Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1 Security Update KB953297 Fails to install

[Shawn E. Hale]

Windows XP Home
Service Pack 3

All other updates released this date installed fine with the exception of
KB953297. Another home computer installed this update with no problem. The
only difference I can find is that the computer where the install failed had
.NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix KB928366 installed. The article
(http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953297) states that this recent update
"supersedes" the hotfix. I tried to uninstall the hotfix but that lead to
another problem where it could not find the "netfx.msi" file to continue.
So I stopped that hoping to find another answer here. Any thoughts on what
I should do?

[Randy Bell]

Hi Shawn,

I believe if you go to MS Downloads and download the manual installer for
KB953297, you can open it and extract the "netfx.msi" file -- the installer
is a self-extracting zipfile, so you need WinRAR or WinZip or similar
utility to open it and extract the "netfx.msi" file .. HTH and good luck ..
:)

"Shawn E. Hale" <sehale...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OSBXnxGT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

> ...The article

> (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953297) states that this recent update
> "supersedes" the hotfix.

Translation: If you had *not* installed KB928366 and you install KB953297,
you do not need to install KB928366.

See the "How to obtain help" section of
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953297
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

[Shawn E. Hale]

Thanks for the replies. After attempting several of the fixes mentioned in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824643, all unsuccessful, I re-installed
version 1.1 and then the new update installed fine.

"Shawn E. Hale" <sehale...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OSBXnxGT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

[Boxington Headmaker]

"Shawn E. Hale" <sehale...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OSBXnxGT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

I had the same problem, all 100pc's on the network were failing (due, I
think, to previously installed Visual Studio .Net apps, which updated dot
net). It appears that the installer is referencing a registry key to find
the location of the netfx.msi file. When it fails to find the file it
errors out.

I grabbed the dotnetfx.exe file from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=a8f5654f-088e-40b2-bbdb-a83353618b38&displaylang=en,
opened it with WinRAR (or use any comprssion program) and extracted the
netfx.msi to our network. I then entered the network location into the
registry key
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Installer\Products\DDE7F2BCF1D91C3409CFF425AE1E271A\SourceList\Net]
"1"=hex(2):<long hex string you will need to change to your netfx.msi
location>

Then I re-ran the updates and it installed fine.

Hope this helps someone,
Box

[Randy]

Vista 32

I am having the same problem. Found a post for an earlier solution for
Windows XP and Windows 2000. Just type in KB953297 64c and it should come up.

[sherlockomes]

Hi Shawn: Had same problem.... Solution--Uninstall .Net Framework 1.1 from
add/remove programs.This automatically removes an earlier hotfix which i
think is causing the problem.Restart computer and go to windows update as
normal and check for updates.If all is well you will reinstall .Net Framework
1.1 and the problem update KB953297 successfully. This worked on both my
laptops but for some reason i had to try 2 times before the update KB953297
successfully installed on one of mylaptops. Good luck.. Scott.

"Shawn E. Hale" wrote:

> Windows XP Home
> Service Pack 3
>
> All other updates released this date installed fine with the exception of
> KB953297. Another home computer installed this update with no problem. The
> only difference I can find is that the computer where the install failed had

> ..NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix KB928366 installed. The article

[sherlockomes]

Hi Shawn: Had same problem...What i did was to uninstall the .Net Framework
1.1 programme from add/remove programmes.This also appears to remove an
earlier hotfix which may be causing the problem. Restart as normal then go to
update site and check for new updates..which will include the .Net Framework
1.1 and KB953297 which should install with no probs. I did this on both my
laptops and worked except i had to try twice with the KB953297 update on one
of them but it did solve the problem.. Hope it works for you ... Scott.

"Shawn E. Hale" wrote:

> Windows XP Home
> Service Pack 3
>
> All other updates released this date installed fine with the exception of
> KB953297. Another home computer installed this update with no problem. The
> only difference I can find is that the computer where the install failed had

> ..NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix KB928366 installed. The article

[nyislander]

I have the same problem as Shawn with update 953297.

Windows XP Home
Service Pack 3

"Shawn E. Hale" wrote:

> Windows XP Home
> Service Pack 3
>
> All other updates released this date installed fine with the exception of
> KB953297. Another home computer installed this update with no problem. The
> only difference I can find is that the computer where the install failed had

> ..NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix KB928366 installed. The article

[Thiggy]

My experience was to use the Framework Cleanup Tool to remove all versions of
Framework. Then using MS Update custom, added versions from lowest to most
recent one restart at a time. All Framework versions and updates installed
successfully.

Just to mention, uninstalling all Framework versions caused a problem with
Roxio 2009 install, so had to uninstall Roxio and reinstall after the
Framework installs.

Yeh... seems if there's an update failure, it's alway seems to be .Net
Framework.

"Shawn E. Hale" wrote:

> Windows XP Home
> Service Pack 3
>
> All other updates released this date installed fine with the exception of
> KB953297. Another home computer installed this update with no problem. The
> only difference I can find is that the computer where the install failed had

> ..NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix KB928366 installed. The article

[BigDocD]

Hi Shawn, I've had the same problem with KB953297. I used the Cleanup
facility mentioned by Thiggy in his message but only for 1.1. Then, when I
tried to load SP1 for 1.1 directly from its own page I got the message
"C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\V2.0.50727\mscorwks.dll could not be
loaded"
This obvious Microsoft programming bug referring to V2 instead of V1.1
folder is probably the problem occurring for everyone, or if they don't also
have V2 on their machine it's just crashing.
Microsoft, in their great wisdom, don't seem to have an email address to
report these obvious bugs found (I'm a programmer/designer retired after
almost 40 years in the field - pre Microsoft I might add).

So, if the Microsoft person responsible for reviewing these messages can
pass this on and get the problem fixed, please do it.

And Microsoft, I've also had problems with KB970892 as well, but I don't
have that debugged for you yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Al Doherty

"Shawn E. Hale" wrote:

> Windows XP Home
> Service Pack 3
>
> All other updates released this date installed fine with the exception of
> KB953297. Another home computer installed this update with no problem. The
> only difference I can find is that the computer where the install failed had

> ..NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix KB928366 installed. The article

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

No one here represents or works for Microsoft. You may gain the attention
of an MS engineer if you post here:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads

Or see the "How to obtain help" section of
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953297 and/or
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/970892
--
~PA Bear
www.banthecheck.com

BigDocD wrote:
<snip>

> So, if the Microsoft person responsible for reviewing these messages can
> pass this on and get the problem fixed, please do it.
>
> And Microsoft, I've also had problems with KB970892 as well, but I don't

> have that debugged for you yet!...
<snip>

[Harlan Levinson]

When I try to uninstall Framework 1.1 says installation source is not
available. It also shows 1.1hotfix, 2.0SP2, 3.0SP2 & 3.5SP1

How can I get this update to download.? Thanks

[nyislander]

sherlockomes your solution worked well for me. Thank you!

[aussie@discussions.microsoft.com robert aussie]

"sherlockomes" wrote:

> > Thanks sherlockomes that was a good simple answer that finally worked for me

[OzzieMike]

[OzzieMike]

Thanks Mate - worked a treat - uncomplicated and efficient

[Don]

sherlockomes, your solution worked flawlessly for me, as well. Thank you!
--
Don Skolnik

[blader1956]

Is it necessary to have the .Net Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1 Security Update
if you have .Net Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2
--
DKeeney
XP Professional
SP3

"Shawn E. Hale" wrote:

> Windows XP Home
> Service Pack 3
>
> All other updates released this date installed fine with the exception of
> KB953297. Another home computer installed this update with no problem. The
> only difference I can find is that the computer where the install failed had

> ..NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix KB928366 installed. The article

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Yes.

Do I need still need older versions of the .NET Framework on my system after
installing .NET Framework 3.5 SP1?
http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archive/2009/04/20/9557946.aspx

blader1956 wrote:
> Is it necessary to have the .Net Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1 Security
> Update if you have .Net Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2
>

[Sue]

I unintalled .NET Framework 1.1 because I was having the same issue with the
update for kb953297 but .NET Framework 1.1 will not re-install. I went to
the download page and attempted but it failed. I no longer have microsoft
.NET Framework 1.1 on my computer. I do have microsoft .NET Framework 3.5
SP1 on my computer. Do I really need .NET Framework 1.1?

Thanks

Sue

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

Sue wrote:

> I unintalled .NET Framework 1.1 because I was having the same issue with the
> update for kb953297 but .NET Framework 1.1 will not re-install. I went to
> the download page and attempted but it failed. I no longer have microsoft
> .NET Framework 1.1 on my computer. I do have microsoft .NET Framework 3.5
> SP1 on my computer. Do I really need .NET Framework 1.1?

Probably. It depends on what applications you have installed.

Perhaps this will help?

<http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/articles/454956.aspx>

http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/articles/454956.aspx

Harry.

[blader1956]

Sue,

You ask an excellent question. Hopefully someone will step up with an
answer. Why would someone install an update of an older verison than current
running on a system?
--
DKeeney

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

blader1956 wrote:

> You ask an excellent question. Hopefully someone will step up with an
> answer. Why would someone install an update of an older verison than current
> running on a system?

The .NET framework is installed on user's computers in order to run other
software that uses it. Unfortunately, software designed to use .NET 1 will not
work unless .NET 1 is installed, even if a later version of .NET is.

Harry.

[ANONYMOUS]

Harry Johnston [MVP] wrote:

>
> The .NET framework is installed on user's computers in order to run
> other software that uses it. Unfortunately, software designed to use
> .NET 1 will not work unless .NET 1 is installed, even if a later
> version of .NET is.
>
>

Not quite correct. If you install version 3.5 SP1 (incidentally this is
all you need even if you don't have 3.5 original) , it installs all
essential previous versions as well. You don't need any other previous
versions. I have done it, and tested it with adobe CS3, CS4 and
Expression Web 2 & 3, Microaoft Accounting 2009 and Office 2007.

3.5 SP1 is a huge file so it makes sense to bundle everything in it.

[Len]

[Len]

"Len" wrote:Updates failed for me too.
I now have a permanent Icon on my computer informing that Updates are
available and when I shutdown the computer, it takes over seven minutes to
shutdown, it's trying to install KB953297 and KB974417.
Have contacted Microsoft U.K. but so far,, No reply.
I suggest everyone who is having a problem should send an email to Microsoft
and tell them about this problem and how disgruntled we are.

[Harlan Levinson]

I am still not able to to the update

When I try to uninstall Framework 1.1 says installation source is not
available. It also shows 1.1hotfix, 2.0SP2, 3.0SP2 & 3.5SP1

How can I get this update to download.?

I tried to download.net framework 1.1, but not sure I did the correct
thing

I have never had any problems with updates in 5 years of having this
computer Thanks

[Ed Pyle]

I had the same problem with the KB953297 security update for Microsoft .NET
Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1. I tried to uninstall .NET Framework 1.1 from
the Add/Remove Programs in Display Panel. However, I got a message the the
source location could not be found which is usually indicative of a Windows
Installer problem. I used the Windows Installer CleanUp utility to uninstall
.NET Framework 1.1. I then reinstalled .NET Frameword 1.1 and .NET Framework
1.1 SP-1. After that KB953297 installed without any problems.

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

ANONYMOUS wrote:

>> The .NET framework is installed on user's computers in order to run
>> other software that uses it. Unfortunately, software designed to use
>> .NET 1 will not work unless .NET 1 is installed, even if a later
>> version of .NET is.

> Not quite correct. If you install version 3.5 SP1 (incidentally this is
> all you need even if you don't have 3.5 original) , it installs all
> essential previous versions as well.

Not quite. Version 3.5 SP1 includes versions 2 and 3, but does not include
version 1. If you have applications that need version 1, it will need to be
installed separately.

Harry.

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

Harlan Levinson wrote:

> I am still not able to to the update
> When I try to uninstall Framework 1.1 says installation source is not
> available. It also shows 1.1hotfix, 2.0SP2, 3.0SP2 & 3.5SP1

I'm going to refer you to MowGreen's post, which I copy below for your benefit.
Alternately you could try Ed Pyle's suggestion, which looks to be sound.

Harry.

To: *All Windows Users* who encounter installation issues when installing
Security updates for .NET Frameworks

Every time there's a Security update for .NET Frameworks there is an inordinate
amount of posts dealing with installation issues.

If Users do not call in and report these issues then Microsoft will
*never* be aware of them. MS will provide ***no-charge support***
in getting .NET Security updates installed.

PLEASE call in or contact MS via chat or email, dependent upon your geographical
location.

From each and every .NET Framework Security update Knowledge Base Article:

EX: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953297

" How to obtain help and support for this security update

For home users, no-charge support is available by calling 1-866-PCSAFETY in the
United States and Canada or by contacting your local Microsoft subsidiary. For
more information about how to contact your local Microsoft subsidiary for
support issues with security updates, visit the Microsoft International Support
Web site:
http://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx?rdpath=4

North American customers can also obtain instant access to unlimited no-charge
e-mail support or to unlimited individual chat support by visiting the following
Microsoft Web site:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=7552 "

MowGreen
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

banthecheck.com
"Security updates should *never* have *non-security content* prechecked"

[ANONYMOUS]

Harry Johnston [MVP] wrote:

>
> Not quite. Version 3.5 SP1 includes versions 2 and 3, but does not
> include version 1. If you have applications that need version 1, it
> will need to be installed separately.
>

Name me one program using version 1 or 1.1. In fact version 1 was
released for the benefit of programers who want to create Windows user
interface. There were no programs making use of this or actually
requiring it to run efficiently as everything was within the
applications making use of this. From version 2, it was possible to
streamline the process and to make smaller applications but requiring
dot net to make it work because all UI was within the dot net (not in
applications).

But like everything you will no doubt name ONE application making use of
1.0 or 1.1.

Within the next few weeks there will be version 4 to support Windows 7
but it will be backward compatible to support old XP and Vista
applications. Though, insiders tell me that version 2.0 will become a
collectors' relics when dot net 4.0 comes out and it won't be supported
any more.

hth

[Harry Johnston [MVP]]

ANONYMOUS wrote:

>> Not quite. Version 3.5 SP1 includes versions 2 and 3, but does not
>> include version 1. If you have applications that need version 1, it
>> will need to be installed separately.
>
> Name me one program using version 1 or 1.1.

Apart from Visual Studio 2003 itself, I have no idea. But if you aren't running
any applications that use 1.1, there's no reason for it to have been installed
in the first place.

... in XP, that is. In Vista it's built-in.

Harry.

[Harlan Levinson]

Thanks Harry, I ended up calling MS. After 1hour 40 min yesterday and
1hour 50 min today, they finally got the thing fixed.Not sure why
getting .net 1 to uninstall was so hard for them and me. Harlan

On Oct 19, 2:28 pm, "Harry Johnston [MVP]" <ha...@scms.waikato.ac.nz>
wrote:

[Kris]

Hi,

I tried to uninstall .netframework 1.1 and it uninstalled but I still have
the 1.1 hotfix on there and I tried to uninstall that and it did not work.
Please help!!

"sherlockomes" wrote:

> Hi Shawn: Had same problem.... Solution--Uninstall .Net Framework 1.1 from
> add/remove programs.This automatically removes an earlier hotfix which i
> think is causing the problem.Restart computer and go to windows update as
> normal and check for updates.If all is well you will reinstall .Net Framework
> 1.1 and the problem update KB953297 successfully. This worked on both my
> laptops but for some reason i had to try 2 times before the update KB953297
> successfully installed on one of mylaptops. Good luck.. Scott.
>

[Len]

Lots of words lots of links, what we really need is just one simple solution.
My computer now takes Thirteen minutes to close, surely Microsoft, can
publish a clear and concise answer to this problem.

The KISS principle should apply here.
Len.

> .
>

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Who are you and why are you replying to my post?

Len wrote:
> Lots of words lots of links, what we really need is just one simple
> solution. My computer now takes Thirteen minutes to close, surely
> Microsoft, can publish a clear and concise answer to this problem.
>
> The KISS principle should apply here.
>

[o ed@discussions.microsoft.com p o ed]

I did all the high tech ideas. but what worked, was that i reinstalled .net
framework 1.1 and it's sp1 restarting between. resulting in th file
installing. i also noticed that in the end, the .net framework 1.1 hotfix
was gone. so good luck all .

"Shawn E. Hale" wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. After attempting several of the fixes mentioned in
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824643, all unsuccessful, I re-installed
> version 1.1 and then the new update installed fine.
>
>
> "Shawn E. Hale" <sehale...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OSBXnxGT...@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > Windows XP Home
> > Service Pack 3
> >
> > All other updates released this date installed fine with the exception of
> > KB953297. Another home computer installed this update with no problem.
> > The only difference I can find is that the computer where the install

> > failed had .NET Framework 1.1 Hotfix KB928366 installed. The article

[Randy Bell]

Hi Kris,

You can use the the .NET Framework cleanup tool, see the following links:

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=121918
http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/pages/8904493.aspx

It automates the task of removing and cleaning the various versions of .NET
on your system. If need be, you can use that tool, then start over from
scratch to install whatever version of .NET you want, onto a clean system.
:) As for the 1.1 hotfix uninstall, I suspect it requires .NET 1.1 to be on
your system in order to uninstall the hotfix. So you can just remove it
from your Add/Remove Programs List if it refuses to run. HTH .. :)

"Kris" <Kr...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E6279433-521E-46EF...@microsoft.com...

[Randy Bell]

Len, did you try disabling automatic updates? Right-Click on My Computer,
then click Properties - then go to the Automatic Updates tab, check the
"Turn off Automatic Updates" at the bottom, then click Apply to enable your
choice. :)

"Len" <L...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DD06524D-CE61-45E5...@microsoft.com...

[David Simon]

I have the same problem but don't want to go through all the hassle of
uninstalling/reinstalling. Does anyone know what the danger is in just not
installing the fix?

David Simon

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> No one here represents or works for Microsoft. You may gain the attention
> of an MS engineer if you post here:
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/threads
>
> Or see the "How to obtain help" section of
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/953297 and/or
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/970892
> --
> ~PA Bear
> www.banthecheck.com
>
>
> BigDocD wrote:
> <snip>
> > So, if the Microsoft person responsible for reviewing these messages can
> > pass this on and get the problem fixed, please do it.
> >
> > And Microsoft, I've also had problems with KB970892 as well, but I don't
> > have that debugged for you yet!...
> <snip>
>
> .
>

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

If you do not get MS09-061 installed, your computer remains vulnerable to
the 3 exploits listed in the Vulnerability Information section of
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS09-061.mspx

Are you concerned about your online security? How about identity theft?

[Robert Aldwinckle]

"David Simon" <David...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:13545D8A-B3C3-4603...@microsoft.com...

>I have the same problem but don't want to go through all the hassle of
> uninstalling/reinstalling.

Uninstalling and reinstalling may be overkill provided you are willing
to do some diagnosis to find out what is causing the error symptom.

---

[Spydah]

everyone seems to be having the problem with XP, but I'm experiencing it with
Vista X64. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling .Net 1.1, but still no
luck. Yes, we need help from Microsoft. the Windows Update message is
annoying me.
--
Spydah

[Questors]

Thank you for this solution, it worked smooth as silk for me.

"sherlockomes" wrote:

> Hi Shawn: Had same problem.... Solution--Uninstall .Net Framework 1.1 from
> add/remove programs.This automatically removes an earlier hotfix which i
> think is causing the problem.Restart computer and go to windows update as
> normal and check for updates.If all is well you will reinstall .Net Framework
> 1.1 and the problem update KB953297 successfully. This worked on both my
> laptops but for some reason i had to try 2 times before the update KB953297
> successfully installed on one of mylaptops. Good luck.. Scott.
>

[in Iowa@discussions.microsoft.com Steve in Iowa]

I had the KB953297 problem for weeks and the "Solution--Unistall .Net
Framework 1.1 ..." worked for me.

[Shasta]

I am running Vista Home Premium SP2 32-bit, with Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5
installed, and I keep getting this same pesky failure error on this update.
I've been researching the suggested fixed, and quite frankly, I don't want or
have the time to fool around with this baloney. Any idea if an upgrade to
Windows 7 will fix it?

[MowGreen]

Shasta,

I don't blame you for being fed up with this absurd .NET updating issue.
Strongly suggest that you contact MS for *no-charge* support in getting
the update installed and so that fully realize the scope of this issue.

If Users would contact MS for the no-charge support at the very least,
MS will then be forced to recognize how widespread these .NET updating
issues are.
If Users choose not to contact MS then this charade will never end.

It's *abundantly clear* that the data that the Windows Update Product
Group receives from systems when they update is completely inaccurate
when it comes to updating .NET Frameworks.

MowGreen
===============
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Never Forgotten
===============

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"Security updates should *never* have *non-security content* prechecked"