Yes, If Windows is bad XP Really sucks!
Luis Rodriguez
the OS software, that any program running on Win95, 98, 2000, would run
'even better' on XP, I simply can not work on CorelDraw. This is costing me
money both ways. The money I have had to spend, and the money I can not
produce. I can not even uninswtall the &%#@* O.S. from 3 computers.
Try to get technical support from MS. Try to challenge their mediocre
products here. They simply erase your messages.
Have some decency. Admit your errors. Correct them.
Other than making a few more trillions, what was the technical --and
ethical-- justification of the also sucking 'Me' version? Or this XP thing?
JT Garin
PC......most people earning $$$ with one have a backup...........anyway,
nothing in this entire universe is 100%.......relax....with some help and
dedication on your part....XP will be just fine......
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Luis Rodriguez
This is an over 4 month relaxed verdict. There is no passion here.
I did not buy an XP upgrade to "start to sort XP problems --with a lot of
'dedication' on my part as a 'character building exercise". I just bought
it to correct so many problems created by its prececessor, the 'Me' version.
When this failed, and I found myself in the proverbial MS hell, I bought a
"brand new PC", with XP factory installed to get everythingh smoothly
running.
I am not --UNNECESSARILY, as these Me and XP upgrades have been
unnecessary-- paying good hard earned money to MS to additionally have to be
subjected to their unresponsive, ineffective, incompetent technical support,
so with some 'dedication' on my part that sucking XP will be 'just fine'
What is wrong with you?
"JT Garin" <jga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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JT Garin
Patience...ask for some definitive help here...there are some really GOOD
people here who can help you....
Wrong with me.....a few things...normal....
Take Care.....
John
Jupiter Jones
better' on XP". Most programs do run better, some will not run at all,
others need to be run in Compatibility Mode.
What exactly are your issues? Someone here can help if you give specifics,
hardware configuration, software type and versions etc.
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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Luis Rodriguez
I had tried that. No results.
They (MS Techinical Support People) would only opt to blame software
producers for not keeping up with the milking of the public, and releasing
versions at the same pace of Microsoft.
They are grossly ignorant. Or very well indoctrinated.
Microsoft Windows XP clearly and unequivocally states that any Win 95, 98,
NT and 2000 version programs will run 'even better' on XP.
Thanks for writing.
"JT Garin" <jga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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KB
having. There is alot of great knowledge here and you just may be surprised
and find some answers to your questions. Coming in here with such a negative
attitude isnt going to get you to far. XP is a fantastic piece of software.
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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Jason Tsang
If they don't write the software properly, then it obviously isn't going to work (well).
Your anger should be directed at Corel for not ensuring that their application is compatible with Windows XP.
--
Jason Tsang - Windows XP MVP & Associate Expert
Find out about the MS MVP Program -
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;MVPINTRO
Find out about the Windows XP Expert Zone -
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message news:A1VM8.2703$Ku3.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Luis Rodriguez
the issues under different pseudonyms, because I get eventually proscribed
from posting.
I wish I could refer you to early discussions, but that is impossible, as
these discussions have been erradicated from this group.
Some of the issues (strictly speaking of CorelDraw):
1) You can not import files
2) You can only print to default settings. Try to change them, and you are
in MS territory (Hell)
So, please, let the 'great knowledge there surprise me with answers to these
questions'.
I am all ears.
"KB" <k...@giddeyup.com> wrote in message news:eDQaY8CECHA.2232@tkmsftngp04...
Luis Rodriguez
claims that any Win 95/98/Nt/Me/200/XP and or any of the intermediate and
UNNECESSARY 'editions' driven progarms will run 'even better' on XP, which
is a false staement. They simply won't run properly.
COREL can not predict how many whimsical versions of Windows MS will
release. They have standard setting products that should be carefully
considered by any O.S. that decides to venture a new "version"
BTW, althought they didn't have to, Corel has helped a lot.
My 'anger'; as you put it; or INDIGNATION, as I feel it, is only directed
primarily to greed and secondarily to stupidity. So you should not be
concerned. At least not too much. You don't seem to be too greedy.
"Jason Tsang" <jason-o...@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
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Aussie
Jupiter Jones
to know for future reference.
Your statement "COREL can not predict how many whimsical versions of
Windows MS will release" is very true. However it is also true the other
way around. How many different programs are there, how often are they
changed? Microsoft can not guarantee that any program will work with the
OS, that is the responsibility of the program manufacturer. Corel is
popular, but not popular enough for Microsoft to have to take special
consideration for them at the expense of other applications.
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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dbcurrie
available. I usually use Photopaint, but I muddle around it Draw as well, so
if you can give some specifics, maybe I can try it on my computer and see
what happens.
For what it's worth, I haven't had any problems, but maybe I'm not doing
what you're trying to do.
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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Jupiter Jones
to know for future reference.
Your statement "COREL can not predict how many whimsical versions of
Windows MS will release" is very true. However it is also true the other
way around. How many different programs are there, how often are they
changed? Microsoft can not guarantee that any program will work with the
OS, that is the responsibility of the program manufacturer. Corel is
popular, but not popular enough for Microsoft to have to take special
consideration for them at the expense of other applications.
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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Zakspade
HOWEVER
I issue a challenge.
Where have you seen this written?
Please let the board know as you appear to have no
intention of asking anyone for help or support (which is
what this board is for).
I think I know what you are referring to - but my
knowledge of English must not be as spot on as your's as I
understood differently to the way you are paraphrasing it.
I would go further and suggest that your paraphrasing
constitutes 'misrepresentation'. Where I come from, an
individual cannot be charged with libel or slander of a
corporation.
Clarification is asked for. The source would be best,
rather than a report.
And if you were to include versions of XP installed,
version of CorelDraw, method of install, etc. - it would
also be helpful - assuming you WEANT help rather than a
chance to sound off.
I have my moans and complaints as well - but I try to sort
them. Moaning and groaning is pointless without an aim.
Micro$oft is a pain (I would not use ANY MS products if
possible) - but I cannot avoid it - so I try the best I
can.
Regards,
Zakspade
>.
>
Luis Rodriguez
Luis Rodriguez
"dbcurrie" <dmbc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Luis Rodriguez
IT IS THERE. I will eventually find it and refer you to it. I won't be able
to copy&paste it here because it is in one of those sequence "tutorial"
windows (a la "Powerpoint").
One of the things I was adviced by Somebody on this group was to change the
XP configuration to act as a 98 version. Then I just went to do that. Yes
you supposedly can change the configuration to another version. And I "did"
that only to have the same results. I tried 98, NT, 2000, Me (Don't recall
if 95 was available) It says it there. Why would I lie?
It claims things to the effect of "enhanced reliability, fewer crashes, etc"
none of which is true, as far as I am concerned. It states something to the
effect of "programs running on earlier version should work on XP, as well,
'however' if for any reason you want to work in an earlier version mode, you
can just do that, by selecting WIN 98, 98SE, 2000, XP, Me, and (again I am
not sure if 95 was included)
I have no reason to lie. I also had bought an Upgrade version of XP. While
it was being installed, those windows acclaiming the greatness of XP just
kept popping up. I got rid of the big green box, so I can not textually
transcribe the grandiloquent claims that appear there. I still have the
folder where the CD is inserted. They are a little 'low key' there. They
simply say:
"Welcome to Windows XP. Introducing Windows XP Home Edition, the smartest
Windows ever, with capabilities that put you in charge. Make your experience
your own"
That is, inasmuch as I am concerned a false statement.
Now, just think about this:
If WinXP claims (and I now challenge you or anybody to dispute this):
1) that it can act as 98, 98SE, Me, 2000, NT (with the corollary that
software running for those versiuons will alsoi run on XP)
2) that it is the "smartest Windows ever"
why do you have such a hard time believing me when I say that they claim
programs running on earlier Win versions, will run EVEN better on XP. Hey,
it is the SMARTEST Windows ever, and programs running on earlier version
will also take advantage of this "smartness".
"Jupiter Jones" <k...@tony.com> wrote in message
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Jason Tsang
Better yet, ask Corel for support. They made the software, not MS.
--
Jason Tsang - Windows XP MVP & Associate Expert
Find out about the MS MVP Program -
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;MVPINTRO
Find out about the Windows XP Expert Zone -
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message news:xR3N8.4906$Ku3.3...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Luis Rodriguez
software. The made the OS. Actually, they have made wayyy too many versions
of it.
Yes, the frequency they keep releasing those babes is fully consistent with
your interpretation of 'ancientness', at the piublic's great expense in
software and hardware.
And yes, your narrow minded analysis of the facts is also consistent with MS
methodology. I have news for you:
CorelDraw10 is with respect to MS XP just in the same condition as
CorelDraw8. They were released earlier. Sop, ewhat is different in your
'suggestion'?
I have further news for you: My only hope is CorelDraw9. I know of people
having even worse problems with CorelDraw10.
But, what is yopur point: if Corel releases Coreldraw12, and I bought it and
two months latrer MS launches its masterpiece, the version they seem to be
practicing so much for... Windows &*... would my cdr12 be ancient history?
Would I have to contact corel to fix me the poroblems that Windows &*
brought to my life?
But all of this is moot. MS claims that programs that run oin earlier
versions will run onm XP.
"Jason Tsang" <jason-o...@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
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Jupiter Jones
handy.
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UNBREAKABLE
amazed that you state such problems. With win98 reven with 700 ram the system hanged all the time. And I use many computers, not one... I have fully tested it and I am sure that its some problem with YOUR system and not corel and XP.
I use the corel newsgroups if I have questions (you can find the newservers on the COREL site).
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Luis Rodriguez
they?
I just received my CorelDraw9 today. (Another byproduct expense of WIN XP)
First, I don't know what you mean by cdr8 being 'buggy'. You are the very
first person that I hear saying such a thing. I have never had any major
problems with CDR8, in Win 95, 95Plus, 98, 98SE, except when I inadvertently
had quite a few other applications running. I still work on another
location --I won't make the mistake of changing this-- with 98SE. With all
the expected and natural Windows flaws, I can function. I am somewhat
satisfied with that PC.
The serious problems for me started with ME at this location. To fix the Me
problems, I made the big mistake of buying and Installing XP upgrade. I
could not even uninstall the XP thing, and I don't want to deal with having
to buy at this time, ANOTHER external drive to back everything up and
reformat the C drive, since the backup Seagate tape drive I had can not run
on XP. I WILL do that later. I will get rid of that thing one way or
another.
So, to bypass for now the XP update problem, I just --stupid me-- bought
another PC with the thing factory installed. I said, Hey, what could go
wrong? It is "THE SMARTEST WINDOWS EVER, WITH CAPABILITIES THAT PUT YOU IN
CHARGE" Ha!!
Now, to brief you about CorelDraw9. I just installed it. I am happy to
report that one of the problems is not present with this version. The
printing features so far seem to work prtoperly with XP. BTW, so far I have
not detected a substantial difference btwn cdr8 and 9.
I am also happy to report that the other problem, 'IMPORTING', is working
with cdr, cmx and some bitmap types of extensions. I am having problems with
cliparts, stock photos, and other things. But this I can somehow work
around.
Gee, Now I know what they meant by the slogan "Make your experience your
own" What en 'experience' this XP has been.
------------------------
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Luis Rodriguez
the thing installed. And it is not only XP. Me also brought me a great deal
of aggravation.
I use the corel newgroups as well. Even for these problems, which are
generated b y XP.
"UNBREAKABLE" <n...@yet.com> wrote in message
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2) Corel 9 is far more stable than 8, and has many hidden features and better CODE than 8, mostly the PRINT feature is faster and uses memory better. Maybe I am the first one to tell you this, because I do know what I am saying.
3)Have you tried installing the additional import filters, normally these would have been installed if you did a typical installation but still....
4) there are 2 service packs on the corel site for corel 9. I have used them in the past but I did not install them on my new computer. There is an issue about a time setting when installing those, and because I am in the middle of a big production I do not want to mess with it.
5) I have learned how to overcome problems by myself. I have to say that the XP- COREL 9 combination is very stable, since I SELDOM have to reboot, and I am making books and very complex drafts at this time. Of course I am using a p4 with one gig of ram, but I have corel on my home system that is a Celeron 600 with 256 ram and XP of COURSE and everything works far better than with win98, 98 and ME.
My advise? You should find the problems and iron them out one by one. I would NEVER return to the times when I used 98..... Oh and another thing, I have corel on the same identical machine but with win98... and its SLOWWW!
XP utilizes memory far more efficiently!
Kenny
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message news:6U7N8.5586$Ku3.3...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Colin
>-----Original Message-----
>Read my other messages. It is NOT my 'system'. One of
my 'systems' came with
>the thing installed. And it is not only XP. Me also
brought me a great deal
>of aggravation.
>
>I use the corel newgroups as well. Even for these
problems, which are
>generated b y XP.
You can open any program and there will be two tabs
usually open the hidden one and choose run in
compatability mode for ???? That should do it. Good luck
>
Colin
on. Anyone with sense knows that the software market and
in particular the Windows market had gone soft. The
solution. An OS that very little is compatable with and
that prematurely released will precipitate a flurry of
computer and software purchases. XP has so many hidden
features and was most certainly not for the novice.
Microsoft when asked why they hid so much? Answered. Those
that know how to use it know where to find it. lol lol lol
>> >
>>
>>
>
>.
>
Jlmc
there is a learning curve which you have to accept it is an entirely
different environment.
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KB
stated they have no issues what so ever and state CD runs extremly well
under XP Pro???????? Perhaps the problem lays else where and not really a XP
issue??????
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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Cherise
world should bow and scrape to them.
I know this might be the wrong ng to say this. But because of Win XP
I have decided to go Linux.
It might be difficult to make the transition. But it's got to be
worth it.
Cherise
>After EXPRESS and UNEQUIVOCAL claims in the Win XP references that came with
>the OS software, that any program running on Win95, 98, 2000, would run
>'even better' on XP, I simply can not work on CorelDraw. This is costing me
>money both ways. The money I have had to spend, and the money I can not
>produce. I can not even uninswtall the &%#@* O.S. from 3 computers.
>
>Try to get technical support from MS. Try to challenge their mediocre
>products here. They simply erase your messages.
>
>Have some decency. Admit your errors. Correct them.
>
>Other than making a few more trillions, what was the technical --and
>ethical-- justification of the also sucking 'Me' version? Or this XP thing?
>
>
>
>
"I was going to buy a copy of The Power of Positive Thinking,
and then I thought: What good would that do?"
bnichols
> claims that any Win 95/98/Nt/Me/200/XP and or any of the intermediate and
> UNNECESSARY 'editions' driven progarms will run 'even better' on XP, which
> is a false staement. They simply won't run properly.
>
> COREL can not predict how many whimsical versions of Windows MS will
> release. They have standard setting products that should be carefully
> considered by any O.S. that decides to venture a new "version"
>
> BTW, althought they didn't have to, Corel has helped a lot.
>
> My 'anger'; as you put it; or INDIGNATION, as I feel it, is only directed
> primarily to greed and secondarily to stupidity. So you should not be
> concerned. At least not too much. You don't seem to be too greedy.
Which by definition means he *is* *stupid*, right? <grin> Don't
be down on him too much, or the person who said there were some
good people >here< who could try to help; your response to him
was to ask what was wrong with him. Can't speak for him, but if
I'd suggested asking some of the people here on the NG (who do
NOT work for Microsoft, either in the code or tech support depts.)
& you insulted me that way, I probably would just go my merry way,
leave you alone, not offer again, & let you suffer. You say
there's no emotion but there certainly is, in every post. Although
we may not personally share it with our own favorite apps, we do
understand your frustration that yours doesn't work. Just please
don't take it out on us is all we ask. :)
While I don't do Corel myself, I do do a hundred or so other non-
Microsoft apps. The only one I had to tweak even a little to get
to work is a DOS-based antivirus program, & all I had to do to get
it to work right was use compatibility mode to emulate Win98. XP
does definitely have driver issues with some products, but by &
large most people I know are very happy with it.
And BTW (since you're probably already mad at me anyway <chuckle>),
if you can't show the statement that MS uncategorically states
that EVERY 95/98/2k app ever made will run "even better" under
XP, it probably wouldn't be the best idea to keep insisting it's
there & that no one challenge you on it. :)
Bill
Jim Eshelman
:: Read my other messages. It is NOT my 'system'. One of my 'systems'
:: came with the thing installed. And it is not only XP. Me also
:: brought me a great deal of aggravation.
::
:: I use the corel newgroups as well. Even for these problems, which are
:: generated b y XP.
Generally, when multiple situations produce the same problem, a
troubleshooting strategy is to find those factors which remain in common.
Differerent versions of Windows are differing conditions (especially when
the two versions are XP and ME). And, if I've read your posts correctly, you
have had this occur on more than one computer. The *consistent* factors here
are (1) the Corel software and (2) you. There is a high liklihood that one
or the other is the real source of the problem.
--
Jim Eshelman MS-MVP
Windows Support Center: http://aumha.org
Forums: http://aumha.org/forum/
Jim Eshelman
:: Now, to brief you about CorelDraw9. I just installed it. I am happy
:: to report that one of the problems is not present with this version.
:: The printing features so far seem to work prtoperly with XP. BTW, so
:: far I have not detected a substantial difference btwn cdr8 and 9.
Except, of course, that 9 is working wher 8 was not. That would be a
substantial difference, yes?
Luis Rodriguez
Luis Rodriguez
I promise you, that if and when I find the quotes, I will post them. Now,
when you read the message I am reposting below, [BETWEEN BRACKETS] and apply
the good logic you applied in the first line of your post, you will need no
more "evidence"
Don't 'chucle' too much, when you are swallowing that BS that MS is so
innocent, you may choke. If I were mad at you, I wouldn't give you such
helpful advice.
.................................
[Listen, It is there. i just can't find it now.
IT IS THERE. I will eventually find it and refer you to it. I won't be able
to copy&paste it here because it is in one of those sequence "tutorial"
windows (a la "Powerpoint").
One of the things I was adviced by Somebody on this group was to change the
XP configuration to act as a 98 version. Then I just went to do that. Yes
you supposedly can change the configuration to another version. And I "did"
that only to have the same results. I tried 98, NT, 2000, Me (Don't recall
if 95 was available) It says it there. Why would I lie?
It claims things to the effect of "enhanced reliability, fewer crashes, etc"
none of which is true, as far as I am concerned. It states something to the
effect of "programs running on earlier version should work on XP, as well,
'however' if for any reason you want to work in an earlier version mode, you
can just do that, by selecting WIN 98, 98SE, 2000, XP, Me, and (again I am
not sure if 95 was included)
I have no reason to lie. I also had bought an Upgrade version of XP. While
it was being installed, those windows acclaiming the greatness of XP just
kept popping up. I got rid of the big green box, so I can not textually
transcribe the grandiloquent claims that appear there. I still have the
folder where the CD is inserted. They are a little 'low key' there. They
simply say:
"Welcome to Windows XP. Introducing Windows XP Home Edition, the smartest
Windows ever, with capabilities that put you in charge. Make your experience
your own"
That is, inasmuch as I am concerned a false statement.
Now, just think about this:
If WinXP claims (and I now challenge you or anybody to dispute this):
1) that it can act as 98, 98SE, Me, 2000, NT (with the corollary that
software running for those versiuons will alsoi run on XP)
2) that it is the "smartest Windows ever"
why do you have such a hard time believing me when I say that they claim
programs running on earlier Win versions, will run EVEN better on XP. Hey,
it is the SMARTEST Windows ever, and programs running on earlier version
will also take advantage of this "smartness".]
"Jupiter Jones" <k...@tony.com> wrote in message
news:3gXM8.3610$vo2.2...@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Just for curiosity WHERE is it written? I have not seen it and would like
> to know for future reference.
> Your statement "COREL can not predict how many whimsical versions of
> Windows MS will release" is very true. However it is also true the other
> way around. How many different programs are there, how often are they
> changed? Microsoft can not guarantee that any program will work with the
> OS, that is the responsibility of the program manufacturer. Corel is
> popular, but not popular enough for Microsoft to have to take special
> consideration for them at the expense of other applications.
>
> "Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
> > > "Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xtTM8.2081$Ku3.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > > After EXPRESS and UNEQUIVOCAL claims in the Win XP references that
> came
> > > with
> > > > the OS software, that any program running on Win95, 98, 2000, would
> run
> > > > 'even better' on XP, I simply can not work on CorelDraw. This is
> costing
> > > me
> > > > money both ways. The money I have had to spend, and the money I can
> not
> > > > produce. I can not even uninswtall the &%#@* O.S. from 3 computers.
> > > >
> > > > Try to get technical support from MS. Try to challenge their
mediocre
> > > > products here. They simply erase your messages.
> > > >
> > > > Have some decency. Admit your errors. Correct them.
> > > >
> > > > Other than making a few more trillions, what was the technical --and
> > > > ethical-- justification of the also sucking 'Me' version? Or this XP
> > > thing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Luis Rodriguez
many other things claims to be "The smartest Windows ever, with capabilities
that put you in charge"
Second, one of the reasonsd I am so unhappy about this thing, is that it can
not be normally uninstalled (Althought according to iteself, is very easy to
uninstall)
"Jlmc" <none> wrote in message news:ugaa5d...@corp.supernews.com...
Luis Rodriguez
discussion. Heck, I still have CDR 3, 4, 5, and 7. I even consider trying
them for now. They might have incidentally worked where 8 isn't.
"Jim Eshelman" <newsg...@aumha.org> wrote in message
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Aussie
I love jumping in to these posts.
XP is evil. Employs all those support people, employs those tech people
rewriting drivers, employs ISP providers to maitain internet support
services, new games, demands faster processors, new technology, more stable
systems (well eventually - lol).... (evil=good)
Win 98SE is good. Known widely for it's instability and BSOD, no new drivers
written, redundant software, slow interface (good=old)
So, using my logic (TIC), Evil=Old.
Damn, wish I wasn't over 40.
Lighten up folks - it's all good fun and Bill will get his one day.
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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2) Posts in corel newsgroups reveal multiple people with same problems. The
printer where problems have been ID (using XP driver) is HP laserjet 4V plus
Postscript.
Need I say more?
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Luis Rodriguez
1) The problem is in 2 machines which have XP installed
2) I have worked cdr for a number of years
3) I have run cdr fairly (fairly is defined by what can be expected from
WIN) well on earlier versions of Win.
Now, you are ready to work the sillogysm:
The commun denominator in the problem, is XP.
Luis Rodriguez
1) some people do not use Corel professionally, that's why they have an
academic version also.
That is 'as professional' as the regular one. The only difference is that
after you certify your self as a student of an educational institute, you
are entitled to a far more cheaper price, and you won't receive any of the
books. You'll only get the CD's.
Unbreakable
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Jlmc
hint this could be half your problem. I have yet to find a program I cannot
uninstall if it was installed properly, but I have never used CorelDraw so I
cannot say it won't uninstall.news:y9nN8.9656$Ku3.8...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Jim Eshelman
:: I promise you, that if and when I find the quotes, I will post them.
Thank you.
Jim Eshelman
:: "Welcome to Windows XP. Introducing Windows XP Home Edition, the
:: smartest Windows ever, with capabilities that put you in charge.
:: Make your experience your own"
::
:: That is, inasmuch as I am concerned a false statement.
::
:: Now, just think about this:
::
:: If WinXP claims (and I now challenge you or anybody to dispute this):
::
:: 1) that it can act as 98, 98SE, Me, 2000, NT (with the corollary that
:: software running for those versiuons will alsoi run on XP)
::
:: 2) that it is the "smartest Windows ever"
::
:: why do you have such a hard time believing me when I say that they
:: claim programs running on earlier Win versions, will run EVEN better
:: on XP. Hey, it is the SMARTEST Windows ever, and programs running on
:: earlier version will also take advantage of this "smartness".]
The smartest people I know don't know everything. The smartest Windows ever
isn't perfect at everything.
BTW, has it occurred to you that "smart" has more than one meaning? From a
dictionary, it also means "energetic or quick in movement," and, especially,
"fashionable, elegant." I have no doubt that marketting quite intentionally
used a word that, in common usage, all at the same time means "intelligent,"
"energetic or quick," and "fashionable, elegant." These are all key points
in their marketting.
But I can understanding how you think it "smarts" at the moment! I will be
very interested in reading any flat, unquivocal statements that you find
claiming that it will run *everything.* It won't, and it was never expected
to. Just *almost* everything. There has never bveen a 100% backward
compatible OS. 99% is pretty good.
Jim Eshelman
:: 1) Two different computers. Commun denominator? XP
::
:: 2) Posts in corel newsgroups reveal multiple people with same
:: problems. The printer where problems have been ID (using XP driver)
:: is HP laserjet 4V plus Postscript.
::
:: Need I say more?
Hmm...
Posts in Windows newsgroups reveal nobody with the same problem.
Posts in Corel newsgroups reveal multiple people with the same problems.
Fascinating stuff!
No, I don't think you need say more.
Jim Eshelman
Luis Rodriguez wrote:
:: Yes, but that is something incidental and independent of the course
Jim Eshelman
:: First, there is no 'learning' curve in an OS.
This is very naive.
:: Second, one of the reasonsd I am so unhappy about this thing, is
:: that it can not be normally uninstalled (Althought according to
:: iteself, is very easy to uninstall)
XP? Whataya mean? Doesn't FORMAT still work?
Luis Rodriguez
If I must concede a benefit to Windows is this: THERE IS NO LEARNING CURVE
INVOLVED, after you master its graphic/intuitive operation, it is PRETTY
SIMPLE. Its as simple in 3.1 as it is in XP.
All of this of course involves use and operation.
If you are referring to "FIXING" their problems, well that goes well beyond
use and operation. Then we are facing again the question: If the OS was "the
smartest Windows ever, with capabilities that put you in charge", why would
you have to be in the predicament of having to fix anything?
There is not a problem uninstalling CorelDraw. Read carefully.
There is a problem uninstalling XP, whether it was installed by
user, --using the WIN platform-- or whther it was iinstalled by
manufacturer. IT can not be uninstalled as there is NO icon in the
add/remove hardware section of Control Panel, in clear contravention of
Windows instructions.
Read carefully. You'll write more appropriately when you do it that way.
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calculations on a laptop, while I type. I couldn't wait to post this. I
asked him which version of Win he had. He said, "well now I have 98". He
also said he had to pay $350 to have the computer fixed after everything got
"blown away" --his words-- by XP.
Ha!
Bruce Chambers
HTH&GL,
Bruce Chambers
__
The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice
versa. -- RAH
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Luis Rodriguez
> Luis Rodriguez wrote:
> BTW, has it occurred to you that "smart" has more than one meaning? From a
> dictionary, it also means "energetic or quick in movement," and,
especially,
> "fashionable, elegant." I have no doubt that marketting quite
intentionally
> used a word that, in common usage, all at the same time means
"intelligent,"
> "energetic or quick," and "fashionable, elegant." These are all key points
> in their marketting.
Jim. Thanks. What does the word 'misleading' meant to you?
You are so Microsofty... Smart means 'elegant'... This is getting funny now.
In addition to consulting a technical encyclopedia to see how fix the
problems created by the 'most elegant' Windows ever; you'll also need to
consult a dictionary, to see what they really mean when they say something.
And how do you know when a word may have different connotations?
Listen to you and your fellow MS apostols! Look at you. Look at you! Listen
to you!
Are you now saying that Windows is not the 'smartest" in the intrelligence
sense, but it is just the most "elegant" Windows ever?
Are u guys for real. Are you guys 'elegant' too?
Bruce Chambers
How someone ever came to believe that it should be possible to
"uninstall" an operating system from within itself, and still declare that
there is "no learning curve" is truly beyond me. You have absolutely no
concept of how computers, operating systems, or applications work, yet
you're here trying to dictate how WinXP should support your antique
applications. That's rich.
Why don't you just act like a man, admit you screwed up, and stop trying
to blame an inanimate object for your inadequacies?
HTH&GL,
Bruce Chambers
__
The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice
versa. -- RAH
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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> Please! with the simplistic arguments! Please.
>
> If I must concede a benefit to Windows is this: THERE IS NO LEARNING CURVE
> INVOLVED, after you master its graphic/intuitive operation, it is PRETTY
> SIMPLE. Its as simple in 3.1 as it is in XP.
>
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Luis Rodriguez
> Luis Rodriguez wrote:
> :: 1) Two different computers. Commun denominator? XP
> ::
> :: 2) Posts in corel newsgroups reveal multiple people with same
> :: problems. The printer where problems have been ID (using XP driver)
> :: is HP laserjet 4V plus Postscript.
> ::
> :: Need I say more?
>
> Hmm...
>
> Posts in Windows newsgroups reveal nobody with the same problem.
>
> Posts in Corel newsgroups reveal multiple people with the same problems.
>
> Fascinating stuff!
>
> No, I don't think you need say more.
Not, quite, I do need then to say more:
Posters in MS newgroups received hostile treatment by the 'elegant' MS
gatekeepers...
Entire threads on MS newsgroups get removed...
Need I say more? You know I'll say it if needed.
bnichols
I wouldn't exactly call not being able to show one shred of
evidence a "technicality." };)
>
> I promise you, that if and when I find the quotes, I will post them. Now,
> when you read the message I am reposting below, [BETWEEN BRACKETS] and apply
Fine by me -- when you do, you can start insisting it's there.
No proof, no point, simple as that. ;)
> the good logic you applied in the first line of your post, you will need no
> more "evidence"
Well, seeing as how you've given precisely *no* evidence other than
your own incendiary opinion, which you swear up down & sideways is
*not* colored by emotion.... <g> BTW, I also find *that* claim a
tad difficult to believe, since you insult people every time you
turn around simply because they have the temerity to defy Your
Majesty's orders to not ask you to back up an assertion you made
(which it turns out you're apparently unable to prove & got caught
on. <eg>).
>
> Don't 'chucle' too much, when you are swallowing that BS that MS is so
> innocent, you may choke. If I were mad at you, I wouldn't give you such
> helpful advice.
You do amuse, little one. *My* XP uis working fine & dandy; maybe
yours is just suffering from a P-18 error. };) I see Keyboard
Immunity Syndrome is still alive & well among the Internet's
sandbox generation. <lol> You're not worth our time, child --
welcome to the community where all *other* smart-aleck children
end up: Killfileland.
BTW, if you feel led to fritter your pixels & brain cells trying
to think up a wiseacre retort, be my guest. Might want to put on
your best blue serge suit to get the full effect, since while it
may give you a nice warm feeling, no one else is even going to
notice or care. And of course *I* will never even see it.
<snicker>
In case you harbor any doubts as to the meaning of that, young
lad, I'll be happy to sum it up for you in 2 words, each of
one syllable or less -- "you lose." I hope for your sake you'll
find someone willing to give you useful info in exchange for
attempts at petulant insulting.
One last piece of good advice, though (& no charge for *it*,
either <g>) -- if you ever have to pay somebody to fix anything
for you, don't insult them. They may not only charge you extra,
but also screw it up for you as a bonus. <eg> You kids amuse
me; you think just because you're behind a keyboard you can say
anything you want to anyone you want. One of these days you're
liable to forget & do it in person to someone not as tolerant as
we are, who will rearrange your face for you, gratis. And in
case you're interested, you didn't raise my blood pressure one
iota; the old man was dealing with idiots long before *you* came
along. <lol>
B
bnichols
> stated they have no issues what so ever and state CD runs extremly well
> under XP Pro???????? Perhaps the problem lays else where and not really a XP
> issue??????
I'm thinking ID-10T error, myself. <snicker>
B
bnichols
> :: came with the thing installed. And it is not only XP. Me also
> :: brought me a great deal of aggravation.
> ::
> :: I use the corel newgroups as well. Even for these problems, which are
> :: generated b y XP.
>
> Generally, when multiple situations produce the same problem, a
> troubleshooting strategy is to find those factors which remain in common.
>
> Differerent versions of Windows are differing conditions (especially when
> the two versions are XP and ME). And, if I've read your posts correctly, you
> have had this occur on more than one computer. The *consistent* factors here
> are (1) the Corel software and (2) you. There is a high liklihood that one
> or the other is the real source of the problem.
How dare you even suggest such a thing, Jim? <eg> I'm reminded
of a comment one B. Bunny, Esq., made when I think of our young
friend here: "What a maroon...." }:)
B
UNBREAKABLE
Uninstall him and buy an UPGRADE...
HA hA!
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message news:bOtN8.695$MW2.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Luis Rodriguez
How you dare preach about inadequacies --evidencing a Freudian Syndrome, an
inadequacy in itself-- without knowledge and antecedents. Go to Help, type
in 'Uninstalling Windows XP', and read the following:
BEGINNING OF COPY AND PASTED MATERIAL
To uninstall Windows XP
Under rare circumstances, you may need to uninstall Windows XP and return to
your original operating system.
1.. Open Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel.
2.. In the list of programs, click Windows XP, and then click
Change/Remove.
3.. Click Uninstall Windows XP, and then click Continue.
4.. If any programs have been modified since the upgrade to Windows XP,
you will receive a warning message. Review the warning, and then, if you
want to continue with the uninstall process, click Continue.
5.. Click Yes to confirm that you want to start uninstalling Windows XP.
Your computer will restart automatically. Be sure that any floppy disks
are removed before you click Yes.
Important
a.. You can not uninstall Windows XP Professional if you:
a.. Changed your hard disk configuration; for example, if you have
converted from FAT to NTFS or have created new partitions.
b.. Upgraded from Windows NT 4.0 or Windows 2000 Professional.
b.. Programs that have been modified since the upgrade to Windows XP will
not be consistent after the uninstallation. For example:
a.. If you remove a program and then uninstall Windows XP, parts of the
program (such as Start menu links) will be restored by the uninstallation
process, but other parts of the program (such as its program files) will not
be restored.
b.. If you add a program and then uninstall Windows XP, parts of the
program (such as its registry settings) will be lost.
c.. Changes to programs can result in error messages after the
uninstallation process is complete.
Notes
a.. To open Add or Remove Programs, click Start, click Control Panel, and
then click Add or Remove Programs.
b.. Windows XP will warn you of any issues before the uninstallation
process begins. To correct the problems, repeat changes after Windows XP has
been uninstalled.
c.. New files added to the computer while running Windows XP will not be
deleted. This includes files such as spreadsheets, e-mail messages, desktop
shortcuts, program files, and so on. Some of the files might be created as
you use programs, such as word processing documents.
d.. If you installed a newer version of a software program while running
Windows XP, some of your documents might not be accessible because the
version of that software program installed on your previous operating system
might be older. For example, suppose you use a program to manage your
finances. If you upgraded to a newer version of the finance program on
Windows XP, you document files might have been converted to a newer file
format. After uninstalling Windows XP, you will need to install the updated
version of the finance program before you will be able to access your
documents.
Related Topics
---------
END OF COPY & PASTED MATERIAL
Now as to actually being able to uninstall it that way, don't hold your
breath.
You as I am, are entitled to your ignorance. Your arrogance is unnecessary.
"Bruce Chambers" <bcha...@nospam.cableone.net> wrote in message
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Tom
Tom
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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Luis Rodriguez
> Luis Rodriguez wrote:
> :: First, there is no 'learning' curve in an OS.
>
> This is very naive.
No, it is not naive, because it is the truth. There is no learning curve
involved in using and operating Windows XP or any other version. And that is
the only good thing about it.
Believing that FIXING an OS problem, is an aspect of USE and OPERATION is
not naive. Is simply stupid.
As for the rest of your post, I will not be derailed to your "FORMAT", or
whatever other 'expert' lingo. That is the problem, I am NOT and I am NOT
required to be an expert to use "The smartest --elegant-- etc, etc, etc.
Luis Rodriguez
subject line of this thread.
"Jim Eshelman" <newsg...@aumha.org> wrote in message
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> > You want to corner me on a technicality? How "lawyerish" (brazen) of
you.
>
> I wouldn't exactly call not being able to show one shred of
> evidence a "technicality." };)
I have repeteadly shown many SHREADS of evidence. Read the post. Read it
like you really want to see the other side. Warning: It takes some
reasoning.
> > the good logic you applied in the first line of your post, you will need
no
> > more "evidence"
>
> Well, seeing as how you've given precisely *no* evidence other than
> your own incendiary opinion, which you swear up down & sideways is
> *not* colored by emotion....
I haven't sworn anything. The only 'emotion' here is the pain of financial
loss caused by a falsely advertised product.
>BTW, I also find *that* claim a
> tad difficult to believe, since you insult people every time you
> turn around simply because they have the temerity to defy Your
> Majesty's orders to not ask you to back up an assertion you made
> (which it turns out you're apparently unable to prove & got caught
> on. <eg>).
I have proven what I said. I have not been able to post the quotes. Does
that invalidate the other evidence? Aren't you just hanging from a now
irrelevant technicality? Is that all that you have?
What is that 'majesty' stuff? What "emotions'?
I have dealt with all the MS supporters in this MS newsgroup and I have
backup up everything with reasoned arguments. Whenever I had to use sarcasm
or ridiculing tactics, has only been in a responsive manner. I have been
insulted, and yet kept
stating my case.
> You do amuse, little one. *My* XP uis working fine & dandy; maybe
> yours is just suffering from a P-18 error. };) I see Keyboard
> Immunity Syndrome is still alive & well among the Internet's
> sandbox generation. <lol> You're not worth our time, child --
> welcome to the community where all *other* smart-aleck children
> end up: Killfileland.
See what I mean?
> BTW, if you feel led to fritter your pixels & brain cells trying
> to think up a wiseacre retort, be my guest. Might want to put on
> your best blue serge suit to get the full effect, since while it
> may give you a nice warm feeling, no one else is even going to
> notice or care. And of course *I* will never even see it.
> <snicker>
>
> In case you harbor any doubts as to the meaning of that, young
> lad, I'll be happy to sum it up for you in 2 words, each of
> one syllable or less -- "you lose." I hope for your sake you'll
> find someone willing to give you useful info in exchange for
> attempts at petulant insulting.
>
> One last piece of good advice, though (& no charge for *it*,
> either <g>) -- if you ever have to pay somebody to fix anything
> for you, don't insult them. They may not only charge you extra,
> but also screw it up for you as a bonus. <eg> You kids amuse
> me; you think just because you're behind a keyboard you can say
> anything you want to anyone you want. One of these days you're
> liable to forget & do it in person to someone not as tolerant as
> we are, who will rearrange your face for you, gratis. And in
> case you're interested, you didn't raise my blood pressure one
> iota; the old man was dealing with idiots long before *you* came
> along. <lol>
See what I mean?
BTW for not being worth your time, just take a look at youir entire message.
Since you talk collectively, take a look at the thread. mmhhhh I have to
wonder about that "blood pressure" situation.
Luis Rodriguez
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"Tom" <td...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> If he is THAT stupid I would not be buying any insurance from him!
>
> Tom
You guys don't even realize it, but you are fighting my case for me. It is
so easy to play you.
All these insults about my --and my agents-- limited knowledge of Computer
Science is supposed to help your case? Does one have to be a Wizard to run
XP?
I really hope that there's intelligent life at MS and that somebody is
taking notes.
Jim Eshelman
:: Jim. Thanks. What does the word 'misleading' meant to you?
It means: "Read marketing text with discrimination."
:: You are so Microsofty...
Nope. Never worked there.
:: Smart means 'elegant'... This is getting
:: funny now.
My point is that I am sure that is what was meant by the writers. It's one
of the main features they were advertising in Win XP. People were buying
"elegant" and "great new look" before they were buying any of the technical
benefits, for the most part. "The Best Looking Windows Ever" is what was
selling. (Plus Madonna, flying people, and green hills. The important
stuff.)
:: In addition to consulting a technical encyclopedia to see how fix the
:: problems created by the 'most elegant' Windows ever; you'll also
:: need to consult a dictionary, to see what they really mean when they
:: say something. And how do you know when a word may have different
:: connotations?
This was really just ordinary English, not very sophisticated at all. I
don't think you would need to consult a dictionary to understand it. I just
consulted one to point it out.
:: Are you now saying that Windows is not the 'smartest" in the
:: intrelligence sense, but it is just the most "elegant" Windows ever?
I wasn't saying either, before. I was saying what I believe marketing was
saying. If you had actually read my post, you'd have seen that. Most
intelligent AND most attractive AND quickest.
But yeah, I also think it's the most intelligent, hands down. It doesn't
even have any competition for the title except Win 2000.
:: Are u guys for real. Are you guys 'elegant' too?
Me? Nah. Quick? Yeah, I'll lay claim to that on occasion.
Jim Eshelman
:: "bnichols" <to...@cox.net> wrote in message
::: I wouldn't exactly call not being able to show one shred of
::: evidence a "technicality." };)
::
:: I have repeteadly shown many SHREADS of evidence. Read the post.
Emphasis on shreads. We're all still waiting, though with breath unabated,
for the *unshredded* eivdence. Nothing intact has shown up yet. Take your
time.
:: Read it like you really want to see the other side.
How about: Read it without presupposing any point of view, and just try to
see what the words mean?
:: I haven't sworn anything. The only 'emotion' here is the pain of
:: financial loss caused by a falsely advertised product.
I truly believe you believe what you say. The fact that I've never seen
something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But, having been around a *lot* of
Windows XP advertising, I've never seen it and (subject to contradiction by
being shown) I don't believe it exists. I doubt it is false advertising. I
think it's your own naivete combined with your failure to read carefully and
your tendency to jump to conclusions.
Also a false belief that CD 8 was a good, bug-free program.
:: I have proven what I said. I have not been able to post the quotes.
:: Does that invalidate the other evidence? Aren't you just hanging
:: from a now irrelevant technicality? Is that all that you have?
There has been no evidence. There has been innuendo, spin, and
unsubstantiated claim. That doesn't make your claim untrue per se, it just
makes it unsubstantiated.
:: I have dealt with all the MS supporters in this MS newsgroup and I
:: have backup up everything with reasoned arguments. Whenever I had to
:: use sarcasm or ridiculing tactics, has only been in a responsive
:: manner. I have been insulted, and yet kept stating my case.
Meantime, am I correct that the technical problem you approached with --
certain problems with CD 8 -- has been resolved by your upgrading to CD 9?
Did the newsgroup, and all of the horrible people here, in fact, serve the
primary purpose of giving a working resolution to the presenting problem?
Jim Eshelman
::: Generally, when multiple situations produce the same problem, a
::: troubleshooting strategy is to find those factors which remain in
::: common.
:::
::: Differerent versions of Windows are differing conditions
::: (especially when the two versions are XP and ME). And, if I've read
::: your posts correctly, you have had this occur on more than one
::: computer. The *consistent* factors here are (1) the Corel software
::: real source of the problem.
::
:: How dare you even suggest such a thing, Jim? <eg>
Vast experience. In general, the problem follows the user around, not the
hardware. (If a worker has chronic, diverse, and demanding problems with a
computer, usually when you move them to a new computer, that's the one that
will now have the same class of problems.) That's why I think of myself more
as an educator than a troubleshooter. Ultimately, we only solve these
problems with educating the people who remain as the only surviving common
denominator to a series of problems. Most of them thank us. A few still want
to blame someone else.
Jupiter Jones
save it and also not subsequently deleted it.
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Jim Eshelman
:: "Jim Eshelman" <newsg...@aumha.org> wrote in message
:: news:#qTEqNYECHA.2448@tkmsftngp02...
::: Luis Rodriguez wrote:
::::: First, there is no 'learning' curve in an OS.
:::
::: This is very naive.
::
:: No, it is not naive, because it is the truth. There is no learning
:: curve involved in using and operating Windows XP or any other
:: version. And that is the only good thing about it.
(A) This is naive.
(B) Goto A.
:: Believing that FIXING an OS problem, is an aspect of USE and
:: OPERATION is not naive. Is simply stupid.
An OS, like a car, generally should work without serious problem. Like a
car, an OS will, however, present some problems in different conditions. At
that point, one needs either to fix it, to have it fixed, to live with the
problem, or to abandon the whole thing.
Kevin Davisł
What do they say about "birds of a feather"?
Kevin Davisł
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What could possibly go wrong?
Kevin Davisł
<bcha...@nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
>Greetings --
>
> How someone ever came to believe that it should be possible to
>"uninstall" an operating system from within itself, and still declare that
>there is "no learning curve" is truly beyond me. You have absolutely no
>concept of how computers, operating systems, or applications work, yet
>you're here trying to dictate how WinXP should support your antique
>applications. That's rich.
>
> Why don't you just act like a man, admit you screwed up, and stop trying
>to blame an inanimate object for your inadequacies?
>
>HTH&GL,
>
>Bruce Chambers
>__
It is quite clear that this person has no intention of finding a
solution to his supposed problem. His posts consist almost entirely
of unsubstantiated (to this date) quotes about the software, bashing
the software, and bashing those who would appear to defend it. This
is also in light of several people attempting to look past his
rhetoric and trying to help him. The response is always the same. No
useful dialog has been generated in getting the problem resolved, only
rejection of suggestions quickly turned into another bashing session.
KB
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:FlnN8.9684$Ku3.8...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> 1) Two different computers. Commun denominator? XP
>
> 2) Posts in corel newsgroups reveal multiple people with same problems.
The
> printer where problems have been ID (using XP driver) is HP laserjet 4V
plus
> Postscript.
>
> Need I say more?
>
>
>
> "KB" <k...@giddeyup.com> wrote in message
news:ewzLyCNECHA.1696@tkmsftngp05...
> > Luis, I have spoken to two people today that use XP Pro and CD. Both
have
> > stated they have no issues what so ever and state CD runs extremly well
> > under XP Pro???????? Perhaps the problem lays else where and not really
a
> XP
> > issue??????
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
> > > > "Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
Jason Tsang
troll post
--
Jason Tsang - Windows XP MVP & Associate Expert
Find out about the MS MVP Program -
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;MVPINTRO
Find out about the Windows XP Expert Zone -
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Kevin Davis³" <zkevin...@ask.me.for.my.address.if.u.really.want.it> wrote in message news:3o5dguouo91pebjf8...@4ax.com...
> Kevin Davis³
KB
The common denominator in the problem, is also YOU. :o)
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:RsnN8.9698$Ku3.8...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> Since your premises are false, your conclusions are of course wrong.
>
> 1) The problem is in 2 machines which have XP installed
>
> 2) I have worked cdr for a number of years
>
> 3) I have run cdr fairly (fairly is defined by what can be expected from
> WIN) well on earlier versions of Win.
>
> Now, you are ready to work the sillogysm:
>
> The commun denominator in the problem, is XP.
>
>
>
>
> > Differerent versions of Windows are differing conditions (especially
when
> > the two versions are XP and ME). And, if I've read your posts correctly,
> you
> > have had this occur on more than one computer. The *consistent* factors
> here
> > are (1) the Corel software and (2) you. There is a high liklihood that
one
> > or the other is the real source of the problem.
> >
bnichols
B
> Greetings --
>
>
>
> HTH&GL,
>
> Bruce Chambers
> __
> The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice
> versa. -- RAH
>
> > >
Luis Rodriguez
started it and I finished it. We all have work to do.
I am preaching to the choir and the choir seems to be very convinced that
"La Cucaracha" is a great gospel tune.
Whan I say "don't challenge me" I am not as the hypertensive fellow
suggested imposing my 'majesty' status. I am simply saying, hey, don't
challenge me. I may respond to the challenge. MS may not appreciate it.
This was already proven in my post to the fellow that tried to ridicule me,
styating that an OS could not be uninstalled from within itself. Look for
the post if you didn't read it yet. Where did that guy go?
As for the confused individual that claims that an improvement in operation
in CDR9 proves that the problem is not XP's but Corel's, I can only say...
just get a clue. Both versions precede XP. None was written for XP. XP
however DOES clearly state that you could run it as to be compatible with
any previous versions of Windows. i.e. you could run any progarm written for
any previous version of Windows. Is this too profound to grasp?
Since the level of sophistication and technical capabilitiers are more
demnanding in CDR9 than CDR8, in good logic --well, this is a just figure of
speach when certain prejudicial mentalities are involved-- CDR should work
even better than CDR9. Is this too profound to grasp? On the other hand
following that absurd reasoning, that so conveniently and so promptly is
embraced by this fellow, CDR10 should even work better than CDR9, which is
not the case.
I think it was this same individual who said that the commun denominator in
the problem are XP and yours truly. This fellow certainly does not have any
analytical capability. I have worked Win since 3.1 version. This has been
stated. His --no insult intended, I simply need an adjective-- stupid
conclusions make you wonder. As additional commun denominators, according to
his miopic vision you may add two computers, and the chair I am sitting on,
as both computers are next to each other on a 90 degree angle, and they both
suffer of chronic XPism.
Since what is in question is the version XP of the Windows Operating System,
an intelligent objective fact determination analysis MUST include all
version of Windows. Then, when you do that, you'll have to exclude as
constants in the problem the two computers, the chair, and yes you guessed
it (at least I hope)... yours truly, because the problem was not present
until XP arrived to the picture.
Now to the fun part, "THE EVIDENCE", "THE PROOF":
This, BTW goes beyond pleasing the finicky A.R. challenging fellow(s), that
refuse(s) to get it. MS does not simply say that XP will run "even better"
It goes much, much further. Just read.
I went to my son's computer which has the other "thing" I want to get rid
of, the 'Millenium Edition', and proceded to install the XP upgrade, so I
could read and textually transcribe some of the Great claims of this
"Smartest" (Read "most elegant" Ha!) Windows ever (Read "Until they want to
'cash in' again") He He He... This keeps getting funnier...
Well, I could not go through the entire 72 min. installation to collect more
'jewels' and take the chance that this XP further contaminates my kid's PC;
but here are some treasures, for the archives of FALSE ADVERTISING CLAIMS,
that I gathered within the first 5 or 10 mins.:
"Exceptionally Streamline navigation"
"Your computer will be more faster and MORE RELIABLE (emphasis added)."
"Your Windows XP Home Edition not only starts faster than any previous
version of Windows, but it also runs YOUR PROGRAMS MORE QUICKLY AND RELIABLY
THAN EVER. (Emphasis added) If a program becomes unstable, you can close it
without having to shot down Windows."
NOW, IF IT COMPARES THE RUNNING OF YOUR PROGRAMS WITH ANY PRECEDING POINT IN
TIME, THE INFERENCE IS UNQUESTIONABLE: YOUR PROGRAMS RUNNING ON XP COULD RUN
ON EARLIEST VERSIONS. BUT NOW, WITH XP YOU CAN RUN THEM.... (Drumroll,
please)... MORE QUICKLY AND RELIABLY THAN EVER****
(Additionally, this is one of the many annoying things about XP I had even
forgotten with the CorelDRaw situation. Not only THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE,
but the unstability is far more grave and far more frequent than with 98,
but getting out of it is so much more irritating and frustrating. It is some
sort of HELL)
My favorite: TRY THE EASIEST WINDOWS YET®. Yes, the ® means that that is
ADDITIONALLY a registered Trademark.
(Note 1) Here they use YET, instead of EVER as they do in the CD folder when
they say "The Smartest Windows EVER", which includes even the future. May
God have mercy on us.
(Note 2)Now, if "Smartest" means "most elegant" we should all go and look in
a dictionary what they could possibly mean with "easiest"... Maybe it means
"glamorously introspective"... This keeps getting funnier...
I said "don't challenge me". I also said "The thing sucks" It sucks big time
indeed. It sucks that there was no technical or ethical justification for
it. It was all about getting a few more trillions.
Enough. Let's just all go back to work, so we can keep fattening MS's and
partners pockets. They may be working on the next Win.
Luis Rodriguez
"Exceptionally Streamline navigation"
"Cherise" <che...@phonefun.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:3d056d4a...@news.CIS.DFN.DE...
> I'm with you Luis, I think Microsoft is insufferable. They think the
> world should bow and scrape to them.
>
> I know this might be the wrong ng to say this. But because of Win XP
> I have decided to go Linux.
>
> It might be difficult to make the transition. But it's got to be
> worth it.
>
> Cherise
>
> >After EXPRESS and UNEQUIVOCAL claims in the Win XP references that came
with
> >the OS software, that any program running on Win95, 98, 2000, would run
> >'even better' on XP, I simply can not work on CorelDraw. This is costing
me
> >money both ways. The money I have had to spend, and the money I can not
> >produce. I can not even uninswtall the &%#@* O.S. from 3 computers.
> >
> >Try to get technical support from MS. Try to challenge their mediocre
> >products here. They simply erase your messages.
> >
> >Have some decency. Admit your errors. Correct them.
> >
> >Other than making a few more trillions, what was the technical --and
> >ethical-- justification of the also sucking 'Me' version? Or this XP
thing?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "I was going to buy a copy of The Power of Positive Thinking,
> and then I thought: What good would that do?"
>
>
Luis Rodriguez
As I said, I won't partcipate in any more exchanges. If that mortifies you,
well you can always bite your left elbow. You know, I had almost missed the
obvious.
Check this out:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/whyupgrade/wxpvswin98.asp
If XP so openly 'competes' with its predecessor (98), well it must deliver
EVERY &^%$*# thing 98 delivers AND MORE.
It must support all 98 written programs...
You, you MS ass-kissers don't know what you have just started. Do you still
want me to keep digging? (Rethoric question.)
I won't even see or care for your answer.
If you dare to question any of this, you are prepared to certfy your
stupidity. Are you?
Hacked off with PRATS
You have a problem.
Sadly, you won't be reading this - but for anyone else who
does - here goes ...
You suffer from a couple of problems:
- you read into things what you want
- you don't understand what you are on about
The latter point colours what you do about the former.
If you had a valid point, I am sure that lots of other
would too. And given the degree to which you consider
yourself to be correct - there *must* be lots out there.
With so many, there must be quite a movement to take MS to
task over this in the courts.
Funny - I haven't seen it yet. Perhaps all those millions
are like you and they are unable to do anything beyond
spouting vitriolic junk (look up the word if you find it
challenging - perhaps you'd like to complain about that
too?).
Trust me - I have my own doubts over XP - but I obviously
have more brain cells firing than you. I looked at what I
was doing - if something didn't work - I looked it up.
And I managed it all without throwing my toys out of my
pram.
What I found was this:
There was a lot of software out there that ran under
Windows 98. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR
98.
Windows 98 was quite slack when it came to enforcing
programming rules - that is why it crashed so much.
Remember crashes? Programmers would write software that
they hoped would perform better than competitors'
offerings. To do this, they tried to use 'undocumented'
aspects of the Operating System. Call them 'tweaks'.
Try to liken it to turning the turbo boost on a production
car TOO HIGH in order to extract MORE performance from
it. You will get the extra performance - but at what cost?
Then if you try to do the same in a car with a method of
enforcing the rules (the boost CANNOT be increased or the
engine wil fail to start to ensure no damage) - then you
will find yourself with a car that doesn't go.
Blame the correct people. Talk to the programmers. Talk
to those who know the reasons. Don't read crap and then
regurgitate it in a newsgroup and pretend to know what you
are on about.
Thankfully, you are not able to read this as you have
dropped out of the newsgroup. Thankfully, those looking
for help won't have to put up with rubbish that will put
fear into them. Worries caused by the ignorance of a
supposed knowledgeable person.
This email is really to address anyone who has had
concerns raised by someone who (obviously) is slightly
divorced from reality. Nothing to worry about. There
isn't a plot.
HOWEVER
Moving to XP has three problems to be aware of:
- it looks, feels and behaves different to previous
versions of Windows
AND
- as it was written AFTER Windows 98 programs, it CANNOT
be assumed that 95, 98 programs WILL work flawlessly (or
at all). If there is a problem - then check with the
software manufacturer.
AND
- XP seems to be particually hardware-aware. Run it on
hardware not specifically tested to run it may cause
unexpected results.
And finally ...
>>> If you dare to question any of this,
>>> you are prepared to certfy your
>>> stupidity. Are you?
Luis, Luis, Luis ...
I would feel sorry for you if were not for the fact that
you have ranted on about this so long that you have
proved - beyond doubt - that you are a PRAT.
I work in IT support for big mutinational businesses. I
don't have a bad opinion of anyone - generally - it is
what makes it possible for me to stay in my line of work.
However, I must thank you for allowing my to vent my own
spleen at someone.
Regards,
Hacked off with PRATS
>.
>
Jim Eshelman
:: I have unsubscribed from the newsgroup.
Your statement, on its face, lacks credibility.
But, then, what else is new?
:: If you dare to question any of this, you are prepared to certfy your
:: stupidity. Are you?
Do I get a certificate suitable for framing? Maybe a little plastic coated
card for my wallet, too?
bnichols
> >Greetings --
> >
> > How someone ever came to believe that it should be possible to
> >"uninstall" an operating system from within itself, and still declare that
> >there is "no learning curve" is truly beyond me. You have absolutely no
> >concept of how computers, operating systems, or applications work, yet
> >you're here trying to dictate how WinXP should support your antique
> >applications. That's rich.
> >
> > Why don't you just act like a man, admit you screwed up, and stop trying
> >to blame an inanimate object for your inadequacies?
> >
> >HTH&GL,
> >
> >Bruce Chambers
> >__
>
>
> It is quite clear that this person has no intention of finding a
> solution to his supposed problem. His posts consist almost entirely
> of unsubstantiated (to this date) quotes about the software, bashing
> the software, and bashing those who would appear to defend it. This
> is also in light of several people attempting to look past his
> rhetoric and trying to help him. The response is always the same. No
> useful dialog has been generated in getting the problem resolved, only
> rejection of suggestions quickly turned into another bashing session.
>
> Kevin Davisł
Just out of idle curiosity before I actually put the killfile
into effect, I checked in the corel groups to see what was what.
A couple of folks had given him suggestions, in a couple of cases
very detailed ones on *exactly* what to do, & he kept insisting
it hadn't worked for him. Personally, I have trouble believing
"everyone's out of step but Johnny." If everybody else can make
it fly & he can't, I don't think there's much doubt where the
logjam lies. :)
Bill
bnichols
to even quote people ccorrectly, & to not be able to prove his
claim that every app in the world will run better under XP, the
simple fact of his arrogant attitude that anybody else in the
world who can actually make the software work, or simply disagrees
with him) is either an imebcile or a Macromu$h shill is probably
enough to make 95% of folks blow both him *&* his supposed problem
off. He insulted me right off & I gave him the benefit of the
doubt. When all I got back was a even more insulting lambaste
from someone who didn't know me from Adam's house cat, that was
enough for me. Maybe he'll hear the train *after* it hits him --
I don't know. <chuckle>
B
> You could have summed it up with two words
>
> troll post
>
>
> --
> Jason Tsang - Windows XP MVP & Associate Expert
>
> Find out about the MS MVP Program -
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;MVPINTRO
>
> Find out about the Windows XP Expert Zone -
> www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Kevin Davis?"
> > >
> > > How someone ever came to believe that it should be possible to
> > >"uninstall" an operating system from within itself, and still declare
> that
> > >there is "no learning curve" is truly beyond me. You have absolutely
> no
> > > >
> > It is quite clear that this person has no intention of finding a
> > solution to his supposed problem. His posts consist almost entirely
> > of unsubstantiated (to this date) quotes about the software, bashing
> > the software, and bashing those who would appear to defend it. This
> > is also in light of several people attempting to look past his
> > rhetoric and trying to help him. The response is always the same. No
> > useful dialog has been generated in getting the problem resolved, only
> > rejection of suggestions quickly turned into another bashing session.
> >
> > Kevin Davis?
David Candy
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
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www.mvps.org/serenitymacros
http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?500000002364 or http://www.simtel.com/pub/pd/18669.html
Please don't Reply To All - It gets confusing.
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"bnichols" <to...@cox.net> wrote in message news:12974278.02061...@posting.google.com...
Bruce Chambers
Oh, I'm still here. I just got tired of trying to have a battle of wits
with an unarmed man. The very help file text you quoted about uninstalling
WinXP proved my point. You can uninstall _only_ if you've upgraded from a
previous OS. You claimed to have a new PC with WinXP pre-installed;
therefore, you knew perfectly well that those instructions did not apply to
your situation.
HTH&GL,
Bruce Chambers
__
The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice
versa. -- RAH
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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Jlmc
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:y9nN8.9656$Ku3.8...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> First, there is no 'learning' curve in an OS. Much less in an OS that
among
> many other things claims to be "The smartest Windows ever, with
capabilities
> that put you in charge"
>
> Second, one of the reasonsd I am so unhappy about this thing, is that it
can
> not be normally uninstalled (Althought according to iteself, is very easy
to
> uninstall)
>
>
>
> "Jlmc" <none> wrote in message news:ugaa5d...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Have you ever considered going back to Windows 98? Jumping into Windows
XP
> > there is a learning curve which you have to accept it is an entirely
> > different environment.
> >
> > "Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
> > news:6U7N8.5586$Ku3.3...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > What do you mean 'professionally'? Corel products are professional,
> arent
> > > they?
> > >
> > > I just received my CorelDraw9 today. (Another byproduct expense of WIN
> XP)
> > >
> > > First, I don't know what you mean by cdr8 being 'buggy'. You are the
> very
> > > first person that I hear saying such a thing. I have never had any
major
> > > problems with CDR8, in Win 95, 95Plus, 98, 98SE, except when I
> > inadvertently
> > > had quite a few other applications running. I still work on another
> > > location --I won't make the mistake of changing this-- with 98SE. With
> all
> > > the expected and natural Windows flaws, I can function. I am somewhat
> > > satisfied with that PC.
> > >
> > > The serious problems for me started with ME at this location. To fix
the
> > Me
> > > problems, I made the big mistake of buying and Installing XP upgrade.
I
> > > could not even uninstall the XP thing, and I don't want to deal with
> > having
> > > to buy at this time, ANOTHER external drive to back everything up and
> > > reformat the C drive, since the backup Seagate tape drive I had can
not
> > run
> > > on XP. I WILL do that later. I will get rid of that thing one way or
> > > another.
> > >
> > > So, to bypass for now the XP update problem, I just --stupid me--
bought
> > > another PC with the thing factory installed. I said, Hey, what could
go
> > > wrong? It is "THE SMARTEST WINDOWS EVER, WITH CAPABILITIES THAT PUT
YOU
> IN
> > > CHARGE" Ha!!
> > >
> > > Now, to brief you about CorelDraw9. I just installed it. I am happy to
> > > report that one of the problems is not present with this version. The
> > > printing features so far seem to work prtoperly with XP. BTW, so far I
> > have
> > > not detected a substantial difference btwn cdr8 and 9.
> > >
> > > I am also happy to report that the other problem, 'IMPORTING', is
> working
> > > with cdr, cmx and some bitmap types of extensions. I am having
problems
> > with
> > > cliparts, stock photos, and other things. But this I can somehow work
> > > around.
> > >
> > > Gee, Now I know what they meant by the slogan "Make your experience
your
> > > own" What en 'experience' this XP has been.
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > "UNBREAKABLE" <n...@yet.com> wrote in message
> > news:1023737709.344843@asterix.
> > > tee.gr...
> > > I am using corel 9 professionally on a XP machine. Version 8 was
buggy,
> > but
> > > 9 is great. If you need help send me an email
> > >
> > > fok...@hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xtTM8.2081$Ku3.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Jlmc
with Linux might be your problem. Reload your system with Linux and get on
with life .
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
news:FlnN8.9684$Ku3.8...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> 1) Two different computers. Commun denominator? XP
>
> 2) Posts in corel newsgroups reveal multiple people with same problems.
The
> printer where problems have been ID (using XP driver) is HP laserjet 4V
plus
> Postscript.
>
> Need I say more?
>
>
>
> "KB" <k...@giddeyup.com> wrote in message
news:ewzLyCNECHA.1696@tkmsftngp05...
> > Luis, I have spoken to two people today that use XP Pro and CD. Both
have
> > stated they have no issues what so ever and state CD runs extremly well
> > under XP Pro???????? Perhaps the problem lays else where and not really
a
> XP
> > issue??????
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
Kevin Davisł
<jason-o...@ETEmvps.org> wrote:
>You could have summed it up with two words
>
>troll post
Quite right.
(I used two words, no! now it's up to 11, no ...)
Kevin Davisł
Kevin Davisł
<luis...@optonline.com> wrote:
>I am preaching to the choir
At least he has one talent: completely misusing figures of speech
Kevin Davisł
<luis...@optonline.com> wrote:
>I have unsubscribed from the newsgroup.
Probably because he couldn't find the elusive quote he insists exists
and that everyone accept without proof.
Kevin Davisł
<luis...@optonline.com> wrote:
>You, you MS ass-kissers don't know what you have just started. Do you still
>want me to keep digging?
No, I think the grave is quite deep enough myself. Go ahead and jump
in now. We'll take care of filling it up.
KB
from top to bottom and with every word read, am more convinced you have no
clue what the he!! your are talking about.
"Luis Rodriguez" <luis...@optonline.com> wrote in message
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bnichols
I take it? <chuckle> My paragraph wasn't even 12 lines; if your
screen doesn't default to at least 25 you might want to recheck
your settings, not to mention your etiquette. You don't know me
from Adam's housecat; last I checked, there weren't too many
folks here with badges that say "Elements of Style Cop." I
doubt seriously you're one of them. };)
B
> Heard of a concept called paragraphs, dickwad.
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> David Candy
>
bnichols
> ::: and (2) you. There is a high likelihood that one or the other is the
> ::: real source of the problem.
> :: How dare you even suggest such a thing, Jim? <eg>
>
> Vast experience. In general, the problem follows the user around, not the
> hardware. (If a worker has chronic, diverse, and demanding problems with a
> computer, usually when you move them to a new computer, that's the one that
> will now have the same class of problems.) That's why I think of myself more
> as an educator than a troubleshooter. Ultimately, we only solve these
> problems with educating the people who remain as the only surviving common
> denominator to a series of problems. Most of them thank us. A few still want
> to blame someone else.
Yup. A true scientist won't discount the results of the experiment
just because he didn't get the answer he was looking to verify.
Logical thinking combined with honesty gets you progress, I've
usually found. Make that *dis*honesty, &, well, as one of the first
lessons in my first computer course back in '71 went -- "GIGO."
B
harly
harly :|
"Cherise" <che...@phonefun.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:3d056d4a...@news.CIS.DFN.DE...
> I'm with you Luis, I think Microsoft is insufferable. They think the
> world should bow and scrape to them.
>
> I know this might be the wrong ng to say this. But because of Win XP
> I have decided to go Linux.
>
> It might be difficult to make the transition. But it's got to be
> worth it.
>
> Cherise
>
> >After EXPRESS and UNEQUIVOCAL claims in the Win XP references that came
with
> >the OS software, that any program running on Win95, 98, 2000, would run
> >'even better' on XP, I simply can not work on CorelDraw. This is costing
me
> >money both ways. The money I have had to spend, and the money I can not
> >produce. I can not even uninswtall the &%#@* O.S. from 3 computers.
> >
> >Try to get technical support from MS. Try to challenge their mediocre
> >products here. They simply erase your messages.
> >
> >Have some decency. Admit your errors. Correct them.
> >
> >Other than making a few more trillions, what was the technical --and
> >ethical-- justification of the also sucking 'Me' version? Or this XP
thing?
> >
> >
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