantastic humans can be!
Not much of a fan of the commercial aspect, however, and "all that
jazz"- or the gossip, sniping,etc.
One of the best ideas the human race has come up with- in my opinion.
On Jul 30, 10:39 am, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahhh the ongoing, everlasting, nonstoping quest for truth.
> I was having a go at a great frined of mine just the other day9coz you can
> with greate freinds). I was berating him for his constant whinging about
> the olympics being here, and yes of course he is not into sport so I kinda
> get it, but he was being all indgnant thatr his harsh words on Twitter were
> bringing him back harsh words in return.
> I told him that like it or loath it the Olympics is a world wide event and
> it IS (capital S coz it's 'the truth') a big deal for us native Londoners
> to have it here.
> He said something along the lines of So I have to pretend to lie it then?
> I told him of course not, but you can't pretend to not understand how
> antagonistic words from the 'we don't like it camp' may bring the same back
> from the 'we love it camp.'
> His reply was a rather terse one telling how he doesn't like to be called
> wrong, mine was equaly as terse mentioning the S word (yes subjective) and
> telling him to man up and don't let others words get to him, ohh and of
> course you're wrong mate.
> His next reply..... hehe he didn't bother!
> I guess the point is we will not find out who is correct about the benifits
> to the UK and London from the Olympics untill long after and so I would say
> that most facts cannot be substantiated untill time has shown them for what
> they are.
> On Sunday, 29 July 2012 13:21:07 UTC+1, Molly wrote:
> > Facts are an important fact-or of consensus reality which is based solely
> > on mind (temporal). There is more to truth than that, but relative truth
> > can be found with facts, including consensus truths. But they are relative.
> > On Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, Vam wrote:
> >> Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> >> Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
> >> aware of.
> >> Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
> >> Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> >> perception.
> >> Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> >> and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
> >> insight
> >> with a critical eye.
> >> The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> >> But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> >> and hell of a lot of going through.
> >> We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> >> and the art of going through !
> >> On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> >>> Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> >>> presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> >>> content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury
> >>> My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> >>> political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> >>> getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> >>> history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> >>> opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment-
> >>> otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
some kind of acceptance.
On Jul 28, 10:10 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are aware
> of.
> Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
> Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your perception.
> Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent insight
> with a critical eye.
> The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> and hell of a lot of going through.
> We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> and the art of going through !
> On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury
> > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment-
> > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
On Jul 31, 1:19 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
> it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
> can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
> the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
> some kind of acceptance.
> On Jul 28, 10:10 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are aware
> > of.
> > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
> > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your perception.
> > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent insight
> > with a critical eye.
> > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > and the art of going through !
> > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury
> > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment-
> > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
delivering their soundbites.
Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
is silenced.
Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
> Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
> by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
> were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
> bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> On Jul 31, 1:19 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
> > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
> > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
> > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
> > some kind of acceptance.
> > On Jul 28, 10:10 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are aware
> > > of.
> > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and conviction.
> > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your perception.
> > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent insight
> > > with a critical eye.
> > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > > and the art of going through !
> > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until "Bury
> > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's entertainment-
> > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
will we get great lines like...
"The United States of Amnesia"
Allan
On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> delivering their soundbites.
> Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> is silenced.
> Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
> > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
> > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
> > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
> > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> > On Jul 31, 1:19 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
> > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
> > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
> > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
> > > some kind of acceptance.
> > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
> aware
> > > > of.
> > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> conviction.
> > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> perception.
> > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
> insight
> > > > with a critical eye.
> > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > > > and the art of going through !
> > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until
> "Bury
> > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> entertainment-
> > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
> will we get great lines like...
> "The United States of Amnesia"
> Allan
> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> > delivering their soundbites.
> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> > is silenced.
> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
> > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
> > > > some kind of acceptance.
> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
> > aware
> > > > > of.
> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> > conviction.
> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> > perception.
> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
> > insight
> > > > > with a critical eye.
> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > > > > and the art of going through !
> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until
> > "Bury
> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> > entertainment-
> > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
I read his novels- 7 or 8 of them- but did agree with an essay re
Middle East so I will "fill in" with his memoir and some essays- the
latter seems to be getting the highest praise. I envied his era as the
50's were a terrible bore to grow up in.
On Aug 1, 8:25 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
> will we get great lines like...
> "The United States of Amnesia"
> Allan
> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> > delivering their soundbites.
> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> > is silenced.
> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
> > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
> > > > some kind of acceptance.
> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
> > aware
> > > > > of.
> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> > conviction.
> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> > perception.
> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
> > insight
> > > > > with a critical eye.
> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > > > > and the art of going through !
> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until
> > "Bury
> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> > entertainment-
> > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Had a look at a review and nearly dozed off myself! The next might be
senior sex/desire from the female point of view- perhaps. I think
Gloria Vanderbilt made an attempt.
I am cucumbered. I hate to waste food so next thing will be to rescue
what's left. Will make some falafel for the yogurt/cuke.
On Aug 1, 1:39 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't read 50 shades rigs. Had a quick look at a documentary on
> it. I fell asleep.
> On Aug 1, 2:25 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
> > will we get great lines like...
> > "The United States of Amnesia"
> > Allan
> > On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> > > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> > > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> > > delivering their soundbites.
> > > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> > > is silenced.
> > > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> > > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> > > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> > > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> > > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> > > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> > > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> > > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
> > > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> > > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
> > > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
> > > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
> > > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> > > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> > > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
> > > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
> > > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
> > > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
> > > > > some kind of acceptance.
> > > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> > > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
> > > aware
> > > > > > of.
> > > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> > > conviction.
> > > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> > > perception.
> > > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> > > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
> > > insight
> > > > > > with a critical eye.
> > > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > > > > > and the art of going through !
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until
> > > "Bury
> > > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> > > entertainment-
> > > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
> will we get great lines like...
> "The United States of Amnesia"
> Allan
> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> > delivering their soundbites.
> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> > is silenced.
> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
> > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
> > > > some kind of acceptance.
> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
> > aware
> > > > > of.
> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> > conviction.
> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> > perception.
> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
> > insight
> > > > > with a critical eye.
> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > > > > and the art of going through !
> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until
> > "Bury
> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> > entertainment-
> > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> On Aug 1, 8:25 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
>> will we get great lines like...
>> "The United States of Amnesia"
>> Allan
>> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
>> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
>> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
>> > delivering their soundbites.
>> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
>> > is silenced.
>> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
>> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
>> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
>> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
>> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
>> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
>> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
>> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
>> > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
>> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
>> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
>> > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
>> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
>> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
>> > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
>> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
>> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
>> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
>> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
>> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
>> > > > some kind of acceptance.
>> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
>> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
>> > aware
>> > > > > of.
>> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
>> > conviction.
>> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
>> > perception.
>> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
>> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
>> > insight
>> > > > > with a critical eye.
>> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
>> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
>> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
>> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
>> > > > > and the art of going through !
>> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
>> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
>> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until
>> > "Bury
>> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
>> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
>> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
>> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
>> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
>> > entertainment-
>> > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
>> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> > On Aug 1, 8:25 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
> >> will we get great lines like...
> >> "The United States of Amnesia"
> >> Allan
> >> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> >> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> >> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> >> > delivering their soundbites.
> >> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> >> > is silenced.
> >> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> >> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> >> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> >> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> >> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> >> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> >> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> >> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> >> > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> >> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down
> the
> >> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> >> > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and
> arriving
> >> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least
> we
> >> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form
> of
> >> > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> >> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> >> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try
> to. And
> >> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The
> best I
> >> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage-
> weighing
> >> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring
> me
> >> > > > some kind of acceptance.
> >> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's
> minds.
> >> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts
> you are
> >> > aware
> >> > > > > of.
> >> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> >> > conviction.
> >> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> >> > perception.
> >> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to
> acquire
> >> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a
> consistent
> >> > insight
> >> > > > > with a critical eye.
> >> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> >> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> >> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> >> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> >> > > > > and the art of going through !
> >> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> >> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> >> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many
> were
> >> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger)
> until
> >> > "Bury
> >> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts
> have a
> >> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are
> not
> >> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash
> family
> >> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the
> Olympic
> >> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> >> > entertainment-
> >> > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Some are excellent- for instance, Vidal's "Julian" and some of the
little known gossipy facts he used in his series on USA history. What
makes you think non-fiction history is honest? You are always going to
deal with bias, motive from any author, aren't you? Few authors/
reporters live long enough to trace the consequences of the subject so
they are only as reliable until the next approach/unearthing of
documents, etc. In the Middle East schools have been noted in their
slick use of razors to delete maps, facts from history so as to
control information, for instance. Didn't your parents tell you not to
believe everything you read in the newspapers? And what makes some
think all the political babble in ads and media is "honest"?
On Aug 3, 5:26 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 1, 8:25 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
> > >> will we get great lines like...
> > >> "The United States of Amnesia"
> > >> Allan
> > >> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> > >> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> > >> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> > >> > delivering their soundbites.
> > >> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> > >> > is silenced.
> > >> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> > >> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> > >> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> > >> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> > >> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> > >> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> > >> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> > >> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > >> > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > >> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down
> > the
> > >> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> > >> > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and
> > arriving
> > >> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least
> > we
> > >> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form
> > of
> > >> > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> > >> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> > >> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try
> > to. And
> > >> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The
> > best I
> > >> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage-
> > weighing
> > >> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring
> > me
> > >> > > > some kind of acceptance.
> > >> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's
> > minds.
> > >> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts
> > you are
> > >> > aware
> > >> > > > > of.
> > >> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> > >> > conviction.
> > >> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> > >> > perception.
> > >> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to
> > acquire
> > >> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a
> > consistent
> > >> > insight
> > >> > > > > with a critical eye.
> > >> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > >> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > >> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > >> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > >> > > > > and the art of going through !
> > >> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > >> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > >> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many
> > were
> > >> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger)
> > until
> > >> > "Bury
> > >> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts
> > have a
> > >> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are
> > not
> > >> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash
> > family
> > >> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the
> > Olympic
> > >> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> > >> > entertainment-
> > >> > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> > >> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> > >> > > - Show quoted text -
> > >> > --- Hide quoted text -
> > >> - Show quoted text -
> > > --
> > --
> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
Thought I had chickpeas but didn't and it was too hot to go out so I
made a Moroccan chicken dish which also uses yogurt to cool down the
spices.//Anyway I doubt if many "nice" girls,wives, mothers,
grandmothers are going to write a Henry Miller topic/tropic but some
have tried. It comes back to a basic fact that there are different
moral standards for men and women-still- and probably always will be.
It probably goes back to the male forced/needing to separate from his
mother in childhood. Funny how some powerful politicians were overly
attached to their mother's opinion like FDR and Churchill- and others.
On Aug 2, 9:51 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Had a look at a review and nearly dozed off myself! The next might be
> senior sex/desire from the female point of view- perhaps. I think
> Gloria Vanderbilt made an attempt.
> I am cucumbered. I hate to waste food so next thing will be to rescue
> what's left. Will make some falafel for the yogurt/cuke.
> On Aug 1, 1:39 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I haven't read 50 shades rigs. Had a quick look at a documentary on
> > it. I fell asleep.
> > On Aug 1, 2:25 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where else
> > > will we get great lines like...
> > > "The United States of Amnesia"
> > > Allan
> > > On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> > > > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> > > > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> > > > delivering their soundbites.
> > > > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> > > > is silenced.
> > > > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> > > > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> > > > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> > > > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> > > > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> > > > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> > > > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> > > > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > > > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > > > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down the
> > > > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> > > > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and arriving
> > > > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At least we
> > > > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form of
> > > > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> > > > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> > > > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try to. And
> > > > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The best I
> > > > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage- weighing
> > > > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring me
> > > > > > some kind of acceptance.
> > > > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's minds.
> > > > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts you are
> > > > aware
> > > > > > > of.
> > > > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> > > > conviction.
> > > > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> > > > perception.
> > > > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to acquire
> > > > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a consistent
> > > > insight
> > > > > > > with a critical eye.
> > > > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > > > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > > > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > > > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > > > > > > and the art of going through !
> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > > > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many were
> > > > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger) until
> > > > "Bury
> > > > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts have a
> > > > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are not
> > > > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash family
> > > > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the Olympic
> > > > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> > > > entertainment-
> > > > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
It is all written by the victors. Who said I believe any of books of the
historical vintage... I have read to much of what has turned out to be lies
rather than the simple truth.
Allan
On Aug 3, 2012 1:40 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Some are excellent- for instance, Vidal's "Julian" and some of the
> little known gossipy facts he used in his series on USA history. What
> makes you think non-fiction history is honest? You are always going to
> deal with bias, motive from any author, aren't you? Few authors/
> reporters live long enough to trace the consequences of the subject so
> they are only as reliable until the next approach/unearthing of
> documents, etc. In the Middle East schools have been noted in their
> slick use of razors to delete maps, facts from history so as to
> control information, for instance. Didn't your parents tell you not to
> believe everything you read in the newspapers? And what makes some
> think all the political babble in ads and media is "honest"?
> On Aug 3, 5:26 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > lol Gabby Personally historical novels have never really been to my
> > taste..
> > Allan
> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:16 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Reads like a good read for Vam.
> > > > On Aug 1, 8:25 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where
> else
> > > >> will we get great lines like...
> > > >> "The United States of Amnesia"
> > > >> Allan
> > > >> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> > > >> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping
> track
> > > >> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> > > >> > delivering their soundbites.
> > > >> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to
> history
> > > >> > is silenced.
> > > >> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
> > > >> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a
> cold
> > > >> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
> > > >> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> > > >> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> > > >> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
> > > >> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating
> history
> > > >> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > > >> > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > > >> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting
> down
> > > the
> > > >> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to
> leave
> > > >> > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and
> > > arriving
> > > >> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At
> least
> > > we
> > > >> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some
> form
> > > of
> > > >> > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the
> prone
> > > >> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
> > > >> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try
> > > to. And
> > > >> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts.
> The
> > > best I
> > > >> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage-
> > > weighing
> > > >> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and
> bring
> > > me
> > > >> > > > some kind of acceptance.
> > > >> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's
> > > minds.
> > > >> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts
> > > you are
> > > >> > aware
> > > >> > > > > of.
> > > >> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> > > >> > conviction.
> > > >> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of
> your
> > > >> > perception.
> > > >> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on
> to
> > > acquire
> > > >> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a
> > > consistent
> > > >> > insight
> > > >> > > > > with a critical eye.
> > > >> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > > >> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > > >> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
> > > >> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > > >> > > > > and the art of going through !
> > > >> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts.
> Well, who
> > > >> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored?
> Many
> > > were
> > > >> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger)
> > > until
> > > >> > "Bury
> > > >> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When
> facts
> > > have a
> > > >> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you
> are
> > > not
> > > >> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who
> whitewash
> > > family
> > > >> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the
> > > Olympic
> > > >> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> > > >> > entertainment-
> > > >> > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
> > > >> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> > > >> > > - Show quoted text -
> > > >> > --- Hide quoted text -
> > > >> - Show quoted text -
> > > > --
> > > --
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
When I was out sailing Rigsy I learned from a power greater than myself
that I needed to take everything with a grain of salt.. that is why we
are provided with whole oceans full of it.
Allan
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is all written by the victors. Who said I believe any of books of the
> historical vintage... I have read to much of what has turned out to be lies
> rather than the simple truth.
> Allan
> On Aug 3, 2012 1:40 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Some are excellent- for instance, Vidal's "Julian" and some of the
>> little known gossipy facts he used in his series on USA history. What
>> makes you think non-fiction history is honest? You are always going to
>> deal with bias, motive from any author, aren't you? Few authors/
>> reporters live long enough to trace the consequences of the subject so
>> they are only as reliable until the next approach/unearthing of
>> documents, etc. In the Middle East schools have been noted in their
>> slick use of razors to delete maps, facts from history so as to
>> control information, for instance. Didn't your parents tell you not to
>> believe everything you read in the newspapers? And what makes some
>> think all the political babble in ads and media is "honest"?
>> On Aug 3, 5:26 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > lol Gabby Personally historical novels have never really been to
>> my
>> > taste..
>> > Allan
>> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:16 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Reads like a good read for Vam.
>> > > > On Aug 1, 8:25 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,, where
>> else
>> > > >> will we get great lines like...
>> > > >> "The United States of Amnesia"
>> > > >> Allan
>> > > >> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but
>> one
>> > > >> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping
>> track
>> > > >> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are
>> pathetic
>> > > >> > delivering their soundbites.
>> > > >> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to
>> history
>> > > >> > is silenced.
>> > > >> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
>> > > >> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and
>> a cold
>> > > >> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
>> > > >> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
>> > > >> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
>> > > >> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
>> > > >> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating
>> history
>> > > >> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
>> > > >> > > Olympics. A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
>> > > >> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting
>> down
>> > > the
>> > > >> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to
>> leave
>> > > >> > > behind at such moments. The Queen leaping out of a plane and
>> > > arriving
>> > > >> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy. At
>> least
>> > > we
>> > > >> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some
>> form
>> > > of
>> > > >> > > bondage sex. Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the
>> prone
>> > > >> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
>> > > >> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or
>> try
>> > > to. And
>> > > >> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts.
>> The
>> > > best I
>> > > >> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage-
>> > > weighing
>> > > >> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and
>> bring
>> > > me
>> > > >> > > > some kind of acceptance.
>> > > >> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's
>> > > minds.
>> > > >> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including
>> facts
>> > > you are
>> > > >> > aware
>> > > >> > > > > of.
>> > > >> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight
>> and
>> > > >> > conviction.
>> > > >> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of
>> your
>> > > >> > perception.
>> > > >> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on
>> to
>> > > acquire
>> > > >> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a
>> > > consistent
>> > > >> > insight
>> > > >> > > > > with a critical eye.
>> > > >> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
>> > > >> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
>> > > >> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
>> > > >> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
>> > > >> > > > > and the art of going through !
>> > > >> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03
>> wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts.
>> Well, who
>> > > >> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored?
>> Many
>> > > were
>> > > >> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone
>> Ranger)
>> > > until
>> > > >> > "Bury
>> > > >> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When
>> facts
>> > > have a
>> > > >> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you
>> are
>> > > not
>> > > >> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who
>> whitewash
>> > > family
>> > > >> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the
>> > > Olympic
>> > > >> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
>> > > >> > entertainment-
>> > > >> > > > > > otherwise fisticuffs and tears.- Hide quoted text -
>> > > >> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>> > > >> > > - Show quoted text -
>> > > >> > --- Hide quoted text -
>> > > >> - Show quoted text -
>> > > > --
>> > > --
>> > --
>> > (
>> > )
>> > |_D Allan
>> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text -
