Reposting here for expert advice! (Suggested by Peter Foldes)
~BD~
bought a new computer to replace his XP machine.
It has the Windows Vista OS installed (an upgrade to 7 is available FOC)
He is now using --> X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000
He tells me .... "All your emails are coming through as "Malevolent and
Phishing" and go to my junk mail box"!
**
I'm certainly not Phishing - nor am I malevolent! ;)
I am, though, using an iMac with OS X 10.6.2 (Snow Leopard) and Apple
Mail Version 4.2
Is there a setting in Vista which needs to be 'adjusted' so that my
friend won't receive warnings on receipt of email messages from me?
Thanks for any advice which may be helpful (I've never used Vista 'in
anger' but still have Windows XP on two separate machines)
--
Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)
Gary VanderMolen (MVP)
In Windows Mail: Tools, Junk E-mail Options, Phishing tab, uncheck the boxes.
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:MaGdnd3mNu-f77TW...@bt.com...
~BD~
> Your friend can turn off the phishing warning.
> In Windows Mail: Tools, Junk E-mail Options, Phishing tab, uncheck the boxes.
>
>
Thank you, Gary.
For clarification, would that not mean that any warnings would be
terminated in respect of *any* email message, not simply ones from me?
Surely, that rather defeats the purpose of the warning facility if my
suspicion is correct!
Steve Cochran
into the Safe Senders category without having to turn off the Junk mail
filtering completely.
Be advised that when he goes to Win7, there is no email client and he will
have to get one. If he is used to XP, then he can clone that machine using
Disk2vhd (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx),
and then run the old machine within the Win7 OS as a virtual machine and
continue to use OE that way, if he is set in his ways and prefers the
current email client.
steve
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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![PA Bear [MS MVP]'s profile photo](http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/a-/ALV-UjXsf05hH-R8XChS3fXPPzfoO8FYYxAKhT86KfPnIELr3QJ9tQ=s40-c)
PA Bear [MS MVP]
myself.]
~BD~
> You can adjust things under Tools | Junk email options and he can put you
> into the Safe Senders category without having to turn off the Junk mail
> filtering completely.
>
> Be advised that when he goes to Win7, there is no email client and he will
> have to get one. If he is used to XP, then he can clone that machine using
> Disk2vhd (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx),
> and then run the old machine within the Win7 OS as a virtual machine and
> continue to use OE that way, if he is set in his ways and prefers the
> current email client.
>
> steve
>
>
Thank you for the points you raise, Steve.
I will pass on your comments. :)
Gary VanderMolen (MVP)
Otherwise, train your friend not to include suspicious looking
URLs in his emails.
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:i5WdnfkXkrhhQrTW...@bt.com...
~BD~
> [Please don't feed that troll, Steve. Details upon request from Peter
> or myself.]
I've read about Stephen here:
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile=8804999e-4664-4684-bc02-6b33fd79807b
He seems like a genuine guy - keen to help others too.
What I would very much like him to do is ask you why you, PABear, have
lied about me being banned by ISP's (that has *never* happened - ever)
and for him to then email me to explain exactly *why* you have told him
not to help me.
He has already been of help, for which I have thanked him.
slk759
machines. It is a procedure left for people who have more advanced PC
skills and experience. There are many people reading through posts (that
they didn't write) for solutions to mail problems, and they may think this
is easy, try it, and mess up their PC's. Then they come back here to
complain about it not working, placing blame, and raising heck. It is best
not to mention something like that unless an Op is specifically asking for
it - otherwise you open a can of worms.
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Peter Foldes
Do not waste your breath on this person. He is a Troll extraordinaire and a complete
hopeless sick case
--
Peter
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"slk759" <slk...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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~BD~
> PABear was referring to Stephen's mentioning the "hack" to put WM on
> W7 machines. It is a procedure left for people who have more advanced
> PC skills and experience. There are many people reading through posts
> (that they didn't write) for solutions to mail problems, and they may
> think this is easy, try it, and mess up their PC's. Then they come
> back here to complain about it not working, placing blame, and raising
> heck. It is best not to mention something like that unless an Op is
> specifically asking for it - otherwise you open a can of worms.
Thank you for trying to be helpful 'slk759' - I completely understand
where you are coming from on giving your advice. I also note that you do
your very best to help folk on this group. That is to be commended -
well done and thank you! :)
**
I regret to advise, though, that I am 100% confident that PABear was
*not* referring to Stephen's 'hack' comment.
If you do not believe me - ask him yourself!
If you don't wish to muddy the waters here, go to www.aumha.net and ask
him there. You will note that he is the most prolific of all posters
there, having made a total of 20,252 the last time I checked!
If you do go there to ask, perhaps you'd also enquire as to what is
*special* about Member GC Jones - I'm sure he'll know exactly what you
mean! ;)
(You may email me by removing 'the obvious.'!)
slk759
But still, suggesting to install virtual XP for OE most likely beyond
expertise of user . . . . . I respect MVPs years of experience way too much
to argue with them.
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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slk759
One of the things my clients always commented positively about was my
willingness to explain things in detail, use of everyday terminology rather
than techie-talk, and my "stay on it 'til its resolved" ambition. They get
really sensitive about what they don't know, and people who do know not
taking time to educate them or talking over their heads.
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Peter Foldes
ROFLMAO. And now you are in for it from David. Good Luck
--
Peter
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"slk759" <slk...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Bruce Hagen
--
~Bruce
"Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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slk759
ego . . . . .
"Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
Peter Foldes wrote:
> slk759
>
> ROFLMAO. And now you are in for it from David. Good Luck
>
>
~BD~
> slk759
>
> ROFLMAO. And now you are in for it from David. Good Luck
>
Peter
Please explain, for the benefit of others reading here, why you made
such a comment in response to an intelligent query.
I've included your header for authenticity purposes.
**
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not David?
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"~BD~"<Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 16/12/2009 22:55, Peter Foldes wrote:
>> Why not post to the windows mail newsgroup for a proper answer which all the
>> above is not.
>>
>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
>>
>
> Whine not! ;)
>
> Done.
>
> Do you think it worth posting here too? http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>
> TechB (aka Kerry Brown) seems very knowledgeable about computing matters.
>
**
~BD~
> Well, it is Saturday night !! Thought I'd refrain from stepping on
> anyone's ego . . . . .
Don't you worry about me - just the bad guys! ;)
>>>> If you do go there to ask, perhaps you'd also enquire as to what is
>>>> *special* about Member GC Jones - I'm sure he'll know exactly what
>>>> you mean! ;)
>>>>
>>>> (You may email me by removing 'the obvious.'!)
I forgot to mention the web site of GC Jones - it is here:
http://ordoaa.org/
If you explore further at Aumha, you will discover that James A.
Eshelman is also a big wheel in the very same organisation.
In case it's not clear, James A. Eshelman 'owns' the Aumha site!
What a rule to live by, eh?
*"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."*
It fascinates me! :)
Steve Cochran
require any sophisticated user skills. It will NOT result in the user
screwing up his or her computer. Please do not make such blanket statements
and discourage users by telling them they are too stupid to do it. That is
not the case.
steve
"slk759" <slk...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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slk759
of making a recommendation such as that if the user is not able to figure
out how to keep someone's e-address from being labeled a phish. They knew
what to do - just not where to do it. Setting up and running a virtual
machine just adds a layer of unnecessary confusion to what is supposed to be
a simple procedure, sending and receiving email. My elderly mother has a
fit because she has to logon !! She just wants to "turn the thing on and
use it", without jumping through hoops. Some things that may be easy for
you, are not to others.
Just for the record, I was not knocking your obvious and well documented
abilities.
"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message
news:71C8BDD4-E166-4EAC...@microsoft.com...
Gary VanderMolen (MVP)
would find complicated. The concept of one OS running inside
another one is difficult to comprehend by someone who hardly
knows what an OS is or does.
Aside from conceptual difficulty, there is the issue of obtaining
a retail copy of Windows XP.
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message news:71C8BDD4-E166-4EAC...@microsoft.com...
Steve Cochran
user" finds those complicated as well, so what's the difference. How hard
can it be to copy your OS from one computer, then run it in a window on
another computer? Do you really consider people so ignorant that they
cannot figure that out????
No wonder people don't complain about Walmail, given such a mindset.
steve
"Gary VanderMolen (MVP)" <ga...@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
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~BD~
> It may not be a true 'hack', but it is something that the average user
> would find complicated. The concept of one OS running inside
> another one is difficult to comprehend by someone who hardly
> knows what an OS is or does.
> Aside from conceptual difficulty, there is the issue of obtaining
> a retail copy of Windows XP.
>
>
I said that my friend was elderly ....... but that should *not* have
implied that he was just an average user! ;)
He is unfamiliar with Windows Vista, but has been using computers since
they had thermionic valves (tubes!)
I have a retail copy of Windows XP which I bought in 2002. It still
'works' and it could be transferred to him I believe.
Regardless, I appreciate your comments, Gary. Thanks.
~BD~
> No wonder people don't complain about Walmail, given such a mindset.
>
> steve
>
>
I'd not heard that expression before, Steve - but all was explained when
I found a post you had made some while ago.
Your post said .............
Compared to "OE Lite" (aka Walmail), OE is great.
I started using OE back when it became first available in 1996 and it had
problems. The OE MVPs worked for years to get MS to fix some of them and we
were on track for fixing more issues in WinMail. Instead they abandoned
WinMail, and went their own way into the crapware they are now providing.
So you may have had valid objections to OE, but for 10 years we as MVPs and
users struggled with MS to fix those issues, and then they just spit in our
face."
************
Thanks again for your comments in this thread. :)
slk759
Tubes . . . that puts him >75 - 80 yo . . . . GREAT that he is staying
current with technology. Maybe his sense of humor is more advanced than
yours then - maybe, it was just his opportunity to call you a "phish",
BoaterDave! If the shoe fits . . . . (he probably didn't really need your
help at all !!!) LOLOLOL !!!
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Peter Foldes
Do you believe this guy. He is something else is he not. He had no idea what a
personal computer is in 2006. What a jerk and a Troll
His best tool is copy\paste
--
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"slk759" <slk...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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~BD~
>
> Tubes . . . that puts him >75 - 80 yo . . . . GREAT that he is staying
> current with technology.
Not quite - you are jumping to conclusions without all the facts!
Quote:
"The 1950's saw the introduction of improved radar and sonar services,
*the advent of the computer* and a method to integrate all the warfare
systems"
That's the very first sentence in this snippet, here:
http://www.hmscollingwoodofficersassociation.co.uk/thegreenie/chapter8.htm
You might just enjoy perusing here: http://middle-watch.com/Directors.html
The director was pointed at the target. *A computer calculated where to
point the guns* (later missiles) so that the shell and the target ended
up in the same place at the same time!
Such computers had, even when I did *my* training, thermionic valves! So
there!
HTH
slk759
(*assuming* a "young" age at the time of employment in this field) = 80 yo
today . . . . . . . I suppose he could have been 20 yo, or maybe he got in
the field in the early 60's - either scenario only varies the age by 5-10
years . . . . FYI, anything younger than 70 is not elderly !! (The older
you get, the older "old / elderly" gets !!! LOLOL !! One of my nursing
texts labels 60 - 74 as "young-old", 75 - 84 is "middle-old", and >85 is
"old-old". (Fundamentals of Nursing, The Art and Science of Nursing Care,
6th Ed., pg. 450) There are nearly 40 million older Americans today and
that will double by 2030 (just Americans - not counting the world
population), which is why technology needs to be considerate of this
population in their development efforts (KIS). These folks have been
through A LOT of change, more so than probably any other generation ever has
or will. I can only hope to keep up at that age !!
I took my first computer class in the early 80's. They were still teaching
about the earliest computers and tubes at that time . . . . don't know if
they still teach about that today - other than a fleeting mention.
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Gary VanderMolen (MVP)
Your elderly friend sounds like he is not afraid of a challenge, so
go for it!
--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/profile/vandermolen
"~BD~" <Boate...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:wMWdnfF4YtmsJ7LW...@bt.com...
~BD~
> Your elderly friend sounds like he is not afraid of a challenge, so
> go for it!
>
>
I'm quite sure he'd manage it - but it's summer in Australia now and I
expect he will prefer to be out fishing in his boat!
I have another 'friend' (a client of old) who is now on his third
desktop machine in around 10 years - he is now 98!
....... and studying for an Open University degree to boot! He want to
be the oldest person to be awarded the honour!
~BD~
> (Current year - almost )2010 - (mid 50's)1955 = 55 years + 25 yo
> (*assuming* a "young" age at the time of employment in this field) =
> 80 yo today . . . . . . . I suppose he could have been 20 yo, or maybe
> he got in the field in the early 60's - either scenario only varies
> the age by 5-10 years . . . . FYI, anything younger than 70 is not
> elderly !! (The older you get, the older "old / elderly" gets !!!
> LOLOL !! One of my nursing texts labels 60 - 74 as "young-old", 75 -
> 84 is "middle-old", and >85 is "old-old". (Fundamentals of Nursing,
> The Art and Science of Nursing Care, 6th Ed., pg. 450) There are
> nearly 40 million older Americans today and that will double by 2030
> (just Americans - not counting the world population), which is why
> technology needs to be considerate of this population in their
> development efforts (KIS). These folks have been through A LOT of
> change, more so than probably any other generation ever has or will.
> I can only hope to keep up at that age !!
>
> I took my first computer class in the early 80's. They were still
> teaching about the earliest computers and tubes at that time . . . .
> don't know if they still teach about that today - other than a
> fleeting mention.
You are right in a way - he's not quite 70! He and I both joined the
Royal Navy as apprentices at the age of 16 but didn't meet up until
later in our careers - he's just over 5 years older than me.
By that stage we had both been commissioned and were both Air Traffic
Control Officers - with him teaching me to get things right! 1970 IIRC!
So we are both "young -old" eh?!!!
~BD~
> slk759
>
> He *always* tells the truth, unlike me!
How does it feel when you put your head on the pillow at night, Peter
Foldes ...... and find that you cannot sleep?
I've looked for posts by Gary, Steve and 'slk759' in
'microsoft.public.test.here' - and find ......... *none*! None at all!
Please explain to others reading just why there are *dozens* of posts by
you in a 'test' group.
It makes no sense, does it? Well - *does it?*
The truth *will* out!
My role is simply to encourage it! :)
~BD~
> user" finds those complicated as well, so what's the difference. How hard
> can it be to copy your OS from one computer, then run it in a window on
> another computer? Do you really consider people so ignorant that they
> cannot figure that out????
>
> No wonder people don't complain about Walmail, given such a mindset.
>
> steve
>
>
Steve - are you the fellow mentioned here?
http://members.shaw.ca/dts-l/gallery.htm
Most of the links under the photo's/names do not work for me, btw!
~BD~
TechB has only just announced that he is getting married! (31 Dec)
K.Dee actually asked *him*! Hehehe! I trust they will be happy
together! :)
****************
so ..... what prompted this post? Maybe this complete message/header
will better explain!
Subject: Ignore please
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Inventing things that other say is a sure sign of a mental disease
-Peter
*****************
I have invented nothing. I tell the truth.
--
Dave (and wondering why the message wasn't on the Usenet servers!)
On Dec 20 2009, 1:45 pm, ~BD~ <BoaterD...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
> On 20/12/2009 01:48, Peter Foldes wrote:
>
> > slk759
>
> > ROFLMAO. And now you are in for it from David. Good Luck
>
> Peter
>
> Please explain, for the benefit of others reading here, why you made
> such a comment in response to an intelligent query.
>
> I've included your header for authenticity purposes.
>
> **
>
> Reply-To: "Peter Foldes"<bounce@bounce>
> From: "Peter Foldes"<ok...@hotmail.com>
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> Better post to his wife which will get you much more help.She does like you does she
> not David?
>
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> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>
> "~BD~"<BoaterD...@theobvious.hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:W76dnejUy8E8i7fW...@bt.com...
>
> > On 16/12/2009 22:55, Peter Foldes wrote:
> >> Why not post to the windows mail newsgroup for a proper answer which all the
> >> above is not.
>
> >> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
>
> > Whine not! ;)
>
> > Done.
>
> > Do you think it worth posting here too?http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
~BD~
> <VBEG>
I wonder who will have the *last* laugh! :)
Shifter
news:4b3a...@news.x-privat.org...
You asked several people to keep an eye on him/her/it.
Pigeon
>
Seems like FlubberDick is stalking Aardvark - why would it do that?
--
Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)
BoaterDave
Subject: Re: Ignore please
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Too much canal water. LOL
~BD~
> On 21/12/2009 19:50, Peter Foldes wrote:
>> slk759
>>
>> Do you believe this guy? You should! He is something else is he not?
>> He *always* tells the truth, unlike me!
>
> How does it feel when you put your head on the pillow at night, Peter
> Foldes ...... and find that you cannot sleep?
>
> I've looked for posts by Gary, Steve and 'slk759' in
> 'microsoft.public.test.here' - and find ......... *none*! None at all!
>
> Please explain to others reading just why there are *dozens* of posts
> by you in a 'test' group.
>
> It makes no sense, does it? Well - *does it?*
>
> The truth *will* out!
>
> My role is simply to encourage it! :)
>
BUMP!