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Greg Wilder

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Feb 2, 2003, 8:10:42 PM2/2/03
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I understand that Clear Type can only be enabled for one orientation.
Is this ONLY for landscape, not portrait?

If you enable clear type for landscape, does it impact the quality
negatively for portrait?

Thanks in advance....

Greg W

terri stratton

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Feb 2, 2003, 8:19:59 PM2/2/03
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Hi, Greg,

I haven't noticed any deterioration in portrait here, Greg, but this may be
a model by model issue. I'm sure others will report as well.
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Terri Stratton
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Chris H.

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Feb 2, 2003, 8:19:39 PM2/2/03
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Greg, I haven't honestly seen any difference using ClearType either way. It
appears to work just fine here. Where did you hear the enabling only works
one direction? The display properties are driven by the graphics drivers,
not the orientation, as far as I can tell.
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Karl

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Feb 2, 2003, 9:38:32 PM2/2/03
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In a previous thread regarding the display being not as
sharp in portrait mode than in landscape mode, it was
written:

==========

Hi,
I bet that Cleartype is enabled on your Tablet PC. In
that case it,
Cleartype will only work in one orientation. This is
because of the way
that the dots that make up each of the colors are either
horizontal or
vertical. You can't have the pixels compatible with
Cleartype in both
directions.

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Richard Lawler

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Feb 3, 2003, 12:48:07 AM2/3/03
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On my Toshiba the ClearType configuration menu in Adobe
eBook Reader looks the same in portrait mode as
landscape. The Cleartype settings in MS Reader, however,
doesn't seem to look the same in portrait compared to
landscape mode. Go figure.

-Richard Lawler

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Jitesh Vallabh [MS]

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Feb 3, 2003, 3:10:11 PM2/3/03
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If you would like more information in how ClearType works, and why it relies
on the layout of the color pixels, have a look at the web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/.

Jitesh Vallabh
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Chris H.

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Feb 3, 2003, 3:39:12 PM2/3/03
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Awesome information, Candice. Thanks for passing it along!

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> Hey Y'all, 'hope ya don't mind my jumping in the middle here, as I
> have a bit of background in the basic theory apon which ClearType(tm)
> was based apon.
>
> Subpixel rendering on the RGB Stripe LCD architecture only works in
> one axis, the axis normal to the direction of the stripes. Using
> subpixel rendering allows the information to be shifted along the
> horizontal axis in landscape mode on most LCDs. This ability to shift
> the pixels is called "addressability". However, this does not
> actually increase the detail, the amount of lines and spaces that can
> be displayed, just where the same number can be displayed. But...
> this is still very useful, as it reduces nasty display artifacts like
> alaising and moiré. Thus, the text quality can be improved.
>
> Here is the rub, regarding rotation. It turns out that western fonts
> (latin, the type used in english, and cyrillic, the type used in
> russian) have more high spatial frequencies that might cause aliasing
> and moiré in the horizontal axis. Thus, in landscape mode, we have
> the improved addressability in the same axis as where the text is
> putting the problems to be solved....
>
> So... when you rotate the panel, the text is putting most of the
> problem stuff into the axis where you can't fix it !!!
>
> Microsoft is well aware of the problem... and has been asking the
> display manufacturers to make panels specifically for PC Tablets with
> the stripes turned the other way... the rub there is still the same...
> so we get good ClearType performance in Portrait mode, but reduced
> performance in landscape mode... So... what to do?
>
> Well... <drum roll> We have the solution... and have already, working
> with our partner, Samsung, produced panels that have been optimized to
> work with subpixel rendering... a new architecture, the PenTile
> Matrix(tm) that works better than the old style RGB Stripe, actually
> getting not only increased addressability, but increased detail... and
> it works equally well in both axis! Thus, it works equally well in
> both landscape and portrait modes!
>
> This new panel will allow ClearType to work better in either mode!!!
>
> You can check it out at our website, learn more about it... I hope
> that you will ask your favorite PC Tablet or PDA maker when they will
> come out with a PenTile(tm) version of the product.
>
> Candice H. Brown Elliott
> Chief Technology Officer
> ClairVoyante Laboratories
> www.clairvoyante.com

Candice H. Brown Elliott

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Hey Y'all, 'hope ya don't mind my jumping in the middle here, as I

terri stratton

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Feb 3, 2003, 4:10:04 PM2/3/03
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Thanks very much, Candice!

Nice explanation. I'm sure it answers several questions and in a way that's
easily understood.


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Robert Scoble

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Feb 3, 2003, 4:38:53 PM2/3/03
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> You can check it out at our website, learn more about it... I hope
> that you will ask your favorite PC Tablet or PDA maker when they will
> come out with a PenTile(tm) version of the product.

I've forwarded your information to our engineers (but, our first Tablet does
not use this technology). Thanks, very useful info!

Robert Scoble
NEC Solutions (America) Inc.
http://www.neccomp.com


karlo

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Feb 5, 2003, 8:36:22 PM2/5/03
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Please let us knew when NEC will introduce a version with Pentile :) !


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