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Subject: Re: [MakerSpace] Re: Makerbot releases Replicator 2 and new NYC
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To answer your question, Have Blue, most of the people buying printers now
are businesses, and they prefer a turn key solution for a higher price tag
rather than spending time on it (it's all a trade-off on time) and
therefore don't care if it's open or closed: It's whatever works more
reliably.
We are beginning to understand that the market for 3D printers has changed
drastically ever since the Replicator 1 (Not the Replicator 2...yet).
Ironically, the difference is that consumers are no longer the target
market for Makerbot, businesses (of all sizes) and entrepreneurs are the
new market because they will spend the extra money to justify some type of
savings down the road. One of our large manufacturing customers don't mind
spending an extra $450 for a Replicator 2, single-extruder, because they
care more about looks than features, and admitted it, because they have to
show off their equipment to their customers as well.
The 3D printing trend started with consumers (hobbyists), now it's
businesses, and I believe next it will come back to consumers once it has
caught on. Consumers don't get it yet (IMHO it's because there's no "Killer
app" for people to realize the potential of desktop fabrication), and they
won't get it until they start using a 3D printer at their work day-in and
day-out, that's how inkjet printers caught on.
I'm rambling, but the fact is that Makerbot is no longer the company we
know and love, regardless of how likeable Bre and the gang are, because
they got greedy with VC funding, like you said. They didn't even tell our
company (an authorized reseller) that there was a new printer in
development, and now we're stuck with inventory (which is part of the
reason we're getting out of the retail space, different story for a
different day). But I think the problem is our hopes were too high, they
have to feed their family like everyone else.
My question is: Why can't they just patent anything and everything, and
still release the hardware plans? This will keep it OSHW so anyone can
build one for personal use, and still prevent douches like Tangibot from
ripping them off. Am I missing something here?
Jesse
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:35:02 PM UTC-5, Pete Prodoehl wrote:
>
>
> But just look at what $249 or $749 can get you!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabella/8007708608/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabella/8007710528/
>
> They do give attribution to the Thingiverse user who uploaded it.
>
>
> (Pro-tip: dig through that guy's stream for some Nerdy Derby cars.)
>
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> Pete
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> On Sep 27, 2012 9:26 AM, "Pete Prodoehl" <ras...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> wrote:
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>> I assumed he meant MakerBot closing up their source, etc.
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>> Pete
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>> On 9/27/12 7:56 AM, jason gessner wrote:
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>> How did that post break your heart?
>> On Sep 26, 2012 7:52 PM, "Ed Hagopian" <edhag...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> RELEASE THE
>>> http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/09/26/our-lawyer-explains-the-thingiverse-terms-of-service/ HOUN......
>>> Oh... Ok.. Nevermind....
>>>
>>> They still broke my heart. But at least they didn't run over my dog
>>> too. Besides, really what other 3dPedias are there out there?
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 24, 2012 9:41:55 PM UTC-5, Ed Hagopian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://hive.slate.com/hive/made-america-how-reinvent-american-manufacturing/article/the-steve-jobs-of-useless-plastic-trinkets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ouch. I don't have much history of the author other than a quick
>>>> glace at his twitter feed which seems to confirm his general doucheyness.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:09:00 PM UTC-5, Ed Hagopian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting article on one of the founders Zach Hoeken leaving.
>>>>> http://www.hive76.org/hoeken
>>>>>
>>>>> Noteable quote - "The people with the money call the shots."
>>>>> and apparently his next interest is CNC mills. Awesome.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:19:11 PM UTC-5, Adam Cohen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice..They need to add window panels and a heating system to keep the
>>>>>> interior temperature up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:04:25 PM UTC-5, Mike Massie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's blacked out and it's $2K -
>>>>>>> http://store.makerbot.com/replicator2.html
>>>>>>>
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To answer your question, Have Blue, most of the people buying printers
now are businesses, and they prefer a turn key solution for a higher
price tag rather than spending time on it (it's all a trade-off on time)
and therefore don't care if it's open or closed: It's whatever works
more reliably. <br><br>We are beginning to understand that the market
for 3D printers has changed drastically ever since the Replicator 1 (Not
the Replicator 2...yet). Ironically, the difference is that consumers
are no longer the target market for Makerbot, businesses (of all sizes)
and entrepreneurs are the new market because they will spend the extra
money to justify some type of savings down the road. One of our large
manufacturing customers don't mind spending an extra $450 for a
Replicator 2, single-extruder, because they care more about looks than
features, and admitted it, because they have to show off their equipment
to their customers as well. <br><br>The 3D printing trend started with
consumers (hobbyists), now it's businesses, and I believe next it will
come back to consumers once it has caught on. Consumers don't get it yet
(IMHO it's because there's no "Killer app" for people to realize the
potential of desktop fabrication), and they won't get it until they
start using a 3D printer at their work day-in and day-out, that's how
inkjet printers caught on. <br><br>I'm rambling, but the fact is that
Makerbot is no longer the company we know and love, regardless of how
likeable Bre and the gang are, because they got greedy with VC funding,
like you said. They didn't even tell our company (an authorized
reseller) that there was a new printer in development, and now we're
stuck with inventory (which is part of the reason we're getting out of
the retail space, different story for a different day). But I think the
problem is our hopes were too high, they have to feed their family like
everyone else. <br><br>My question is: Why can't they just patent
anything and everything, and still release the hardware plans? This will
keep it OSHW so anyone can build one for personal use, and still
prevent douches like Tangibot from ripping them off. Am I missing
something here?<br><br>Jesse<br><br>On Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:35:02 PM UTC-5, Pete Prodoehl wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
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But just look at what $249 or $749 can get you!<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabella/8007708608/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/<wbr>jabella/8007708608/</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabella/8007710528/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/<wbr>jabella/8007710528/</a><br>
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They do give attribution to the Thingiverse user who uploaded it.<br>
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(Pro-tip: dig through that guy's stream for some Nerdy Derby cars.)<br>
<br>
<br>
Pete<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 27, 2012 9:26 AM, "Pete Prodoehl"
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I assumed he meant MakerBot closing up their source, etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
Pete<br>
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<div>On 9/27/12 7:56 AM, jason gessner wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">How did that post break your heart?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 26, 2012 7:52 PM, "Ed
Hagopian" <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="RRmhlrnqfXUJ">edhag...@gmail.com</a>>
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RELEASE THE <a href="http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/09/26/our-lawyer-explains-the-thingiverse-terms-of-service/" target="_blank">http://www.makerbot.com/blog/<wbr>2012/09/26/our-lawyer-<wbr>explains-the-thingiverse-<wbr>terms-of-service/</a> HOUN......
Oh... Ok.. Nevermind....
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<div>They still broke my heart. But at least they
didn't run over my dog too. Besides, really what
other 3dPedias are there out there?<br>
<br>
On Monday, September 24, 2012 9:41:55 PM UTC-5, Ed
Hagopian wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <a href="http://hive.slate.com/hive/made-america-how-reinvent-american-manufacturing/article/the-steve-jobs-of-useless-plastic-trinkets" target="_blank">http://hive.slate.com/hive/<wbr>made-america-how-reinvent-<wbr>american-manufacturing/<wbr>article/the-steve-jobs-of-<wbr>useless-plastic-trinkets</a>
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<div>Ouch. I don't have much history of the author
other than a quick glace at his twitter feed
which seems to confirm his general doucheyness.<br>
<br>
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:09:00 PM
UTC-5, Ed Hagopian wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Interesting
article on one of the founders Zach Hoeken
leaving.
<div><a href="http://www.hive76.org/hoeken" target="_blank">http://www.hive76.org/hoeken</a> </div>
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<div>Noteable quote - "The people with the
money call the shots." </div>
<div>and apparently his next interest is CNC
mills. Awesome.<br>
<br>
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UTC-5, Adam Cohen wrote:
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need to add window panels and a heating
system to keep the interior temperature
up.<br>
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