I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd rather bring this to everyone's attention.
Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals in the eyes while working.
E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we would basically need: E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power. 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt the flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit. Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate the presence of power on each of the hot lines Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the e-stops to the contactor Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor, indicator, push to reset button. SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes. 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring. THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or machines.
Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the solution fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation. Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid. Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection. Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an various chemicals around the shop.
While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our space as safe as possible.
Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The effort
so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the stuff we
need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up the cost
of each category and report back outlining the items like you have already,
but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy all these
items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can be
purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff we
need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I
think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on
the website it would be easier for all members to see.
If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to me
and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to hassle
with that.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns
> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of
> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd
> rather bring this to everyone's attention.
> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal
> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe
> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within
> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals
> in the eyes while working.
> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very
> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we
> would basically need:
> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per
> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power.
> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt the
> flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit.
> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition
> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate
> the presence of power on each of the hot lines
> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the
> e-stops to the contactor
> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor,
> indicator, push to reset button.
> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes.
> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring.
> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or
> machines.
> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the solution
> fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation.
> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid.
> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection.
> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an various
> chemicals around the shop.
> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety
> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need
> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and
> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can
> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some
> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher
> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our
> space as safe as possible.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The effort
> so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the stuff we
> need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up the cost
> of each category and report back outlining the items like you have already,
> but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy all these
> items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can be
> purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff we
> need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I
> think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on
> the website it would be easier for all members to see.
> If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to me
> and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to hassle
> with that.
> Thanks,
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns
>> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of
>> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd
>> rather bring this to everyone's attention.
>> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal
>> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe
>> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within
>> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals
>> in the eyes while working.
>> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very
>> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we
>> would basically need:
>> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per
>> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power.
>> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt
>> the flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit.
>> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition
>> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate
>> the presence of power on each of the hot lines
>> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the
>> e-stops to the contactor
>> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor,
>> indicator, push to reset button.
>> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes.
>> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring.
>> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or
>> machines.
>> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the
>> solution fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation.
>> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid.
>> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection.
>> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an various
>> chemicals around the shop.
>> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety
>> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need
>> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and
>> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can
>> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some
>> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher
>> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our
>> space as safe as possible.
> What about adding a priority to the items (or at least what you think the
> priorty is :) )
> Danny
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The effort
>> so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the stuff we
>> need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up the cost
>> of each category and report back outlining the items like you have already,
>> but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy all these
>> items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can be
>> purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff we
>> need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I
>> think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on
>> the website it would be easier for all members to see.
>> If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to
>> me and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to
>> hassle with that.
>> Thanks,
>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns
>>> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of
>>> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd
>>> rather bring this to everyone's attention.
>>> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal
>>> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe
>>> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within
>>> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals
>>> in the eyes while working.
>>> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very
>>> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we
>>> would basically need:
>>> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per
>>> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power.
>>> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt
>>> the flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit.
>>> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition
>>> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate
>>> the presence of power on each of the hot lines
>>> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the
>>> e-stops to the contactor
>>> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor,
>>> indicator, push to reset button.
>>> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes.
>>> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring.
>>> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or
>>> machines.
>>> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the
>>> solution fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation.
>>> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid.
>>> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection.
>>> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an various
>>> chemicals around the shop.
>>> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety
>>> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need
>>> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and
>>> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can
>>> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some
>>> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher
>>> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our
>>> space as safe as possible.
I've seen places using either running water eyewash stations or, less often, bottled water eyewash stations. The bottled water should be a smaller investment, is it worth the savings?
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
Sender: midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:10:50 To: midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com<midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last
Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The effort
so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the stuff we
need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up the cost
of each category and report back outlining the items like you have already,
but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy all these
items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can be
purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff we
need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I
think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on
the website it would be easier for all members to see.
If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to me
and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to hassle
with that.
Thanks,
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns
> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of
> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd
> rather bring this to everyone's attention.
> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal
> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe
> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within
> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals
> in the eyes while working.
> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very
> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we
> would basically need:
> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per
> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power.
> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt the
> flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit.
> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition
> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate
> the presence of power on each of the hot lines
> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the
> e-stops to the contactor
> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor,
> indicator, push to reset button.
> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes.
> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring.
> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or
> machines.
> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the solution
> fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation.
> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid.
> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection.
> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an various
> chemicals around the shop.
> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety
> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need
> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and
> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can
> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some
> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher
> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our
> space as safe as possible.
Bottled water eye stations typically have to be replaced every six months.
The solution has a shelf life.
On Nov 17, 2012 12:28 PM, <paul.kos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> I've seen places using either running water eyewash stations or, less
> often, bottled water eyewash stations. The bottled water should be a
> smaller investment, is it worth the savings?
> P()
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ------------------------------
> *From: * Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
> *Sender: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:10:50 -0600
> *To: *midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com<midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com>
> *ReplyTo: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last
> Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The effort
> so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the stuff we
> need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up the cost
> of each category and report back outlining the items like you have already,
> but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy all these
> items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can be
> purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff we
> need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I
> think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on
> the website it would be easier for all members to see.
> If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to me
> and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to hassle
> with that.
> Thanks,
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns
>> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of
>> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd
>> rather bring this to everyone's attention.
>> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal
>> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe
>> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within
>> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals
>> in the eyes while working.
>> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very
>> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we
>> would basically need:
>> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per
>> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power.
>> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt
>> the flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit.
>> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition
>> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate
>> the presence of power on each of the hot lines
>> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the
>> e-stops to the contactor
>> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor,
>> indicator, push to reset button.
>> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes.
>> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring.
>> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or
>> machines.
>> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the
>> solution fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation.
>> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid.
>> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection.
>> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an various
>> chemicals around the shop.
>> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety
>> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need
>> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and
>> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can
>> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some
>> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher
>> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our
>> space as safe as possible.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Kara Ferguson <karamf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bottled water eye stations typically have to be replaced every six months.
> The solution has a shelf life.
> On Nov 17, 2012 12:28 PM, <paul.kos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> **
>> I've seen places using either running water eyewash stations or, less
>> often, bottled water eyewash stations. The bottled water should be a
>> smaller investment, is it worth the savings?
>> P()
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: * Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
>> *Sender: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
>> *Date: *Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:10:50 -0600
>> *To: *midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com<midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com>
>> *ReplyTo: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last
>> Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The effort
>> so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the stuff we
>> need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up the cost
>> of each category and report back outlining the items like you have already,
>> but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy all these
>> items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can be
>> purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff we
>> need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I
>> think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on
>> the website it would be easier for all members to see.
>> If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to
>> me and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to
>> hassle with that.
>> Thanks,
>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns
>>> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of
>>> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd
>>> rather bring this to everyone's attention.
>>> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal
>>> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe
>>> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within
>>> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals
>>> in the eyes while working.
>>> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very
>>> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we
>>> would basically need:
>>> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per
>>> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power.
>>> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt
>>> the flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit.
>>> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition
>>> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate
>>> the presence of power on each of the hot lines
>>> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the
>>> e-stops to the contactor
>>> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor,
>>> indicator, push to reset button.
>>> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes.
>>> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring.
>>> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or
>>> machines.
>>> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the
>>> solution fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation.
>>> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid.
>>> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection.
>>> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an various
>>> chemicals around the shop.
>>> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety
>>> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need
>>> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and
>>> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can
>>> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some
>>> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher
>>> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our
>>> space as safe as possible.
Long term, plumbing is worth it. But the move to the new space happened after I went into exile in Mississippi, so I haven't seen it and don't know if we're going to be there for a couple years.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
Sender: midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:33:00 To: midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com<midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last
Even with the shelf life, it may be cheaper over time than running
plumbing. It may come down to a initial cost VS long term cost issue.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Kara Ferguson <karamf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bottled water eye stations typically have to be replaced every six months.
> The solution has a shelf life.
> On Nov 17, 2012 12:28 PM, <paul.kos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> **
>> I've seen places using either running water eyewash stations or, less
>> often, bottled water eyewash stations. The bottled water should be a
>> smaller investment, is it worth the savings?
>> P()
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: * Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
>> *Sender: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
>> *Date: *Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:10:50 -0600
>> *To: *midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com<midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com>
>> *ReplyTo: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last
>> Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The effort
>> so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the stuff we
>> need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up the cost
>> of each category and report back outlining the items like you have already,
>> but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy all these
>> items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can be
>> purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff we
>> need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I
>> think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on
>> the website it would be easier for all members to see.
>> If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to
>> me and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to
>> hassle with that.
>> Thanks,
>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns
>>> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of
>>> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd
>>> rather bring this to everyone's attention.
>>> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal
>>> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe
>>> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within
>>> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals
>>> in the eyes while working.
>>> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very
>>> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we
>>> would basically need:
>>> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per
>>> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power.
>>> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt
>>> the flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit.
>>> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition
>>> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate
>>> the presence of power on each of the hot lines
>>> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the
>>> e-stops to the contactor
>>> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor,
>>> indicator, push to reset button.
>>> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes.
>>> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring.
>>> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or
>>> machines.
>>> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the
>>> solution fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation.
>>> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid.
>>> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection.
>>> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an various
>>> chemicals around the shop.
>>> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety
>>> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need
>>> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and
>>> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can
>>> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some
>>> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher
>>> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our
>>> space as safe as possible.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:36 PM, <paul.kos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> Long term, plumbing is worth it. But the move to the new space happened
> after I went into exile in Mississippi, so I haven't seen it and don't know
> if we're going to be there for a couple years.
> P()
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> *From: * Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
> *Sender: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:33:00 -0600
> *To: *midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com<midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com>
> *ReplyTo: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last
> Even with the shelf life, it may be cheaper over time than running
> plumbing. It may come down to a initial cost VS long term cost issue.
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Kara Ferguson <karamf...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Bottled water eye stations typically have to be replaced every six
>> months. The solution has a shelf life.
>> On Nov 17, 2012 12:28 PM, <paul.kos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> **
>>> I've seen places using either running water eyewash stations or, less
>>> often, bottled water eyewash stations. The bottled water should be a
>>> smaller investment, is it worth the savings?
>>> P()
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>>> *From: * Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sender: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
>>> *Date: *Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:10:50 -0600
>>> *To: *midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com<midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com>
>>> *ReplyTo: * midsouth-makers@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject: *Re: [MidsouthMakers] Safety Last
>>> Great concerns, looks to be good ideas for possible solutions. The
>>> effort so far is greatly appreciated. You / Someone should categorize the
>>> stuff we need (Chemical Safety, Lathe Safety, Mill Safety, etc) and add up
>>> the cost of each category and report back outlining the items like you have
>>> already, but with category and cost. While we wouldn't be able to go buy
>>> all these items at once, we can put them on the wiki / website and they can
>>> be purchased as needed. I know a lot of people already go buy small stuff
>>> we need every week and likely wouldn't mind chipping in on safety stuff, I
>>> think the barrier has been knowing WHAT to buy. If we have all outlined on
>>> the website it would be easier for all members to see.
>>> If someone would like to compile the rest of the info, just shoot it to
>>> me and I can take care of getting it on the wiki if you don't want to
>>> hassle with that.
>>> Thanks,
>>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I just wanted to make people aware of potential safety concerns
>>>> surrounding the new and old equipment. I have been told that this is of
>>>> low concern as it will be unlikely to make people join the group, but I'd
>>>> rather bring this to everyone's attention.
>>>> Eye wash station - Now that we have metal working as well as our normal
>>>> wood working equipment and the general plethora of chemicals. I believe
>>>> it's time we acquire an actual eye/face wash station and plumb it in within
>>>> 10 seconds of the shop area, it's all too easy to get a chip or chemicals
>>>> in the eyes while working.
>>>> E-Stop for lathe, mill, and mini lathe - I consider this to be a very
>>>> urgent thing, it should not cost a fortune but the brass tacks of it is we
>>>> would basically need:
>>>> E-Stops: ebay item# 370497654259 - Ideally you'd want 2 E-Stops per
>>>> machine wired NC in series so if any is hit it disconnects power.
>>>> 30A Contactor: ebay item# 181023963807 - This is intended to interrupt
>>>> the flow of electricity if any of the e-stops are hit.
>>>> Reset button: ebay item# 350040793332 - Push to reset the trip condition
>>>> Line indicators: ebay item# 320855093218 - We should have 2 to indicate
>>>> the presence of power on each of the hot lines
>>>> Terminal Strip: ebay item# 160740368985 - This is required to wire the
>>>> e-stops to the contactor
>>>> Enclosure: ebay item# 321015671629 - This is to house the contactor,
>>>> indicator, push to reset button.
>>>> SOOW Cable: 14awg SOOW or similar cable to run to the e-stop boxes.
>>>> 14AWG THHN: 2 colors of thhn for contactor wiring.
>>>> THHN Wire: Appropriate size THHN to run from contactor to boxes and or
>>>> machines.
>>>> Respirator with acid gas filters: Respirator for pcb etching, the
>>>> solution fumes acid as well as atomized acid from the agitation.
>>>> Long Nytrile Gloves: Gloves to provide protection from the acid.
>>>> Nytrile Apron: Apron to provide splash protection.
>>>> Chemical Splash Goggles: Provides splash protection from acid an
>>>> various chemicals around the shop.
>>>> While this may seem like an unreasonable cost at this time, safety
>>>> equipment really pays off when needed. I do feel that we really need
>>>> E-Stops for the two lathes, and mill. These tools are quite dangerous and
>>>> mistakes do happen, E-Stops are designed in a way that any limb can
>>>> activate them and cut power unlike switches an such that require some
>>>> dexterity to operate. I personally believe that we will acquire a higher
>>>> caliber of member if we show that there has been an effort to make our
>>>> space as safe as possible.
Possible Funding sources: Laser Cutter Fund. Last i heard we were still a couple grand off from this goal, what's the harm in taking 200 or 300 out to make the group a safer place. I don't feel this will impact the overall goal too much.
> Possible Funding sources: Laser Cutter Fund. Last i heard we were still a
> couple grand off from this goal, what's the harm in taking 200 or 300 out
> to make the group a safer place. I don't feel this will impact the overall
> goal too much.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for adding more info!
> On Nov 17, 2012 1:11 PM, "Kitten" <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Possible Funding sources: Laser Cutter Fund. Last i heard we were still a
>> couple grand off from this goal, what's the harm in taking 200 or 300 out
>> to make the group a safer place. I don't feel this will impact the overall
>> goal too much.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Kara Ferguson <karamf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> E-stops are purchased.
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for adding more info!
>> On Nov 17, 2012 1:11 PM, "Kitten" <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Possible Funding sources: Laser Cutter Fund. Last i heard we were still
>>> a couple grand off from this goal, what's the harm in taking 200 or 300 out
>>> to make the group a safer place. I don't feel this will impact the overall
>>> goal too much.
On Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:31:20 PM UTC-6, Kara Ferguson wrote:
> The e-stops will be here between 12/5 and 12/21. Consider that my giftmas > present to the space.
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Kara Ferguson <kara...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote:
>> E-stops are purchased.
>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote:
>>> Thanks for adding more info! >>> On Nov 17, 2012 1:11 PM, "Kitten" <ske...@gmail.com <javascript:>> >>> wrote:
>>>> Possible Funding sources: Laser Cutter Fund. Last i heard we were still >>>> a couple grand off from this goal, what's the harm in taking 200 or 300 out >>>> to make the group a safer place. I don't feel this will impact the overall >>>> goal too much.
I should have noted earlier that the E-Stop system proposed is a line voltage method, we may want to consider going to a 24V system but that'd require a 30A 2 pole minimum 24v coil contactor with aux contacts and an additional 30 dollar 24 volt din rail power supply but would be marginally safer if someone cut through a cord somehow. In the proposed system there would be a 1/4 amp fuse and fuse holder in line with the hots as well as a ground wire in the actual wiring. The purchased E-Stops are fine for either method and are in plastic enclosures so a shock risk would only be present on damaged wiring.
I personally don't feel at this time the added expense is warranted but I figured that it should be up for a group opinion/vote.
Hey.. just an aside on the wiring.. if it's a 30-Amp circuit, I think
you'll want to use 10ga copper wiring. 14ga is normally for 15-Amp
circuits.. Granted, I only really know house wiring so if I'm wrong, please
speak up.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I should have noted earlier that the E-Stop system proposed is a line
> voltage method, we may want to consider going to a 24V system but that'd
> require a 30A 2 pole minimum 24v coil contactor with aux contacts and an
> additional 30 dollar 24 volt din rail power supply but would be marginally
> safer if someone cut through a cord somehow. In the proposed system there
> would be a 1/4 amp fuse and fuse holder in line with the hots as well as a
> ground wire in the actual wiring. The purchased E-Stops are fine for either
> method and are in plastic enclosures so a shock risk would only be present
> on damaged wiring.
> I personally don't feel at this time the added expense is warranted but I
> figured that it should be up for a group opinion/vote.
The 16 or 14 AWG wire would only run from the coil on the contactor through the NO aux contacts as well as all of the NC E-Stop contacts in series. 10AWG would come into the top of the contactor main contacts and then go out the bottom o the main contacts to all protected outlets. That way if someone hits any of the E-Stops the contactor opens as well as the aux contacts and prevents the contactor from re-energizing once the fault is cleared until you hit the push to reset button which is wired as NO to power. Pressing reset energizes the coil and closes the main contacts and aux contacts allowing it to remain energized when the reset button is released.
I apologize for any confusion caused by my poor description.
On Saturday, November 17, 2012 10:13:33 PM UTC-6, Ed wrote:
> Hey.. just an aside on the wiring.. if it's a 30-Amp circuit, I think > you'll want to use 10ga copper wiring. 14ga is normally for 15-Amp > circuits.. Granted, I only really know house wiring so if I'm wrong, please > speak up.
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kitten <ske...@gmail.com <javascript:>>wrote:
>> I should have noted earlier that the E-Stop system proposed is a line >> voltage method, we may want to consider going to a 24V system but that'd >> require a 30A 2 pole minimum 24v coil contactor with aux contacts and an >> additional 30 dollar 24 volt din rail power supply but would be marginally >> safer if someone cut through a cord somehow. In the proposed system there >> would be a 1/4 amp fuse and fuse holder in line with the hots as well as a >> ground wire in the actual wiring. The purchased E-Stops are fine for either >> method and are in plastic enclosures so a shock risk would only be present >> on damaged wiring.
>> I personally don't feel at this time the added expense is warranted but I >> figured that it should be up for a group opinion/vote.
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Kitten <skel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The 16 or 14 AWG wire would only run from the coil on the contactor
> through the NO aux contacts as well as all of the NC E-Stop contacts in
> series. 10AWG would come into the top of the contactor main contacts and
> then go out the bottom o the main contacts to all protected outlets. That
> way if someone hits any of the E-Stops the contactor opens as well as the
> aux contacts and prevents the contactor from re-energizing once the fault
> is cleared until you hit the push to reset button which is wired as NO to
> power. Pressing reset energizes the coil and closes the main contacts and
> aux contacts allowing it to remain energized when the reset button is
> released.
> I apologize for any confusion caused by my poor description.
> On Saturday, November 17, 2012 10:13:33 PM UTC-6, Ed wrote:
>> Hey.. just an aside on the wiring.. if it's a 30-Amp circuit, I think
>> you'll want to use 10ga copper wiring. 14ga is normally for 15-Amp
>> circuits.. Granted, I only really know house wiring so if I'm wrong, please
>> speak up.
>> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kitten <ske...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I should have noted earlier that the E-Stop system proposed is a line
>>> voltage method, we may want to consider going to a 24V system but that'd
>>> require a 30A 2 pole minimum 24v coil contactor with aux contacts and an
>>> additional 30 dollar 24 volt din rail power supply but would be marginally
>>> safer if someone cut through a cord somehow. In the proposed system there
>>> would be a 1/4 amp fuse and fuse holder in line with the hots as well as a
>>> ground wire in the actual wiring. The purchased E-Stops are fine for either
>>> method and are in plastic enclosures so a shock risk would only be present
>>> on damaged wiring.
>>> I personally don't feel at this time the added expense is warranted but
>>> I figured that it should be up for a group opinion/vote.
