It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard does
not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down.
Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or
Windows XP problems?
Ivan
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-54078
Does anybody has other suggestion for the notebook keyboard not responding
Ivan
It's likely hardware. You'll need to contact Lenovo for service.
You can test by using a Linux live boot CD, which will not affect the
installed OS. If the problem manifests there too, it has nothing
whatsoever to do with the OS.
HTH
-pk
http://chitchatzionist.livejournal.com/
Mirelle
> "Ivan" <I...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
Alan
"4PeaceMirelle" <anam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7017d46b-cac9-427c...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
See if it works with another keyboard plugged in the back
If it does, it's Hardware..
Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be doing
that.
Alan
"Bob I" <bir...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%2319LxDU...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
John
Exactly.
I DO manage to see most of Alias' posts when I access these Microsoft groups
from my Supernews account.
Alan
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uf0LcBW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Yes, you're right. In the strict, Usenet sense of the term, these are NOT
moderated groups.
Still, the effect is pretty much the same for those users who don't realize
that these Microsoft groups are available via servers other than those
controlled by Microsoft.
But, someone from Microsoft clearly has some sort of huge grudge against
Alias.
Alan
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
news:OIHUKKW0...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
John
John
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23maMKZW...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
John
Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
never contain spam, porn, links to porn or vulgar language, yet many of
his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
servers. On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers
with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows
cds I have had posts c-ens-ored in these groups, so I know that some
things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some
subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in
public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being
said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or
highly critical of Microsoft.
John
John
John
You forgot one category:
Someone advocating the transfer of an OEM license from one PC to another
PC and instucting others how to do so. That's the only thing I can think
of that Ay-lee-uss posts that MS would find objectionable, so although
MS may take freedom of speech seriously, they draw the line at a point
where therir EULA can be circumvented if an unethical person chooses to
do so. Then again, Ay-lee-uss has been very vocal in his belief that the
EULA itself is "unconscionable." An interesting assertion, but when push
comes to shove, he can't logically argue the point:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/43b3f6e406487f9c?hl=en
Notice that Ay-lee-uss never responded. (Or if he did, the message never
propagated.) PD43/Grumpy made an interesting point. But I still believe
that as long as the purchaser decides against installing the OS after
reading the EULA (but obviously after breaking the shrink wrap), he or
she *is* legally entitled to a full refund. But again, I defer to any
attorneys who may be reading this thread.
Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
never contain spam, porn, links to porn or vulgar language, yet many of
his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
servers. On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers
with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows
cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some
things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some
subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in
public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being
said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or
highly critical of Microsoft.
John
John
(Look for post #27)
The post seems innocuous enough to me, but apparentlty not to the powers
that be somewhere out there...
John
Something else is going on as my reply to you had Alias in it and it made it
to the thread. Let's see if this one makes it--ALIAS, alias, Alias. By the
way, I post directly to the MS Server (msnews.microsoft.com) using Outlook
Express
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uAjrhiX0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
John
John
John
Please send me an email through my web site containing the text you believe
is responsible. http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:edDCgdZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uZGIGZZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Well, I tried posting the attached reply below, showing a history of John's
replies to this thread, about 45 minutes ago, and it still hasn't shown up
here.
I'm attaching it again. Let's see if it makes it this time.
Alan
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Hi John,
Here are the posts I found from you in THIS thread, beginning at 12:29 PM
EDT and ending at 6:14 PM EDT, using my Supernews server account.
If you posted any others -- and they were deleted from Microsoft's servers
before they were propagated -- then they won't be here.
Alan
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:29 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uf0LcBW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS
> server)?
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:03 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eARCcUW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> It may not be moderated (strictly speaking) but there are posts that don't
> ever make it to the groups, they are filtered by contents or poster
> name/origin before they make it to the group servers.
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:11 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23maMKZW...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I don't think it's a grudge against him as such, it's more that some of the
>subjects that he raises are obviously pretty touchy for someone at
>Microsoft, they don't like certain things being talked about on their
>servers.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:22 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uAjrhiX0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making it
> to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like reason enough
> to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over because I can no
> longer express my opinion about the subject!
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:48 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23LReDxX...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared yet
> the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to post the
> same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't been posted.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:35 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:O0ED$KY0IH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my 14:22 post)
> and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same message and another
> (new) one with slightly altered contents and the posts aren't showing.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:Ojd2MZY0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Let me try one more time. I will try to paste my reply to Ron in another
> post, in a reply to your post. As soon as I post this I will post a
> second post with a copy of my earlier reply.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uFO0mZY0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Lets see if this will work:
>
> Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
> never contain spam, porn, links to porn or vulgar language, yet many of
> his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
> servers. On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers with
> "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows cds I
> have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some things are
> sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some subjects that
> someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in public! Other than
> that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being said in these groups (on
> their servers), even when it is inflammatory or highly critical of
> Microsoft.
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:23 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23xoQ9lY...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I wonder how long I should wait for that other post to show up... There is
>something in the post that someone doesn't like.
>
> John John (MVP) wrote:
>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:14 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Well, somehow or other, when I tried to repost to Ron earlier, my post
> must have made it somewhere at the exact moment when Google was
> replicating to its servers and by some fluke my attempted repost made it
> on to their servers, under another account with just my short "John" name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from
>>>>>>>>>> making it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems
>>>>>>>>>> like reason enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is
>>>>>>>>>> now over because I can no longer express my opinion about the
>>>>>>>>>> subject!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ron Badour wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have
>>>>>>>>>>> never seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS
>>>>>>>>>>> server merely because there were discussions of or rants about
>>>>>>>>>>> MS. Posts are removed upon the request of the poster if there
>>>>>>>>>>> is a valid reason, if they contain blatant spam, contain
>>>>>>>>>>> excessive profanity, have any reference to porn, could contain
>>>>>>>>>>> dangerous info, etc. MS takes freedom of speech very seriously
>>>>>>>>>>> and does not arbitrarily remove posts just because they are
>>>>>>>>>>> critical of MS. With that said, I don't recall seeing posts
>>>>>>>>>>> made by Alias so I don't know what might be objectionable in his
>>>>>>>>>>> posts if they are indeed being removed. I would also be willing
>>>>>>>>>>> to bet that a person could lose his/her job at MS if he/she
>>>>>>>>>>> removed a post because of a grudge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:uVWB8kZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
I have tried posting replies two times showing a history of John's
replies to this thread, and they still haven't shown up here.
Let's see if this post makes it.
Alan
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:OvqRWiZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Is it okay if I send the replies that I posted -- which HAVEN'T shown up
here -- to your website account?
Alan
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:OvqRWiZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
I am hoping that John will email me the comments he is having trouble with
so I can try posting them.
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"Alan" <some...@nospam.not> wrote in message
news:uMG7euZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Here are the posts I found from you in THIS thread, beginning at 12:29 PM
EDT and ending at 6:14 PM EDT, using my Supernews server account.
If you posted any others -- and they were deleted from Microsoft's servers
before they were propagated -- then they won't be here.
Alan
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:29 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uf0LcBW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS
> server)?
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:03 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eARCcUW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> It may not be moderated (strictly speaking) but there are posts that don't
> ever make it to the groups, they are filtered by contents or poster
> name/origin before they make it to the group servers.
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:11 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23maMKZW...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I don't think it's a grudge against him as such, it's more that some of the
>subjects that he raises are obviously pretty touchy for someone at
>Microsoft, they don't like certain things being talked about on their
>servers.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:22 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uAjrhiX0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making it
> to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like reason enough
> to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over because I can no
> longer express my opinion about the subject!
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:48 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23LReDxX...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared yet
> the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to post the
> same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't been posted.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:35 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:O0ED$KY0IH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my 14:22 post)
> and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same message and another
> (new) one with slightly altered contents and the posts aren't showing.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:Ojd2MZY0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Let me try one more time. I will try to paste my reply to Ron in another
> post, in a reply to your post. As soon as I post this I will post a
> second post with a copy of my earlier reply.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uFO0mZY0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Lets see if this will work:
>
> Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
> never contain spam, porn, links to porn or vulgar language, yet many of
> his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
> servers. On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers with
> "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows cds I
> have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some things are
> sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some subjects that
> someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in public! Other than
> that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being said in these groups (on
> their servers), even when it is inflammatory or highly critical of
> Microsoft.
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:23 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23xoQ9lY...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I wonder how long I should wait for that other post to show up... There is
>something in the post that someone doesn't like.
>
> John John (MVP) wrote:
>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:14 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Well, somehow or other, when I tried to repost to Ron earlier, my post
> must have made it somewhere at the exact moment when Google was
> replicating to its servers and by some fluke my attempted repost made it
> on to their servers, under another account with just my short "John" name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from
>>>>>>>>>> making it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems
>>>>>>>>>> like reason enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is
>>>>>>>>>> now over because I can no longer express my opinion about the
>>>>>>>>>> subject!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ron Badour wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have
>>>>>>>>>>> never seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS
>>>>>>>>>>> server merely because there were discussions of or rants about
>>>>>>>>>>> MS. Posts are removed upon the request of the poster if there
>>>>>>>>>>> is a valid reason, if they contain blatant spam, contain
>>>>>>>>>>> excessive profanity, have any reference to porn, could contain
>>>>>>>>>>> dangerous info, etc. MS takes freedom of speech very seriously
>>>>>>>>>>> and does not arbitrarily remove posts just because they are
>>>>>>>>>>> critical of MS. With that said, I don't recall seeing posts
>>>>>>>>>>> made by Alias so I don't know what might be objectionable in his
>>>>>>>>>>> posts if they are indeed being removed. I would also be willing
>>>>>>>>>>> to bet that a person could lose his/her job at MS if he/she
>>>>>>>>>>> removed a post because of a grudge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uZGIGZZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I'm now going to use my Supernews account to post them, and see if they show
up there....and ultimately Google.
Alan
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:%23$bpb0Z0I...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"Alan" <some...@nospam.not> wrote in message
news:e$roGzZ0I...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
I DO see them using my Supernews server.
Alan
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:OPMfS6Z0...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"Alan" <some...@nospam.not> wrote in message
news:Oy8nM%23Z0IH...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
By the way, I forgot to include one more thing that could be cause for posts
to be removed. MS has rules of conduct for its newsgroups and constant
violation of those rules could result in a person being banned from posting
on a MS Server.
I see some of the posts from pc*butts*1 removed but I don't know why. He
includes in his posts that he is an MS MVP and while that may be true, he is
not a Microsoft MVP which is implied but I don't think that is the reason
his posts are removed--I may be wrong.
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"Alan" <some...@nospam.not> wrote in message
news:Oy8nM%23Z0IH...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I'm also using msnews.microsoft.com for the Microsoft Server name. And I
have NO message rules set for either my OE emails or newsgroups.
If I were using an incorrect setting, I wouldn't be able to post or see ANY
messages in this group, would I?
It seems to be selected messages that I can't post -- or see -- using
msnews.microsoft.com.
However I CAN post and see them using a different newsgroup server.
Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean.
Alan
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:ODH5yCa0...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Well, YOU might be seeing Alias' posts, but I can't see them using the
Microsoft server.
I CAN see those posts, however, using my Supernews server account.
Clearly, something is a bit screwy here.
I suppose if I want to ensure that I see all posts by everyone -- without
filtering or auto-deleting --it's better to NOT use the Microsoft servers.
Alan
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:ud9ljMa0...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
You say that you can see the two posts, but I still can't see them on the
Microsoft server. Yet I DO see them using Supernews.
I've copied/pasted the contents of one of them and I'm submitting it again
via my Supernews account.
I'm sure it will show up when I access this topic from my Supernews account.
I'll be curious to see if it shows up when I access this topic using the
MSFT servers.
Alan
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Hi John and Ron,
Well, I tried posting the attached reply below, showing a history of John's
replies to this thread, about 45 minutes ago, and it still hasn't shown up
here.
I'm attaching it again. Let's see if it makes it this time.
Alan
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Hi John,
Here are the posts I found from you in THIS thread, beginning at 12:29 PM
EDT and ending at 6:14 PM EDT, using my Supernews server account.
If you posted any others -- and they were deleted from Microsoft's servers
before they were propagated -- then they won't be here.
Alan
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:29 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uf0LcBW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS
> server)?
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:03 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eARCcUW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> It may not be moderated (strictly speaking) but there are posts that don't
> ever make it to the groups, they are filtered by contents or poster
> name/origin before they make it to the group servers.
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:11 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23maMKZW...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I don't think it's a grudge against him as such, it's more that some of the
>subjects that he raises are obviously pretty touchy for someone at
>Microsoft, they don't like certain things being talked about on their
>servers.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:22 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uAjrhiX0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making it
> to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like reason enough
> to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over because I can no
> longer express my opinion about the subject!
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:48 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23LReDxX...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared yet
> the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to post the
> same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't been posted.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:35 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:O0ED$KY0IH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my 14:22 post)
> and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same message and another
> (new) one with slightly altered contents and the posts aren't showing.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:Ojd2MZY0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Let me try one more time. I will try to paste my reply to Ron in another
> post, in a reply to your post. As soon as I post this I will post a
> second post with a copy of my earlier reply.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uFO0mZY0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Lets see if this will work:
>
> Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
> never contain spam, porn, links to porn or vulgar language, yet many of
> his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
> servers. On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers with
> "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows cds I
> have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some things are
> sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some subjects that
> someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in public! Other than
> that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being said in these groups (on
> their servers), even when it is inflammatory or highly critical of
> Microsoft.
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:23 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23xoQ9lY...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I wonder how long I should wait for that other post to show up... There is
>something in the post that someone doesn't like.
>
> John John (MVP) wrote:
>
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:14 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Well, somehow or other, when I tried to repost to Ron earlier, my post
> must have made it somewhere at the exact moment when Google was
> replicating to its servers and by some fluke my attempted repost made it
> on to their servers, under another account with just my short "John" name.
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"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:uVWB8kZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If the subject dealt with something illegal, then I would not be surprised
> to see it deleted. However, with that said, I have seen posts (one by a
> former MS MVP) that contained product keys for W98 and the posts were not
> deleted.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Ron Badour
> MS MVP 1997 - 2008
>
>
> "John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:uZGIGZZ0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Yes, it takes something else or something more than just the "A" name. I
>> said something else that someone doesn't like, I tried to post it several
>> times to you and once to Bob, but someone won't allow it or it's
>> triggering a filter rule on the servers. One post managed to make it on
>> to the Google archives, (see another post to Bob I), there isn't much
>> there offensive if you ask me but in the past I have found discussions
>> mentioning the subject to not be allowed on the servers, it appears to be
>> a "touchy" subject.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Ron Badour wrote:
>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Something else is going on as my reply to you had Alias in it and it
>>> made it to the thread. Let's see if this one makes it--ALIAS, alias,
>>> Alias. By the way, I post directly to the MS Server
>>> (msnews.microsoft.com) using Outlook Express
>>>
>
>
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"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:OPMfS6Z0...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Okay, something clearly IS going on here, vis-a-vis, filtering, censoring,
editing....whatever one chooses to call it.
Using my Supernews account, I just reposted messages that you earlier said
that you could see using the microsoft server.
I CAN see the messages using Supernews.
I CAN read the message at Google groups at
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/871df38748c5dcd3
I can NOT see the message using the Microsoft server.
I don't think it's a 'coincidence.'
Alan
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:ud9ljMa0...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
John
Alan
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uukhq9a0...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
John
John
mae
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:%23KV1gRZ...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| John
|
| Something else is going on as my reply to you had Alias in it and it made
it
| to the thread. Let's see if this one makes it--ALIAS, alias, Alias. By
the
| way, I post directly to the MS Server (msnews.microsoft.com) using Outlook
| Express
|
| --
| Regards
|
| Ron Badour
| MS MVP 1997 - 2008
|
|
| "John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
| news:uAjrhiX0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
What about the missing messages that __I__ have sent, which show up reading
this newsgroup in Giganews and Google -- and probably many others -- but
which do NOT show up on the Microsoft servers?
Why are you discounting those?
There clearly is something going on here as far as
filtering/editing/censoring goes.
And, if you know what kind of filtering is being done, would you kindly
share that information with the rest of us?
Alan
"mae" <agra...@notemail.msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23FxRVmh...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
John
John
John
John
Alan
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eyXp0ci0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Alan
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Hi John,
Here are the posts I found from you in THIS thread, beginning at 12:29 PM
EDT and ending at 6:14 PM EDT, using my Supernews server account.
If you posted any others -- and they were deleted from Microsoft's servers
before they were propagated -- then they won't be here.
Alan
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:29 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uf0LcBW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS
> server)?
>
> John
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:03 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eARCcUW0...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> It may not be moderated (strictly speaking) but there are posts that don't
> ever make it to the groups, they are filtered by contents or poster
> name/origin before they make it to the group servers.
>
> John
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:11 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23maMKZW...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I don't think it's a grudge against him as such, it's more that some of the
>subjects that he raises are obviously pretty touchy for someone at
>Microsoft, they don't like certain things being talked about on their
>servers.
>
> John
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:22 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uAjrhiX0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making it
> to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like reason enough
> to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over because I can no
> longer express my opinion about the subject!
>
> John
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:48 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23LReDxX...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared yet
> the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to post the
> same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't been posted.
>
> John
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:35 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:O0ED$KY0IH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my 14:22 post)
> and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same message and another
> (new) one with slightly altered contents and the posts aren't showing.
>
> John
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:Ojd2MZY0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Let me try one more time. I will try to paste my reply to Ron in another
> post, in a reply to your post. As soon as I post this I will post a
> second post with a copy of my earlier reply.
>
> John
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:01 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uFO0mZY0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Lets see if this will work:
>
> Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
> never contain spam, porn, links to porn or vulgar language, yet many of
> his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
> servers. On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers with
> "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows cds I
> have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some things are
> sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some subjects that
> someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in public! Other than
> that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being said in these groups (on
> their servers), even when it is inflammatory or highly critical of
> Microsoft.
>
> John
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:23 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%23xoQ9lY...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I wonder how long I should wait for that other post to show up... There is
>something in the post that someone doesn't like.
>
> John John (MVP) wrote:
>
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Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:14 PM
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Well, somehow or other, when I tried to repost to Ron earlier, my post
> must have made it somewhere at the exact moment when Google was
> replicating to its servers and by some fluke my attempted repost made it
> on to their servers, under another account with just my short "John" name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uMA3SCZ...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
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"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eyXp0ci0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Thanks for the kind words. MS is afraid of Ubuntu and rightfully so.
After all, it's free, is not virus or malware prone and can run on each
and every machine that's running XP right now. As I occasionally suggest
using Ubuntu, I am on their black list. I do notice that if I change my
nick and email address, the posts will go on the MS servers but are
quickly removed. You'd think that MS would have these "moderators" doing
something useful but, after all, look what they did with Vista.
Alias
Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place.
Alias
>
> John John (MVP) wrote:
>> So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS
>> server)?
>> John
>>
>> Daave wrote:
>>
>>> If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in
>>> the first place.
>>>
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from
>>>> 'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted.
>>>>
>>>> Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to
>>>> be doing that.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> "Bob I" <bir...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%2319LxDU...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated
>>>>> public newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
I don't know anyone at MS. I do know that some of my posts never make
the MS servers until I change my email address. So, I am being censored,
pure and simple, and MS is not serious about free speech. They would do
well to set up shop in China where this kind of crap is accepted.
Alias
It might be easier to copy the stuff between the === lines then go here
http://people.csail.mit.edu/hammond/teaching/cs1001/MorseCodeTranslator.html
paste in the box and translate it to english...
==============================================================
.-- .... . - .... . .-. / -.-- --- ..- / .- --. .-. . . / .-- .. - ....
/ .- .-.. .. .- ... / --- .-. / -. --- - / --- -. . / -.-. .- -. / ...
.- ..-. . .-.. -.-- / ... .- -.-- / - .... .- - / .... .. ... / .--. ---
... - ... / -. . ...- . .-. / -.-. --- -. - .- .. -. / ... .--. .- --
--..-- / .--. --- .-. -. --..-- / .-.. .. -. -.- ... / - --- / .--. ---
.-. -. / --- .-. / ...- ..- .-.. --. .- .-. / .-.. .- -. --. ..- .- --.
. --..-- / -.-- . - / -- .- -. -.-- / --- ..-. / .... .. ... / .--. ---
... - ... / .... .- ...- . / -... . . -. / .-. . -- --- ...- . -.. / ---
.-. / .--. .-. . ...- . -. - . -.. / ..-. .-. --- -- / . ...- . .-. / .-
.--. .--. . .- .-. .. -. --. / --- -. / - .... . / -- ... / ... . .-.
...- . .-. ... .-.-.- / / --- -. / -... .-. --- .- -.-. .... .. -. --. /
- .... . / .. ... ... ..- . / --- ..-. / - .... . / .--. .-. .- -.-. -
.. -.-. . / --- ..-. / ... .... .. .--. .--. .. -. --. / -.-. --- --
.--. ..- - . .-. ... / .-- .. - .... / .-. . ... - --- .-. .- - .. ---
-. ... / -.-. -.. ... / .- -. -.. / .-. . -.-. --- ...- . .-. -.-- /
.--. .- .-. - .. - .. --- -. ... / .. -. ... - . .- -.. / --- ..-. / .-.
. .- .-.. / .-- .. -. -.. --- .-- ... / -.-. -.. ... / .. / .... .- ...-
. / .... .- -.. / .--. --- ... - ... / -.-. . -. ... --- .-. . -.. / ..
-. / - .... . ... . / --. .-. --- ..- .--. ... --..-- / ... --- / .. /
-.- -. --- .-- / - .... .- - / ... --- -- . / - .... .. -. --. ... / .-
.-. . / ... . -. ... .. - .. ...- . / - --- / ... --- -- . --- -. . / .-
- / -- .. -.-. .-. --- ... --- ..-. - --..-- / - .... . .-. . / .- .-. .
/ .--- ..- ... - / ... --- -- . / ... ..- -... .--- . -.-. - ... / -
.... .- - / ... --- -- . --- -. . / .- - / -- .. -.-. .-. --- ... ---
..-. - / -.. --- . ... -. - / .-.. .. -.- . / ... . . .. -. --. / .- ..
.-. . -.. / --- ..- - / .. -. / .--. ..- -... .-.. .. -.-. / / --- -
.... . .-. / - .... .- -. / - .... .- - / -- .. -.-. .-. --- ... ---
..-. - / .. ... / --.- ..- .. - . / - --- .-.. . .-. .- -. - / --- ..-.
/ .-- .... .- - / .. ... / -... . .. -. --. / ... .- .. -.. / .. -. / -
.... . ... . / --. .-. --- ..- .--. ... / --- -. / - .... . .. .-. / ...
. .-. ...- . .-. ... --..-- / . ...- . -. / .-- .... . -. / .. - / ..
... / .. -. ..-. .-.. .- -- -- .- - --- .-. -.-- / --- .-. / .... .. --.
.... .-.. -.-- / -.-. .-. .. - .. -.-. .- .-.. / --- ..-. / -- .. -.-.
.-. --- ... --- ..-. - .-.-.- /
========================================================
This one did!
I'm posting this through my giganews account on June 19 at 12:42 PM, EDT.
Alan
"Alias" <iama...@REMOVEgmailTHIS.com> wrote in message
news:g3e16t$7b6$1...@aioe.org...
> Alan wrote:
>> Alias,
>>
>> Not that you asked, but I'm just curious if you've seen some of the posts
>> that a few of us have been writing regarding your 'problems' with posting
>> on Microsoft servers?
>>
>> Alan
>
> No, I haven't seen them. What do they say? I do know that all my posts are
> censored on MS servers. I guess MS is scared of Ubuntu and rightfully so.
> MS would do well in China or Iran.
>
> Alias
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eyXp0ci0...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Are YOU able to see this post in which Alias and I talk about his threads?
Alan
"Alan" <some...@nospam.pew> wrote in message
news:v-WdnWYdpOZFEcfV...@posted.toastnet...
Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my post
won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code! lol I
wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers.
Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and
everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through
tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt
discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going on
or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely
annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post
removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own.
John
Yes THAT post one from Alias did show up. Some of his occasionally do.
However, there are posts being made by John John and me -- discussing this
situation -- which are NOT showing up when they are posted via Microsoft's
newsgroups server.
They DO show up when I post via giganews, and they ARE in Google.
Take a look at this link at
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/d9b0e7f6c12d588c/4407208bde812abf?#
and read through the ENTIRE thread to see what you might have been missing,
if you're depending solely on the MSFT servers.
Alan
"Daave" <dcwash...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message
news:e$ptdui0...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
What's REALLY scary is that Microsoft is actually paying people to
administer their newsgroups, to keep 'subversives' like you off the air.
Alan
"Alias" <iama...@REMOVEgmailTHIS.com> wrote in message
news:g3e219$aok$1...@aioe.org...
John
John John (MVP) wrote:
Curious enough to post it one line at a time yet? ;-)
Maybe the admin of the Microsoft servers thinks that an MVP is being
'disloyal?'
Have you ever visited Siberia in the wintertime? :->
Alan
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:e07MW4i...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
--
norm
I doubt anyone is getting paid when they have shills like Carey Frisch
who would do it for free.
Alias
I changed my email address and Carey Frisch isn't up yet.
Alias
>>> Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place.
>>
>>
>> This one did!
>
> Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my
> post won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code!
> lol I wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers.
>
> Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and
> everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through
> tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt
> discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going
> on or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely
> annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post
> removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own.
Most of Alias's posts are not controversial. Apparently, when he changed
his e-mail address, his posts started showing up again, so MS was
filtering all posts including that old address. My guess is they don't
appreciate it when he gives people instructions on how to transfer an
OEM license from one PC to another.
Strictly speaking, "free speech" is a governmental concept, so MS isn't
really censoring Alias. However, it's pretty close; they are impeding
the free flow of information. Then again, it's their server, and they
are legally allowed to do this. Although I understand their motivations,
they are being disingenuous when they claim to support free speech.
FWIW, there is another issue. Sometimes the MS news server just acts
plain goofy. I've made posts using it which have never showed up. I
would immediately use another news server (my ISP's or Google Groups).
Although those posts propagated, they still never showed on the MS news
server. Then the problem would disappear quickly. Something tripped the
filtering. Perhaps it was a combination of the length, how many quoted
lines (from previous posts) it contained, or a banned poster appearing
at one point in the thread.
Or it might be some sort of weird "Bush Hid the Facts" bug:
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/bush-hid-the-facts-notepad.html
<eg>
Alias
--
norm
-------------------------------------
You are a known and admitted liar, thief, spammer, troll and a bigoted
atheist asshole loser.
>>
>
> I changed my email address and Carey Frisch isn't up yet.
>
> Alias
-----------------------------------------------------------
You're a known and admitted liar, thief, spammer, troll and a bigoted
atheist asshole loser.
Does Carey Frisch have the ability to remove/filter your posts?
So he says.
Alias
>>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Alias posts could be considered by some as being a little overboard by
promoting Ubuntu, or posting from Spain.
"On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers
with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows
cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some
things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some
subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in
public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being
said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or
highly critical of Microsoft."
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
What, pray tell, would posting from Spain have to do with it? Ubuntu is
an excellent alternative to *anything* Windows, especially Vista so I am
*on**topic*. This fact is why MS has its panties in a twist.
Alias
You're a known and admitted liar, thief, spammer, troll and a bigoted
atheist asshole loser.
Frank
"On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers
with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows
cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some
things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some
subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in
public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being
said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or
highly critical of Microsoft."
___________________
My words:
Now, I have to ask the question--why would anyone from MS object to that
text when it is the business practices of OEMs that is being questioned. I
have the same problem with this practice and I wrote to Dell to voice a very
strong opinion why this was a stupid idea (i.e., the hard drive crashes and
the replacement files are lost). In past posts, I listed a hard to find URL
at Dell that a person can use to request a Windows CD:
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:Oi3W$kj0IH...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back to
this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out of
town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or after my
trip.
--
Regards
Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2008
"Ron Badour" <So...@NoAddress.com> wrote in message
news:elNVKtj0...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
John
test the first part of your post:
"Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts
never contain spam, porn, _ _ _ or vulgar language, yet many of
his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS
servers.
John "
mae
"John John (MVP)" <aude...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:%236yYzWk...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...