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rosena

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Dec 23, 2009, 7:27:02 AM12/23/09
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hi can anyone please help me..i bought a windows cd about 2 years ago and it
was fine..now all of a sudden it keeps asking me to activate windows..i have
tried this and it is saying that the product key is unathourised..so every 30
days i have to re-install windows.. help please

Pegasus [MVP]

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Dec 23, 2009, 8:05:18 AM12/23/09
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"rosena" <ros...@discussions.microsoft.com> said this in news item
news:274600DB-6C56-43BE...@microsoft.com...

If you have a legal copy of Windows then you should ring the nearest
Microsoft office and ask them to assist you. If it is a pirated copy then
you have to live with the problem or replace it with a legal copy.

sandy58

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Dec 23, 2009, 9:23:42 AM12/23/09
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rosena, the same happened to me. I have had my Windows XP Home edition
since when. I regularly do a clean install and now Windows, in all
it's wisdom, refuse to activate by phone/net anything. Now I have no
qualms about using pirate stuff. I paid for my XP disk & it is not
being allowed.

DL

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Dec 23, 2009, 9:34:08 AM12/23/09
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Well use phone activation, and sort out the problem properly
And unless you are doing things you should'nt on your PC there is no need to
regularly clean install

"sandy58" <alec...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Daave

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Dec 23, 2009, 10:46:57 AM12/23/09
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If you "regularly do a clean install," you're doing it wrong...

sandy58

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:04:47 PM12/23/09
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So are you saying that there is a limit on how many times one is
allowed to "clean install"? If so, where does it say this is so? I
bought the WinXP disk. Why can I NOT re-install WinXP as much as I
like?

Ken Blake, MVP

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:10:06 PM12/23/09
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You can. There is no limit, and you can reinstall as often as you need
or want to.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

sandy58

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:25:14 PM12/23/09
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On Dec 23, 3:34 pm, "DL" <notva...@spoofaddress.co.uk> wrote:
> Well use phone activation, and sort out the problem properly
> And unless you are doing things you should'nt on your PC there is no need to
> regularly clean install
>
> "sandy58" <alecki...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:e6c63998-2e2d-4bbf...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 23, 1:27 pm, rosena <ros...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > hi can anyone please help me..i bought a windows cd about 2 years ago and
> > it
> > was fine..now all of a sudden it keeps asking me to activate windows..i
> > have
> > tried this and it is saying that the product key is unathourised..so every
> > 30
> > days i have to re-install windows.. help please
>
> rosena, the same happened to me. I have had my Windows XP Home edition
> since when. I regularly do a clean install and now Windows, in all
> it's wisdom, refuse to activate by phone/net anything. Now I have no
> qualms about using pirate stuff. I paid for my XP disk & it is not
> being allowed.

"Well use phone activation, and sort out the problem properly


And unless you are doing things you should'nt on your PC there is no
need to
regularly clean install"

Now what does this statement mean exactly? What am I limited to doing
on MY PC according to YOUR rules? Or rather YOUR understanding of
Microsoft rules, I should say.

sandy58

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:26:10 PM12/23/09
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On Dec 23, 4:46 pm, "Daave" <da...@example.com> wrote:

So are you saying that there is a limit on how many times one is

Tom Willett

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:41:31 PM12/23/09
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"sandy58" <alec...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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You've already been told you can.


ANONYMOUS

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Dec 23, 2009, 3:17:00 PM12/23/09
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Hey DL,

You are jobless and therefore by definition you have no brains. What
gave the right to make rules about what people can do what they can't
do? Is turkey getting into your empty skull? Never mind, it's only a
week to new year and perhaps somebody will feel sorry for you and offer
you a job. You can ask your sister and wife (or girl friend) to join
Peter Foldes' and his family in their professional escort service
business.. They earn about $2,500 per night per person! Your young
sister could command a higher fee for her services.

Bruce Chambers

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:08:11 PM12/23/09
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sandy58 wrote:
>
>
> So are you saying that there is a limit on how many times one is
> allowed to "clean install"? If so, where does it say this is so? I
> bought the WinXP disk. Why can I NOT re-install WinXP as much as I
> like?

There's no limit to the number of times you can reinstall and
activate the same WinXP license on the same PC. Nor is there ever a
charge. Nor does a Product Key (so long as it's not an evaluation
license) ever expire. If it's been more than 120 days since you last
activated that specific Product Key, you'll most likely be able to
activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you might
have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


Re-install as often as you like. I've heard of stranger hobbies.


--

Bruce Chambers

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Bruce Chambers

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:09:48 PM12/23/09
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sandy58 wrote:
>
> "Well use phone activation, and sort out the problem properly
> And unless you are doing things you should'nt on your PC there is no
> need to
> regularly clean install"
> Now what does this statement mean exactly? What am I limited to doing
> on MY PC according to YOUR rules? Or rather YOUR understanding of
> Microsoft rules, I should say.


Because there is usually no sound technical reason for reinstalling and
re-activating WinXP so frequently, the phone personnel are probably
having a hard time believing that you're doing so just because it's your
"hobby."

ANONYMOUS

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:26:14 PM12/23/09
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Bruce Chambers wrote:

> "you're doing so just because it's your "hobby."

Hey Brusy (Most Valuable Pig)

So what is wrong with having a hobby of installing and uninstalling of
software packages on one's machine? Is it a crime to do so?

Has this world gone mad with so many pigs around?

Unknown

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Dec 23, 2009, 5:12:38 PM12/23/09
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With pigs like you, yes indeed the world has gone mad. Or, perhaps it's only
Englishmen?
When are you going to cease trying to impress people by acting like an ass?
"ANONYMOUS" <ANON...@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message
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Bill Sharpe

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Dec 23, 2009, 5:42:18 PM12/23/09
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True enough, Dave. I've done one clean install in 26 years of owning
computers. Of course, the first MS-DOS machines, with just two floppy
drives for file input, essentially consisted of a clean install every
time you turned the computer on. Originally I had to enter the date and
time at each startup.

Still, to each his own. I can't quite figure out why Sandy can't
activate by phone, though.

Bill

Daave

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Dec 23, 2009, 7:01:06 PM12/23/09
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sandy58 wrote:
> On Dec 23, 4:46 pm, "Daave" <da...@example.com> wrote:

>> sandy58 wrote:
>>> On Dec 23, 1:27 pm, rosena <ros...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> hi can anyone please help me..i bought a windows cd about 2 years
>>>> ago and it was fine..now all of a sudden it keeps asking me to
>>>> activate windows..i have tried this and it is saying that the
>>>> product key is unathourised..so every 30 days i have to re-install
>>>> windows.. help please
>>
>>> rosena, the same happened to me. I have had my Windows XP Home
>>> edition since when. I regularly do a clean install and now Windows,
>>> in all it's wisdom, refuse to activate by phone/net anything. Now I
>>> have no qualms about using pirate stuff. I paid for my XP disk & it
>>> is not being allowed.

>> If you "regularly do a clean install," you're doing it wrong...

> So are you saying that there is a limit on how many times one is
> allowed to "clean install"?

I am not saying that at all. As Ken and Bruce correctly stated, there is
no limit to the number of times you may perform reinstallations. If a
reinstall is done withing 120 days of the last one, automatic activation
over the Internet will not occur, though. (The same thing will happen if
you change too many hardware components simultaneously.) What this means
is you need to activate over the telephone. Your line "refuse to
activate by phone/net anything" doesn't contain enough information, but
I'm sure that could be addressed in another thread if you so wish.

Here is my statement again:

>> If you "regularly do a clean install," you're doing it wrong...

Although the license allows one to do so, no one should ever have to
regularly perform Clean Installs. The "you're doing it wrong" meme was a
lame attempt at humor, I suppose (since no one apparently got the joke).

Many people wind up doing this for one or two of the following reasons:

1. They don't practice safe hex, so they are forever getting infected
with malware.

2. They mistakenly believe it is the only way to improve performance.

Also, if you were to image your hard drive once the Clean Install is
done (actually, after it has been activated and updated and all your
programs installed with the desired configurations), you would *never*
have to perform a Clean Install again. :-)

That is, all you would need to do is restore the image and you would get
the equivalent of a Clean Install Plus, with this bonus: it would
already be activated!


Daave

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Dec 23, 2009, 7:03:48 PM12/23/09
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I am sure if he starts a new thread, we could help him figure it out.
Then again, he may be more interested in "using pirate stuff." :-)


Daave

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Dec 23, 2009, 7:06:08 PM12/23/09
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Daave wrote:
> sandy58 wrote:
>> On Dec 23, 4:46 pm, "Daave" <da...@example.com> wrote:
>
>>> sandy58 wrote:
>>>> On Dec 23, 1:27 pm, rosena <ros...@discussions.microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> hi can anyone please help me..i bought a windows cd about 2 years
>>>>> ago and it was fine..now all of a sudden it keeps asking me to
>>>>> activate windows..i have tried this and it is saying that the
>>>>> product key is unathourised..so every 30 days i have to re-install
>>>>> windows.. help please
>>>
>>>> rosena, the same happened to me. I have had my Windows XP Home
>>>> edition since when. I regularly do a clean install and now Windows,
>>>> in all it's wisdom, refuse to activate by phone/net anything. Now I
>>>> have no qualms about using pirate stuff. I paid for my XP disk & it
>>>> is not being allowed.
>
>>> If you "regularly do a clean install," you're doing it wrong...
>
>> So are you saying that there is a limit on how many times one is
>> allowed to "clean install"?
>
> I am not saying that at all. As Ken and Bruce correctly stated, there
> is no limit to the number of times you may perform reinstallations.
> If a reinstall is done within 120 days of the last one, automatic

> activation over the Internet will not occur, though. (The same thing
> will happen if you change too many hardware components
> simultaneously.) What this means is you need to activate over the
> telephone. Your line "refuse to activate by phone/net anything"
> doesn't contain enough information, but I'm sure that could be
> addressed in another thread if you so wish.
> Here is my statement again:
>
>>> If you "regularly do a clean install," you're doing it wrong...
>
> Although the license allows one to do so, no one should ever have to
> regularly perform Clean Installs. The "you're doing it wrong" meme
> was a lame attempt at humor, I suppose (since no one apparently got
> the joke).

(Except Bill. :-) )


HeyBub

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Dec 24, 2009, 11:48:15 AM12/24/09
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sandy58 wrote:
>>
>> rosena, the same happened to me. I have had my Windows XP Home
>> edition since when. I regularly do a clean install and now Windows,
>> in all
>> it's wisdom, refuse to activate by phone/net anything. Now I have no
>> qualms about using pirate stuff. I paid for my XP disk & it is not
>> being allowed.
>
> "Well use phone activation, and sort out the problem properly
> And unless you are doing things you should'nt on your PC there is no
> need to
> regularly clean install"
> Now what does this statement mean exactly? What am I limited to doing
> on MY PC according to YOUR rules? Or rather YOUR understanding of
> Microsoft rules, I should say.

Yes, they are Microsoft's (implied) rules, to which you agreed when you
purchased the software.


sandy58

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Dec 24, 2009, 2:39:49 PM12/24/09
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Sorry, HeyBub, but "implied rules" are no rules at all. Rules are made
clear to all concerned parties......not so in this case.

sandy58

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Dec 24, 2009, 2:50:49 PM12/24/09
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On Dec 23, 8:10 pm, "Ken Blake, MVP"

Ken, when I pick up a "nastie" & it is taking me too long to get rid,
it is quicker (for me) to format the partition & re-install my OS. I
am starting with a clean slate, as it were and like it that way. I
used the telephone "mechanical voice" method of activation.
Occasionally I am required to wait on a "real-time" person but always
with the same result. I am duly activated. On the last occasion, which
entering the numbers listed on my PC, I was told that there was an
error in those numbers & eventually advised to consult my (Windows XP)
disk supplier. At present I am in the same boat as rosena, the OP.

Mark Adams

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Dec 24, 2009, 5:49:01 PM12/24/09
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"sandy58" wrote:

> .
>

Once you get the activation sorted, why don't you do as "Daave" suggested
and image your activated clean install to an external hard drive? Since you
refuse to practice safe hex; the next time you kill your OS with Limewire and
Facebook crapware, you won't believe how easy it is to restore your machine
from the image. Daave's right, it'll solve all your activation woes. Keep
your data on a partition separate from the OS and applications. This way you
can restore the OS and apps. without having to handle your data. Much better
than bitching and moaning about it here.

sandy58

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Dec 24, 2009, 6:34:09 PM12/24/09
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On Dec 24, 11:49 pm, Mark Adams <MarkAd...@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

I don't see ANYONE here "bitching & moaning about it here", MA. I
remarked to the OP concerning her predicament, is all. So I suggest,
if YOU are the type to "bitch & moan" you should take yourself off to
another NG & do so there. I hope you are appreciated more there than
here, sunshine. :-) You seem to be the stereo-typical "brought-up-in-
the-Microsoft-environment-breed. Take care. Your slip is showing,
Sonny Jim. :-)

Mark Adams

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Dec 24, 2009, 7:17:01 PM12/24/09
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"sandy58" wrote:

> .
>

I rest my case.

Daave

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Dec 24, 2009, 7:44:02 PM12/24/09
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"Bitching and moaning" is subjective. I can see how some would see the
content of some of your posts as that. And I could equally see others
saying that isn't the case. But it *does* appear you are over-reacting.
To wit:

> I regularly do a clean install and now Windows, in all
> it's wisdom, refuse to activate by phone/net anything. Now I have no
> qualms about using pirate stuff. I paid for my XP disk & it is not
> being allowed.

and

> So are you saying that there is a limit on how many times one is
> allowed to "clean install"? If so, where does it say this is so? I
> bought the WinXP disk. Why can I NOT re-install WinXP as
> much as I like?

and this bit here:

> I remarked to the OP concerning her predicament, is all. So I
> suggest,
> if YOU are the type to "bitch & moan" you should take yourself off to
> another NG & do so there. I hope you are appreciated more there than
> here, sunshine. :-) You seem to be the stereo-typical "brought-up-in-
> the-Microsoft-environment-breed. Take care. Your slip is showing,
> Sonny Jim. :-)

I have a feeling most here would agree these are examples of
over-reacting.

I merely pointed out to you that if you are constantly performing Clean
Installs of XP, you are "doing it wrong." I later explained what I meant
by that. "Doing it wrong" = "not practicing safe hex" *and* not taking
proper precautions in backing up your system.

If you would like to learn to "do it right," many here would be happy to
point you in the right direction to help you.


Mark Adams

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Dec 25, 2009, 1:00:01 AM12/25/09
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"Daave" wrote:

Thanks, Daave. ;-}

Mark

Daave

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Dec 25, 2009, 3:30:56 AM12/25/09
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YW, Sonny Jim. ;-)


sandy58

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Dec 25, 2009, 6:56:12 AM12/25/09
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On Dec 25, 1:17 am, Mark Adams <MarkAd...@discussions.microsoft.com>

Best thing you have said here yet. Rest your jaw, also.

Bill Sharpe

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Dec 25, 2009, 4:57:55 PM12/25/09
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C'mon Daave. I said I did ONE clean install in all those years...
While I didn't interpret "you're doing it wrong" as a joke, I thought it
was most appropriate.

Bill

Bill

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