Gas Lawn Mower engine

[Daniel Kohn]

Hi all,

As I said at the meeting last night:

I have a lawn mower with a Briggs and Stratton engine on it that runs for a minute or two and dies. Probably someone with some mechanical ability could get the engine back up and going (it has not been maintained AT ALL), but I just don't want to deal with it. So it anyone has a project they need a small engine for (go cart, generator etc) let me know and I can bring the mower to the space.

Dan Kohn

[paul....@gmail.com]

I'm in.

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Subject: [MidsouthMakers] Gas Lawn Mower engine

[Ed Stafford]

Sounds like one of the following:

1) Air filter needs replacing
2) Fuel pump check valve has gone bad, needs replacing
3) Carb needs rebuild kit

About $15-20 to fix all of it.

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Ed Stafford

[paul....@gmail.com]

Brought it in?

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Subject: [MidsouthMakers] Gas Lawn Mower engine

[Daniel Kohn]

Will get it to the space Fri or Sat.

All I ask is that it is used for a maker project and NOT taken to someones house to be used as a lawn mower and that you share what was done with the group!

See ya friday

On Jun 7, 2011 10:24 AM, <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brought it in?
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[Danny Chamberlin]

I would say that we first go ahead and remove the blade for safety's sake before we do anything with it (this will also hopefully motivate us to repurpose it)

Danny

[paul....@gmail.com]

Nope, fix the problem first, don't want to fix it without a load.

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[John Wood]

I'd take that as Paul volunteering to be a load

[paul....@gmail.com]

I was thinking of making a swampboat or personal hovercraft, it'd be too heavy for a flying machine.

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[Danny Chamberlin]

I think a hovercraft would be a great group project-it would combine a lot of our diverse skills and be a bit of an eyecatcher we can build publicity off of...especially if we innovate, like monitor air pressure with an arduino, remote control it, etc...

Danny

On Jun 9, 2011 7:50 AM, <paul....@gmail.com> wrote:

[Ed Stafford]

Just as a recommendation - Go with a belt-driven go-kart first.. It's
a simple enough design, and doesn't require as many moving parts..
Plus it'd help with that welding practice that a lot of folks
mentioned.

Then, if you're feeling frisky; vamp the engine up with your own
injectors/blowers/etc. and see if you can make a 3.5HP engine hit
around 8-10HP :)

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Ed Stafford

[Trent Bontly]

that takes all the fun out of it.  And I actually know a guy who stuck his hand under one and lost three fingers
Trent A. Bontly

[Trent Bontly]

I agree with the go Kart first, and definitely as a group project

[Sonny Mounicou]

I think you'll be hard pressed to build a hovercraft that will support
a human off of a push mower sized motor. To also support a fan would
require the creation of a transmission which is most likely above and
beyond the scope here. Creating a go-kart would be cool. The
transmission from the mower could likely be reused depending upon the
torque requirements. I'd vote for the go-kart ...

[Mark Turnage]

Is a hovercraft possible? Yes. There was an early Mythbusters episode
where they did it with electric leafblower motors.

Is it a good idea? Not really. Go-Kart would not only be easier, it'd
be a lot more fun to build IMHO. There's quite a few sites and plans
out there.
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Mark Turnage

[Mark Turnage]

Not to mention it could make for one helluva R/C or robotics project
at some point... <g>

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Mark Turnage

[Trent Bontly]

put a gun on it and..... sorry
Trent A. Bontly

[John Wood]

Mythbusters used leaf blowers as far as a proof of concept. But I can see the point.

The go kart would be a nice idea as long as we put the "Maker" spin on it in some fashion

[Mark Turnage]

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:33 AM, John Wood <jwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The go kart would be a nice idea as long as we put the "Maker" spin on it in
> some fashion

I can give you a perfect example, but it's going to take some hunting
on the group's part: bamboo frame. Done properly, it'd be as sturdy as
anything else we'd have. Just a matter of scouting out local patches.

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Mark Turnage

[paul....@gmail.com]

I think I was the first to ask for the engine, and I STILL want a personal hovercraft, but I'm fine with it going to a group project go-kart, as long as there's a crew-serve paintball or airsoft weapon on it (hovercraft don't handle recoil well, anyway).

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Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Gas Lawn Mower engine

[Ed Stafford]

Dunno.. I'm pretty sure I could use a 3HP motor and between pulleys
and large enough props, I could probably get it off the ground..
controlling those things is another deal all together.

Slip clutch is your friend!!

Initially, I'd recommend a pulley/belt system with an idler pulley to
engage the belt. Belts you can twist the 90 degrees you'll need to go
from down-drive (where the shaft comes out of the engine) to a
side-drive without too much hassle. If you had some more
metal-oriented equipment, I'd recommend building your own worm-gear
transmission, but belts are a good way to start.

Just give it a shot and see what you guys can do together. If nothing
else, the go-cart runs, then go for a hovercraft next. I'm SURE you
guys will be able to find side-of-the-road lawnmowers all over the
place.

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Ed Stafford

[claudio donndelinger]

I have access to all the bamboo you could ask for... it's an hour and a half away however.

[Trent Bontly]

there should be some closer, they hav ea lot at the zoo

[rachel donndelinger]

I could have my dad bring up as much as he can...

Rachel J

[Ed Stafford]

Since it kinda surprised me to see Bamboo mentioned for the frame, I
did a little looking and that's one heck of an idea.. Still some
metal required for corners and mounting, but an example of a bicycle
with a bamboo frame:

http://www.bmeres.com/bambooframe.htm

Just take pictures and document for the website..

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Ed Stafford

[claudio donndelinger]

We have a TON of bamboo at my father-in-law's house in Booneville, MS. If we cut it, we can have it. There are probably diameters from .5" to maybe 4" or so. 

[trent....@gmail.com]

Does it have to be dried? How long?

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[claudio donndelinger]

I'd say around 10-25' maybe some longer. It has not been cut back in over 6 years

[Ed Stafford]

Don't think so..

2" bamboo would probably be ideal.. 4" around the edges perhaps?

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM, <trent....@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ed Stafford

[Daniel Kohn]

Mower is now at the space in the paint room, I also had the motor manual (I think it has a parts list). So now someone can have at it and see if you can bring it back from the dead.

[paul....@gmail.com]

Why is the paint room locked nowadays? Would I know if I showed up to meetings?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:56:48 -0500

[Joe Ferguson]

It was inadvertently locked by one of the landlord's employees. We should probably replace the deadbolt on that door with an actual handle.

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[paul....@gmail.com]

And my second question?

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[Daniel Hess]

You might know more if you showed up but you are welcome to remain only partly in the know if you wish. 

Daniel

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[Ed Stafford]

http://www.diygokarts.com/kart-plans/kart-plans-main.html

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Ed Stafford

[Orias/Claudio]

It's been 15 days since this has been proposed! This is an awesome
idea, it seems like an excellent learning opportunity and a great way
to get our members together to create something together. Plus its a
freaking Go-kart! There is a gas lawn mower potentially allocated for
the group go-kart project. We have access to a ATV for parts. We have
so much knowledge and so many capable people in the group that this
should be easy to pull off! It does not have to be done in a weekend.
This seems like an excellent way to get us all working together and
moving forward as a group. I'd love to be a part of this.

Is anyone going to volunteer to help lead/co-ordinate this project? We
need a plan, some motivation and some initiative! Let's make something
cool! I want to be a part of this. I'm in.

Anyone else?
Claudio

On Jun 17, 1:29 pm, Ed Stafford <ed.staff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.diygokarts.com/kart-plans/kart-plans-main.html
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> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Daniel Hess <dan9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You might know more if you showed up but you are welcome to remain only
> > partly in the know if you wish.
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> > Daniel
> > Sent from my iPhone

> > On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:03 PM, paul.kos...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > And my second question?
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> > P()
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> > ________________________________
> > From: Joe Ferguson <hal...@gmail.com>
> > Sender: midsout...@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:00:55 -0500
> > To: <midsout...@googlegroups.com>
> > ReplyTo: midsout...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Gas Lawn Mower engine
> > It was inadvertently locked by one of the landlord's employees. We should
> > probably replace the deadbolt on that door with an actual handle.
>

> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:58 PM, <paul.kos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Why is the paint room locked nowadays? Would I know if I showed up to
> >> meetings?
>
> >> P()
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> >> ________________________________

> >> From: Daniel Kohn <dkoh...@gmail.com>

> >> Sender: midsout...@googlegroups.com
> >> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:56:48 -0500
> >> To: <midsout...@googlegroups.com>
> >> ReplyTo: midsout...@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Gas Lawn Mower engine
> >> Mower is now at the space in the paint room, I also had the motor manual
> >> (I think it has a parts list). So now someone can have at it and see if you
> >> can bring it back from the dead.
>

> >> Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Ed Stafford <ed.staff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Don't think so..
>
> >>> 2" bamboo would probably be ideal.. 4" around the edges perhaps?
>

> >>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM,  <trent.bon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Does it have to be dried? How long?
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> >>> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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> >>> >________________________________

> >>> > From: claudio donndelinger <orias3...@gmail.com>

> >>> > Sender: midsout...@googlegroups.com
> >>> > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:23:33 -0500
> >>> > To: <midsout...@googlegroups.com>
> >>> > ReplyTo: midsout...@googlegroups.com
> >>> > Subject: Re: [MidsouthMakers] Gas Lawn Mower engine
> >>> > We have a TON of bamboo at my father-in-law's house in Booneville, MS.
> >>> > If we
> >>> > cut it, we can have it. There are probably diameters from .5" to maybe
> >>> > 4" or
> >>> > so.
>

> >>> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Ed Stafford <ed.staff...@gmail.com>

> >>> > wrote:
>
> >>> >> Since it kinda surprised me to see Bamboo mentioned for the frame, I
> >>> >> did a little looking and that's one heck of an idea..  Still some
> >>> >> metal required for corners and mounting, but an example of a bicycle
> >>> >> with a bamboo frame:
>
> >>> >>http://www.bmeres.com/bambooframe.htm
>
> >>> >> Just take pictures and document for the website..
>
> >>> >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:36 PM, rachel donndelinger
> >>> >> <rachel0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> > I could have my dad bring up as much as he can...
>
> >>> >> > Rachel J
>

> >>> >> > On Jun 9, 2011 1:48 PM, "claudio donndelinger" <orias3...@gmail.com>

> >>> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> I have access to all the bamboo you could ask for... it's an hour
> >>> >> >> and a
> >>> >> >> half
> >>> >> >> away however.

> >>> >> >> On Jun 9, 2011 1:29 PM, "Ed Stafford" <ed.staff...@gmail.com>

> >>> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >>> Dunno.. I'm pretty sure I could use a 3HP motor and between
> >>> >> >>> pulleys
> >>> >> >>> and large enough props, I could probably get it off the ground..
> >>> >> >>> controlling those things is another deal all together.
>
> >>> >> >>> Slip clutch is your friend!!
>
> >>> >> >>> Initially, I'd recommend a pulley/belt system with an idler pulley
> >>> >> >>> to
> >>> >> >>> engage the belt. Belts you can twist the 90 degrees you'll need to
> >>> >> >>> go
> >>> >> >>> from down-drive (where the shaft comes out of the engine) to a
> >>> >> >>> side-drive without too much hassle. If you had some more
> >>> >> >>> metal-oriented equipment, I'd recommend building your own
> >>> >> >>> worm-gear
> >>> >> >>> transmission, but belts are a good way to start.
>
> >>> >> >>> Just give it a shot and see what you guys can do together. If
> >>> >> >>> nothing
> >>> >> >>> else, the go-cart runs, then go for a hovercraft next. I'm SURE
> >>> >> >>> you
> >>> >> >>> guys will be able to find side-of-the-road lawnmowers all over the
> >>> >> >>> place.
>
> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Sonny Mounicou

> >>> >> >>> <smou...@gmail.com>

> >>> >> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> I think you'll be hard pressed to build a hovercraft that will
> >>> >> >>>> support
> >>> >> >>>> a human off of a push mower sized motor. To also support a fan
> >>> >> >>>> would
> >>> >> >>>> require the creation of a transmission which is most likely above
> >>> >> >>>> and
> >>> >> >>>> beyond the scope here. Creating a go-kart would be cool. The
> >>> >> >>>> transmission from the mower could likely be reused depending upon
> >>> >> >>>> the
> >>> >> >>>> torque requirements. I'd vote for the go-kart ...
>
> >>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Trent Bontly

> >>> >> >>>> <trent.bon...@gmail.com>

[Mark Turnage]

I don't mind being lead/point on this, but it'll be next weekend
before I can seriously get started (or even by the space to take a
look at the mower).

--
Mark Turnage

[claudio donndelinger]

Sweet!