Received: by 10.180.74.74 with SMTP id r10mr567518wiv.3.1353177474982; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.99.65 with SMTP id eo1ls944135wib.25.gmail; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.216.7 with SMTP id f7mr3069824eep.4.1353177474510; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.216.7 with SMTP id f7mr3069821eep.4.1353177474485; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mail-ea0-f177.google.com (mail-ea0-f177.google.com [209.85.215.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8si1234152een.1.2012.11.17.10.37.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of hal...@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.177; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of hal...@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=hal...@gmail.com; dkim=pass header...@gmail.com Received: by mail-ea0-f177.google.com with SMTP id n13so1891977eaa.22 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=IISXNi9UFx+25BkW4zXc973GSQJjL5m/SPxkvlQvDs8=; b=LGzvefFyl6WZ7Eij2UQl3MGT9ckBFCeDSgbWYnrmOonjfQSIG3J14Ix7ODkgjc75aO jO2chGovYV8NmA3r01oCAh8AqR/FC01ZadZWlCuxkDs+CdRuIlZWL529eIUdiQYs8tID JyjDiAppWyWU1hO6p3324jLme44REYZhpoB6Ei86UI2uPoEMlFME3574wZfdXUVB2Arc PxYxOIUuLK3/tfUyxg7j9PajKFHsexqTxMhH+/hdG8PMVzeQ5Q4qNhcrT79D0FQBgCGZ 4f1bj0OidLDGEjS4MqXDZ19rhlokQxNuwloBW5XWdCuRNrt9bEJIflsYKpbWcjQ2pSBM Yajg== Received: by 10.14.221.9 with SMTP id q9mr8582874eep.3.1353177474363; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.199.198 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <228546762-1353177394-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-8844248...@b25.c24.bise6.blackberry> References: <1101405769-1353176886-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-9888353...@b25.c24.bise6.blackberry> <228546762-1353177394-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-8844248...@b25.c24.bise6.blackberry> From: Joe Ferguson Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:37:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last To: "midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6049baad739904ceb52e60 --047d7b6049baad739904ceb52e60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We will be there until at least July 2014 On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:36 PM, wrote: > ** > Long term, plumbing is worth it. But the move to the new space happened > after I went into exile in Mississippi, so I haven't seen it and don't know > if we're going to be there for a couple years. > > > P() > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > ------------------------------ > *From: * Joe Ferguson > *Sender: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com > *Date: *Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:33:00 -0600 > *To: *midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com > *ReplyTo: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com > *Subject: *Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last > > Even with the shelf life, it may be cheaper over time than running > plumbing. It may come down to a initial cost VS long term cost issue. > > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Kara Ferguson wrote: > >> Bottled water eye stations typically have to be replaced every six >> months. The solution has a shelf life. >> On Nov 17, 2012 12:28 PM, wrote: >> >>> ** >>> I've seen places using either running water eyewash stations or, less >>> often, bottled water eyewash stations. The bottled water should be a >>> smaller investment, is it worth the savings? >>> >>> P() >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * Joe Ferguson >>> *Sender: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com >>> *Date: *Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:10:50 -0600 >>> *To: *midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com >>> *ReplyTo: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com >>> *Subject: *Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last >>> >>> Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The >>> effort so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the >>> stuff we need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up >>> the cost of each category and report back outlining the items like you have >>> already, but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy >>> all these items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can >>> be purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff >>> we need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I >>> think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on >>> the website it would be easier for all members to see. >>> >>> If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to >>> me and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to >>> hassle with that. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten wrote: >>> >>>> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns >>>> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of >>>> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd >>>> rather bring this to everyone's attention. >>>> >>>> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal >>>> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe >>>> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within >>>> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals >>>> in the eyes while working. >>>> >>>> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very >>>> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we >>>> would basically need: >>>> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per >>>> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power. >>>> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt >>>> the flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit. >>>> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition >>>> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate >>>> the presence of power on each of the hot lines >>>> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the >>>> e-stops to the contactor >>>> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor, >>>> indicator, push to reset button. >>>> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes. >>>> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring. >>>> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or >>>> machines. >>>> >>>> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the >>>> solution fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation. >>>> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid. >>>> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection. >>>> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an >>>> various chemicals around the shop. >>>> >>>> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety >>>> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need >>>> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and >>>> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can >>>> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some >>>> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher >>>> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our >>>> space as safe as possible. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Joe Ferguson >>> http://www.midsouthmakers.org >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- > - Joe Ferguson > http://www.midsouthmakers.org > > > > -- - Joe Ferguson http://www.midsouthmakers.org --047d7b6049baad739904ceb52e60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We will be there until at least July 2014



On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:36 PM= , <paul.kos...@gmail.com> wrote:
Long term, plumbing is worth it.= But the move to the new space happened after I went into exile in Mississi= ppi, so I haven't seen it and don't know if we're going to be t= here for a couple years.


P()
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
From: = Joe Ferguson <hal= o...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:33:00 -0600
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last

<= /div>Even with the shelf life, it may be cheaper over time than running plu= mbing. It may come down to a initial cost VS long term cost issue.


On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Kara F= erguson <karamf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bottled water eye stations typically have= to be replaced every six months. The solution has a shelf life.

On Nov 17, 2012 12:28 PM, <paul.kos...@gmail.com> wro= te:
I've seen places using either running water eyewash station= s or, less often, bottled water eyewash stations. The bottled water should = be a smaller investment, is it worth the savings?

P()
Sent via B= lackBerry by AT&T
From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:10:50 -0600
To: mid= south-makers@googlegroups.com<midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last

<= /div>Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The eff= ort so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the stuf= f we need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up the = cost of each category and report back outlining the items like you have alr= eady, but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy a= ll these items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can = be purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff w= e need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff,= I think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined = on the website it would be easier for all members to see.=A0

If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just = shoot it to me and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don'= ;t want to hassle with that.

Thanks,


On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten= <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:

--
- Joe Fergus= on
http://ww= w.midsouthmakers.org





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http://www.midsouthmakers.org





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- Joe Ferguson
http://www.midsouthmakers.org


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