I always backup my hard drive (C: partition which has Windows installed on it) before I install any software or Microsoft Updates such as SP2. Logic is, if anything should go wrong I can always get back to where I started using the 'Image' backup I made of the C: partition/drive. Keep in mind that unless you have a second hard drive (internal or external) or have multiple partitions (C:, D:, E:, Etc) on the only drive in your PC, you can not create an 'Image' backup.
Next best thing is to backup all your data files (Office files, Pictures, Music, Etc.) to another drive or DVD media. Then download Windows XP Service Pack 2 (to a newly created folder on your PC) directly from Microsoft's download site. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8... the download has completed, double click on the file(WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe) to install.Note: This file is 266MB in size but will only install the components thatyou need.JS"Jeanette" <J...@sanantonio.com> wrote in messagenews:945F0B3A-E837-498E-B151-6A20590B09A3@microsoft.com...>I need to install the above in order to install Norton Antivirus 2008.When> I go to do that it says that I should back up all my files. Actually what> files should I back up and do I really need to do that? Has anyone outthere> downloaded it and not backed up their files? Is it possible that I could> lose my files if I don't back them up? Is it talking about MicrosoftOffice> software and all my files associated with that, plus any pictures I might> have on my computer or other files. I don't have to back up the ENTIRE> COMPUTER Hard drive do I? Please help. I am a novice at this type stuff.> Thanks so much.> --> Jeanette
>I need to install the above in order to install Norton Antivirus 2008. >When > I go to do that it says that I should back up all my files. Actually what > files should I back up and do I really need to do that? Has anyone out > there > downloaded it and not backed up their files? Is it possible that I could > lose my files if I don't back them up? Is it talking about Microsoft > Office > software and all my files associated with that, plus any pictures I might > have on my computer or other files. I don't have to back up the ENTIRE > COMPUTER Hard drive do I? Please help. I am a novice at this type stuff. > Thanks so much. > -- > Jeanette
It means it's advisable to backup anything you cannot afford to lose. Program installation files almost certainly don't fall into this category, but family photos, documents you've created yourself, etc may well do.
Personally I took the gamble and installed SP2 without backing up (at the time I had files on my PC I'd *prefer* not to lose, but it wouldn't be a major problem). I had no problems whatsoever. I'd imagine the likelihood of a failed SP2 installation causing you to resort to a backup is fairly low.
If possible back up your C: drive with an imaging program. If you do not have a backup program and are using XP Pro there is a backup program in All Programs>Accessories>System Tools. If you are using XP Home you may need to add Backup from the XP Home cd by navigating to Control Panel>Add/Remove Programs>Add/Remove Windows Componenets and then insert the cd when requested.
The essential thing is to back up your My Documents folder so that if something goes very wrong you can recover your personal files if you have to reinstall Windows and your apps. This is very rare but can happen.
There is nothing to prevent you from just installing SP2 without the precautions but the unlikliest can happen and when it does things get very messy.
>I need to install the above in order to install Norton Antivirus 2008. >When > I go to do that it says that I should back up all my files. Actually what > files should I back up and do I really need to do that? Has anyone out > there > downloaded it and not backed up their files? Is it possible that I could > lose my files if I don't back them up? Is it talking about Microsoft > Office > software and all my files associated with that, plus any pictures I might > have on my computer or other files. I don't have to back up the ENTIRE > COMPUTER Hard drive do I? Please help. I am a novice at this type stuff. > Thanks so much. > -- > Jeanette
Jeanette wrote: > I need to install the above in order to install Norton Antivirus > 2008. When I go to do that it says that I should back up all my > files. Actually what files should I back up and do I really need > to do that? Has anyone out there downloaded it and not backed up > their files? Is it possible that I could lose my files if I don't > back them up? Is it talking about Microsoft Office software and > all my files associated with that, plus any pictures I might have > on my computer or other files. I don't have to back up the ENTIRE > COMPUTER Hard drive do I? Please help. I am a novice at this type > stuff. Thanks so much.
Windows XP Serbvice Pack 2 was released back in 2004. I am surprised you are just getting around to getting it installed.
In any case- you should ALWAYS backup your stuff - periodically and on a schedule. It's just the wise thing to do. It's wise to backup before any major change in the system as well - and this is definitely a major change (SP2 fundamentally changed Windows Xp in many ways.)
The question whether or not anyone has ever done it without backing up their files would be 'sure' - and most of the time there is likely no problem. But there is a chance and it has happened to others - that something goes wrong and you lose everyhting and/or have to pay someone to get your stuff back for you.
When people talk about backups - consider it anything you have made/created/saved. Documents, spreadsheets, pictures, emails, downloaded files, internet explorer favorites, contacts, etc...
Jeanette wrote: > I need to install the above in order to install Norton Antivirus > 2008. When I go to do that it says that I should back up all my > files. Actually what files should I back up and do I really need to > do that? Has anyone out there downloaded it and not backed up their > files? Is it possible that I could lose my files if I don't back > them up? Is it talking about Microsoft Office software and all my > files associated with that, plus any pictures I might have on my > computer or other files. I don't have to back up the ENTIRE COMPUTER > Hard drive do I? Please help. I am a novice at this type stuff.
Backup what you cannot afford to lose.
Another important issue, however, is Norton AV.
Don't do it.
No long-term visitor to this group would recommend Norton.
Norton AV is a resource hog and interferes with many, many operations. For example, there are several applications that cannot be installed if Norton is running. Further, Norton is the barnacle of the software world in that it is difficult to remove.
There are alternatives to Norton that, in all respects, do a better job. Avast and AVG are two of the more popular replacements and both are free.
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:28:12 -0600, Colin Barnhorst wrote: > If you do not have a backup program and are using XP Pro > there is a backup program in All Programs>Accessories>System Tools.
You seem to be recommending the (elsewhere disparaged) NTbackup program (originally by Veritas); do you happen to know whether "System State" completely backs up and restores all registry hives, including that of the user who originally runs (and who later restores)?
Also, do you know what happens if a complete backup (System State + drives) made on one computer is completely restored to another identical computer (ignoring that any extra files on second computer will still remain); what I mean is, does the restored system then keep the "product key" of the original system, or assume that of the completely restored system?
I'm not recommending it but advising the OP what is available in Windows without going to additional expense. It is sufficient for backing up user files but not for transferring the system. For that an image backup program is needed. Otherwise a reinstallation of Windows and apps followed by restoration of the backed up files using ntbackup should suffice.
System state backs up all but the dynamic portion of the hives (the portion in a running system that would be meaningless to save anyway).
An image backup would backup and restore everything, but when the system boots it builds a new hardware device list, compares it to the hardware device list saved on the hard drive, and determines whether the new hardware hash differs from the one at the last activation sufficiently to require reactivation. It has nothing to do with "saving" the product key, which is always part of the hardware hash.
Another computer can be identical physically, but things like the MAC address of the NIC will differ because each NIC has a unique MAC. Identical hard drives have different serial numbers. And so on.
> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:28:12 -0600, Colin Barnhorst wrote:
>> If you do not have a backup program and are using XP Pro >> there is a backup program in All Programs>Accessories>System Tools.
> You seem to be recommending the (elsewhere disparaged) NTbackup program > (originally by Veritas); do you happen to know whether "System State" > completely backs up and restores all registry hives, > including that of the user who originally runs (and who later restores)?
> Also, do you know what happens if a complete backup (System State + > drives) > made on one computer is completely restored to another identical computer > (ignoring that any extra files on second computer will still remain); > what I mean is, does the restored system then keep the "product key" > of the original system, or assume that of the completely restored system?
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:36:57 -0600, Colin Barnhorst kindly wrote: > System state backs up all but the dynamic portion of the hives (the portion > in a running system that would be meaningless to save anyway).
> An image backup would backup and restore everything, but when the system > boots it builds a new hardware device list, compares it to the hardware > device list saved on the hard drive, and determines whether the new hardware > hash differs from the one at the last activation sufficiently to require > reactivation. It has nothing to do with "saving" the product key, which is > always part of the hardware hash.
> Another computer can be identical physically, but things like the MAC > address of the NIC will differ because each NIC has a unique MAC. Identical > hard drives have different serial numbers. And so on.
Thank you very much for the detailed information.
I was particularly interested (for myself as well) in the case that the "other" computer is in fact the very same computer, particularly in the idea of using *any* Windows CD (with any product code that it accepts) that will put XP on the computer and enable running NTbackup, followed by restoring the entire computer (including "System State"), from what was originally written as a complete backup of that very same system, by that very same program.
The above does not completely nail down that this will work, but certainly makes it seem likely that this "bootstrap" procedure would work, even if the "interim" version of XP, installed solely for doing a restore, would _not_ "activate" successfully, so long as the results of _restoring_ the _backup_ would again be accepted as "genuine."
As I asked elsewhere, on XP Pro it is claimed that a complete system backup can be fully restored anyway, using ASR -- aside from the extra recovery disk(s) made by ASR, is there anything more than a normal full system backup (with System State) that is needed to enable ASR to restore the entire system?
If ASR can in fact achieve a complete recovery, from such a backup, then how can it continue being argued that such a recovery isn't possible, without using other sorts of independent "disk image" backups?
Thanks for any help in getting to a final, true conclusion about this point, which is whether a complete built-in System backup can be restored or not, without any additional or separate "disk image" cloning or other backup system, as seems to be an assertion of what comes built into XP Pro.