I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular basis.
When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know that it's been in use plenty since then.
When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back together.
What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then, it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus and everything was fine.
Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do without them.
Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave that open for debate.
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular
> basis.
> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had
> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but
> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know
> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due to
> focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing
> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back
> together.
> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out
> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then,
> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my
> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume
> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus
> and everything was fine.
> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do
> without them.
> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been
> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep
> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've
> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave
> that open for debate.
On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular > basis.
> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had > cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but > abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know > that it's been in use plenty since then.
> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due to > focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing > screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back > together.
> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out > box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then, > it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my > attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume > it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus > and everything was fine.
> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do > without them.
> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been > trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep > records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've > been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave > that open for debate.
On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular > basis.
> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had > cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but > abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know > that it's been in use plenty since then.
> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due to > focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing > screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back > together.
> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out > box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then, > it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my > attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume > it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus > and everything was fine.
> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do > without them.
> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been > trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep > records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've > been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave > that open for debate.
----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Prodoehl To: milwaukeemakerspace@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: [MakerSpace] Re: Taking Care of the 60 watt Laser
Thanks for cleaning it Shane... I've not used it in a month or so, but yeah, if we need to be more strict about it, let's come up with a plan.
Pete
On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular basis.
When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know that it's been in use plenty since then.
When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back together.
What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then, it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus and everything was fine.
Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do without them.
Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave that open for debate.
so shane, what is the state of the laser? After cleaning is it functioning
properly? Do we have cleaning instructions on the wiki or posted next to
the machine? Do we need to pick up anything to have the proper cleaning
supplies?
I haven't used the machine in 6 weeks because it has either been occupied
when i've been there or it has been broken. I have time off this week and
want to cut my simple project from 8 weeks ago, but am currently unclear on
if it is worth the attempt or not.
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jerry [HM] <whispers...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> **
> unfortunately.. I have 'never' used it yet...
> </tear>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com>
> *To:* milwaukeemakerspace@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:25 PM
> *Subject:* [MakerSpace] Re: Taking Care of the 60 watt Laser
> Thanks for cleaning it Shane... I've not used it in a month or so, but
> yeah, if we need to be more strict about it, let's come up with a plan.
> Pete
> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
>> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular
>> basis.
>> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had
>> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but
>> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know
>> that it's been in use plenty since then.
>> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due
>> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
>> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing
>> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back
>> together.
>> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out
>> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then,
>> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my
>> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
>> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume
>> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus
>> and everything was fine.
>> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do
>> without them.
>> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been
>> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
>> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep
>> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've
>> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave
>> that open for debate.
People are supposed to be getting trained in person on how to clean
the machine.
I suppose having posted instruction couldn't help, in order to remind
people.
I plan on coming in for a bit today to mess around with it and see if
I can get it cutting properly. I talked to Tom and he thinks that
part of the reason may be because of the cheaper lenses we got from
China.
I'm going to talk to him and maybe I can learn how to replace a lens.
As it is, it should be okay for etching, but I wouldn't try cutting
wood with it just yet.
I'll keep you informed....
On Oct 28, 9:50 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> so shane, what is the state of the laser? After cleaning is it functioning
> properly? Do we have cleaning instructions on the wiki or posted next to
> the machine? Do we need to pick up anything to have the proper cleaning
> supplies?
> I haven't used the machine in 6 weeks because it has either been occupied
> when i've been there or it has been broken. I have time off this week and
> want to cut my simple project from 8 weeks ago, but am currently unclear on
> if it is worth the attempt or not.
> How can i help?
> -jason
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jerry [HM] <whispers...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > **
> > unfortunately.. I have 'never' used it yet...
> > </tear>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com>
> > *To:* milwaukeemakerspace@googlegroups.com
> > *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:25 PM
> > *Subject:* [MakerSpace] Re: Taking Care of the 60 watt Laser
> > Thanks for cleaning it Shane... I've not used it in a month or so, but
> > yeah, if we need to be more strict about it, let's come up with a plan.
> > Pete
> > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular
> >> basis.
> >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had
> >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but
> >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know
> >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due
> >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing
> >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back
> >> together.
> >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out
> >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then,
> >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my
> >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume
> >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus
> >> and everything was fine.
> >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do
> >> without them.
> >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been
> >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep
> >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've
> >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave
> >> that open for debate.
Instructions on the wiki would be good... even though I've been trained in person, just like jason, I've not used the laser for quite some time, so having notes to remind me would be good.
How is the 25 watt laser doing? If the 60 is only etching and not cutting right now, can't we utilize the 25?
On Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> People are supposed to be getting trained in person on how to clean > the machine.
> I suppose having posted instruction couldn't help, in order to remind > people.
> I plan on coming in for a bit today to mess around with it and see if > I can get it cutting properly. I talked to Tom and he thinks that > part of the reason may be because of the cheaper lenses we got from > China.
> I'm going to talk to him and maybe I can learn how to replace a lens.
> As it is, it should be okay for etching, but I wouldn't try cutting > wood with it just yet.
> I'll keep you informed....
> On Oct 28, 9:50 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote: > > so shane, what is the state of the laser? After cleaning is it > functioning > > properly? Do we have cleaning instructions on the wiki or posted next > to > > the machine? Do we need to pick up anything to have the proper cleaning > > supplies?
> > I haven't used the machine in 6 weeks because it has either been > occupied > > when i've been there or it has been broken. I have time off this week > and > > want to cut my simple project from 8 weeks ago, but am currently unclear > on > > if it is worth the attempt or not.
> > How can i help?
> > -jason
> > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jerry [HM] <whispers...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > ** > > > unfortunately.. I have 'never' used it yet...
> > > </tear>
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > *From:* Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com> > > > *To:* milwaukee...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > > > *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:25 PM > > > *Subject:* [MakerSpace] Re: Taking Care of the 60 watt Laser
> > > Thanks for cleaning it Shane... I've not used it in a month or so, but > > > yeah, if we need to be more strict about it, let's come up with a > plan.
> > > Pete
> > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a > regular > > >> basis.
> > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one > had > > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but > > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I > know > > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused > due > > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing > > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it > back > > >> together.
> > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of > cut-out > > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even > then, > > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed > during my > > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to > assume > > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the > focus > > >> and everything was fine.
> > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd > do > > >> without them.
> > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't > been > > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to > keep > > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people > who've > > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll > leave > > >> that open for debate.
the saga of the laser cutters is one filled with sadness.
Wiki instructions are good - in person training for everything is great,
but good docs are essential.
Shane, let me know how it goes today. I need to etch *and* cut, of course,
so i am not even going to bother attempting anything until i get some sort
of an all-clear from you.
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Instructions on the wiki would be good... even though I've been trained in
> person, just like jason, I've not used the laser for quite some time, so
> having notes to remind me would be good.
> How is the 25 watt laser doing? If the 60 is only etching and not cutting
> right now, can't we utilize the 25?
> Pete
> On Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:50:36 AM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
>> People are supposed to be getting trained in person on how to clean
>> the machine.
>> I suppose having posted instruction couldn't help, in order to remind
>> people.
>> I plan on coming in for a bit today to mess around with it and see if
>> I can get it cutting properly. I talked to Tom and he thinks that
>> part of the reason may be because of the cheaper lenses we got from
>> China.
>> I'm going to talk to him and maybe I can learn how to replace a lens.
>> As it is, it should be okay for etching, but I wouldn't try cutting
>> wood with it just yet.
>> I'll keep you informed....
>> On Oct 28, 9:50 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
>> > so shane, what is the state of the laser? After cleaning is it
>> functioning
>> > properly? Do we have cleaning instructions on the wiki or posted next
>> to
>> > the machine? Do we need to pick up anything to have the proper
>> cleaning
>> > supplies?
>> > I haven't used the machine in 6 weeks because it has either been
>> occupied
>> > when i've been there or it has been broken. I have time off this week
>> and
>> > want to cut my simple project from 8 weeks ago, but am currently
>> unclear on
>> > if it is worth the attempt or not.
>> > How can i help?
>> > -jason
>> > On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jerry [HM] <whispers...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > **
>> > > unfortunately.. I have 'never' used it yet...
>> > > </tear>
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > *From:* Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com>
>> > > *To:* milwaukee...@**googlegroups.com
>> > > *Sent:* Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:25 PM
>> > > *Subject:* [MakerSpace] Re: Taking Care of the 60 watt Laser
>> > > Thanks for cleaning it Shane... I've not used it in a month or so,
>> but
>> > > yeah, if we need to be more strict about it, let's come up with a
>> plan.
>> > > Pete
>> > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
>> > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a
>> regular
>> > >> basis.
>> > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one
>> had
>> > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made
>> but
>> > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I
>> know
>> > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
>> > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused
>> due
>> > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
>> > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the
>> missing
>> > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it
>> back
>> > >> together.
>> > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of
>> cut-out
>> > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring.
>> Even then,
>> > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed
>> during my
>> > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
>> > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to
>> assume
>> > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the
>> focus
>> > >> and everything was fine.
>> > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what
>> we'd do
>> > >> without them.
>> > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't
>> been
>> > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
>> > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to
>> keep
>> > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people
>> who've
>> > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll
>> leave
>> > >> that open for debate.
I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two minutes to verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check the glass saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down additional passes.
On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon wrote:
> I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I just > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
>> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular >> basis.
>> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
>> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
>> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back >> together.
>> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then, >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
>> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus >> and everything was fine.
>> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do >> without them.
>> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
>> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave >> that open for debate.
> I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two minutes to
> verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check the glass
> saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down additional
> passes.
> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon wrote:
> > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I just
> > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a regular
> >> basis.
> >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had
> >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but
> >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I know
> >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused due
> >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing
> >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it back
> >> together.
> >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of cut-out
> >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even then,
> >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed during my
> >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to assume
> >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the focus
> >> and everything was fine.
> >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd do
> >> without them.
> >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't been
> >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep
> >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people who've
> >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll leave
> >> that open for debate.
are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took a quick
look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser if someone tells
me how to do it!
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too, unless it
> appears that it hasn't been used.
> On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two minutes to
> > verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check the glass
> > saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down additional
> > passes.
> > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon wrote:
> > > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I just
> > > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a
> regular
> > >> basis.
> > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had
> > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but
> > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I
> know
> > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused
> due
> > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing
> > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it
> back
> > >> together.
> > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of
> cut-out
> > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even
> then,
> > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed
> during my
> > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to
> assume
> > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the
> focus
> > >> and everything was fine.
> > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd
> do
> > >> without them.
> > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't
> been
> > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep
> > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people
> who've
> > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll
> leave
> > >> that open for debate.
I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
demonstration is a necessity.
I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write them
up so we can be sure not to forget anything.
(I can't write instructions to save my life.)
On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took a quick
> look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser if someone tells
> me how to do it!
> -jason
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too, unless it
> > appears that it hasn't been used.
> > On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two minutes to
> > > verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check the glass
> > > saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down additional
> > > passes.
> > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon wrote:
> > > > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I just
> > > > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> > > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a
> > regular
> > > >> basis.
> > > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no one had
> > > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made but
> > > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I
> > know
> > > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> > > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was caused
> > due
> > > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> > > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the missing
> > > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put it
> > back
> > > >> together.
> > > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of
> > cut-out
> > > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring. Even
> > then,
> > > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed
> > during my
> > > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> > > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to
> > assume
> > > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the
> > focus
> > > >> and everything was fine.
> > > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what we'd
> > do
> > > >> without them.
> > > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you haven't
> > been
> > > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> > > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to keep
> > > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people
> > who've
> > > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but I'll
> > leave
> > > >> that open for debate.
how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and get some
cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of my time.
Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
> demonstration is a necessity.
> I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
> As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write them
> up so we can be sure not to forget anything.
> (I can't write instructions to save my life.)
> On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> > are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took a
> quick
> > look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser if someone
> tells
> > me how to do it!
> > -jason
> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too, unless it
> > > appears that it hasn't been used.
> > > On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two minutes to
> > > > verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check the
> glass
> > > > saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down additional
> > > > passes.
> > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon wrote:
> > > > > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I just
> > > > > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> > > > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a
> > > regular
> > > > >> basis.
> > > > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no
> one had
> > > > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made
> but
> > > > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I
> > > know
> > > > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> > > > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was
> caused
> > > due
> > > > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> > > > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the
> missing
> > > > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put
> it
> > > back
> > > > >> together.
> > > > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of
> > > cut-out
> > > > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring.
> Even
> > > then,
> > > > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed
> > > during my
> > > > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> > > > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to
> > > assume
> > > > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the
> > > focus
> > > > >> and everything was fine.
> > > > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what
> we'd
> > > do
> > > > >> without them.
> > > > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you
> haven't
> > > been
> > > > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> > > > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to
> keep
> > > > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people
> > > who've
> > > > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but
> I'll
> > > leave
> > > > >> that open for debate.
What material are you cutting? I was, ultimately, able to cut through
the 3 mil. Baltic Birch with a little tweaking. Also, apparently
acrylic is cutting now. The laser might not be at full capacity, but
if you use a test piece to adjust your settings, you should be just
fine.
On Nov 2, 10:19 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and get some
> cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of my time.
> Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
> -jason
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
> > demonstration is a necessity.
> > I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
> > As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write them
> > up so we can be sure not to forget anything.
> > (I can't write instructions to save my life.)
> > On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> > > are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took a
> > quick
> > > look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser if someone
> > tells
> > > me how to do it!
> > > -jason
> > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too, unless it
> > > > appears that it hasn't been used.
> > > > On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two minutes to
> > > > > verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check the
> > glass
> > > > > saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down additional
> > > > > passes.
> > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon wrote:
> > > > > > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I just
> > > > > > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> > > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> > > > > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a
> > > > regular
> > > > > >> basis.
> > > > > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no
> > one had
> > > > > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made
> > but
> > > > > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I
> > > > know
> > > > > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> > > > > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was
> > caused
> > > > due
> > > > > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> > > > > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the
> > missing
> > > > > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put
> > it
> > > > back
> > > > > >> together.
> > > > > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of
> > > > cut-out
> > > > > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring.
> > Even
> > > > then,
> > > > > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed
> > > > during my
> > > > > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> > > > > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to
> > > > assume
> > > > > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the
> > > > focus
> > > > > >> and everything was fine.
> > > > > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what
> > we'd
> > > > do
> > > > > >> without them.
> > > > > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you
> > haven't
> > > > been
> > > > > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> > > > > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to
> > keep
> > > > > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people
> > > > who've
> > > > > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but
> > I'll
> > > > leave
> > > > > >> that open for debate.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I concur. Refer to my previous comment.
> What material are you cutting? I was, ultimately, able to cut through
> the 3 mil. Baltic Birch with a little tweaking. Also, apparently
> acrylic is cutting now. The laser might not be at full capacity, but
> if you use a test piece to adjust your settings, you should be just
> fine.
> On Nov 2, 10:19 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> > how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and get
> some
> > cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of my time.
> > Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
> > -jason
> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
> > > demonstration is a necessity.
> > > I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
> > > As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write them
> > > up so we can be sure not to forget anything.
> > > (I can't write instructions to save my life.)
> > > On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> > > > are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took a
> > > quick
> > > > look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser if someone
> > > tells
> > > > me how to do it!
> > > > -jason
> > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too, unless
> it
> > > > > appears that it hasn't been used.
> > > > > On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two
> minutes to
> > > > > > verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check
> the
> > > glass
> > > > > > saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down
> additional
> > > > > > passes.
> > > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon
> wrote:
> > > > > > > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I
> just
> > > > > > > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> > > > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> > > > > > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter
> on a
> > > > > regular
> > > > > > >> basis.
> > > > > > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no
> > > one had
> > > > > > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was
> made
> > > but
> > > > > > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I
> appreciate). I
> > > > > know
> > > > > > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> > > > > > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was
> > > caused
> > > > > due
> > > > > > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> > > > > > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the
> > > missing
> > > > > > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and
> put
> > > it
> > > > > back
> > > > > > >> together.
> > > > > > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another
> type of
> > > > > cut-out
> > > > > > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in
> charring.
> > > Even
> > > > > then,
> > > > > > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was
> destroyed
> > > > > during my
> > > > > > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> > > > > > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am
> forced to
> > > > > assume
> > > > > > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually
> checked the
> > > > > focus
> > > > > > >> and everything was fine.
> > > > > > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know
> what
> > > we'd
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >> without them.
> > > > > > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you
> > > haven't
> > > > > been
> > > > > > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> > > > > > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the
> thing to
> > > keep
> > > > > > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the
> people
> > > > > who've
> > > > > > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but
> > > I'll
> > > > > leave
> > > > > > >> that open for debate.
Either of u at the space now? I could come down and check it out.
Tom
From: jason gessner Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:36 AM
To: milwaukeemakerspace@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MakerSpace] Re: Taking Care of the 60 watt Laser
i don't want to muck around with it too much. I want to walk in, load a file, hit print and leave with my stuff. :/
It sounds like spending a few hours is currently my only option, which probably means i will find something else to do instead.
-jason
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I concur. Refer to my previous comment.
What material are you cutting? I was, ultimately, able to cut through
the 3 mil. Baltic Birch with a little tweaking. Also, apparently
acrylic is cutting now. The laser might not be at full capacity, but
if you use a test piece to adjust your settings, you should be just
fine.
On Nov 2, 10:19 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and get some
> cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of my time.
> Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
>
> -jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
> > demonstration is a necessity.
>
> > I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
>
> > As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write them
> > up so we can be sure not to forget anything.
> > (I can't write instructions to save my life.)
>
> > On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> > > are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took a
> > quick
> > > look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser if someone
> > tells
> > > me how to do it!
>
> > > -jason
>
> > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too, unless it
> > > > appears that it hasn't been used.
>
> > > > On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two minutes to
> > > > > verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check the
> > glass
> > > > > saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down additional
> > > > > passes.
>
> > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon wrote:
>
> > > > > > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I just
> > > > > > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
>
> > > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
>
> > > > > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter on a
> > > > regular
> > > > > >> basis.
>
> > > > > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that no
> > one had
> > > > > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was made
> > but
> > > > > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I appreciate). I
> > > > know
> > > > > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
>
> > > > > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was
> > caused
> > > > due
> > > > > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
>
> > > > > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the
> > missing
> > > > > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.) and put
> > it
> > > > back
> > > > > >> together.
>
> > > > > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another type of
> > > > cut-out
> > > > > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in charring.
> > Even
> > > > then,
> > > > > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was destroyed
> > > > during my
> > > > > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
>
> > > > > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am forced to
> > > > assume
> > > > > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually checked the
> > > > focus
> > > > > >> and everything was fine.
>
> > > > > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know what
> > we'd
> > > > do
> > > > > >> without them.
>
> > > > > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you
> > haven't
> > > > been
> > > > > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
>
> > > > > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the thing to
> > keep
> > > > > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the people
> > > > who've
> > > > > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens, but
> > I'll
> > > > leave
> > > > > >> that open for debate.
>
> > > > > >> Thank you.
>
> > > > --
>
> > > --
> > > -jason
>
> > --
>
> --
> -jason
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Tom Gondek <tgon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Either of u at the space now? I could come down and check it out.
> Tom
> *From:* jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 10:36 AM
> *To:* milwaukeemakerspace@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [MakerSpace] Re: Taking Care of the 60 watt Laser
> i don't want to muck around with it too much. I want to walk in, load a
> file, hit print and leave with my stuff. :/
> It sounds like spending a few hours is currently my only option, which
> probably means i will find something else to do instead.
> -jason
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I concur. Refer to my previous comment.
>> What material are you cutting? I was, ultimately, able to cut through
>> the 3 mil. Baltic Birch with a little tweaking. Also, apparently
>> acrylic is cutting now. The laser might not be at full capacity, but
>> if you use a test piece to adjust your settings, you should be just
>> fine.
>> On Nov 2, 10:19 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
>> > how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and get
>> some
>> > cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of my time.
>> > Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
>> > -jason
>> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
>> > > demonstration is a necessity.
>> > > I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
>> > > As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write them
>> > > up so we can be sure not to forget anything.
>> > > (I can't write instructions to save my life.)
>> > > On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
>> > > > are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took a
>> > > quick
>> > > > look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser if someone
>> > > tells
>> > > > me how to do it!
>> > > > -jason
>> > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too,
>> unless it
>> > > > > appears that it hasn't been used.
>> > > > > On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two
>> minutes to
>> > > > > > verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check
>> the
>> > > glass
>> > > > > > saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down
>> additional
>> > > > > > passes.
>> > > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon
>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I
>> just
>> > > > > > > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
>> > > > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
>> > > > > > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter
>> on a
>> > > > > regular
>> > > > > > >> basis.
>> > > > > > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that
>> no
>> > > one had
>> > > > > > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was
>> made
>> > > but
>> > > > > > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I
>> appreciate). I
>> > > > > know
>> > > > > > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
>> > > > > > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was
>> > > caused
>> > > > > due
>> > > > > > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
>> > > > > > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the
>> > > missing
>> > > > > > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.)
>> and put
>> > > it
>> > > > > back
>> > > > > > >> together.
>> > > > > > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another
>> type of
>> > > > > cut-out
>> > > > > > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in
>> charring.
>> > > Even
>> > > > > then,
>> > > > > > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was
>> destroyed
>> > > > > during my
>> > > > > > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
>> > > > > > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am
>> forced to
>> > > > > assume
>> > > > > > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually
>> checked the
>> > > > > focus
>> > > > > > >> and everything was fine.
>> > > > > > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know
>> what
>> > > we'd
>> > > > > do
>> > > > > > >> without them.
>> > > > > > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you
>> > > haven't
>> > > > > been
>> > > > > > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
>> > > > > > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the
>> thing to
>> > > keep
>> > > > > > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the
>> people
>> > > > > who've
>> > > > > > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens,
>> but
>> > > I'll
>> > > > > leave
>> > > > > > >> that open for debate.
> i could be over there this afternoon, say around 3 or so.
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Tom Gondek <tgon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Either of u at the space now? I could come down and check it out.
> > Tom
> > *From:* jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org>
> > *Sent:* Friday, November 02, 2012 10:36 AM
> > *To:* milwaukeemakerspace@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [MakerSpace] Re: Taking Care of the 60 watt Laser
> > i don't want to muck around with it too much. I want to walk in, load a
> > file, hit print and leave with my stuff. :/
> > It sounds like spending a few hours is currently my only option, which
> > probably means i will find something else to do instead.
> > -jason
> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I concur. Refer to my previous comment.
> >> What material are you cutting? I was, ultimately, able to cut through
> >> the 3 mil. Baltic Birch with a little tweaking. Also, apparently
> >> acrylic is cutting now. The laser might not be at full capacity, but
> >> if you use a test piece to adjust your settings, you should be just
> >> fine.
> >> On Nov 2, 10:19 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> >> > how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and get
> >> some
> >> > cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of my time.
> >> > Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
> >> > -jason
> >> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
> >> > > demonstration is a necessity.
> >> > > I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
> >> > > As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write them
> >> > > up so we can be sure not to forget anything.
> >> > > (I can't write instructions to save my life.)
> >> > > On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org> wrote:
> >> > > > are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took a
> >> > > quick
> >> > > > look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser if someone
> >> > > tells
> >> > > > me how to do it!
> >> > > > -jason
> >> > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too,
> >> unless it
> >> > > > > appears that it hasn't been used.
> >> > > > > On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two
> >> minutes to
> >> > > > > > verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it takes to check
> >> the
> >> > > glass
> >> > > > > > saves you the possible 10-30 minutes on having to lay down
> >> additional
> >> > > > > > passes.
> >> > > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I
> >> just
> >> > > > > > > neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> >> > > > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> >> > > > > > >> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter
> >> on a
> >> > > > > regular
> >> > > > > > >> basis.
> >> > > > > > >> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that
> >> no
> >> > > one had
> >> > > > > > >> cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one attempt was
> >> made
> >> > > but
> >> > > > > > >> abandoned due to a need for more training...this, I
> >> appreciate). I
> >> > > > > know
> >> > > > > > >> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> >> > > > > > >> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that was
> >> > > caused
> >> > > > > due
> >> > > > > > >> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> >> > > > > > >> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing the
> >> > > missing
> >> > > > > > >> screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on; thanks, Rich.)
> >> and put
> >> > > it
> >> > > > > back
> >> > > > > > >> together.
> >> > > > > > >> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another
> >> type of
> >> > > > > cut-out
> >> > > > > > >> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in
> >> charring.
> >> > > Even
> >> > > > > then,
> >> > > > > > >> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was
> >> destroyed
> >> > > > > during my
> >> > > > > > >> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> >> > > > > > >> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am
> >> forced to
> >> > > > > assume
> >> > > > > > >> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually
> >> checked the
> >> > > > > focus
> >> > > > > > >> and everything was fine.
> >> > > > > > >> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know
> >> what
> >> > > we'd
> >> > > > > do
> >> > > > > > >> without them.
> >> > > > > > >> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you
> >> > > haven't
> >> > > > > been
> >> > > > > > >> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> >> > > > > > >> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the
> >> thing to
> >> > > keep
> >> > > > > > >> records of who's been using it. I'd also like to see the
> >> people
> >> > > > > who've
> >> > > > > > >> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens,
> >> but
> >> > > I'll
> >> > > > > leave
> >> > > > > > >> that open for debate.
Even if it's something as simple as a list... just think of what you
are going to do when there is a video, and write it out... would it
look like this?
1. Make sure laser is powered off.
2. Open lid, slide to middle.
3. Remove front red panel on laser carriage.
3. Remove lens assembly.
4. Clean lens with cleaning solution and cleaning paper.
5. Re-assemble.
If this is wrong, or I missed steps, please correct it!
Heck, I'll get it all on the wiki if someone can just outline the
basic steps.
Pete
On 11/2/12 10:19 AM, jason gessner wrote: > how about a written stab at it
first? I would love to go over and
> get some cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a
waste of
> my time. Written instructions are better than nothing, for
sure!
>
> -jason
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane
<Imperil@hotmail.com
> <mailto:Imperil@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a
video
> demonstration is a necessity.
>
> I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
>
> As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to
write
> them up so we can be sure not to forget anything. (I can't
write
> instructions to save my life.)
>
>
> On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org
> <mailto:ja...@multiply.org>> wrote:
>> are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki
yet? I took
>> a quick look and didn't see them. I will happily clean
the laser
>> if someone tells me how to do it!
>>
>> -jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane
<Impe...@hotmail.com
>> <mailto:Impe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it,
too,
>>> unless it appears that it hasn't been used.
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian
<edhagop...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:edhagop...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> I check it every single time I use it. It takes
all of two
>>>> minutes to verify things aren't sketchy. The two
minutes it
>>>> takes to check the glass saves you the possible
10-30 minutes
>>>> on having to lay down additional passes.
>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5,
Steve Pilon
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I used the laser on the night of the 21st and
did clean it, I
>>>>> just neglected to record it now that I think
about it.
>>
>>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM
UTC-5, Shane wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I seem to be the only one willing to
clean the laser cutter
>>>>>> on a
>>> regular
>>>>>> basis.
>>
>>>>>> When I came in after a long morning at
Lennox, I found that
>>>>>> no one had cleaned it since I had on the
18th (although one
>>>>>> attempt was made but abandoned due to a
need for more
>>>>>> training...this, I appreciate). I
>>> know
>>>>>> that it's been in use plenty since then.
>>
>>>>>> When I took it apart, it looked horrible.
The spot that
>>>>>> was caused
>>> due
>>>>>> to focusing issues early on appears to
have grown larger.
>>
>>>>>> I cleaned everything as best I could
(including replacing
>>>>>> the missing screw that holds the
air-assist nozzle on;
>>>>>> thanks, Rich.) and put it
>>> back
>>>>>> together.
>>
>>>>>> What should have been a single-pass cut
(yes, for another
>>>>>> type of
>>> cut-out
>>>>>> box) took multiple cuts which, of course,
resulted in
>>>>>> charring. Even
>>> then,
>>>>>> it still didn't cut all the way through.
The piece was
>>>>>> destroyed
>>> during my
>>>>>> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
>>
>>>>>> I've had no problem cutting these things
before, so I am
>>>>>> forced to
>>> assume
>>>>>> it was due to the damage on the lens as I
had manually
>>>>>> checked the
>>> focus
>>>>>> and everything was fine.
>>
>>>>>> Please, people. These things aren't cheap
and I don't know
>>>>>> what we'd
>>> do
>>>>>> without them.
>>
>>>>>> Recognize that expensive tools require
maintenance. If you
>>>>>> haven't
>>> been
>>>>>> trained in cleaning the laser cutter,
then don't use it.
>>
>>>>>> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID
lockout on the
>>>>>> thing to keep records of who's been using
it. I'd also
>>>>>> like to see the people
>>> who've
>>>>>> been using it but not cleaning it, pony
up for a new lens,
>>>>>> but I'll
>>> leave
>>>>>> that open for debate.
>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>
>>> --
>>
>> -- -jason
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- -jason
>
> --
>
>
>
I concur. However, following the steps listed in the user manual upon
removing the 3 (actually only 2 were present) thumbscrews the red cover did
not want to budge. The manual said to pull it straight out. I pulled with
some force and it didn't give. At that point rather than pulling harder
and ruining something I put the cover back on and made a note on the
cleaning log. Given this a video would be much better at showing exactly
the method to use to open and then clean the optics.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> First stab please!
> Even if it's something as simple as a list... just think of what you are
> going to do when there is a video, and write it out... would it look like
> this?
> 1. Make sure laser is powered off.
> 2. Open lid, slide to middle.
> 3. Remove front red panel on laser carriage.
> 3. Remove lens assembly.
> 4. Clean lens with cleaning solution and cleaning paper.
> 5. Re-assemble.
> If this is wrong, or I missed steps, please correct it!
> Heck, I'll get it all on the wiki if someone can just outline the basic
> steps.
> Pete
> On 11/2/12 10:19 AM, jason gessner wrote:
> > how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and
> > get some cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of
> > my time. Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
> > -jason
> > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com
> > <mailto:Impe...@hotmail.com> <Impe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
> > demonstration is a necessity.
> > I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
> > As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write
> > them up so we can be sure not to forget anything. (I can't write
> > instructions to save my life.)
> > On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org
> > <mailto:ja...@multiply.org> <ja...@multiply.org>> wrote:
> >> are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took
> >> a quick look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser
> >> if someone tells me how to do it!
> >> -jason
> >> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com
> >> <mailto:Impe...@hotmail.com> <Impe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too,
> >>> unless it appears that it hasn't been used.
> >>> On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:edhagop...@gmail.com> <edhagop...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>> I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two
> >>>> minutes to verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it
> >>>> takes to check the glass saves you the possible 10-30 minutes
> >>>> on having to lay down additional passes.
> >>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I
> >>>>> just neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> >>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> >>>>>> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter
> >>>>>> on a
> >>> regular
> >>>>>> basis.
> >>>>>> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that
> >>>>>> no one had cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one
> >>>>>> attempt was made but abandoned due to a need for more
> >>>>>> training...this, I appreciate). I
> >>> know
> >>>>>> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> >>>>>> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that
> >>>>>> was caused
> >>> due
> >>>>>> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> >>>>>> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing
> >>>>>> the missing screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on;
> >>>>>> thanks, Rich.) and put it
> >>> back
> >>>>>> together.
> >>>>>> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another
> >>>>>> type of
> >>> cut-out
> >>>>>> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in
> >>>>>> charring. Even
> >>> then,
> >>>>>> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was
> >>>>>> destroyed
> >>> during my
> >>>>>> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> >>>>>> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am
> >>>>>> forced to
> >>> assume
> >>>>>> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually
> >>>>>> checked the
> >>> focus
> >>>>>> and everything was fine.
> >>>>>> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know
> >>>>>> what we'd
> >>> do
> >>>>>> without them.
> >>>>>> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you
> >>>>>> haven't
> >>> been
> >>>>>> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> >>>>>> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the
> >>>>>> thing to keep records of who's been using it. I'd also
> >>>>>> like to see the people
> >>> who've
> >>>>>> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens,
> >>>>>> but I'll
> >>> leave
> >>>>>> that open for debate.
Yeah, for now you need to remove the two screws towards the bottom of
the plate, too.
These hold on to the lens-holder. In order to get that out, there is
a technique to gently pry it out, but it's surgical because you must
make sure not to scratch the lens....
...And this, then, is why I want to make a video. :D
On Nov 2, 11:38 am, David Buggs <david.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I concur. However, following the steps listed in the user manual upon
> removing the 3 (actually only 2 were present) thumbscrews the red cover did
> not want to budge. The manual said to pull it straight out. I pulled with
> some force and it didn't give. At that point rather than pulling harder
> and ruining something I put the cover back on and made a note on the
> cleaning log. Given this a video would be much better at showing exactly
> the method to use to open and then clean the optics.
> Buggs
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > First stab please!
> > Even if it's something as simple as a list... just think of what you are
> > going to do when there is a video, and write it out... would it look like
> > this?
> > 1. Make sure laser is powered off.
> > 2. Open lid, slide to middle.
> > 3. Remove front red panel on laser carriage.
> > 3. Remove lens assembly.
> > 4. Clean lens with cleaning solution and cleaning paper.
> > 5. Re-assemble.
> > If this is wrong, or I missed steps, please correct it!
> > Heck, I'll get it all on the wiki if someone can just outline the basic
> > steps.
> > Pete
> > On 11/2/12 10:19 AM, jason gessner wrote:
> > > how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and
> > > get some cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of
> > > my time. Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
> > > -jason
> > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com
> > > <mailto:Impe...@hotmail.com> <Impe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > > I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
> > > demonstration is a necessity.
> > > I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
> > > As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write
> > > them up so we can be sure not to forget anything. (I can't write
> > > instructions to save my life.)
> > > On Nov 2, 9:59 am, jason gessner <ja...@multiply.org
> > > <mailto:ja...@multiply.org> <ja...@multiply.org>> wrote:
> > >> are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took
> > >> a quick look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser
> > >> if someone tells me how to do it!
> > >> -jason
> > >> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shane <Impe...@hotmail.com
> > >> <mailto:Impe...@hotmail.com> <Impe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>> I concur. I always check it first. Usually clean it, too,
> > >>> unless it appears that it hasn't been used.
> > >>> On Nov 2, 9:32 am, Ed Hagopian <edhagop...@gmail.com
> > >>> <mailto:edhagop...@gmail.com> <edhagop...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>> I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two
> > >>>> minutes to verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it
> > >>>> takes to check the glass saves you the possible 10-30 minutes
> > >>>> on having to lay down additional passes.
> > >>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I
> > >>>>> just neglected to record it now that I think about it.
> > >>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
> > >>>>>> I seem to be the only one willing to clean the laser cutter
> > >>>>>> on a
> > >>> regular
> > >>>>>> basis.
> > >>>>>> When I came in after a long morning at Lennox, I found that
> > >>>>>> no one had cleaned it since I had on the 18th (although one
> > >>>>>> attempt was made but abandoned due to a need for more
> > >>>>>> training...this, I appreciate). I
> > >>> know
> > >>>>>> that it's been in use plenty since then.
> > >>>>>> When I took it apart, it looked horrible. The spot that
> > >>>>>> was caused
> > >>> due
> > >>>>>> to focusing issues early on appears to have grown larger.
> > >>>>>> I cleaned everything as best I could (including replacing
> > >>>>>> the missing screw that holds the air-assist nozzle on;
> > >>>>>> thanks, Rich.) and put it
> > >>> back
> > >>>>>> together.
> > >>>>>> What should have been a single-pass cut (yes, for another
> > >>>>>> type of
> > >>> cut-out
> > >>>>>> box) took multiple cuts which, of course, resulted in
> > >>>>>> charring. Even
> > >>> then,
> > >>>>>> it still didn't cut all the way through. The piece was
> > >>>>>> destroyed
> > >>> during my
> > >>>>>> attempt to extract it via X-acto knife.
> > >>>>>> I've had no problem cutting these things before, so I am
> > >>>>>> forced to
> > >>> assume
> > >>>>>> it was due to the damage on the lens as I had manually
> > >>>>>> checked the
> > >>> focus
> > >>>>>> and everything was fine.
> > >>>>>> Please, people. These things aren't cheap and I don't know
> > >>>>>> what we'd
> > >>> do
> > >>>>>> without them.
> > >>>>>> Recognize that expensive tools require maintenance. If you
> > >>>>>> haven't
> > >>> been
> > >>>>>> trained in cleaning the laser cutter, then don't use it.
> > >>>>>> At this point, I'm all for having an RFID lockout on the
> > >>>>>> thing to keep records of who's been using it. I'd also
> > >>>>>> like to see the people
> > >>> who've
> > >>>>>> been using it but not cleaning it, pony up for a new lens,
> > >>>>>> but I'll
> > >>> leave
> > >>>>>> that open for debate.
Naw, it's cool... I could shoot & edit the video, but probably
not for another week or two.
In the meantime, and written instructions might help people get
familiar with the procedure. ;)
Pete
On 11/2/12 11:52 AM, Shane wrote:
Yeah, for now you need to remove the two screws towards the bottom of
the plate, too.
These hold on to the lens-holder. In order to get that out, there is
a technique to gently pry it out, but it's surgical because you must
make sure not to scratch the lens....
...And this, then, is why I want to make a video. :D
On Nov 2, 11:38 am, David Buggs <david.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
I concur. However, following the steps listed in the user manual upon
removing the 3 (actually only 2 were present) thumbscrews the red cover did
not want to budge. The manual said to pull it straight out. I pulled with
some force and it didn't give. At that point rather than pulling harder
and ruining something I put the cover back on and made a note on the
cleaning log. Given this a video would be much better at showing exactly
the method to use to open and then clean the optics.
Buggs
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Pete Prodoehl <ras...@gmail.com> wrote:
First stab please!
Even if it's something as simple as a list... just think of what you are
going to do when there is a video, and write it out... would it look like
this?
1. Make sure laser is powered off.
2. Open lid, slide to middle.
3. Remove front red panel on laser carriage.
3. Remove lens assembly.
4. Clean lens with cleaning solution and cleaning paper.
5. Re-assemble.
If this is wrong, or I missed steps, please correct it!
Heck, I'll get it all on the wiki if someone can just outline the basic
steps.
Pete
On 11/2/12 10:19 AM, jason gessner wrote:
how about a written stab at it first? I would love to go over and
get some cutting done today but i am convinced it will be a waste of
my time. Written instructions are better than nothing, for sure!
I'm of the opinion that, while instructions should be up, a video
demonstration is a necessity.
I will volunteer, if someone will record me.
As to written instructions, I'd like Tom Go. or Jason H. to write
them up so we can be sure not to forget anything. (I can't write
instructions to save my life.)
are the instructions for cleaning written on the wiki yet? I took
a quick look and didn't see them. I will happily clean the laser
if someone tells me how to do it!
I check it every single time I use it. It takes all of two
minutes to verify things aren't sketchy. The two minutes it
takes to check the glass saves you the possible 10-30 minutes
on having to lay down additional passes.
On Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:29:17 PM UTC-5, Steve Pilon
wrote:
I used the laser on the night of the 21st and did clean it, I
just neglected to record it now that I think about it.
On Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:43:57 PM UTC-5, Shane wrote:
