Would appreciate any help available:
Please correct me if I am wrong: A Smart Host on the SMTP Connector of
Exchange Server 2003 on SBS allolws me to specify an outgoing SMTP
server, rather than using my own Exchange server to send the email
out. In other words, I can forward all of my outgoing mail to say,
Google's SMTP server, and have them send the mail out rather than us
sending the mail out.
Therefore, how would I go about configuring a Smart Host to deliver
mail in the following scenario:
1 We POP the mail from our mail server
2 We send messages out using a different (external) mail server with
its own SSL port and requires authentication
Appreciated,
Thanks.
Well your sort of in the ballpark, but your "smarthost" is a 'service'
usually provided by your ISP and one that doesn't just accept mail from
anyone (like spammers). Usually your ISP limits it to source IP addresses on
it's networks (static or dynamic). Check with your ISP which may provide a
smarthost for use, sometimes for a slight fee.
Exchange has no provision for smarthost SSL, alternate ports, or
authenticated connections (at least that I am aware of).
--
/kj
Check your system manager; adminisitrative groups; server; protocols; smtp.
You should be able to find some settings in the smtp virtual instance when
you right click (Context menu) and select properties.
Are you trying to use gmail for your domain email hosting?
Thanks,
Austin Smith, A+, MCP
Digital Son, I.T. Services
<bob.smi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3dbeca3f-451b-4cb9...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Hi Austin!
Thanks for the help guys. Yes, we are attempting to use Google hosted
domains to use gmail accounts (one of the main reasons being gmail's
good spam filters). according to gmail POP, we HAVE to use their SMTP
and POP3 servers for outgoing and incoming respective servers.
Additionally, they require SSL connections to their servers and
authentication. I figure that since Exchange has the option using the
Virtual SMTP Instance to activate a Smart Host it should be able to
forward all outgoing mail to their SMTP servers so we comply with
this?
Any help much appreciated
Cheers,
Bob
Thank you for posting here. Let's also thank Kevin and Austin for the input.
According to your description, I understand that you want to enable SSL for
the SMTP connector to delivery email to Google Mail. If I have
misunderstood the problem, please don't hesitate to let me know.
The Google Mail enable SSL SMTP connection for clients to connect but not
for Exchange server. Google Mail is not ISP, and not a Smart Host provider.
Kevin is correct, Exchange do not support SSL for SMTP or SMTP connector.
The Exchange only support TLS for that. The TLS and the SSL are all used
for encryption SMTP traffic, TLS for server to server, SSL for client to
server. Therefore, you will find the SSL options available in Outlook, but
you can only find TLS in SMTP connector.
Based on my research, we can only enable TLS for SMTP connector to encrypt
the SMTP traffic:
The use of the Transport Layer Security (TLS) protocol over SMTP offers
certificate-based authentication and helps provide security-enhanced data
transfers by using symmetric encryption keys. In symmetric-key encryption
(also known as shared secret), the same key is used to encrypt and to
decrypt the message. TLS applies a Hash-based Message Authentication Code
(HMAC). HMAC uses a hash algorithm in combination with a shared secret key
to help make sure that the data has not been modified during transmission.
The shared secret key is appended to the data to be hashed. This helps
enhance the security of the hash because both parties must have the same
shared secret key to verify that the data is authentic.
Enable TLS on SMTP connector in SBS:
1. Install an X.509 server certificate on the server.
For more information about X.509 certificates, click the following article
number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
319574 How to use certificates with virtual servers in Exchange 2000 Server
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319574/
2. Enable TLS on the SMTP connector with smarthost configured. To enable
TLS encryption, right-click the SMTP connector, and then click Properties.
Click the Advanced tab, click Outbound Security, and then click to select
the TLS Encryption check box.
3. Restart SMTP service and Routing Engine service.
See the following article for details:
How to help protect SMTP communication by using the Transport Layer
Security protocol in Exchange Server
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=829721
Additional info on TLS:
================
How to secure Simple Mail Transfer Protocol client message delivery in
Exchange 2000 Server
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=319267
823024 How to Use Certificates with Virtual Servers in Exchange Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=823024
329061 Exchange Server cannot communicate with non-TLS domains
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=329061
I hope these steps will give you some help.
Thanks and have a nice day!
Best regards,
Terence Liu(MSFT)
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| From: bob.smi...@gmail.com
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
| Subject: Re: Exchange Server 2003 Smart Host
| Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:25:03 -0800 (PST)
| Organization: http://groups.google.com
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| X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
HTH,
Austin Smith, A+, MCP
<bob.smi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cc6e4eb-1b40-4446...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Hey All,
Thanks for the help provided. Going through the settings that Google
Mail set for SMTP& POP3 delivery:
1. Incoming mail server (POP3): pop.gmail.com
2. Outgoing mail server (SMTP): smtp.gmail.com
3. Outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication
4. Server requires an encrypted connection (SSL) for Incoming (POP3)
5. Server requires an encrypted connection (SSL) for Outgoing (SMTP)
6. Requirement that we MUST use Google servers for incoming (no
problem) and outgoing (problem??? :S)
So would I be able to achieve all of these things by utilising
Exchange's smarthost service? I realise that incoming (POP3) is all
fulfilled, so numbers 1 and 4 don't have to be worried about but what
about the rest?
Thanks for your help its much appreciated
Cheers,
Bob
Thank you for your update.
Do you read my previous reply? I know you can get incoming email from
Google mail thru SSL POP3. Yes, the Exchange support SSL POP3 connection.
But as I know, the Exchange does not support SSL SMTP connection.
Therefore, we unable to send the outgoing email to Google mail thru SSL.
Smart host on Exchange also no help.
For detail information, please refer to my previous reply.
I hope that will give you some help.
Best regards,
Terence Liu(MSFT)
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:27:24 -0800 (PST)
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I have had a look through our Exchange Server as you suggested to the
SMTP Virtual Server as you suggested. I have further spoken to google
and they say that TLS encryption is accepted and conditions are:
smtp.gmail.com (use authentication)
Use Authentication: Yes
Use TLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL)
Port: 465 or 587
If I do the following:
For Authentication and TLS
1. Default SMTP Virtual Server -> Right Click Properties
2. "Access" Tab
3. "Authentication"
4. Activate the "Basic Authentication" and click TLS Required
OR
1. Default SMTP Virtual Server -> Right Click Properties
2. "Delivery" Tab
3. "Outbound Security"
4. Select Basic Authentication (and type details)
5. Click TLS Required
Will the above solve the authentication and TLS encryption
requirement?
Additionally, to satisfy the TCP port requirement for sending to their
SMTP server, would this work:
1. Default SMTP Virtual Server -> Right Click Properties
2. "Delivery" Tab
3. "Outbound Connections"
4. Type in TCP Port
Would the above solve the TCP Port requirement?
Thanks very much for your help. It is very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Bob
Thank you for your email.
Even though Google mail accept TLS encryption connection, we still unable
to send email from your Exchange domain through Google mail to other email
domains. The Google mail will think the email is reply spam (from non-Gmail
and to non-Gmail).
When you set Gmail TLS or SSL SMTP on Outlook, the email will send from the
Gmail account, it is not reply. It is different from your configure the TLS
connection on Exchange. You can confirm it will Gmail support.
This is not a make sense idea. The Google mail TLS or SSL SMTP only for
client but not server.
If you really need Gmail send outbound email for you, you need to contact
Gmail support to setup a smart host for you. I think this is expensive or
impossible.
Best regards,
Terence Liu(MSFT)
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:09:04 -0800 (PST)
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bob.smith.018 wrote:
Exchange Server 2003 Smart Host
07-Jan-08
Hi All,
Appreciated,
Thanks.
Previous Posts In This Thread:
On Monday, January 07, 2008 9:47 PM
bob.smith.018 wrote:
Exchange Server 2003 Smart Host
Hi All,
Appreciated,
Thanks.
On Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:18 AM
kj [SBS MVP] wrote:
Re: Exchange Server 2003 Smart Host
bob.smi...@gmail.com wrote:
Well your sort of in the ballpark, but your "smarthost" is a 'service'
usually provided by your ISP and one that doesn't just accept mail from
anyone (like spammers). Usually your ISP limits it to source IP addresses on
it's networks (static or dynamic). Check with your ISP which may provide a
smarthost for use, sometimes for a slight fee.
Exchange has no provision for smarthost SSL, alternate ports, or
authenticated connections (at least that I am aware of).
--
/kj
On Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:40 AM
Austin Smith wrote:
hey there!
hey there!
Check your system manager; adminisitrative groups; server; protocols; smtp.
You should be able to find some settings in the smtp virtual instance when
you right click (Context menu) and select properties.
Are you trying to use gmail for your domain email hosting?
Thanks,
Austin Smith, A+, MCP
Digital Son, I.T. Services
<bob.smi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3dbeca3f-451b-4cb9...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:31 AM
v-terli wrote:
Hello Bob,Thank you for posting here.
Hello Bob,
Thank you for posting here. Let's also thank Kevin and Austin for the input.
I hope these steps will give you some help.
Best regards,
Terence Liu(MSFT)
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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<3dbeca3f-451b-4cb9...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
02:25:04 GMT)
posting-host=203.126.97.229;
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googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
smtp.
when> you right click (Context menu) and select properties.
news:3dbeca3f-451b-4cb9...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:45 PM
Austin Smith wrote:
While it would be nice to encrypt the communications between you and the smart
While it would be nice to encrypt the communications between you and the
smart host, its not necessary. think, when the mail leaves the smart host,
its going to be clear text anyways. Do not spin your wheels too much.. ;)
You should be able to get it workign using the smtp smarthost feature for
outbound mail; the process I described earlier, and retreive via pop3
connector. We have successfully configured this for a few clients, and it
works quite well! If you are just looking to cut down on spam, exchange has
some very powerful tools you can configure. Look into the receipient
policy, tarpitting, rdns lookups and rbl lookups on incoming mail. There is
also a 3rd party tool I am quite fond of: www.vamsoft.com. Using the
combined methods, I have been able to reduce spam to around 3 a week per
user!!!! They all get caught by the junk mail box also ;)
HTH,
Austin Smith, A+, MCP
<bob.smi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cc6e4eb-1b40-4446...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 8, 1:40 pm, "Austin Smith" <aus...@digitalson.com> wrote:
Hi Austin!
Thanks for the help guys. Yes, we are attempting to use Google hosted
domains to use gmail accounts (one of the main reasons being gmail's
good spam filters). according to gmail POP, we HAVE to use their SMTP
and POP3 servers for outgoing and incoming respective servers.
Additionally, they require SSL connections to their servers and
authentication. I figure that since Exchange has the option using the
Virtual SMTP Instance to activate a Smart Host it should be able to
forward all outgoing mail to their SMTP servers so we comply with
this?
Any help much appreciated
Cheers,
Bob
On Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:36 PM
v-terli wrote:
Hello Bob,Thank you for your update.Do you read my previous reply?
Hello Bob,
Thank you for your update.
Do you read my previous reply? I know you can get incoming email from
Google mail thru SSL POP3. Yes, the Exchange support SSL POP3 connection.
But as I know, the Exchange does not support SSL SMTP connection.
Therefore, we unable to send the outgoing email to Google mail thru SSL.
Smart host on Exchange also no help.
For detail information, please refer to my previous reply.
I hope that will give you some help.
Best regards,
Terence Liu(MSFT)
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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On Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:51 AM
bob.smith.018 wrote:
Re: Exchange Server 2003 Smart Host
On Jan 8, 1:40=A0pm, "Austin Smith" <aus...@digitalson.com> wrote:
..
Hi Austin!
Thanks for the help guys. Yes, we are attempting to use Google hosted
domains to use gmail accounts (one of the main reasons being gmail's
good spam filters). according to gmail POP, we HAVE to use their SMTP
and POP3 servers for outgoing and incoming respective servers.
Additionally, they require SSL connections to their servers and
authentication. I figure that since Exchange has the option using the
Virtual SMTP Instance to activate a Smart Host it should be able to
forward all outgoing mail to their SMTP servers so we comply with
this?
Any help much appreciated
Cheers,
Bob
On Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:53 AM
bob.smith.018 wrote:
Re: Exchange Server 2003 Smart Host
On Jan 10, 6:45=A0am, "Austin Smith" <aus...@digitalson.com> wrote:
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Hey All,
Thanks for the help provided. Going through the settings that Google
Mail set for SMTP& POP3 delivery:
1. Incoming mail server (POP3): pop.gmail.com
2. Outgoing mail server (SMTP): smtp.gmail.com
3. Outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication
4. Server requires an encrypted connection (SSL) for Incoming (POP3)
5. Server requires an encrypted connection (SSL) for Outgoing (SMTP)
6. Requirement that we MUST use Google servers for incoming (no
problem) and outgoing (problem??? :S)
So would I be able to achieve all of these things by utilising
Exchange's smarthost service? I realise that incoming (POP3) is all
fulfilled, so numbers 1 and 4 don't have to be worried about but what
about the rest?
Thanks for your help its much appreciated
Cheers,
Bob
On Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:26 PM
bob.smith.018 wrote:
Hi Terence,I have had a look through our Exchange Server as you suggested to
Hi Terence,
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Cheers,
Bob
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bob.smith.018 wrote:
Exchange Server 2003 Smart Host
07-Jan-08
Hi All,
Appreciated,
Thanks.
Previous Posts In This Thread:
On Monday, January 07, 2008 9:47 PM
bob.smith.018 wrote:
Exchange Server 2003 Smart Host
Hi All,
Appreciated,
Thanks.
On Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:18 AM
kj [SBS MVP] wrote:
--
/kj
hey there!
hey there!
Best regards,
Terence Liu(MSFT)
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
Hi Austin!
Any help much appreciated
Cheers,
Bob
Best regards,
Terence Liu(MSFT)
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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On Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:51 AM
bob.smith.018 wrote:
Hi Austin!
Any help much appreciated
Cheers,
Bob
Hey All,
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