Microsoft, More Support for Personalized Menus to New Start Menu
Eladio Knipping
get lost in the shuffle. Thanks to those supporting my original $0.02. I
think we have about 12 cents right now... let's bring it up! Note: Please
refer to post "Microsoft PLEASE Bring Personalized Menus to New Start Menu"
for previous discussions.]
Here is a prime example of why workarounds don't cut it:
I am a graduate student doing scientific work. On a specific week I may use
a lot of mathematical/statistical software. On another week I may prepare
reports/presentations. On yet another week I may be programming within
Windows and accessing UNIX machines via an X-server. Another week I may be
doing literature research on the web, e-mailing contacts, running
maintenance on the machine, etc. And since grad-school doesn't have to be
complete torture, sometimes I like to play around with videos, images,
music, etc. (Please don't tell my advisor!)
Obviously, some applications will overlap and these are the ones that I have
on my Quick Launch - which is reduced to four icons and I use the >> arrows
to give me a shorter "menu," but this is only useful if I keep the number of
apps under control. Pinning tens of programs on the start menu defeats the
purpose. (I already have Windows Explorer, IE, Outlook and the Command
Prompt Pinned + 6 recent programs on the left and almost everything on
right, e.g., Recent Documents, Control Panel, Admin Tools.)
The "magic" of personalized menus was that it was a time-varying
reprensantion of your computer usage. Only once in a while would you need to
expand the menu and when you did, viola, that app was now part of your usage
history, i.e. personalization. As time goes by, the personalization
conformed to your changing working habits and this was a GOOD thing.
But going back to my original post, the part that baffles me is why we, the
end-users, weren't given an option of turning Personalized Menu's on and off
with the new XP-style Start Menu. The code is there for the Classic Start
Menu and I'm sure that it should be hard to implement on the new menu. The
removal of what (as seen by the response) is a very popular feature
ALTOGETHER in the new XP-style Start Menu should be reconsidered. I am sure
that many of us would like to see it back as a powertoy or add-on.
Please, bring it back!
Back to work... dissertation coming soon... I hope!
"Rick Zeman" <zeman...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I appreciate the suggestions, but I'm not seeking a 'workaround'. I'm
merely voicing my opinion that Personalized Menus (which required no extra
work on my part) be re-implemented. Which I'm guessing was the intention of
Eladio's original post as well.
Kinda like dropping a note in the suggestion box. (or signing a petition if
you will)
-Rick Z.
"terri" <Assoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You could create a folder for yourself, add all the shortcuts to those
> programs that you use the most, then pin it to the menu. Or, if you don't
> want to put it there, put it in the Programs
> --
> Terri Stratton
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone -
> www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> "Rick Zeman" <zeman...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O5mnSyONBHA.3324@tkmsftngp02...
> Yeah I know, but I've intentionally got it limited to 4 since I have about
7
> things pinned already and I don't want the main start menu popup to fill
the
> entire screen. I also use the quicklaunch bar, but as a power user, there
> are dozens of things I'd like easy access to without wading through the
> clutter of stuff I don't regularly use.
>
> Simply put, personalized menus was a great feature which should have been
> left in.
>
> -Rick Z.
>
> "terri" <Assoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:edgqPHONBHA.2400@tkmsftngp02...
> > Although I'm sure it isn't going to be what you want, you can add a lot
> more
> > spots to the start menu than 4 or 5. Right click Start/properties/Start
> > Menu/Customize and change the number. You can use even more with small
> > icons.
> >
> > Or, you can pin the programs you want available quickly to the start
menu
> > and not even have to open the programs.
> > --
> > Terri Stratton
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone -
> > www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >
> > "Rick Zeman" <zeman...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:eLr52iNNBHA.1360@tkmsftngp02...
> > I'll add another 2 cents to that jar. It makes absolutely no sense that
> > Microsoft took a step backwards on that one. Why not have it in with
the
> > option to remove it just like with 'classic'. Doesn't seem that it
would
> > have been that difficult, the code is probably similar or exactly the
> same.
> > Its almost like its a huge oversight on their part. It would be hard
for
> me
> > to believe that would intentionally leave it out thinking that a few
> > 'recent' programs on the start menu would be a worthy substitute. I
'DO'
> > run more than 4 or five programs on a regular basis, as I'm sure most
> people
> > do. Man I sure hope it gets added as a patch or power toy soon.
> >
> > -Rick
> >
> > Personalized Menu Jar = $.04
> >
> >
> > "Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote in message
> > news:uhqDPMNNBHA.2076@tkmsftngp05...
> > > Yes, I know Personalized Menus still exists if you choose the Classic
> > Start
> > > Menu option, but this should still be an option for the new XP-Style
> Start
> > > Menu when choosing All Programs!!! Having the last few accesible is a
> > start,
> > > but this was really a clutter control tool when you needed the full
> > list!!!
> > >
> > > [By the way, Personalized Menus is an option on Windows 2000 that
> > collapses
> > > your Start Menu's Programs Menu (and sub menus) so that only the most
> > > recently/commonly used menus/folders/shortcuts appear. Why they didn't
> > give
> > > the user the OPTION to have it in the new XP Start Menu is beyond
> > > comprehension, at least my comprehension.]
> > >
> > > Powertoy, Add-on, Update... please bring it back! Heck, you can bring
> back
> > > the annoying paper-clip from cybernetic death and not a handy shell
> tool?
> > > Please think it over.
> > >
> > > My $0.02
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Eladio Knipping
Kyle James Copeland
Hopefully they will take this on as a project so that people who do want
this feature can use it :-)
Cheers,
KC
--
Kyle James Copeland
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote in message
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Eladio Knipping
forwarded it to the appropiate people. Time to come off the soapbox...
"Kyle James Copeland" <ker...@thepond.com> wrote in message
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terri
I hope we've been of some help to you and others that read the thread.
--
Terri Stratton
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote in message
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Kyle James Copeland
KC
--
Kyle James Copeland
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"terri" <Assoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Eladio Knipping
:)
"Kyle James Copeland" <ker...@thepond.com> wrote in message
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Shy Writer \(The artist formerly known as Steve\) ©
I don't think he meant it in an insulting way Terri.. *dimples* How's the tomatoes today?? --Shy
"terri" <Assoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uvM#7bWNBHA.1932@tkmsftngp02...
Shy Writer \(The artist formerly known as Steve\) ©
Kyle; I've always preferred MTV myself.. (Multi-Talented Verbalogist).. Those MVP (Manic Vesting Personalities) have a heavy load.. err.. ahh.. to carry.. yeah.. THAT'S the TICKET! --Shy
"Kyle James Copeland" <ker...@thepond.com> wrote in message news:OyEHyeWNBHA.1932@tkmsftngp02...
Eladio Knipping
Is MVP less than Associate Expert? If so, I apologize.
Now... about them tomatoes???? Am I missing something?
"Shy Writer (The artist formerly known as Steve) Š"
<ShyW...@fogbottom.com> wrote in message
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peaz
I installed the win2k drivers and they work, but when i start the games
it all goes black and i have to restart the computer... anyone know a
fix for this?
//PeaZ
terri
"Shy Writer (The artist formerly known as Steve) Š"
<ShyW...@fogbottom.com> wrote in message
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I don't think he meant it in an insulting way Terri.. *dimples* How's the
terri
Microsoft. Some MVPs are also Associated Experts.
We're different branches of the same family and alll here to help.
--
Terri Stratton
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote in message
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John
"terri" <Assoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Roger W. Stucke
program on the same page as Microsoft's newsgroup rules of conduct:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/news/rules.asp
Naturally, most of the MVP's are pretty well behaved. ;-)
Regards,
Roger
"John" <Now...@notta.com> wrote
> In this case, MVP stands for Most Valued Person!! :-J)
>
> "terri" <Assoc...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > Thanks for the title, but I'm not an MVP. :)
> >
> > I hope we've been of some help to you and others that read the thread.
> > --
> > Terri Stratton
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone -
> > www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> >
> > "Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote
Rick Zeman
-Rick Z.
"terri" <Assoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:#X745tYNBHA.2124@tkmsftngp05...
> No, an MVP is not less than an AE. MVP is a very coveted title awarded by
> Microsoft. Some MVPs are also Associated Experts.
>
> We're different branches of the same family and alll here to help.
> --
> Terri Stratton
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone -
> www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> "Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote in message
> news:#eNm$tXNBHA.1844@tkmsftngp02...
> > You're right Shy Writer.
> > Is MVP less than Associate Expert? If so, I apologize.
> >
> > Now... about them tomatoes???? Am I missing something?
> >
> > "Shy Writer (The artist formerly known as Steve) ©"
Kyle James Copeland
Program, MVP, etc..)
KC
Kyle James Copeland
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Rick Zeman" <zeman...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So how did you guys/gals get the coveted title of Associate Expert?
-Rick Z.
"terri" <Assoc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> No, an MVP is not less than an AE. MVP is a very coveted title awarded by
> Microsoft. Some MVPs are also Associated Experts.
>
> We're different branches of the same family and alll here to help.
> --
> Terri Stratton
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone -
> www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
> "Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote in message
> news:#eNm$tXNBHA.1844@tkmsftngp02...
> > You're right Shy Writer.
> > Is MVP less than Associate Expert? If so, I apologize.
> >
> > Now... about them tomatoes???? Am I missing something?
> >
> > "Shy Writer (The artist formerly known as Steve) Š"
Kyle James Copeland
his reply with you all. I have also included my reply to him. There are
other people in the private group supporting this cause also. If you would
like me to pass more data to him about your views on this issue, please feel
free to let me know... but from the care givin to the length of the reply It
would seem that he has other things that are a much higher priority.
"Raymond Chen (MS)" wrote in message
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> >Is it possible for TweekUI to easily add back the Personalized Menu
> >(collapsing unused items in the start menu) for the All Programs menu in
the
> >Start Panel?
>
> Imagine if Intellimenus were enabled with the XP Start Menu.
>
> You use 5 apps; the rest are not used much. (Studies show that 5
> is the typical number of unique applications users run on a
> regular basis. All the rest are rare.)
>
> Those 5 apps are on the MFU.
>
> You decide today you want to run some other app, one of those
> other apps that you run rarely.
>
> You click All Programs.
>
> You can't find the app because it got chevroned away. It got
> chevroned away because it's a rare app, by definition ... if it
> were a popular app it would be on the MFU already!
>
> If you are a naive user, you say "Hey, who uninstalled all my
> apps? It's missing from All Programs!" It's kind of a misnomer to
> call it "All Programs" when in fact it doesn't show all your
> programs., after al.l.
>
> If you are an experienced user, you say, "Sigh, why do I have to
> keep clicking this chevron? The whole reason I'm going to 'All
> Programs' is that I want to run an app I haven't run in a long
> time, duh. The chevrons should be pre-expanded, save me a click!"
>
> In other words, if we had Intellimenus enabled on All Programs,
> it would just show you your MFU again, since the MFU and
> Intellimenus are both showing the same information, just in
> different ways. That's clearly pointless.
>
> Think of "All Programs" as a really big chevron. The MFU is the
> collapsed version. All Programs is the expanded version.
>
My Reply:
Which would be why i suggested it as a power toy.
For those who DO like it that way, they could turn it on..
If there's an easy way to do it.. would you share?
Not to mention i usually have about 50-60 things in my start menu
20-30 of them i use often
5 or 6 i use more often then those..
The Personalized Menu lets me get to those 20-30 app's easier
and still bennifit from the MFU menu.
For your examples below: the Nieve user woudln't even use Tweak UI...
the power user would know what the option does and not turn it on :-)
Eladio Knipping
Where do you want to go today?
"Kyle James Copeland" <ker...@thepond.com> wrote in message
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terri
"John" <Now...@notta.com> wrote in message
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Kyle James Copeland
was designed for the new All Programs, it was not designed to be tweekable,
so it's not even possible to make a power toy that enables intellimenu's on
the Start Pannel.
Sorry Gang... the best thing that you all can do is submit the idea as a
wish for a future release.
Cheers,
KC
--
Kyle James Copeland
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote in message
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Shy Writer \(The artist formerly known as Steve\) ©
KC - as in copy protection to a hacker, never been a program/routine/etc that can't be "tweaked".. *grin* Someone will do it.. I'm sure. --Shy (just not by me - it's all Ii can do to put the key in and turn my 'puter on :)
"Kyle James Copeland" <ker...@thepond.com> wrote in message news:u9C5uUgNBHA.1444@tkmsftngp03...
Kyle James Copeland
--
Kyle James Copeland
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Shy Writer (The artist formerly known as Steve) Š"
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Eladio Knipping
Maybe one already exists, but it would be nice to have a Microsoft
Suggestion Site for XP (and other MS products) where common users can
suggests changes, additions, tweaks, improvements,... to the operating
system and user interface. I'm sure that beta testers, IT professionals and
MS R&D already perform a similar role for Microsoft, but imagine the wealth
of ideas if everyone had an opportunity! (I'm sure a lot of garbage would
make its way too, but Thomas Edison made 2000 prototypes of the lightbulb
before he got one to actually work! He said he never imagined inventing the
light-bulb would turn out to be a 2000 step process!)
Just an idea... if one does exist... please post information regarding the
website/newsgroup.
Thanks,
EK
Patty MacDuffie
--
Patty MacDuffie
MS MVP for Desktop Systems
"Eladio Knipping" <ekni...@uci.edu> wrote in message news:#uDCa9uNBHA.1444@tkmsftngp03...
dan
could be commented and potentially improved upon by those other than MS
employees (not that there is anything wrong with that!).
dan
"Patty MacDuffie" <MacD...@SENDSPAMHERE.uswest.net> wrote in message
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Shy Writer \(Human at large; Memes in transit.\) ©
"dan" <nos...@tds.net> wrote in message news:uqBytHyNBHA.2128@tkmsftngp04...
John Gessner
like this. Like get fired. MS seems like an imense unnacoutable
immovable monster sometimes where no one is responsible for anything.
You never hear something like, "Oh yeah, VP Charlie decided to do it
that way a year ago and we fired him yesterday for being so damned
stupid" or similar. Its always a comitte or a devision or "Seattle" or
something.
I still wonder who wrote the first manuals for DOS in 1982,83. Where are
they now? I still have those by the way... what a joke.
John Gessner