Works 4.5a and Windows 7
mag
We've been using Works 4.5a for some time and have databases, spreadsheets
and word processing documents that we use all the time. My boss is about to
replace his old computer with a new one which will come preloaded with
Windows 7 and Works 9.
Several questions about this:
Is Works 4.5a compatible with Windows 7? I don't think it is but can't find
any definitive info.
All the data is on my computer (XP Pro) and he accesses it over the network.
Will he be able to access the Works 4.5a files with Works 9?
If no, then I guess I'll have to put Works 9 on my computer too, but is it
compatible with XP Pro with SP3?
If I have to go with Works 9 what do I have to do so that Works 9
can open all the Works 4.5a files?
Thanks so much for any help
Maggie
Michael Santovec
But people have successfully installed older versions. Where you might
run into problems is with printing. Works is very sensitive to printer
drivers.
Works 9 should be able to open Works 4 files, but some people have
reported problems.
File formats that are supported in Works 9
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=940005
One complication you'll run into is that Works 4 uses WKS files for
spreadsheets where as Works 6 and above use XLR files. XLR are
simplified Excel XLS files. Either version should be able to read
other's files, but they default to saving in their won format.
Works 9 is compatible with XP with SP2 and above.
http://www.microsoft.com/products/works/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=003&active_tab=Sysreq
--
Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us
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mag
Thanks
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CharlieBubbles
installed on two older laptops. All three machines run WinXP Pro + SP2. In
my experience, 4.5 is a lovely program but if you have documents produced by
later versions of Works you will struggle to edit or even read these using
4.5 - From what I remember Microsoft changed the file formats in Works some
10 years ago, but I don't know why...Does anyone here know why this change
was made?
"mag" <the...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Michael Santovec
It's not unique to Works. They've done the same thing with Word, Excel,
etc.
Presumably they wanted to add new features to the programs and needed to
add new features to the file formats.
One of the changes made was adding Unicode support. This allows two
bytes per character and so additional languages can be supported.
--
Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us
"CharlieBubbles" <Charlie...@nomail.net> wrote in message
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Erik Jan
> I have Works Suite 2004 (updated to Works 8.5) on my desktop PC& Works 4.5a
> installed on two older laptops. All three machines run WinXP Pro + SP2. In
> my experience, 4.5 is a lovely program but if you have documents produced by
> later versions of Works you will struggle to edit or even read these using
> 4.5 - From what I remember Microsoft changed the file formats in Works some
> 10 years ago, but I don't know why...Does anyone here know why this change
> was made?
>
We humble end users can only guess, of course. I remember I loved Works
4.5a. I did everything with it: word processing, spreadsheet and
database. I loved the ease of mail merging. Then came the millenium
edition with Word instead of the Works word processor. I bought it at
once. A waste of money and a lot of misery. Mail merge did not work out
of the box; I had to adapt all my documents. The formatting of numbers,
amounts, dates and time does not carry over into the merged document.
Easyformat had disappeared. I bought the versions 6, 7 and 8 hoping that
the bugs would have been corrected and the crippled mail merge restored
to its former glory. I once read somewhere that Bill Gates has said that
bug correction and improvement of a program never is a reason to bring
out an upgrade. He was right. So buying an "upgrade" is a waste of
money. Each and every new "upgrade" was in fact a downgrade. We lost
features every time a new version came out. I lost patience and
downloaded openoffice.org. It has a learning curve after MSWorks, but it
is worthwhile. I ended up with Openoffice.org, Firefox and Thunderbird.
Thunderbird for ease of use -- it is much better than Outlook express --
and Firefox for security. In june 2004 computers were infected with a
trojan via the combination of a bug in Windws servers and a bug in
Internet Explorer. I followed the advice of US CERT to ditch IE and
started using firefox. Later that year I lost € 675 because my credit
card data were stolen. None of the antivirus programs and antispyware
programs could find anything on my computer. So I did a clean install of
WinXP on a new and clean partition. Then I started experimenting with
GNU/Linux (Mandrakesoft). In 2006 I bought a new computer without any
Windows and installed Mandriva Linux. No more insecurity and bothering
about malware, no more defragmenting, rock stability, a configurable
desktop environment, and I could continue to use the most important
programs that I was already accustomed to. Looking back the frustrations
with Works 5 and later, with the instability of Microsoft OS and
programs, with the inherent insecurity, were a blessing in disguise.
Without them I would never have experimented with Linux.
Why does MS make these changes in every version of its propgrams? To
force people to buy the newer versions every time. A new version
Publisher brings a new document format; it is still called "pub", but
the older versions Publisher cannot read the newer ones. It is the same
with the Works formats, and the office formats. So if someone buys the
newer versions all people who exchange documents with him, have the
least trouble when they all "upgrade" also. This is why. You can only
keep acess to your documents when you open and save them all in each and
every new version that comes out. You cannot read 10 or 12 year old
documents in the most recent versions of MS programs without this
continuous "upgrading". The content of a document may be yours, but the
chest it is closed in belongs to Bill Gates, and he keeps the key. If
you want to keep acess to you own data, you must pay him regularly by
"upgrading". This is why governments take steps now to switch to Open
Document Formats. This switch is VERY expensive because all MS document
formats are proprietary, secret. Documents must be made again, templates
must be made again, macros must be rewritten. The exit costs of
Microsoft are enormous. This is intentional. Once people start with
Microsoft programs, it is easier to postpone the switch. This is called
"lock-in".
This is the answer to your question.
My advice is: invest time in learning to use openoffice.org, Firefox,
Thunderbird and GIMP. When you are at ease with those, you can ditch
Windows and be FREE.
Greetings and good luck,
Erik Jan.
Jerry Martin
As I recall, there were 2 edition of MS Works 2000. There was the plain MS
Works 2000 that came with only the Works word processor, and then there was
the MS Works 2000 Suite that came with MS Word bundled in. (The Works word
processor was on the CD and installed on the hard drive, but there was no
shortcut to start it. However, a user could have created their own shortcut.
I also seem to recall that the marketing of both plain Works and Works Suite
continued on after the Works 2000 version. I think that the Works Suite
edition is no longer offered in the current version (9.0), but I could be
mistaken.
Cheers,
Jerry
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Erik Jan
> Hello:
>
> As I recall, there were 2 edition of MS Works 2000. There was the plain MS
> Works 2000 that came with only the Works word processor, and then there was
> the MS Works 2000 Suite that came with MS Word bundled in. (The Works word
> processor was on the CD and installed on the hard drive, but there was no
> shortcut to start it. However, a user could have created their own shortcut.
> I also seem to recall that the marketing of both plain Works and Works Suite
> continued on after the Works 2000 version. I think that the Works Suite
> edition is no longer offered in the current version (9.0), but I could be
> mistaken.
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
Dear Jerry,
you remember correctly. I continued to use the Works' wordprocessor for
a few tasks that were easier in it than in MSWord. I worked around the
irritating Works start up program by making a folder on my desktop with
shortcuts to my templates and a few important files (database).
I still make templates, a spreadsheet or a database for a brother of
mine who still uses a version of Works, and use the method mentioned above.
I do not know about version 9. The latest version for me was 8 which I
once updated to 8.5. this "update" removed wordart and a drawing
program. So at the next clean re-installation of Windows I went back to
version 8. Since then I moved on to Linux as I told before. I still
visit this newsgroup in order to know what is going on in the Works
front to be able to advise my brother.
Greetings,
Erik Jan.
Jerry Martin
I did purchase the plain edition of Works 2000 (without MS Word) a decade
ago. But I found that it was missing many of the templates that existed in
Works 4.5a - especially those templates that were useful for small
businesses. It seemed that Microsoft decided that they weren't making enough
money from small businesses that used the business templates in Works 4.5
and decided that by omitting them beginning in Works 2000, small business
would be forced to buy Microsoft Office.
I thought that this decision showed that Microsoft had little regard for
their small business customers.
Cheers,
Jerry
"Erik Jan" <er...@nobody.here> wrote in message
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Erik Jan
> Hello Again:
>
> I did purchase the plain edition of Works 2000 (without MS Word) a decade
> ago. But I found that it was missing many of the templates that existed in
> Works 4.5a - especially those templates that were useful for small
> businesses. It seemed that Microsoft decided that they weren't making enough
> money from small businesses that used the business templates in Works 4.5
> and decided that by omitting them beginning in Works 2000, small business
> would be forced to buy Microsoft Office.
>
> I thought that this decision showed that Microsoft had little regard for
> their small business customers.
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
You are correct again. The problem with all versions after version 4 is
that the integration between database/spreadsheet and wordprocessor is
broken. Numbers, amounts, dates, times and the results of calculations
or other formulas do not carrry over in the correct format when merged
into wordprocessor documents. So the new versions are useless for small
business users.
You are wrong about the customers. MS does not have small business
customers, only big business customers: the OEMs.
The point of furnishing MS Works is not the end user's interest but the
end user's tying to MS products no matter how problematic they are.
Greetings,
Erik Jan.
Jerry Martin
I seem to recall reading somewhere that MS Works in version 4.5a and earlier
was essentially one program containing all of its various functions such as
word processor, spreadsheet, database, etc. This allowed these earlier
versions of Works to integrate well with each other. However, this changed
with Works 2000 (v5.0) and later, where all of these functions were now
separate program that were called by the Works Task Manger (main screen).
This use of separate program is what I think caused the integration problems
in these newer version of Works.
Cheers,
Jerry
"Erik Jan" <er...@nobody.here> wrote in message
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Erik Jan
> Hello Yet Again:
>
> I seem to recall reading somewhere that MS Works in version 4.5a and earlier
> was essentially one program containing all of its various functions such as
> word processor, spreadsheet, database, etc. This allowed these earlier
> versions of Works to integrate well with each other. However, this changed
> with Works 2000 (v5.0) and later, where all of these functions were now
> This use of separate program is what I think caused the integration problems
> in these newer version of Works.
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
>
That is correct also. Works version 4.5a was great, although the feature
of making macros was taken out of it. So the crippling of the program
had then begun already. I loved this version and used it intensively.
The steadily ongoing crippling of Works made me see the arrogance of MS,
and made me look elsewhere, Openoffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and after
this GNU/Linux.
rod
"Erik Jan"
> The steadily ongoing crippling of Works made me see the arrogance of MS, and made me look elsewhere, Openoffice,
> Firefox, Thunderbird and after this GNU/Linux.
But you still come back and contribute :)
Erik Jan
Yes, I do. As I said, I loved Works, and still do some work (mail merge,
spreadsheet, database and brochures) in it for my brother. I have given
up all Microsoft news groups except this one. People here have been very
friendly and helpful to me. I remember Kevin James, of course, and a
certain Rodney (from Thailand?) who stretched the program to its limits.
I learned a lot from them. Sometimes I give back some help still,
especially concerning mail merge. Human beings are strange creatures........
Greetings,
Erik Jan.
rod
"Erik Jan"
> up all Microsoft news groups except this one. People here have been very friendly and helpful to me. I remember Kevin
> James, of course, and a certain Rodney (from Thailand?)
That is I :)
Rodney from Aussie now
Yes Kevin and Omar were fantastic, they were good days.
Erik Jan
rod had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 03-03-10 00:43:
Nice.
Omar was the name I could not remember.
It is nice to know that there are friends even that far as on the other
side of the globe. (I am in Holland.) I hope all is well on your side of it.
Greetings from Holland.
Erik Jan.
rod
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Jeff
make sure you run it in Xp compatibility mode.
Jeff
James Kevin
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rod
The organist at our church is Welsh
and her voice booms out at each meeting.
Lovely stuff.
"James Kevin"
Erik Jan
> Belated St David's day greetings from Wales too !
>
> --
> Kevin
Hello Kevin,
thank you for your greetings. I am happy to see your message again. I
missed you in this newsgroup every time I read the the mail to see what
is going on here. I hope you are well and in good health.
Greetings
Erik Jan
Doris Kramer
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:12 PM mag wrote:
> We've been using Works 4.5a for some time and have databases, spreadsheets
> and word processing documents that we use all the time. My boss is about to
> replace his old computer with a new one which will come preloaded with
> Windows 7 and Works 9.
>
> Several questions about this:
>
> Is Works 4.5a compatible with Windows 7? I do not think it is but cannot find
> any definitive info.
>
> All the data is on my computer (XP Pro) and he accesses it over the network.
> Will he be able to access the Works 4.5a files with Works 9?
>
> If no, then I guess I will have to put Works 9 on my computer too, but is it
> compatible with XP Pro with SP3?
>
> If I have to go with Works 9 what do I have to do so that Works 9
> can open all the Works 4.5a files?
>
> Thanks so much for any help
>
> Maggie
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:57 PM Michael Santovec wrote:
>> Officially, Microsoft supports Works 8,5 and above on Vista and above.
>> But people have successfully installed older versions. Where you might
>> run into problems is with printing. Works is very sensitive to printer
>> drivers.
>>
>> Works 9 should be able to open Works 4 files, but some people have
>> reported problems.
>> File formats that are supported in Works 9
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=940005
>>
>> One complication you will run into is that Works 4 uses WKS files for
>> spreadsheets where as Works 6 and above use XLR files. XLR are
>> simplified Excel XLS files. Either version should be able to read
>> other's files, but they default to saving in their won format.
>>
>> Works 9 is compatible with XP with SP2 and above.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/products/works/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=003&active_tab=Sysreq
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:49 PM mag wrote:
>>> Thanks
>>>> On Monday, February 15, 2010 9:36 AM CharlieBubbles wrote:
>>>> I have Works Suite 2004 (updated to Works 8.5) on my desktop PC & Works 4.5a
>>>> installed on two older laptops. All three machines run WinXP Pro + SP2. In
>>>> my experience, 4.5 is a lovely program but if you have documents produced by
>>>> later versions of Works you will struggle to edit or even read these using
>>>> 4.5 - From what I remember Microsoft changed the file formats in Works some
>>>> 10 years ago, but I do not know why...Does anyone here know why this change
>>>> was made?
>>>>> On Monday, February 15, 2010 4:49 PM Michael Santovec wrote:
>>>>> Why? Because they can?
>>>>>
>>>>> it is not unique to Works. They've done the same thing with Word, Excel,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Presumably they wanted to add new features to the programs and needed to
>>>>> add new features to the file formats.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the changes made was adding Unicode support. This allows two
>>>>> bytes per character and so additional languages can be supported.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us
>>>>>> On Monday, February 15, 2010 5:27 PM Erik Jan wrote:
>>>>>> CharlieBubbles had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 15-02-10 15:36:
>>>>>> 4.5a
>>>>>> =2E In
>>>>>> ed by
>>>>>> ing
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> nge
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We humble end users can only guess, of course. I remember I loved Works=20
>>>>>> 4.5a. I did everything with it: word processing, spreadsheet and=20
>>>>>> database. I loved the ease of mail merging. Then came the millenium=20
>>>>>> edition with Word instead of the Works word processor. I bought it at=20
>>>>>> once. A waste of money and a lot of misery. Mail merge did not work out=20
>>>>>> of the box; I had to adapt all my documents. The formatting of numbers,=20
>>>>>> amounts, dates and time does not carry over into the merged document.=20
>>>>>> Easyformat had disappeared. I bought the versions 6, 7 and 8 hoping that =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the bugs would have been corrected and the crippled mail merge restored=20
>>>>>> to its former glory. I once read somewhere that Bill Gates has said that =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bug correction and improvement of a program never is a reason to bring=20
>>>>>> out an upgrade. He was right. So buying an "upgrade" is a waste of=20
>>>>>> money. Each and every new "upgrade" was in fact a downgrade. We lost=20
>>>>>> features every time a new version came out. I lost patience and=20
>>>>>> downloaded openoffice.org. It has a learning curve after MSWorks, but it =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is worthwhile. I ended up with Openoffice.org, Firefox and Thunderbird.=20
>>>>>> Thunderbird for ease of use -- it is much better than Outlook express -- =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and Firefox for security. In june 2004 computers were infected with a=20
>>>>>> trojan via the combination of a bug in Windws servers and a bug in=20
>>>>>> Internet Explorer. I followed the advice of US CERT to ditch IE and=20
>>>>>> started using firefox. Later that year I lost =E2=82=AC 675 because my cr=
>>>>>> edit=20
>>>>>> card data were stolen. None of the antivirus programs and antispyware=20
>>>>>> programs could find anything on my computer. So I did a clean install of =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WinXP on a new and clean partition. Then I started experimenting with=20
>>>>>> GNU/Linux (Mandrakesoft). In 2006 I bought a new computer without any=20
>>>>>> Windows and installed Mandriva Linux. No more insecurity and bothering=20
>>>>>> about malware, no more defragmenting, rock stability, a configurable=20
>>>>>> desktop environment, and I could continue to use the most important=20
>>>>>> programs that I was already accustomed to. Looking back the frustrations =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with Works 5 and later, with the instability of Microsoft OS and=20
>>>>>> programs, with the inherent insecurity, were a blessing in disguise.=20
>>>>>> Without them I would never have experimented with Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does MS make these changes in every version of its propgrams? To=20
>>>>>> force people to buy the newer versions every time. A new version=20
>>>>>> Publisher brings a new document format; it is still called "pub", but=20
>>>>>> the older versions Publisher cannot read the newer ones. It is the same=20
>>>>>> with the Works formats, and the office formats. So if someone buys the=20
>>>>>> newer versions all people who exchange documents with him, have the=20
>>>>>> least trouble when they all "upgrade" also. This is why. You can only=20
>>>>>> keep acess to your documents when you open and save them all in each and =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> every new version that comes out. You cannot read 10 or 12 year old=20
>>>>>> documents in the most recent versions of MS programs without this=20
>>>>>> continuous "upgrading". The content of a document may be yours, but the=20
>>>>>> chest it is closed in belongs to Bill Gates, and he keeps the key. If=20
>>>>>> you want to keep acess to you own data, you must pay him regularly by=20
>>>>>> "upgrading". This is why governments take steps now to switch to Open=20
>>>>>> Document Formats. This switch is VERY expensive because all MS document=20
>>>>>> formats are proprietary, secret. Documents must be made again, templates =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> must be made again, macros must be rewritten. The exit costs of=20
>>>>>> Microsoft are enormous. This is intentional. Once people start with=20
>>>>>> Microsoft programs, it is easier to postpone the switch. This is called=20
>>>>>> "lock-in".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the answer to your question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My advice is: invest time in learning to use openoffice.org, Firefox,=20
>>>>>> Thunderbird and GIMP. When you are at ease with those, you can ditch=20
>>>>>> Windows and be FREE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings and good luck,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erik Jan.
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:29 AM Jerry Martin wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I recall, there were 2 edition of MS Works 2000. There was the plain MS
>>>>>>> Works 2000 that came with only the Works word processor, and then there was
>>>>>>> the MS Works 2000 Suite that came with MS Word bundled in. (The Works word
>>>>>>> processor was on the CD and installed on the hard drive, but there was no
>>>>>>> shortcut to start it. However, a user could have created their own shortcut.
>>>>>>> I also seem to recall that the marketing of both plain Works and Works Suite
>>>>>>> continued on after the Works 2000 version. I think that the Works Suite
>>>>>>> edition is no longer offered in the current version (9.0), but I could be
>>>>>>> mistaken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We humble end users can only guess, of course. I remember I loved Works
>>>>>>> 4.5a. I did everything with it: word processing, spreadsheet and
>>>>>>> database. I loved the ease of mail merging. Then came the millenium
>>>>>>> edition with Word instead of the Works word processor.
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:11 PM Erik Jan wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jerry Martin had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 27-02-10 07:29:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Jerry,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you remember correctly. I continued to use the Works' wordprocessor for
>>>>>>>> a few tasks that were easier in it than in MSWord. I worked around the
>>>>>>>> irritating Works start up program by making a folder on my desktop with
>>>>>>>> shortcuts to my templates and a few important files (database).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still make templates, a spreadsheet or a database for a brother of
>>>>>>>> mine who still uses a version of Works, and use the method mentioned above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not know about version 9. The latest version for me was 8 which I
>>>>>>>> once updated to 8.5. this "update" removed wordart and a drawing
>>>>>>>> program. So at the next clean re-installation of Windows I went back to
>>>>>>>> version 8. Since then I moved on to Linux as I told before. I still
>>>>>>>> visit this newsgroup in order to know what is going on in the Works
>>>>>>>> front to be able to advise my brother.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erik Jan.
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:02 PM Jerry Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Again:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did purchase the plain edition of Works 2000 (without MS Word) a decade
>>>>>>>>> ago. But I found that it was missing many of the templates that existed in
>>>>>>>>> Works 4.5a - especially those templates that were useful for small
>>>>>>>>> businesses. It seemed that Microsoft decided that they were not making enough
>>>>>>>>> money from small businesses that used the business templates in Works 4.5
>>>>>>>>> and decided that by omitting them beginning in Works 2000, small business
>>>>>>>>> would be forced to buy Microsoft Office.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought that this decision showed that Microsoft had little regard for
>>>>>>>>> their small business customers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:27 AM Erik Jan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jerry Martin had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 28-02-10 03:02:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are correct again. The problem with all versions after version 4 is
>>>>>>>>>> that the integration between database/spreadsheet and wordprocessor is
>>>>>>>>>> broken. Numbers, amounts, dates, times and the results of calculations
>>>>>>>>>> or other formulas do not carrry over in the correct format when merged
>>>>>>>>>> into wordprocessor documents. So the new versions are useless for small
>>>>>>>>>> business users.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are wrong about the customers. MS does not have small business
>>>>>>>>>> customers, only big business customers: the OEMs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The point of furnishing MS Works is not the end user's interest but the
>>>>>>>>>> end user's tying to MS products no matter how problematic they are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Erik Jan.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:21 PM Jerry Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Yet Again:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I seem to recall reading somewhere that MS Works in version 4.5a and earlier
>>>>>>>>>>> was essentially one program containing all of its various functions such as
>>>>>>>>>>> word processor, spreadsheet, database, etc. This allowed these earlier
>>>>>>>>>>> versions of Works to integrate well with each other. However, this changed
>>>>>>>>>>> with Works 2000 (v5.0) and later, where all of these functions were now
>>>>>>>>>>> separate program that were called by the Works Task Manger (main screen).
>>>>>>>>>>> This use of separate program is what I think caused the integration problems
>>>>>>>>>>> in these newer version of Works.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 01, 2010 2:34 PM Erik Jan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jerry Martin had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 01-03-10 04:21:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is correct also. Works version 4.5a was great, although the feature
>>>>>>>>>>>> of making macros was taken out of it. So the crippling of the program
>>>>>>>>>>>> had then begun already. I loved this version and used it intensively.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The steadily ongoing crippling of Works made me see the arrogance of MS,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and made me look elsewhere, Openoffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and after
>>>>>>>>>>>> this GNU/Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik Jan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 01, 2010 7:53 PM rod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Erik Jan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you still come back and contribute :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 02, 2010 2:03 AM Erik Jan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rod had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 02-03-10 01:53:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I do. As I said, I loved Works, and still do some work (mail merge,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet, database and brochures) in it for my brother. I have given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up all Microsoft news groups except this one. People here have been very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendly and helpful to me. I remember Kevin James, of course, and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain Rodney (from Thailand?) who stretched the program to its limits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I learned a lot from them. Sometimes I give back some help still,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially concerning mail merge. Human beings are strange creatures........
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik Jan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:43 PM rod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Erik Jan"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is I :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rodney from Aussie now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Kevin and Omar were fantastic, they were good days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:25 PM Erik Jan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rod had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 03-03-10 00:43:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omar was the name I could not remember.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is nice to know that there are friends even that far as on the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the globe. (I am in Holland.) I hope all is well on your side of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings from Holland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik Jan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:57 AM rod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings from Australia too, Eric Jan :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:07 PM Jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just loaded it on my new Windows 7 Ultimate (32bit). Works just fine. Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure you run it in Xp compatibility mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 05, 2010 10:59 AM James Kevin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Belated St David's day greetings from Wales too !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 06, 2010 5:02 PM rod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Guru ahs become a "lurker" I see :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The organist at our church is Welsh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and her voice booms out at each meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lovely stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James Kevin"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:29 PM Erik Jan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Kevin had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 05-03-10 16:59:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for your greetings. I am happy to see your message again. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed you in this newsgroup every time I read the the mail to see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is going on here. I hope you are well and in good health.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik Jan
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