"Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote in message

> Thanks Bruce.
> ==========
> "Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23e3VIrH4JHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption....

>> Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email:
>> http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm
>> --

>>              Bruce Hagen
>>            MS-MVP  [Mail]
>>          Imperial Beach, CA

>> "Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote in message
>> news:eIOc7pH4JHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> How does "scanning" an incoming message corrupt anything? I have allowed
>>> incoming scanning for the last dozen years or so with NO corruption.
>>> There is more danger of corruption with .dbx files while adding and
>>> deletion of data or compacting while initiating or completing other
>>> computer procedures or functions IMHO.

>>> I was told that .dbx files are similar to the old RELATIVE files used
>>> twenty or thirty years ago which were definitely prone to corruption.

>>> Doug W.
>>> ======

>>> "Ron Sommer" <rsom...@nospam.ktis.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OQu3F4A4JHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>I don't see where I mentioned losing an incoming message.
>>>> Due to the way data is stored in a dbx file, any corruption can cause
>>>> the whole file or just parts of the file to be lost. Why increase the
>>>> chance of corrupting a dbx file by scanning incoming email?
>>>> --
>>>> Ron Sommer

>>>> "Twayne" <nob...@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OvywsPA4JHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Ron Sommer wrote:
>>>>>> Were you planning on opening the viral attachments?
>>>>>> Even if tried to open them, AVG would have caught them.
>>>>>> It is just a matter of time before you lose a message and you may
>>>>>> never know it.

>>>>> Actually I have never heard of nor experienced loss of any incoming
>>>>> messages.  It's easy enough to tell when i go in to clean up my
>>>>> webmail whether there are any there that weren't delivered.
>>>>>   Are you aware of any actual loss of an incoming e-mail? Other than
>>>>> assumptions, I mean; I'm not saying it doesn't happen but rather that
>>>>> I'd like to see something supporting it that's all; thought you might
>>>>> have something based on your comment.

>>>>> I do know you can have outgoing e-mails go to your Sent Folder as
>>>>> though they were sent when they never actually left your machine
>>>>> though.  That mechanism, unlike the outgoing process, is easy to
>>>>> understand and is pretty well documented how it happens.  But I've
>>>>> never seen anything similar about incoming e-mails that explains the
>>>>> reality of the loss.

>>>>> It's just One of those "things" that sticks in my mind<g>.

>>>>> I don't allow outgoing to be checked, but I do allow incoming to be
>>>>> scanned.  I realize it's a "second layer of protection" as many like
>>>>> to call it, but so far I adhere to the "sooner the better" when it's
>>>>> grabbing malware.  No reason it should have to hit the disk to be
>>>>> discoved later when it can be stopped from even getting onto the disk
>>>>> and doing who knows what else before it triggers something. There are
>>>>> a lot of different schools of thought on the subjects, I know.

>>>>> Cheers,

>>>>> Twayne`

>>>>>> "Tim Meddick" <timmedd...@gawab.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OaHPV283JHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Robear,
>>>>>>>            did you happen to say:

>>>>>>>> Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can cause
>>>>>>>> corruption (i.e., loss of messages) and provides no additional
>>>>>>>> protection:

>>>>>>> ???

>>>>>>> I just wondered because my email scanner (an in-built component of
>>>>>>> AVG Free) has removed 5 viral attachments from incoming emails over
>>>>>>> the past two months.  It has never had a negative effect on any
>>>>>>> other 'legitimate' emails.

>>>>>>> It may be that some email scanners do as you say, but I thought it
>>>>>>> was a bit of a sweeping statement to make is all...

>>>>>>> ==

>>>>>>> Cheers,    Tim Meddick,    Peckham, London.    :-)

>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ejf7Ob63JHA.4960@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> ...I first want to know why
>>>>>>>>> you think simply emptying the delete folder in o/e makes all
>>>>>>>>> things go away,,    only by shredding do things go away.

>>>>>>>> Emptying Deleted Items folder deletes its contents, at least as far
>>>>>>>> as your eyes are concerned.  Compacting the corresponding DBX file
>>>>>>>> (i.e., Deleted Items.dbx) is the equivalent of "shredding" the data
>>>>>>>> it previously contained.  (Until the DBX file is compacted, the
>>>>>>>> deleted data is still recoverable using one of many "extraction"
>>>>>>>> utilities.) Here's a link to Ron's reply of the 26th (the 27th on
>>>>>>>> your end):
>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg...

>>>>>>>> jack wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the info pabear..
>>>>>>>>> I dont see any post from 'Ron', but if he had input too, then I
>>>>>>>>> thank you
>>>>>>>>> Ron,, (just cant see any post)

>>>>>>>>> Now,  even though I have the info for finding the 'hidden folder',
>>>>>>>>> ( I havent yet gone looking, am answering post first ) I first
>>>>>>>>> want to know why
>>>>>>>>> you think simply emptying the delete folder in o/e makes all
>>>>>>>>> things go away,,    only by shredding do things go away.
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> ...but I am greatful to you for pointing out where this nasty
>>>>>>>>> little file lives.

>>>>>>>>> PA Bear wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> As Ron (and the link
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain) points out,
>>>>>>>>>> the location of your current identity's message store (your "mail
>>>>>>>>>> room") is revealed via pressing OE Tools | Options | Maintenance

>>>>>>>>>> Store folder <=this button.

>>>>>>>>>> In WinXP, the default location is...

>>>>>>>>>>     C:\Documents and Settings\<User>\Local Settings\Application
>>>>>>>>>> Data\Identities\{GUID}\Microsoft\Outlook Express <=this folder

>>>>>>>>>> In Win98, the default location is...

>>>>>>>>>>     C:\Windows\Application Data\Outlook Express\{GUID} <=this
>>>>>>>>>> folder ...where {GUID} = Global Unique IDentifier (technical
>>>>>>>>>> jargon for a
>>>>>>>>>> unique
>>>>>>>>>> long series of numbers & letters) used to specify an Identity.

>>>>>>>>>> NB: In Win98 (not Win98 SE) with IE4.x installed, OE's message
>>>>>>>>>> store will
>>>>>>>>>> contain MBX and IDX files, not DBX files.

>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, you should never need to go into your message store
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> delete
>>>>>>>>>> DELETED ITEMS.DBX (or any other DBX file).  Simply (a) empty
>>>>>>>>>> Deleted Items
>>>>>>>>>> folder (as well as Sent Items, ideally), then (b) compact all OE
>>>>>>>>>> folders
>>>>>>>>>> (ALT+F+F+F).  Doing so will remove all the "wasted space" in
>>>>>>>>>> DELETED ITEMS.DBX and reset it back to its default size (~59 KB).

>>>>>>>>>> jack wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried that too,,  but either way, it doesnt show the dbx
>>>>>>>>>>> folder/file..
>>>>>>>>>>> dont know why.

>>>>>>>>>>> Is the said folder for the mail room under the 'windows'
>>>>>>>>>>> hierachy? In 98
>>>>>>>>>>> it is and comes under the first heading of 'application data',
>>>>>>>>>>> then you
>>>>>>>>>>> have to drill down to the last folder in the hierachy to access
>>>>>>>>>>> where all
>>>>>>>>>>> dbx's are kept. (was bill trying to specifically hide something
>>>>>>>>>>> by doing
>>>>>>>>>>> this?)

>>>>>>>>>>> Pabear,  do you know the exact name of the folder where these
>>>>>>>>>>> files are
>>>>>>>>>>> kept in xp?

>>>>>>>>>>> Even after allowing all folders and files to be shown, not even
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> search
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> '*.dbx' brings up anything at all.....     so just where is this
>>>>>>>>>>> mysterious
>>>>>>>>>>> folder?     and why is it treasured so much that it needs to be
>>>>>>>>>>> hidden from
>>>>>>>>>>> the average user?    Personally, once i have deleted a swag of
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff from
>>>>>>>>>>> the mail room, (say, after about a month) i used to go into
>>>>>>>>>>> 'windows/appdata/' and blah blah, and simply shred the 'deleted
>>>>>>>>>>> items' dbx
>>>>>>>>>>> file as I knew it got rebuilt next time i went into o/e.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure would like to know where this is stashed now, especially as
>>>>>>>>>>> a 'search
>>>>>>>>>>> files and folders' doesnt reveal a single dbx on xp even after
>>>>>>>>>>> all advice
>>>>>>>>>>> from links below were administered?

>>>>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote"
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Crosspost to OE General]

>>>>>>>>>>>> A1. See http://www.insideoe.com/files/store.htm#storemain

>>>>>>>>>>>> A2. When you delete a message from Deleted Items folder, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> message essentially vanishes.

>>>>>>>>>>>> A3. In WindowsXP, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are marked as
>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden by
>>>>>>>>>>>> default. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must
>>>>>>>>>>>> enable Show
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hidden Files and Folders via Start | Control Panel | Folder
>>>>>>>>>>>> Options | View
>>>>>>>>>>>> (cf.
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial62.html).

>>>>>>>>>>>> General OE Caveats:

>>>>>>>>>>>> - Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them
>>>>>>>>>>>> to local
>>>>>>>>>>>> folders created for this purpose.

>>>>>>>>>>>> - Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frequently perform a manual compact of all OE folders while
>>>>>>>>>>>> "working
>>>>>>>>>>>> offline".  More at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

>>>>>>>>>>>> - Do not cancel Automatic Compacting, should it occur, and do
>>>>>>>>>>>> not attempt
>>>>>>>>>>>> to close OE via Task Manager or shutdown your machine if
>>>>>>>>>>>> Automatic Compacting is taking place.

>>>>>>>>>>>> - Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application.  It
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption (i.e., loss of messages) and provides no additional
>>>>>>>>>>>> protection:

>>>>>>>>>>>>     Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm

>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> OE-specific newsgroup:
>>>>>>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>>>>>>>>>>>> dennis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering where dbx files are kept in xp???

>>>>>>>>>>>>> For instance, when I delete sometrhing from the mail room
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (o/e) then empty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deleted folder in mail room, where do the deleted files
>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> search for .DBX's, but it seems xp doesnt have them whereas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> win98 does.