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jferguson@midsouthmakers. org  
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From: "jfergu...@midsouthmakers.org" <jfergu...@midsouthmakers.org>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:24:13 -0500
Local: Mon, May 14 2012 10:24 pm
Subject: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Greetings Makers,

As a forewarning, this email will likely be long, but is full of important
and exciting news (the board hopes you are as excited about it as we are).

On May 1st I sent out an email with some pretty vague information on the
possibility of us moving the space to the Bartlett area. We've listened to
everyone's insights from the replies of that email and we've talked to
various members who have brought up concerns to us and we've done the best
we could at the time to address those concerns. I'm sending this out to get
the info we've collected over the past 2 weeks to you.

Facts about the new space:

   - 2802 Bartlett Rd Bartlett, TN 38134
   - 2100 sq ft
   - Pictures: http://www.midsouthmakers.org/bartlett-space/
   - Front room (Shop) ~26'x30' 2 Offices ~13'x12'
   - Full bathroom (Sink, Toilet, Shower)
   - Entire space is Heated and Air Conditioned
   - Front Door, Roll up door on front wall, Rear Door
   - We plan to tear down the interior office walls to create 2 large
   spaces 1 Shop, 1 general area.
   - We will be between 2 other businesses attached to the same building

If we decide to go forward with the move our rent will go from $800/month
to $850/month. We'll be signing a two year lease. One or more board members
will be signing the lease as a personal guarantor. There will likely be
some nominal fees involved from Comcast and MLG&W to transfer our service
to the new location. There will also be a small cost involved in
duplicating new keys for all the current members. We will have to give our
current landlord 30 days notice. We have not done this yet, as we wanted to
get everyone the info and hear input first.

The board will be present at the space this Wednesday night 5/16 and at
Republic Coffee Friday 5/18 to discuss the move and answer any questions. In
order to move forward we need to hear back from the membership. We would
also like to hear from non-members since you are all potential members. The
reaction we have seen so far has been positive. We (the
board) unanimously support the decision to move to Bartlett. There has been
much discussion among the board about all the various aspects of the move
and we feel we have reached a point to bring all of this information to you
all.

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MemphisArtGuy  
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 More options May 15 2012, 10:42 am
From: MemphisArtGuy <memphisart...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 10:42 am
Subject: Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Looks way small. I think a member walk threw would be needed to get my
vote. I drove threw there last weekend check the local shops out, and they
all seem kinda small.


 
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 More options May 15 2012, 10:44 am
From: "jfergu...@midsouthmakers.org" <jfergu...@midsouthmakers.org>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:44:48 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

The total square footage is smaller than what we currently have. The thing
to remember is this will be 100% completely ours. The total space we have
this is "ours" I believe is less than 2100 sq ft.

The other reason it's likely looking smaller is that the current tenant has
an amazing amount of crap in there.

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 More options May 15 2012, 10:47 am
From: "jfergu...@midsouthmakers.org" <jfergu...@midsouthmakers.org>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:47:25 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

I'd love to do a member walk through. However the Realtor/landlord will
only do a walk through during business hours (8-5 Mon-Friday) Is there a
particular day of the week that would be better for members to meet up
there?

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Ed Stafford  
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 More options May 15 2012, 11:45 am
From: Ed Stafford <ed.staff...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:45:40 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 11:45 am
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Can you get some measured floor plans from the Realtor?  Specifically
regarding the office space?  Also, do they have restrictions on things such
as bottles of acetylene, O2, etc?

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Dan Hess  
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 More options May 15 2012, 12:10 pm
From: Dan Hess <dan9...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:10:15 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

On the small vs big and what we have vs 2100sqft, I do think this is
something worth being concerned with, but I also I think there is a very
good point to make about it.

Keep in mind this isn't the only place we've even looked at.  We've
inquired about 4 or 5 different places, and with more than one realtor.
 We've been laughed at when we tell them our price point.  And this place
in Bartlett, we had to really swing some deals to even get it down to
$850/mo.  They originally wanted $1000/mo.  Bottom line of it all, it
wasn't easy finding somewhere that met a large portion of our needs that
also fell within our price point that we could even hope to afford.  This
means that we come to a very unfortunate truth of the matter, in order to
get more space we need more money coming in every month.  Until we can get
that, there is no point in even hoping to get more space.

Thanks,

Daniel H.
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Danny Chamberlin  
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 More options May 15 2012, 12:16 pm
From: Danny Chamberlin <critte...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:16:20 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Speaking of ways to get money, I saw that Maker's Local 256 is the
beneficiary of the DeepSouthCon 50 charity auction at the convention (in
Huntsville) in June. I also saw an article about another makerspace
starting a kickstarter project - just a couple of things to cogitate about
(I can tell you that MSC's Charity Auction is already dedicated)

Danny


 
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Dan Hess  
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 More options May 15 2012, 12:23 pm
From: Dan Hess <dan9...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:23:26 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

While linked to what I mentioned (and ideas for money are always
important), if you don't mind starting a separate thread for that.  It
would be preferential for this to remain about issues and concerns (or
hu-rahs) directly connected to the potential space.

Thanks,

Daniel H.
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 More options May 15 2012, 12:25 pm
From: gatesofmemphis <gatesofmemp...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Here's the zoning map of Bartlett,
http://www.cityofbartlett.org/DocumentView.aspx?DID=219.  It appears that
the space would be CG-MS.

Here's the Bartlett Zoning Ordinance,
http://www.cityofbartlett.org/DocumentView.aspx?DID=973, including a
permitted use table.


 
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 More options May 15 2012, 12:56 pm
From: gatesofmemphis <gatesofmemp...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

re: space size, if it's continuous and not shared, it's a major
improvement.  However, I imagine we'll have a problem with storage of
donated stuff and in-between projects.


 
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 More options May 15 2012, 12:58 pm
From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:58:44 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

You're definitely right, space is going to become a premium and what it is
going to mean for a few members is that they won't be able to house all of
their projects at the space. And we won't be able to store everything we're
currently storing.

The space will be 2 large rooms. see
http://www.midsouthmakers.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Ghetto-Drawi...
for a rough idea.

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> re: space size, if it's continuous and not shared, it's a major
> improvement.  However, I imagine we'll have a problem with storage of
> donated stuff and in-between projects.

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 More options May 15 2012, 1:04 pm
From: gatesofmemphis <gatesofmemp...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

re: zoning, very quickly it looks like MSM would be non-conforming to the
CG-MS zoning.  


 
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Joe Ferguson  
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 More options May 15 2012, 1:05 pm
From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:05:30 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

In what way?

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 More options May 15 2012, 1:15 pm
From: gatesofmemphis <gatesofmemp...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:15:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Assuming a blank means not-permitted, according to the permitted use table
we wouldn't be able to do anything in the Industrial category.


 
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From: gatesofmemphis <gatesofmemp...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 10:23:47 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Note that non-conforming may not mean we can't do it (
http://real-estate-law.freeadvice.com/real-estate-law/zoning/non_conf...) just
that we should talk to a zoning official before signing a lease.


 
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Joe Ferguson  
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 More options May 15 2012, 1:27 pm
From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:27:40 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Interesting. I assumed we would be classified as Services: Personal since
we are a private group.

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Trent Bontly  
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 More options May 15 2012, 1:34 pm
From: Trent Bontly <trent.bon...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:34:04 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Better make sure, Bartlett is anal about zoning, I would see if you can
make sure the lease covers it too, so if zoning changes or they just decide
that MSM should be reclassified.  Also I couldn't tell from the photos, is
there a 'yard' area?

On May 15, 2012, at 12:28, Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting. I assumed we would be classified as Services: Personal since
we are a private group.

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 More options May 15 2012, 1:47 pm
From: Dan Hess <dan9...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:47:06 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Cliff may be able to speak to it better, but he knows of a sign shop very
close by that does a decent bit of metal working.  I would think it would
be safe to assume they do welding of some sort.

According to the landlord it is zoned light industrial already, and when
asked about several of our areas of interest seemed to not bat an eye at
the notion of it.  I have a feeling that this is in part because one of the
neighbors in the building in the same lot does, from what I understand,
some extensive car work/repair/rebuilding.  That too I would think is well
above and beyond anything that we want to do.

Just so it be known, Ben has also already contacted the code enforcement
for Bartlett to see if we could get details on the area for some of the
things we know we'd like to do.  Nothing negative back yet, but we've also
not heard anything back from them either.

Thanks,

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 More options May 15 2012, 1:56 pm
From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 12:56:16 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

I contacted City Planning and Zoning and am currently waiting on the City
Planner to return from lunch.

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 More options May 15 2012, 2:21 pm
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Yeah, those uses may not apply as we don't provide those services to the
public.  


 
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Cliff Gurlen  
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 More options May 15 2012, 2:54 pm
From: Cliff Gurlen <cliff.gur...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:54:54 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

The sign company I have ties to (Frank Balton Sign) is on Pleasant View and
is in Memphis so Bartlett code is not involved.  One item of note is: as I
read the code, repairs/welding/etc would need to be indoors.

cliff


 
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 More options May 15 2012, 4:56 pm
From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:56:48 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Talked to the City Planner for Bartlett. Told her who we were and what we
were going to be doing and she said that would be no problem at all. The
only catch is we can't just put any signage on the door / windows. We have
to get it approved by the city and I've got the contact info of who we need
to go through for that.

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:23:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Excellent!


 
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Ben Eishen  
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 More options May 15 2012, 6:15 pm
From: Ben Eishen <b...@eishen.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:15:48 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Woot! Woot!
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9160 Hwy. 64, Suite 12-302, Lakeland, TN 38002

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 More options May 15 2012, 7:18 pm
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:18:14 -0500
Local: Tues, May 15 2012 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Re: Potential Space / Moving MidsouthMakers to Bartlett

Can I get excited now?

CD
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