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Allan H

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May 23, 2013, 2:46:59 AM5/23/13
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hmm seems my shirt is on inside out.

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James

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May 23, 2013, 7:55:45 AM5/23/13
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"Know thyself"? I hit a wall at three weeks on my nicotine quit. :( But,
I hear it takes roughly twenty three days for new behaviors to solidify.
My rules: no caffiene in afternoon, resolve disputes, take men's vitamin
every day, face the walking direction, move forward, pace self, breathe,
hold regard for the power of influence, allow expression of enthusiasm.
It used to take three cups to break the fog but these days I can go
without, with a minor headache. Mmm, need another cup. :)
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Allan H

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May 23, 2013, 10:26:08 AM5/23/13
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understand  it is over 12 years now..  Hang inn there James it is well worth the difficult times


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Molly

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May 23, 2013, 2:59:17 PM5/23/13
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I love mine. Good french roast in the French press, a little ground
chocolate, milk and sugar in the cup - the day looks good!

archytas

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May 23, 2013, 4:07:06 PM5/23/13
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I do tea.

James

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May 23, 2013, 8:15:33 PM5/23/13
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Heh, could we be any more stereotypical? Tea would be a health-conscious
choice of course (planning eventually) but to follow through with the
typefaction I drink my columbian/arabica cheap-roast with two sugars and
no cream. :)

Allan H

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May 24, 2013, 2:28:49 AM5/24/13
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what and give up my morning double espresso extra dark roast to jump start the morning,,   french presses are good..        Tea??  Tea??



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May 24, 2013, 8:22:36 AM5/24/13
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Tea seems more like medicine. I have a small drip coffee maker set up
in the bedroom- take it black and need it hot- am buying a brand from
Aldi that claims "fair trade"- a muffin- a few cigarettes and the
day's begun. I am shocked-drugged into action!
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May 24, 2013, 8:35:09 AM5/24/13
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Tea counts as a slow beverage in contrast to coffee, yes.
Unless you make it instant ice tea, of course, shudder. 


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May 24, 2013, 3:45:48 PM5/24/13
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No added sugar in my life James - too old to handle the drug. I don't
smoke in the morning either. I converted to tea bags a few years
back. Instant tea is an ironic punishment for space travelers in
Hitch-Hiker. Cold tea might have some purpose under hot sun, but I
don't keep it in preparedness for such blue moon conditions in
Northern England. Anyway I need the ice for my whiskey. I do a
double Java when I work in Manchester. They have smoking tables at
the place near Oxford Road railway station, so I sometimes break my
not smoking in the morning rule, unless the croissants have that baked
today look. I'd prefer a shot of cognac in the coffee, so I could
pretend to be Maigret instead of on my way to do finance 101.

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Allan H

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May 24, 2013, 4:10:11 PM5/24/13
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Ah coffee  enjoyable responses..  life is a wonderful with all its diversity    ,,  it would be so boring if it is all the same yuck..  I am glad every one is different..

Molly

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May 24, 2013, 5:39:21 PM5/24/13
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Thanks for the coffee clutch.
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Allan H

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May 25, 2013, 1:19:46 AM5/25/13
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you are welcome mij lady..


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Allan H

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May 25, 2013, 1:24:01 AM5/25/13
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Guten Morgen Francis können Sie haben eine helle Irish Morgen.

gabbydott

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I klatsch you, Allan, if that's what you're offering to our Francis!

Allan H

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May 25, 2013, 4:39:04 AM5/25/13
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I was trying to wish him s good irish morning..   but the translator probably got it screwed up..

Allan H

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May 25, 2013, 4:40:24 AM5/25/13
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Good morning Francis, you can have a bright Irish morning.


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archytas

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May 25, 2013, 1:51:21 PM5/25/13
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Careful Allan. My German is poor but I remember tratsche came after
klatsche and that sounds unhealthy. The pincer movement will probably
entail Wechselspielchen (sounds like death by Vogon poetry) and
Leitpersönlichkeiten (punching your lights out?). Always remember,
when dealing with these people, that the Germans can start building
and have a tank in Amsterdam on the same day (which is what vorsprung
durch technik means)!

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Allan H

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May 25, 2013, 2:15:52 PM5/25/13
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Oh well that is what I get for trying to be nice,,   LOL


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rigs

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May 25, 2013, 5:12:57 PM5/25/13
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Shudder instant coffee, also. Maybe tea once in a blue moon. Would
prefer cold beer to ice tea in the summer but unless I can find a
bodyguard or butler I would obey, I better pass. O- also hot chocolate
in the winter is nice.

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rigs

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May 25, 2013, 5:21:36 PM5/25/13
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I didn't mean to insult your tea so I made fish and chips last night-
flounder and steak fries. I used to drink whiskey without ice- not
really a fan of ice. The dentist switched and I have a white crown and
was told not to chew ice or almonds. Who chews ice? Also have a white
roof on the garage which is so bright I feel like dripping paint a la
Pollack but it's some TPO material superior to rubber. Almost finished
except for painting the caps and weather vane which the roofer- Ed-
will do on Tues.
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rigs

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James

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May 25, 2013, 11:12:56 PM5/25/13
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"Who chews ice?" I hear the sexually repressed do, could be a myth. I
haven't messed with it but EPDM sounds like fun, welding plastic seams
and such. I made a recommendation a year back that we redo some
buildings here with a TiO2-thick garage floor paint right over the
shingles but am mixed on the question of ceramic bubbles or diatomaceous
media as a base layer, price probably will rule in favor of the latter.
Is it normal for an intelligent person to constantly behave as though
they are solely responsible for every idea? After ten years working with
someone this is still urking me like a sliver that no matter how many
times you pull it out, just magically reappears. I've seen this in a few
rather intelligent people I know so far and it always puts me off, and
it's freaky, like their mind is making up things with them always at a
prominent position somehow.

Sorry for the rant rigsy, glad to hear about the tooth and roof!

James

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May 25, 2013, 11:28:32 PM5/25/13
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Hmm, I wrote that before catching up on the Problems of democracy thread
so please consider my remarks below as entirely independent! lol I need
to get the hang of this whole psycho-temporal thing that keeps
happening.. ;-)

Molly

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May 26, 2013, 9:52:59 AM5/26/13
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"solely responsible for every idea" sounds like someone with an
overblown sense of authority. Not normal, or better to say natural,
but I also see it often, and don't put much credence to what such
folks have to say. Speaking for myself, once I became comfortable
with my own authority, how others used theirs did not bother me so
much.
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archytas

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May 26, 2013, 12:21:23 PM5/26/13
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I think we should do things with all the "authority" of my German
translation above, but then I used to chew ice.  Einstein never
claimed his brain invented relativity - this was done much as we
credit "great leadership".  The brilliant individual is a myth in
creativity.  It's much more certain that we are very good at copying.
 Strangely enough, a guy called Weinstein is currently offering a
potential breakthrough theory in physics.
Academe insists on referencing on the ideas of others and most of this
is based on lies.  "Wittgenstein 1953" is the standard citation for
Philosophical Investigations - yet there was no reliable English
translation until 1958.  Postmodernism is incredulity towards
metanarratives (Lyotard 1979/84) - yet read the piece and you find the
words 'oversimplifying to the extreme' before the oft cited text.
 Academics copy each other's citations without reading the originals.
 Something similar has happened to film, television and the novel.
 All claims to originality and creativity are suspect in my view.
 Anyone else who says this should cite it as my idea!!!




I don't trust any authority, not least my own.  But doubt is only so
much good.  One needs thought experiments (Andrew has thrown a few up
in other areas) and a means to detect what we can take at face value.
 In 'The Extended Phenotype' Dawkings (1984:162 - but this really
 isn't his idea) suggests we imagine an alien brought up in a trusting
culture in which distrust is absent.  This guy/gal/etc. is looking at
an information system on Earth and can't make sense of access codes
regulating what can be entered or taken out of the system.  We might
be making similar mistakes as we look into biological information
systems being Dawko's point.




Nearly every non-scientific idea I've seen claimed by academic writers
can be found in the Greeks - and probably this was copied from other
societies.  There are very few plots or characters in novels, fewer on
television, news hosts and reporters are so similar the only
difference I can spot is whether I'd sleep with them or not (which
turns out to be all the women until a revulsion factor sets in after
conscious thought starts).  Is all this because the arts pander to the
least common denominator?  I trust none of it and am now revolted by
its mediocrity - it truly is klatsche und tratsche.  Does this make me
arrogant?  I think, incidentally, 'they' control us through gossip and
etiquette - but as rigs' points out, some of this may be needed to
control the barbarian temperament.




The people James is on about may be the biggest resisters to needed
change.  No ideas they cannot claim as their own will do.  On trust,
does anyone believe Microsoft products are any different for real now
as opposed to 14 years ago and know why we are still paying for them?
It all looks like a con to me. How do we know when we are stuck in a
control fraud?
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Molly

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May 26, 2013, 2:44:23 PM5/26/13
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We learn by failure. Unless we are incredibly adept at learning
lessons from other people, we learn about control fraud the hard way.
Hopefully, early. Kids are good at it and learn it early in the
family dynamic, then practice it on their peers. Interesting to watch
them in action.

Allan H

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May 26, 2013, 2:53:38 PM5/26/13
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I think all said and done I tend to  be existentialist in nature   as it seems to hold true..  a thin barrier that can be crossed to return with new knowledge. 

Allan H

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May 26, 2013, 2:54:37 PM5/26/13
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I think we also learn from success 

Molly

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May 26, 2013, 3:26:51 PM5/26/13
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yes, implied
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Allan H

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May 26, 2013, 4:11:12 PM5/26/13
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must have been a senior moment


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archytas

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Last time I put my shirt on inside out I got all the way to the
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gabbydott

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The purpose of Klatsch&Tratsch might lie in learning to avoid bad fate, a typical idol under discussion could be http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22677972, something serious media wouldn't have considered dealing with not so long ago.



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Allan H

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GAbby  Coffee is the moment in the day when the wold slides away and for  a moment at least it is okay and take a moment to reflect on the good of life

gabbydott

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This is what I was given as a present with best wishes to get me through the days. We are not taking as many synthetic drugs as over in the States, but the marketing strategies and how you get know your goodies is comparable.


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Allan H

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May 27, 2013, 11:35:10 AM5/27/13
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will have to try that brand

rigs

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I painted a roof on a Dutch Colonial (in my "salad days") with help
from the grad student. Use a high grade acrylic. Check Google.//I have
doubts that have risen about this garage roof already- a very short
"honeymoon". Having a worry/regret attack for 24 hours. Must courage
up to get some mere information. More finishing work to be done but
it's a rainy week here. Other than that, the tooth chews...
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rigs

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We learn from success and failure, true, but we have to repeat the
same elements to achieve the same results- this is where mischief
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archytas

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Coffee here usually means feeding cats aroused by the noise of the
kettle. Coffee is generally poor in the UK and I only drink it when
in Europe. It comes cat free there.
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Allan H

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mines cat free.. lol  but my puppies well  what can I say...   but I have great coffee...  ;o)


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Molly

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I've had all kinds of pets over the past few decades, including
chameleons and ferrets. Am pet free currently, although my husband
asked me this morning "what kind of dog should we get" to which I
replied "stuffed." I do love dogs, just hate vets and the dilemma of
what to do with them while traveling. I recall that the smell of
coffee in the morning got them all moving, if they were not young
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archytas

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May 28, 2013, 7:48:42 PM5/28/13
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Maxwell (I claim thread relevance on the 'grounds' Maxwell House was a
big coffee brand here once) threw himself in a stinking bog on his
evening walk. My Chinese wind-proof umbrella was working well against
the rain, but no use against a mud-shaking hound. 'Stinker' as I may
rename him (also with science roots after an old chemistry teacher
called Reekie), refused to clean himself up in the river with a couple
of swimming dogs and had to be introduced to the hose when we got
home. He struggled mightily against his bath, then came back for more
of the game. Car needs a valet job. Dog clean. Had coffee with my
bath. Bliss!
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rigs

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May 29, 2013, 7:53:47 AM5/29/13
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My second thoughts were groundless- what a waste of energy! I had
neglected to ask some "spec" questions about the roof and they were
answered.
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rigs

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Me too, about the variety of pets, with three sons and a daughter. The
lizards and birds are buried in cheese cartons wrapped in foil in a
corner of the back yard- the popsicle crosses have disappeared. It is
wonderful how we attach to and love our pets- how we grieve when they
die. Petless, at the moment, also, but miss a confidential pet willing
to listen forever. I chat easily in public as a mission of sociability
and cheer. After a few stories, my dentist and asst. thought I should
write a book- I hear that a lot. These were just dentist stories from
my past! A former friend thought I would have been a great rent-for-
lunch conversationalist or salon hostess during the time of Napoleon.
My brief work life was public oriented-first impression baloney.
Anyway, a hermit also lurks inside that loves quiet. I really began to
dislike lady-lunches, dinner parties, etc. so I dropped out- I see no
point in pointless chit-chat

James

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May 30, 2013, 12:04:53 AM5/30/13
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Hmm, last night was a bit much we had multiple touchdowns and one was
close. I found part of a shredded shingle and a piece of mail right next
to it in my yard, hoping Mr. Smith and family were safe. Must've been
standing sentry late, and heavy stress but I'm licking wounds tonight
after wrestling a rare bout (I TKO'ed it but collateral damage is a ..).
Courage can be useful rigsy, imagine the wasted energy of not
confronting the question. Strange how that card can just appear in one's
hand, I'm sure it wasn't there a short time ago.

rigs

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Yes- the unexpected- thinking we have everything figured out and up
pops a snag. The building inspector comes by today for a final
inspection so we'll see what's what.//We had a downpour last night-
house/gutter system stood up to it.//A big bonus was the roofing crew
painted the high trim yesterday morning- windows- so that's off the
list...the never ending list!//Hope your neighbor is okay and that you
are, also.

archytas

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I've just bought a shredder to cope with the vast amount of pruning
debris from the back garden. Back door needs a coat of wood preserver
- most of the rest is UPVC. Off to Belfast for some R & R.

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> ho - most of the restuse/gutter system stood up to it.//A big bonus was the roofing crew

Allan H

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May 30, 2013, 4:44:20 PM5/30/13
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escaping to Ireland ??  that sounds good,..  

Allan H

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May 30, 2013, 4:51:28 PM5/30/13
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gee the only trips I have planned  is to the dentist to replace a cap?  and the orthopedic surgeon to check on my knee that I fell on..  falling that seems to have become a regular trip for me..

Molly

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sounds like James could use some R&R also, but has recovery work to
do. the weather in the US Midwest has been radical and violent
lately. Lots of thunder and lightening right now! Glad to hear
everyone is making it through the current weather of all kinds.

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Allan H

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they are saying this is the coldest long spring since records began in 1903  or is the England I forget ,,  we are expecting fall any day now


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May 31, 2013, 5:18:24 AM5/31/13
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Northern Ireland, Allan. I learned to drink hot whiskey against the cold there. 


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Allan H

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May 31, 2013, 8:04:20 AM5/31/13
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it has been similar here  about the same time frame according to my wife.  hot whiskey against cold  probably would work but I do not know  nor nor am I interested or willing to try..

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Belfast is still UK but I'm going to Dublin and Cork too.
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Allan H

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Ireland is Ireland and the kings of england have no right to give away want is not theirs..  It seems they have a bad habit of that..  the british monarchy is deeply in debt for what they have stolen and failed to return..


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Maybe you should slip over to Belfast and drink some whiskey with
Archy!

On May 31, 4:18 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Northern Ireland, Allan. I learned to drink hot whiskey against the cold
> there.
>
> 2013/5/30 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> > escaping to Ireland ??  that sounds good,..
>
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rigs

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Reading suggestions re Ireland: "The Dubliners" by James Joyce- esp.
"The Dead"; "Trinity" by Leon Uris and recent economic news about
Ireland's role in USA companies avoiding taxes. There is much more to
read, of course. O- also the movie "Michael Collins"- I think that was
the title.
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rigs

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The habit is catching, therefore it is an addiction or disease.
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Allan H

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well on your trip to have a drink with Neil  stop by for a cup a coffee

Allan H

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theft is still theft  and generation on have no more right to what is stolen  than the people who stole it originally..


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archytas

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I share your view Allan - Cromwell, rather than a king, was the worst
English colonizer of Ireland. The Scots too - before the Union.
Robert the Bruce's brother (William) was so unpopular he died with a
red hot poker up where the sun don't shine outside Dublin. And the
main tormentor (another William) came from the country currently
giving you asylum. The Scots themselves were once known as the 'wild
Irish'. The film on Michael Connelly is romantic myth.
The Scots did not come from Scotland - they were Irish who took Argyle
from pictish tribes. Shall we reclaim the west of Pictland from
them? If we can find any as the Stewarts were French. I hear there
were some decent indigenous people in the USA before Allan and rigs
shot them up and sold the place to international bankers ...

'We' sent a lot of 'criminals' (50,000 to 120,000 - including a lot of
Irish people) to the USA rigs and lots of people left for other
British colonies rather than suffer republicanism after the revolution
- about 100,000 mostly to Canada. The slave trade was bigger, as was
the 'cattle boat' exodus.

Anyway, I'd vote for Allan to head up redistribution of wealth on a
fair basis.
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Allan H

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Irish history is fascinating,,  penetrating all parts of the world  including mine seems and indentured irish maid battered her lovely eyelashes at one of Hahn family and wisked him off into marriage..  and another pure german family lost their pureness of line..lol  would say virginity but that did not sound right.

I think part of the real problem lies in what is best described as a golden calf society..  and the hero worship of the high priests and their wealth..


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I've spent little to no time looking into ancestry other than the common
in anthropology and discoveries on ancient lineage (broadly). I find the
impact of succession on for instance Isaac and Ishmael fascinating in a
cultural sphere, and in that way some members have very intriguing ideas
on the biblical account here. My father and grandmother told me we
descend from Drake way back in the old country, Mac-Murray and Cherokee
here in the states (Blackfoot and tarheel territory). Not sure if that's
a good thing, but I am concerned one ancestor may have been an
assasin/explorer for royalty, some may have hung a plaque at the
entrance of a wall in Ireland pleading for mercy from God from the
ferocious natives but we never owned slaves here. Never been interested
in the pride and glory aspects of things, perhaps it is the native blood?
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > theft is still theft and generation on have no more right to
> what is
> > stolen than the people who stole it originally..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com
> <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > The habit is catching, therefore it is an addiction or disease.
> >
> > > On Jun 1, 4:16 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > Ireland is Ireland and the kings of england have no right to
> give away
> > > want
> > > > is not theirs.. It seems they have a bad habit of that..
> the british
> > > > monarchy is deeply in debt for what they have stolen and
> failed to
> > > return..
> >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:44 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > Belfast is still UK but I'm going to Dublin and Cork too.
> >
> > > > > On 30 May, 22:58, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mollyb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > sounds like James could use some R&R also, but has
> recovery work to
> > > > > > do. the weather in the US Midwest has been radical and
> violent
> > > > > > lately. Lots of thunder and lightening right now! Glad
> to hear
> > > > > > everyone is making it through the current weather of all
> kinds.
> >
> > > > > > On May 30, 4:51 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > gee the only trips I have planned is to the dentist
> to replace a
> > > cap?
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > the orthopedic surgeon to check on my knee that I fell
> on..
> > > falling
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > seems to have become a regular trip for me..
> >
> > > > > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > escaping to Ireland ?? that sounds good,..
> >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:57 PM, archytas
> <nwte...@gmail.com <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> I've just bought a shredder to cope with the vast
> amount of
> > > pruning
> > > > > > > >> debris from the back garden. Back door needs a
> coat of wood
> > > > > preserver
> > > > > > > >> - most of the rest is UPVC. Off to Belfast for
> some R & R.
> >
> > > > > > > >> On 30 May, 13:17, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com
> <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >> I painted a roof on a Dutch Colonial (in my
> "salad days")
> > > > > with help
> > > > > > > >> > > >> from the grad student. Use a high grade
> acrylic. Check
> > > > > Google.//I
> > > > > > > >> have
> > > > > > > >> > > >> doubts that have risen about this garage
> roof already- a
> > > > > very short
> > > > > > > >> > > >> "honeymoon". Having a worry/regret attack
> for 24 hours.
> > > Must
> > > > > > > >> courage
> > > > > > > >> > > >> up to get some mere information. More
> finishing work to
> > > be
> > > > > done but
> > > > > > > >> > > >> it's a rainy week here. Other than that, the
> tooth
> > > chews...
> >
> > > > > > > >> > > >> On May 25, 10:12 pm, James
> <nwte...@gmail.com <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>>
> <gabbyd...@gmail.com <mailto:gabbyd...@gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>> Tea counts as a slow beverage in
> contrast to coffee,
> > > > > yes.
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>> Unless you make it instant ice tea, of
> course,
> > > shudder.
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>> 2013/5/24 rigs <rigs...@gmail.com
> <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>>
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> Tea seems more like medicine. I have a
> small drip
> > > > > coffee
> > > > > > > >> maker set up
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> in the bedroom- take it black and need
> it hot- am
> > > > > buying a
> > > > > > > >> brand from
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> Aldi that claims "fair trade"- a
> muffin- a few
> > > > > cigarettes
> > > > > > > >> and the
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> day's begun. I am shocked-drugged into
> action!
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> On May 24, 1:28 am, Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> what and give up my morning double
> espresso extra
> > > dark
> > > > > > > >> roast to jump
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> start
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> the morning,, french presses are good..
> > > Tea??
> > > > > > > >> Tea??
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:15 AM, James <
> > > > > ashkas...@gmail.com <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Heh, could we be any more
> stereotypical? Tea
> > > would
> > > > > be a
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> health-conscious
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> choice of course (planning
> eventually) but to
> > > follow
> > > > > > > >> through with the
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> typefaction I drink my columbian/arabica
> > > cheap-roast
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > >> two sugars
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>> and no
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> cream. :)
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/2013 4:07 PM, archytas wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I do tea.
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 23 May, 19:59, Molly
> <mollyb...@gmail.com <mailto:mollyb...@gmail.com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I love mine. Good french roast in
> the French
> > > > > press, a
> > > > > > > >> little ground
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> chocolate, milk and sugar in the
> cup - the day
> > > > > looks
> > > > > > > >> good!
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 23, 7:55 am, James
> <ashkas...@gmail.com <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Know thyself"? I hit a wall at
> three weeks
> > > on
> > > > > my
> >
> > ...
> >
> > read more �
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Genetically Europeans seem to have a common ancestor 1000 years ago -
not sure what this means as I've not read the PLoS article yet.

On 6 June, 16:29, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've spent little to no time looking into ancestry other than the common
> in anthropology and discoveries on ancient lineage (broadly). I find the
> impact of succession on for instance Isaac and Ishmael fascinating in a
> cultural sphere, and in that way some members have very intriguing ideas
> on the biblical account here. My father and grandmother told me we
> descend from Drake way back in the old country, Mac-Murray and Cherokee
> here in the states (Blackfoot and tarheel territory). Not sure if that's
> a good thing, but I am concerned one ancestor may have been an
> assasin/explorer for royalty, some may have hung a plaque at the
> entrance of a wall in Ireland pleading for mercy from God from the
> ferocious natives but we never owned slaves here. Never been interested
> in the pride and glory aspects of things, perhaps it is the native blood?
>
> On 6/4/2013 3:05 AM, Allan H wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Irish history is fascinating,,  penetrating all parts of the world
> >  including mine seems and indentured irish maid battered her lovely
> > eyelashes at one of Hahn family and wisked him off into marriage..
> >  and another pure german family lost their pureness of line..lol
> >  would say virginity but that did not sound right.
>
> > I think part of the real problem lies in what is best described as a
> > golden calf society..  and the hero worship of the high priests and
> > their wealth..
>
> > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 4:09 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> ...
>
> read more »

Allan H

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National Geographic showed that the (common genetics) came from a major migration long before the beginning of the CE  not form one or a tiny group of people..  this was based of the female side of the genetics not the male.  Is a fascinating study.


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Gabby on hot whiskey - I may sign up for that one-way trip to Mars
after all! There's only so much danger I can live with ... I actually
prefer warm Saki.
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James

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Hmm, it seems some members here have a reputation I am unaware of.. :D I
meant to check your reference to PLOS but was distracted by the Max
Plank institute dropping a contract with some company that is now
running PubMed, that combined with trying to piece together the timing
of funding withdrawals to PLOS, gaining some respect for a rich family
(The Sandler Family, of the open access to medical knowledge by 2015
program) and the young Mr Swartz used up my last bit of free time. Do
you think the move to open access will get anywhere Neil? I am a bit
concerned about the potential stifling of Open Hardware here in the
states since big business finally got their patent objectives passed,
and their people appointed to key positions.. Hmm.. :-|
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I like half honey/half whisky nuked until boiling for soothing a sore throat. Works better the more you drink but causes headaches the next day. Saw on tv the other day that it's the poor quality Saki that needs warming and the good stuff can be drunk room temp. without the funky aftertaste. I prefer it warm as well though because that's the way I've always drunk it. Because I'm a cheap Bastard. 

I rarely drink coffee but I really enjoy the smell of a freshly brewed pot. When I do drink it I like it strong and black. No additives please. 

FYI there are no indigenous peoples to North America. The virgin forests of my adoptive homeland were rudely invaded and plundered by Asians crossing the Bearing Strait land strip exposed by the last Ice Age probably following game. Cheeky bastards.

As for where we hail from I thought it's been traced to Africa. More or less. I think we all, including Apes, share a common ancestor if we just go back far enough. Which makes us all family!


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James

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A few have told me the trick to headaches is learning to drink water
alongside alcohol. Back when I was young/dumb enough to drink most under
the table I finished off a case of Budweiser on a long trip and a hot
day, the three to five day headache is still fresh in memory. I better
quit before we start passing around tequila, and beer before liquor
stories, because it's all good until you stand up and put your head
through a wall on the way to the bathroom. Not too classy, but we were
rolling over it later.

Glad to see you Don! I read a forestry undergrowth paper a while back
that said the common earthworm isn't native either. Apparently the
topsoil was much richer and thicker especially in forested areas and has
been reducing in depth ever since, though man's influence is undoubtedly
more severe. Humans seem naturally nomadic, the contented bonobo chimp
we are not. The bonobo apparently evolved a little differently because
they developed on the other side of a waterway that had less competition
for resources. Fascinating! I haven't followed up on it but caught part
of a documentary about our near extinction in Africa and early migration
into the bamboo forests of Asia. Another tried to examine why we push
ourselves to exhaustion and endure for long periods of time, apparently
we can exhaust many other land animals. They say that there was a recent
period where a few species of hominid may have lived at the same time
and I wonder what happened to the others, or perhaps they were too much
like the bonobo. :(

Back in the day a slime mold could just relax without all this riffraff!
When the Earth is our mother we are quite related.

On 6/9/2013 9:11 PM, Don Johnson wrote:
> I like half honey/half whisky nuked until boiling for soothing a sore
> throat. Works better the more you drink but causes headaches the next
> day. Saw on tv the other day that it's the poor quality Saki that
> needs warming and the good stuff can be drunk room temp. without the
> funky aftertaste. I prefer it warm as well though because that's the
> way I've always drunk it. Because I'm a cheap Bastard.
>
> I rarely drink coffee but I really enjoy the smell of a freshly brewed
> pot. When I do drink it I like it strong and black. No additives please.
>
> FYI there are no indigenous peoples to North America. The virgin
> forests of my adoptive homeland were rudely invaded and plundered by
> Asians crossing the Bearing Strait land strip exposed by the last Ice
> Age probably following game. Cheeky bastards.
>
> As for where we hail from I thought it's been traced to Africa. More
> or less. I think we all, including Apes, share a common ancestor if we
> just go back far enough. Which makes us all family!
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:37 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nwt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Gabby on hot whiskey - I may sign up for that one-way trip to Mars
> after all! There's only so much danger I can live with ... I actually
> prefer warm Saki.
>
> On 7 June, 04:34, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > National Geographic showed that the (common genetics) came from
> a major
> > migration long before the beginning of the CE not form one or a
> tiny group
> > of people.. this was based of the female side of the genetics
> not the
> > male. Is a fascinating study.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:36 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Genetically Europeans seem to have a common ancestor 1000
> years ago -
> > > not sure what this means as I've not read the PLoS article yet.
> >
> > > On 6 June, 16:29, James <ashkas...@gmail.com
> > > > > <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > theft is still theft and generation on have no more
> right to
> > > > > what is
> > > > > > stolen than the people who stole it originally..
> >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM, rigs
> <rigs...@gmail.com <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > The habit is catching, therefore it is an
> addiction or disease.
> >
> > > > > > > On Jun 1, 4:16 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ireland is Ireland and the kings of england have
> no right to
> > > > > give away
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > is not theirs.. It seems they have a bad habit
> of that..
> > > > > the british
> > > > > > > > monarchy is deeply in debt for what they have
> stolen and
> > > > > failed to
> > > > > > > return..
> >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:44 AM, archytas
> <nwte...@gmail.com <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Belfast is still UK but I'm going to Dublin
> and Cork too.
> >
> > > > > > > > > On 30 May, 22:58, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mollyb...@gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:mollyb...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mollyb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > sounds like James could use some R&R also,
> but has
> > > > > recovery work to
> > > > > > > > > > do. the weather in the US Midwest has been
> radical and
> > > > > violent
> > > > > > > > > > lately. Lots of thunder and lightening
> right now! Glad
> > > > > to hear
> > > > > > > > > > everyone is making it through the current
> weather of all
> > > > > kinds.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On May 30, 4:51 pm, Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > gee the only trips I have planned is to
> the dentist
> > > > > to replace a
> > > > > > > cap?
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > the orthopedic surgeon to check on my knee
> that I fell
> > > > > on..
> > > > > > > falling
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > seems to have become a regular trip for me..
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Allan H
> > > > > <allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > escaping to Ireland ?? that sounds good,..
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:57 PM, archytas
> > > > > <nwte...@gmail.com <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>>>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> I've just bought a shredder to cope
> with the vast
> > > > > amount of
> > > > > > > pruning
> > > > > > > > > > > >> debris from the back garden. Back door
> needs a
> > > > > coat of wood
> > > > > > > > > preserver
> > > > > > > > > > > >> - most of the rest is UPVC. Off to
> Belfast for
> > > > > some R & R.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On 30 May, 13:17, rigs
> <rigs...@gmail.com <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>
> > > > > <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>>>
> > > > > <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>>>
> <mailto:minds-eye%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>.

Allan H

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I think I can vaguely remember warm saki  but over 30 years memories are no longer clear and crisp ..  hmm oh well to vague,,  not worth renewing..   lol  actually over 33 years now and proud of it..


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Neil that Mars trip is a young mans game,,  well or maybe you could take several young girls along as a personal harem..  nah to much work..


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rigs

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Good to see you again, Don. Our family called this Hot Toddy and it
was the initial cure for everything from a sore throat to pneumonia.
At 110# I had a storied past of drinking others under the table- back
in the day- until...:-) Really do not miss alcohol but oddly I can
still "taste" whiskey, martinis, bloody Mary's, dry white wine,
champagne and cold beer, etc. Yesterday, a glazed blueberry doughnut
seemed a great substitute for a "fix" after househunting with realtor
friends for one of my children.//You are right about the migration and
our roots from what I know about the subject.

rigs

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Early advice from my mother suggested eating a slice or two of
buttered bread before an evening of revelry- it really is not wise to
drink on an empty stomach. Have been lucky re headaches/hangovers. The
aftermath/shock seemed to be over some wild/honest remark or behavior
leading to temporary guilt.

archytas

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Jun 10, 2013, 10:20:10 AM6/10/13
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I'm not sure on the open access thing James. The vast majority of
academic publishing isn't worth reading - maybe only 10% of science
and 0.5% of the rest. I sold advertising space for a rag mag one
summer - a third of any take was my commission with the publisher
taking the rest and donating 10% to the rag fund. I fancy most
academic publishing is a bit like this. Typically, rag mags are
written by students copying stuff from older ones - hence jokes like
'why do the French smell - so even the blind can hate them'. Most
academic content is copied and the academics get no direct payment. I
guess students foot the printing bills and publisher profits through
buying books and the fees for hard-copy and electronic journals via
institutional access. Given everything could go straight to
electronic the only real barrier to open access is the business model
that currently makes money for publishers. The big thing for me is
less open access and more to do with ease of search to make literature
review easier.

I'm very fond of Gabby just in case anyone hasn't noticed - it would
take rather more than thought her hot whiskey driven to get me on a
one way trip to Mars - and there wouldn't be much point in being young
on such a trip Allan. And why spoil the peace and quiet with women? -
OOps, speech crime, certain death!

Much sense as ever Don - there is some dispute on the out of Africa
thesis these days - but no doubt we are incredibly similar
genetically.
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archytas

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Jun 10, 2013, 11:13:10 AM6/10/13
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55 million-year-old Archicebus is the oldest primate skeleton found,
the closest we've come to discovering our origins, and suggests we
evolved in Asia
Our distant ancestors evolved not in Africa but Asia, in a hothouse
world newly free of dinosaurs. Over 55 million years ago, in the lush
rainforests of what is now east Asia, a new voice was heard in the
animal chorus: the cry of the first primate.   It is the earliest
primate skeleton ever found. It also strongly suggests that our
lineage evolved in Asia, several million years earlier than we
thought, and links the evolution of primates to the most extreme
episode of climate change of the last 65 million years.
Archicebus achilles as found in eastern China, just south of the
Yangtze river (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature12200). It is 55 million
years old, has the relatively small eyes of an animal active during
the day and the sharp molar teeth of an insect-eater. Significantly,
it also has the hindlimbs and flexible foot of a primate that had
already taken to leaping between branches and gripping onto them with
its feet – characteristics that we only lost when our ancestors left
the trees just a few million years ago. In fact, a recent study
revealed that at least 1 in 13 of us still has a flexible foot (New
Scientist, 1 June, p 11): the trait, it seems, may trace all the way
back to an animal very like Archicebus.




At the moment, analysis of Archicebus places it not on our direct
line, but with our next-door neighbours, the tarsiers of south-east
Asia.  Archicebus is a basal anthropoid [the group comprising monkeys,
apes and humans - maybe.  Parts of its body are eerily similar to what
we would expect to find in our oldest ancestor. Its ankle bone, in
particular, looks just like a monkey's – a feature that led to naming
the remarkable fossil after the Greek hero Achilles.




Perhaps most significantly, the new fossil supports the idea that
primates originally evolved in south-east Asia, and suggests the
ancestors of all monkeys and apes had already split off from other
primates 55 million years ago – millions of years earlier than
textbooks suggest. Archicebus solidifies that this important branching
event goes right back to the beginning of the Eocene.  This links the
birth of our primate line to a major spike in global temperatures
known as the Palaeocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM). It also puts
our point of origin squarely in the heart of the PETM furnace:
equatorial Asia.








How, then, did Africa end up being the cradle of humanity? If the out-
of-Asia hypothesis is correct, early monkey-like primates must have
moved from Asia over to Africa, sometime around 40 million years ago,
Beard says. The hypothesis must still explain how they made the move,
crossing the vast Tethys Sea which separated Asia and Africa.  this
and other recent finds suggest there was an into Africa' before 'out
of Africa'.





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archytas

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2321038/How-Europeans-big-family-People-continent-related-ancestry-dating-just-1-000-years.html

For the basics on why all Europeans are related 1000 years back.

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archytas

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Jun 10, 2013, 11:39:54 AM6/10/13
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The PLoS link is http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001555

This is the author summary

Few of us know our family histories more than a few generations back.
It is therefore easy to overlook the fact that we are all distant
cousins, related to one another via a vast network of relationships.
Here we use genome-wide data from European individuals to investigate
these relationships over the past 3,000 years, by looking for long
stretches of genome that are shared between pairs of individuals
through their inheritance from common genetic ancestors. We quantify
this ubiquitous recent common ancestry, showing for instance that even
pairs of individuals from opposite ends of Europe share hundreds of
genetic common ancestors over this time period. Despite this degree of
commonality, there are also striking regional differences.
Southeastern Europeans, for example, share large numbers of common
ancestors that date roughly to the era of the Slavic and Hunnic
expansions around 1,500 years ago, while most common ancestors that
Italians share with other populations lived longer than 2,500 years
ago. The study of long stretches of shared genetic material promises
to uncover rich information about many aspects of recent population
history.
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Allan H

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Jun 10, 2013, 12:12:09 PM6/10/13
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well  that would explain all the in breeding ...  personally I don't know..  but instinct tells me to put the breaks on..  I do have to remember the Europeans had this love of killing every one off,,  like the english kings..  I really think it is a population control thing..
Are you going there or are you bringing Gabby over for dinner?


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Allan H

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we are living in a crazy world  but what can one say

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gabbydott

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Jun 10, 2013, 1:57:32 PM6/10/13
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Our Allan: priceless! *coughing* 


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gabbydott

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Sugarhoneypie, don't you worry no more, we have adopted American fast food culture here as well. :)


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Allan H

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Jun 10, 2013, 2:26:36 PM6/10/13
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rigs

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Jun 11, 2013, 7:23:26 PM6/11/13
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Not sure who you mean by Michael Connelly. Michael Collins is a hero
of the IRA. Did you mean James Connolly- a socialist opposed to
Redmond.

rigs

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There is a difference in migration patterns of early humans and what
is termed indigenous peoples. Of course, the white colonial powers in
the age of exploration and conquest discounted the existence and
culture of settled peoples as part of their exploitation.

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rigs

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Jun 11, 2013, 7:29:32 PM6/11/13
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In a real harem the mother of the sultan is in charge. Who else could
maintain some order?

rigs

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Jun 11, 2013, 7:44:39 PM6/11/13
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I did see that bit on Archicebus in the news. My guess is that
migration follows the need for a reliable food supply but there are
also issues with predators, weather changes, natural disasters, etc.
that also influence migration patterns. Modern human migrations have
additional issues.

I have decided portable tech items are the new constant teddy bear
(unconditional love).

I got half my money back on the roof= Act I.

Wonder what Obama thinks of his new Turkish buddy now?
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