I also tried clicking on the "Make Google my homepage" just beneath
the search area of Google, it appears to do it correctly, yet IE6
continues to show msn.com.
No, there are NO viruses, malware, spyware, or anything that would
make me think that msn.com has somehow been hijacked as the
homepage and nothing else on the computer is acting peculiar.
What is going on here? More importantly, HOW can I EASILY fix it so
that IE6 will obey what I tell it I want as my homepage?
Thanks.
--
Jerry, aka HP
"Efficiency is doing things right, effectiveness is doing the right
things" - Peter Drucker
Just a thought...
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> Until yesterday, Internet Explorer always obeyed which site I wanted as
> my Homepage by going to Tools>Internet Options>Use Current (where Google
> was already displayed on-screen) and then click on Use Current. But -
> ONLY this morning - IE6 now ALWAYS goes to msn.com as my homepage.
>
> I also tried clicking on the "Make Google my homepage" just beneath the
> search area of Google, it appears to do it correctly, yet IE6 continues
> to show msn.com.
Tools>Internet Options>General: Type www.google.com in the address
gadget, click "Apply" at the bottom. Reboot IE. That should make Google
your home page. If it doesn't, post back here with the details.
Stef
> Did you install a new anti-virus or spyware program lately? Some
> options within those programs are set to not allow home pages to
> be set, and the set home page is defined in the Preferences and
> ignore what's in IE.
>
> Just a thought...
>
Good thought, but absolutely NOTHING has been added, changed,
reconfigured, rolled-back, options changes NOTHING. And, at the
same time my homepage can no longer be set, the spell check in OE6
that uses my MS Word and has worked flawlessly for years, suddenly
failed today. Yes, I DID perform the several steps long ago
documented for the OE spelling failure to check and then fix what
caues the error, yet I cannot make it work.
Finally, Files & Settings Transfer Wizard stopped working. It
gathers it's data either part way or, in some cases, seemingly ALL
of it, but FAILS as it attempts to write the large data file to my
HDD. In this case, I first thought of a permissions problem on the
partition and did find a few (non?) fatal anomalies, which I fixed.
Curiously, F & S T Wizard WILL work when writing to my E:\ graphics
data partition but NOT to my D:\ non-graphics data or my C:\
primary partition. The error message is vague, something about the
place I picked to write the data cannot be accessed. Huh? Works
damn well fine for me every day!
So, I tried rolling back the entire system to a System REstore
Point before all this happened. So far, I've tried THREE RPs from 3
days last week but they've ALL failed - Restore says it could not
complete the restore and (brilliantly) suggests I pick another RP.
Clearning SOMETHING happened, right? I DID look first at IE6's
Internet Options for the various Security things it has and I DID
shut down Zone Alarm. Next is to shut down ALL my malware
protection including NAV 2006 and CA Anti-Spyware including Zone
Alarm, which MIGHT answer your good suggestion about.
Failing all that, I WILL carefully suggest your specific
suggestions, that possibly SOME part of my malware protection
somehow changed and now DISallows home pages to change.
BTW, I also ran FULL malware scans because I read that msn.com is
susceptible to spyware that hijacks it's function so that no one
can change to any other home page, the idea being that the spyware
then has a chance to do it's dirty deeds.
Thanks for the ideas, I'll follow up and continue to try to find at
least ONE recent RP that Windoze will use. Now, IF I am infected by
something that got past all those utilities I have, ONE thing that
malware does do is prevent the obvious fixes by, among other
things, disabling rolling back a RP. So, I do NOT take the
possibility of malware lightly and WILL take a deep dive.
>> Until yesterday, Internet Explorer always obeyed which site I
>> wanted as my Homepage by going to Tools>Internet Options>Use
>> Current (where Google was already displayed on-screen) and then
>> click on Use Current. But - ONLY this morning - IE6 now ALWAYS
>> goes to msn.com as my homepage.
>>
>
> Tools>Internet Options>General: Type www.google.com in the
> address gadget, click "Apply" at the bottom. Reboot IE. That
> should make Google your home page. If it doesn't, post back
> here with the details.
>
Hi, Stef. Actually, this is one of the fist things I did - just type
www.google.com into the Address bar for the Home Page part of the
screen you cite. Nadda.
What happens is that IE6 TAKES the typed in change without complaint
but as soon as I click on OK and then Home, I get msn.com again. So,
I tried the SAME idea again, only this time I just closted the window
via OK and re-opened it. Alas, msn was back with a super long url:
http://www.microsoft.com/isapi/redir.dll?prd=ie&clcid=0x0409&pver=6.0
&ar=home
Yet, when I click on home, what I really get is msn.com. I did take a
look at an MS site that lists dozens of extended switches after
"www.microsoft.com", so MS obviously has LOTS of altered behaviors in
mind besides just a browser's home page.
Any other ideas for me to investigate would be appreicated. And, have
a great week!
Is the computer fully-patched at Windows Update?
What, if any, MSN software is installed (e.g., MSN Toolbar; MSN 9.6 [AKA MSN
Explorer])?
== (for Agent)
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
www.banthecheck.com
> Good thought, but absolutely NOTHING has been added, changed,
> reconfigured, rolled-back, options changes NOTHING. And, at the
> same time my homepage can no longer be set, the spell check in OE6
> that uses my MS Word and has worked flawlessly for years, suddenly
> failed today. Yes, I DID perform the several steps long ago
> documented for the OE spelling failure to check and then fix what
> caues the error, yet I cannot make it work.
>
> Finally, Files& Settings Transfer Wizard stopped working. It
> gathers it's data either part way or, in some cases, seemingly ALL
> of it, but FAILS as it attempts to write the large data file to my
> HDD. In this case, I first thought of a permissions problem on the
> partition and did find a few (non?) fatal anomalies, which I fixed.
> Curiously, F& S T Wizard WILL work when writing to my E:\ graphics
> data partition but NOT to my D:\ non-graphics data or my C:\
> primary partition. The error message is vague, something about the
> place I picked to write the data cannot be accessed. Huh? Works
> damn well fine for me every day!
>
> So, I tried rolling back the entire system to a System REstore
> Point before all this happened. So far, I've tried THREE RPs from 3
> days last week but they've ALL failed - Restore says it could not
> complete the restore and (brilliantly) suggests I pick another RP.
>
Hi Jerry,
Being one who has seen this happen dozens if not hundreds of times, I'm
not surprised. System Restore fails when you need it most. Having
multiple backups (current, last month, 2 months ago, etc), and also
using a program like ERUNT I have found is better than relying on
something whose design intention was good, but inherently flawed.
> Clearning SOMETHING happened, right? I DID look first at IE6's
> Internet Options for the various Security things it has and I DID
> shut down Zone Alarm. Next is to shut down ALL my malware
> protection including NAV 2006 and CA Anti-Spyware including Zone
> Alarm, which MIGHT answer your good suggestion about.
>
Okay, I think here is where the issue lies. Patrick had the right idea
I believe. Shutting down all that stuff you have "protecting" you isn't
solving the issue. I believe the issue is that one of those programs
are not allowing the change. There might be a small resident app from
one of them "remembering" the homepage for you.
Until the offender is allowed to reset back to your real homepage, it
will keep thinking it's doing what you want it to do. Why it's
remembering MSN, I don't know, but maybe in a quick moment, you allowed
it when it asked you.
Terry R.
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> Stefan Patric added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>> Until yesterday, Internet Explorer always obeyed which site I wanted
>>> as my Homepage by going to Tools>Internet Options>Use Current (where
>>> Google was already displayed on-screen) and then click on Use Current.
>>> But - ONLY this morning - IE6 now ALWAYS goes to msn.com as my
>>> homepage.
>>>
>>>
>> Tools>Internet Options>General: Type www.google.com in the address
>> gadget, click "Apply" at the bottom. Reboot IE. That should make
>> Google your home page. If it doesn't, post back here with the details.
>>
> Hi, Stef. Actually, this is one of the fist things I did - just type
> www.google.com into the Address bar for the Home Page part of the screen
> you cite. Nadda.
Did you click "Apply" and then "OK"? And then before doing anything
else, quit IE? When you restart IE what shows up in the window? Google
or MSN? What happens when you click the "Home" icon?
> What happens is that IE6 TAKES the typed in change without complaint but
> as soon as I click on OK and then Home, I get msn.com again. So, I tried
> the SAME idea again, only this time I just closted the window via OK and
> re-opened it. Alas, msn was back with a super long url:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/isapi/redir.dll?prd=ie&clcid=0x0409&pver=6.0
> &ar=home
>
> Yet, when I click on home, what I really get is msn.com. I did take a
> look at an MS site that lists dozens of extended switches after
> "www.microsoft.com", so MS obviously has LOTS of altered behaviors in
> mind besides just a browser's home page.
I don't have IE 6 on any of my machines. So, I can't explicitly test
your problem. On the XP system I have IE 7 and on the W2k one IE 5, both
accept the changes I enter, and come up with it when they first load.
Also, when I click the "Home" icon, they both go to the home page I've
set.
> Any other ideas for me to investigate would be appreicated. And, have a
> great week!
If you can't get IE to perform the way you want, consider uninstalling
and reinstalling it, or install IE 7 instead.
Have you run scans for viruses and malware, etc?
Stef
[snip my own testimony]
>> So, I tried rolling back the entire system to a System REstore
>> Point before all this happened. So far, I've tried THREE RPs
>> from 3 days last week but they've ALL failed - Restore says it
>> could not complete the restore and (brilliantly) suggests I
>> pick another RP.
>>
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> Being one who has seen this happen dozens if not hundreds of
> times, I'm not surprised. System Restore fails when you need it
> most. Having multiple backups (current, last month, 2 months
> ago, etc), and also using a program like ERUNT I have found is
> better than relying on something whose design intention was
> good, but inherently flawed.
>
Good morning, Terry. Nice to know that SAD things like this happen
to others, and I'm not going crazy! <grin>
I finally DID manage to roll back to an earlier RP, but I had to
start Windows in Safe Mode to get it to work. I don't recall that
being a requirement for a restore, but I was desperate.
I can tell you, when all this nonsense is done, I'm going to run a
full IMAGE backup with Acronis True Image!
>> Clearning SOMETHING happened, right? I DID look first at IE6's
>> Internet Options for the various Security things it has and I
>> DID shut down Zone Alarm. Next is to shut down ALL my malware
>> protection including NAV 2006 and CA Anti-Spyware including
>> Zone Alarm, which MIGHT answer your good suggestion about.
>
> Okay, I think here is where the issue lies. Patrick had the
> right idea I believe. Shutting down all that stuff you have
> "protecting" you isn't solving the issue. I believe the issue
> is that one of those programs are not allowing the change.
> There might be a small resident app from one of them
> "remembering" the homepage for you.
I finally fixed the IE6 homepage problem as well. More Googling
gave me the idea to look into NAV 2006 for a switch designed to
BLOCK the changing of my home page. Sure enough, I had it SET. So,
however it happened that msn.com managaged to hijack my homepage,
it was NAV that was preventing me from changing it back! Problem
resolved!
> Until the offender is allowed to reset back to your real
> homepage, it will keep thinking it's doing what you want it to
> do. Why it's remembering MSN, I don't know, but maybe in a
> quick moment, you allowed it when it asked you.
And, a THIRD major annoyance I've had these last few days, that I
was just ready to post here, was that my OE6 spell checker that
depends on MS Office, STOPPED working with the oft-seen message "an
error occurred trying to spell check."
It APPEARS that both the File & Settings Transfer Wizard TOTAL
failure I was seeing AND the OE6 spell check error were both caused
by the same UNknown problem either early on November 15 or late
night the 14th. I'll probably NEVER know exactly how all 3 of these
things occured simultaneously, but going to Safe Mode and rolling
my system back to the morning of November 14 SEEMS to have done the
trick.
My thanks to you and ALL those you patiently offered suggestions
for me to solve these problems. I'll respond separately to those
who are still trying to assist me with a couple of annoyances on my
wife's new Sony VAIO laptop PC.
Have a great week, Terry!
Stefan, thank you for the many good ideas for me to try. Please
take a look at the reply I just posted to Terry R in this thread,
it explains what I finally did that SEEMS to be successful.
Thanks again and have a great week!
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:01:37 -0600, HEMI-Powered wrote:
>
>> Stefan Patric added these comments in the current discussion du
>> jour ...
>>
>>> Tools>Internet Options>General: Type www.google.com in the
>>> address gadget, click "Apply" at the bottom. Reboot IE. That
>>> should make Google your home page. If it doesn't, post back
>>> here with the details.
>>>
>> Hi, Stef. Actually, this is one of the fist things I did - just
>> type www.google.com into the Address bar for the Home Page part
>> of the screen you cite. Nadda.
>
> Did you click "Apply" and then "OK"? And then before doing
> anything else, quit IE? When you restart IE what shows up in
> the window? Google or MSN? What happens when you click the
> "Home" icon?
This turned out to be a switch in NAV 2006 that is intended to
prevent a rogue site from hijacking my homepage. However msn.com
did that, this NAV switch prevented me from changing it back. Just
Un-checking it did the trick!
>> Yet, when I click on home, what I really get is msn.com. I did
>> take a look at an MS site that lists dozens of extended
>> switches after "www.microsoft.com", so MS obviously has LOTS of
>> altered behaviors in mind besides just a browser's home page.
>
> I don't have IE 6 on any of my machines. So, I can't explicitly
> test your problem. On the XP system I have IE 7 and on the W2k
> one IE 5, both accept the changes I enter, and come up with it
> when they first load. Also, when I click the "Home" icon, they
> both go to the home page I've set.
>
>> Any other ideas for me to investigate would be appreicated.
>> And, have a great week!
>
> If you can't get IE to perform the way you want, consider
> uninstalling and reinstalling it, or install IE 7 instead.
>
> Have you run scans for viruses and malware, etc?
>
I did a partial scan, but NOW that all this grief happened for NO
apparent reason, you can bet your socks I'll be running a full scan
today! Thanks again.
> It APPEARS that both the File& Settings Transfer Wizard TOTAL
> failure I was seeing AND the OE6 spell check error were both caused
> by the same UNknown problem either early on November 15 or late
> night the 14th. I'll probably NEVER know exactly how all 3 of these
> things occured simultaneously, but going to Safe Mode and rolling
> my system back to the morning of November 14 SEEMS to have done the
> trick.
>
> My thanks to you and ALL those you patiently offered suggestions
> for me to solve these problems. I'll respond separately to those
> who are still trying to assist me with a couple of annoyances on my
> wife's new Sony VAIO laptop PC.
>
> Have a great week, Terry!
>
You're welcome Jerry. Now that you've rolled back you may not see it,
but I would check to see if any Windows Updates updated during that
time. You can see when they were installed in Add/Remove Programs,
checking the option "Show updates" at the top.
>
> This turned out to be a switch in NAV 2006 that is intended to prevent a
> rogue site from hijacking my homepage. However msn.com did that, this
> NAV switch prevented me from changing it back. Just Un-checking it did
> the trick!
NAV. Ineffective as usual. ;-) Personally, I prefer Avast! (http://
www.avast.com/). The free home version.
Glad you found the "problem."
Stef
[snip all the past discussion with Terry]
>> Have a great week, Terry!
>
> You're welcome Jerry. Now that you've rolled back you may not
> see it, but I would check to see if any Windows Updates updated
> during that time. You can see when they were installed in
> Add/Remove Programs, checking the option "Show updates" at the
> top.
>
Terry, that I know of, NO Windows updates were installed during the
3 days I rolled back. In fact, there's a notice of a few Critical
Updates right now that I don't want to install until I get
everything back to normal. As you can guess from my demeanor, I do
NOT allow ANY MS function of app to auto-update. I have them ALL
set to "notify me but do not download". That allows me to set an RP
and be ready for the changes, plus I have the opportunity to turn
off anything I really don't want.
BTW, I'm in the middle of a FULL, LARGE malware scan right now
trying to find what caused this entire mess. I think I have all the
major malfunctions working again, thanks to Google and people like
you giving me ideas to check on. But, my system is running slower
than it was earlier this week, especially when something is
accessing a lot of disc I/O. I also carefully used JV16 Powertools
to clean all the crap out of my Registry but I have yet to find ANY
signs of a malware infection, any kind of app or web site hijack,
nothing at all that would explain all of this.
Hopefully, I WILL eventually get my system back to it's normal
running and speed. In the meantime, I am backing up my files,
including OE6 E-mail, my Desktop now that Files & Settings Transfer
Wizard is working again, and as soon as I'm SURE there is NO
malware, I'll image the entire primary parition with Acronis True
Image.
Have a good one, and thanks for all the kind words and useful
suggestions!
>> This turned out to be a switch in NAV 2006 that is intended to
>> prevent a rogue site from hijacking my homepage. However
>> msn.com did that, this NAV switch prevented me from changing it
>> back. Just Un-checking it did the trick!
>
> NAV. Ineffective as usual. ;-) Personally, I prefer Avast!
> (http:// www.avast.com/). The free home version.
>
> Glad you found the "problem."
Thanks, Stef.
I know all the horror stories about Symantec et al, and I've had my
share of them. In this case, NAV was doing EXACTLY what it was
supposed to, BUT, somehow msn.com managed to hijack it's way into
my homepage and then NAV, doing it's job in blocking changes,
wouldn't let ME change it back! What bullshit!
But, I won't be NAVing much longer. I'm going to rip it out of my
system by a variety of means and install Computer Associates full
suite of malware protection except for it's firewall. I want to
keep Zone Alarm for that now that I have "him" trained!
>> What is going on here? More importantly, HOW can I EASILY fix
>> it so that IE6 will obey what I tell it I want as my homepage?
First, please read my comments to Stef, Terry R and others that
explain what finally happened.Short version: my PC is working
again, all problems are solved except now the dang thing runs
slower than it did 5 days ago when anything is doing a lot of disc
I/O. Still working on the malware angle.
> Is the computer fully-patched at Windows Update?
>
I would say in excess of 95% of the post-SP2 updates are installed.
There are SOME that I'm certain don't apply to me and SOME I know
cause trouble, which is why I'm resisting SP3. But, I hardly expect
the wonks in Redmond to find and repair the kind of security holes
that ACTUALLY cause trouble, and not just the ones that MS-haters
like to exploit. That's what my considerable malware protection is
for.'
> What, if any, MSN software is installed (e.g., MSN Toolbar; MSN
> 9.6 [AKA MSN Explorer])?
NONE. Don't like MS apps, I just use the O/S, IE and OE because
they are supported by everyone.
> == (for Agent)
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> www.banthecheck.com
>
Thanks for your many comments and suggestions. I still haven't
found the cause of all this grief but after I'm through running ALL
my malware checks, I'll image the system and back up ALL of my
files and cross my fingers!
Have a nice day!
> including OE6 E-mail, my Desktop now that Files& Settings Transfer
> Wizard is working again, and as soon as I'm SURE there is NO
> malware, I'll image the entire primary parition with Acronis True
> Image.
>
> Have a good one, and thanks for all the kind words and useful
> suggestions!
>
Good choice on JV16. It's my tool of choice, although I use the last
free version. GUI is quirky sometimes, but otherwise it works well.
Sounds like you have it under control. Take care,
> Stefan Patric added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>> This turned out to be a switch in NAV 2006 that is intended to prevent
>>> a rogue site from hijacking my homepage. However msn.com did that,
>>> this NAV switch prevented me from changing it back. Just Un-checking
>>> it did the trick!
>>
>> NAV. Ineffective as usual. ;-) Personally, I prefer Avast! (http://
>> www.avast.com/). The free home version.
>>
>> Glad you found the "problem."
>
> Thanks, Stef.
>
> I know all the horror stories about Symantec et al, and I've had my
> share of them. In this case, NAV was doing EXACTLY what it was supposed
> to, BUT, somehow msn.com managed to hijack it's way into my homepage and
> then NAV, doing it's job in blocking changes, wouldn't let ME change it
> back! What bullshit!
NAV wasn't doing its job. It's suppose to PREVENT an OUTSIDE entity from
changing or infecting your machine--It didn't!-not prevent the properly
logged-in User from making changes.
I would contact Norton, and tell them in no uncertain terminology what
you think of their software.
> But, I won't be NAVing much longer. I'm going to rip it out of my system
> by a variety of means and install Computer Associates full suite of
> malware protection except for it's firewall. I want to keep Zone Alarm
> for that now that I have "him" trained!
Another thing you can do to further increase system security is to create
a user with limited or restricted access, that is, no Administrator
privileges, can't install programs, can't change or edit system-wide
configs, can't write to system areas on the hard drive, etc., for
everyday use. (Why Windows still, by default, gives the user Admin
privileges is beyond reason: It's the biggest security hole in Windows.)
Only use Admin when you need to like installing software or changing
global system settings.
Stef
>> I know all the horror stories about Symantec et al, and I've
>> had my share of them. In this case, NAV was doing EXACTLY what
>> it was supposed to, BUT, somehow msn.com managed to hijack it's
>> way into my homepage and then NAV, doing it's job in blocking
>> changes, wouldn't let ME change it back! What bullshit!
>
> NAV wasn't doing its job. It's suppose to PREVENT an OUTSIDE
> entity from changing or infecting your machine--It didn't!-not
> prevent the properly logged-in User from making changes.
Yes and no, Stef. I meant that the box for "prevent homepage
changes" was checked yet msn.com got through somehow. That was why
I couldn't get back to Google. I had to UNcheck that, get Google,
then check it again.
> I would contact Norton, and tell them in no uncertain
> terminology what you think of their software.
Thank you for all your useful comments. As for NAV and all of
Norton System Works, it is HISTORY. I UNinstalled the whole mess
today then ran Norton Removal Tool. Seems to have done the trick.
I bought a multi-PC license for CA Security Suite 2009 (2010 on
update). It does the entire protection NAV used to. I also bought
(but haven't installed yet) Avenquest Fix-It Utilies 9 to replace
Norton Utilities.
As for telling Symantec they suck, I rather think they already know
it, as do our friends at McAfee who are just as bad. Symantec, when
it was still "Norton" was a GOOD company. Now, they just buy up
other people's work then mangle it. A sad example of this is
PowerQuest's Partition Magic. Symantec bought it and NEVER updated
it past PQ's 8.01. How they expect to deal with Vista, much less
Win 7, is beyond me. Whatever, I see your point but there's no
sensse getting cranked up with some idiot support droid in another
country who has no control over the software anyway.
>> But, I won't be NAVing much longer. I'm going to rip it out of
>> my system by a variety of means and install Computer Associates
>> full suite of malware protection except for it's firewall. I
>> want to keep Zone Alarm for that now that I have "him" trained!
>
> Another thing you can do to further increase system security is
> to create a user with limited or restricted access, that is, no
> Administrator privileges, can't install programs, can't change
> or edit system-wide configs, can't write to system areas on the
> hard drive, etc., for everyday use. (Why Windows still, by
> default, gives the user Admin privileges is beyond reason: It's
> the biggest security hole in Windows.) Only use Admin when you
> need to like installing software or changing global system
> settings.
>
I'm the only user on this PC, Stef. There's only my account with
full Admin privileges and the Windows Administrator account. It's
impossible to run even a moderately complex system without being an
Admin.
Again, many thanks and have a good Sunday!
> <plonk>
A really mature response for a MC "valued person". I said nothing
to insult you or MS. When I said "please read ...", I MEANT go read
the answer to your comments and questions so I don't have to type
it again and everyone else doesn't have to read it again.
NOTE Papa Bear that I always say "thanks".
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