1 NIC only in SBS 2008???
Mesan
be the only available configuration in SBS2008? Is there anyone that
can (without violating any NDAs, obviously) give some context to
that?
How about they rename it "Medium Business Server 2008" while they're
at it?
Big thumbs down in my book, but I'm still very interested to know just
why the SBS team thinks that's better.
Let's keep track of this... SBS2008 - doesn't include Outlook 2007,
doesn't include ISA 200X (which more than likely means that remote
access is going to be much more difficult for small businesses, does
that mean no more RWW?) - what's next on the chopping block? I'm not
complaining about dropping support for tape, that's plenty old school,
you should be able to drop support for old stuff like that, but 1 NIC
only? What's a small business supposed to do?
Someone? Anyone? Some context please?
Phil E.
http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2007/05/hey-wheres-my-next-version-of-sbs.html
And here:
http://ts2blogs.com/blogs/larrylentz/archive/2007/05/27/8792.aspx
Philip E.
MPECS Inc.
"Mesan" <935...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Mesan
> Here are some quick posts:
>
> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2007/05/hey-wheres-my-next-version-of-sbs.html
>
> And here:
>
> http://ts2blogs.com/blogs/larrylentz/archive/2007/05/27/8792.aspx
>
> Philip E.
> MPECS Inc.
>
>
> news:1180634528.8...@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Was anyone else shocked to hear that the single NIC configuration will
> > be the only available configuration in SBS2008? Is there anyone that
> > can (without violating any NDAs, obviously) give some context to
> > that?
>
> > How about they rename it "Medium Business Server 2008" while they're
> > at it?
>
> > Big thumbs down in my book, but I'm still very interested to know just
> > why the SBS team thinks that's better.
>
> > Let's keep track of this... SBS2008 - doesn't include Outlook 2007,
> > doesn't include ISA 200X (which more than likely means that remote
> > access is going to be much more difficult for small businesses, does
> > that mean no more RWW?) - what's next on the chopping block? I'm not
> > complaining about dropping support for tape, that's plenty old school,
> > you should be able to drop support for old stuff like that, but 1 NIC
> > only? What's a small business supposed to do?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, thank you. I read both of those prior to my post - they were the
reason for my post. I felt the posts themselves and the comments at
the time left quite a lot lacking so I made my own post.
I do appreciate your responce though.
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
SBS *next* is committed to being the best SBS ever. There are major changes
in all the components that SBS integrates, so obviously SBS will change as
well.
RWW isn't dependent on ISA, nor is it dependent on x number of NICs.
NTbackup isn't in Windows Server *next*, but that doesn't mean you can't
still use tape with 3rd party products. RRAS isn't in Windows Server *next*,
so using it as a basic firewall between two NICs isn't an option.
These aren't SBS things, but they impact SBS, and it's the job of the SBS
dev team to take what they're given, and integrate and build in value for
small business. That's something the SBS team excels at - so... relax ;-).
--
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Mesan
wrote:
> Relax ;-).
>
> SBS *next* is committed to being the best SBS ever. There are major changes
> in all the components that SBS integrates, so obviously SBS will change as
> well.
>
> RWW isn't dependent on ISA, nor is it dependent on x number of NICs.
> NTbackup isn't in Windows Server *next*, but that doesn't mean you can't
> still use tape with 3rd party products. RRAS isn't in Windows Server *next*,
> so using it as a basic firewall between two NICs isn't an option.
>
> These aren't SBS things, but they impact SBS, and it's the job of the SBS
> dev team to take what they're given, and integrate and build in value for
> small business. That's something the SBS team excels at - so... relax ;-).
>
> --
> Les Connor [SBS MVP]
>
>
> news:1180634528.8...@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Was anyone else shocked to hear that the single NIC configuration will
> > be the only available configuration in SBS2008? Is there anyone that
> > can (without violating any NDAs, obviously) give some context to
> > that?
>
> > How about they rename it "Medium Business Server 2008" while they're
> > at it?
>
> > Big thumbs down in my book, but I'm still very interested to know just
> > why the SBS team thinks that's better.
>
> > Let's keep track of this... SBS2008 - doesn't include Outlook 2007,
> > doesn't include ISA 200X (which more than likely means that remote
> > access is going to be much more difficult for small businesses, does
> > that mean no more RWW?) - what's next on the chopping block? I'm not
> > complaining about dropping support for tape, that's plenty old school,
> > you should be able to drop support for old stuff like that, but 1 NIC
> > only? What's a small business supposed to do?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
<Trying to relax :) >
OK, for a small business today, they go out and sped $2,000 and
they've got hardware and software to 1) be a domain controller to
handle access/authentication for all their computers and users (just
like the big guys), 2) have exchange to do their own internal and
external email, as well as share calendars and the whole 9 yards (just
like the big guys), 3) can host their company's website using ASP.Net
2.0 with all the new ajax extensions and everything else (just like
the big guys), 4) can give their employees remote access to their
compters so they can work just as if they were at the office (a bit
better than the big guys), 5) etc. You all know what SBS2003
provides, it's a marvelous product.
Look at a small business 2 years from now... They spend $2,500
(inflation and whatever) and get hardware and a license of SBS
*next*. Oops - we need to spend some more to get something else to
sit on the outside - more money for hardware and software. Oops - we
need to get something else to host our website. Oops, we need to
forward ports 25. 3389, 444 and who knows what else on to our SBS
box... It's turned into "Medium Business Server".
<still trying to relax>
I really do believe that the SBS team is trying their best to provide
the best product they can to server their small customers as best as
possible, but nothing I've been able to read so far helps me
understand how giving up the 2 NIC model actually helps anything.
I'm all over the 30 minute backups, I'm just fine with dropping
NTBackup, but take away ISA/RRAS and the 2 NIC configuration and
that's like losing your right arm and eyeball - you can still walk
around and do stuff, but not like you used to.
Steve
the same box as SBS.
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Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)
Probably not, Suprised? Yes.
They probably found that most of us put a firewall on SBS anyway.
As far as ISA gone, I'm not supprised for <76 clients I feel that ISA is
overkill.
I know others will say ISA is the BOMB...
Most of my clients don't even want to look at the Daily Logs
Let alone the Firewall logs, They just want to know things are working.
For RWW and OWA and etc.
ISA doesn't need to be on a SBS box so I doubt if that will go away.
(Remember SBS Standard Includes these things and it doesn't have ISA)
So even without ISA200X you can still have all the Current Features of
Standard SBS.
Which Really Brings a Different Question.
On the Premium Version of SBS since it won't include ISA as you say.
Then will they keep the Extra Price as High as it is?
My guess is that some PC management tool will be added in replacement.
(I forget what it's called.)
As far as Outlook 2007 not included...
My guess if this is true, is that is a Marketing Stratigy
Remember Microsoft is in the business to Sell Products.
If they put Outlook 2007 in SBS2008 No Doubt no one will ever buy Office
2008
I don't know about you but most of my clients Live and Die by email
and they still use the basic Features of Office 2000/2003
People don't like change if it's not broken.
And even though Office 2007 is nice, in some small businesses it's hard to
justify the cost for change.
Forcing them them to Look into the future is always good for sales.
And Outlook2003 still has RPC over HTTPS and to me that's the plus.
A RSS reader in Outlook2007 isn't that big of deal to me...
(Yes there are other things like the voting thing which is cool, but have
yet to use.)
Just remember the Goal of Microsoft is to Make the Stock Holders happy, and
giving away software
is not the goal.
As far as your question what is "a Small business to do?"
Buy a Firewall, install SBS with 1NIC...
Russ
PS I am not a Microsoft Employee and I'm not qualified to make statements
for Microsoft Corp
All Opinions above are my own and not that of Microsoft Corporation.
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Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)
RRAS, RWW, OWA, OMA and VPN will still be included.
Just ISA part gone.
Remember SBS Standard has all those features. but no ISA
Russ
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don't recommend it.
I don't have my server straight to the web now. I have a router out
there now. All ISA is doing is being a net nanny. It's not my main
firewall.
And quite frankly.. I'm getting tired of dealing with a firewall product
that with the exception of Amy Babinchak, their community insults ours
at the drop of the hat. It's time that ISA is off SBS. We're adults now.
Outlook 2007 isn't there because it's Exchange that wags the tail. And
everyone complained that they were buying Outlook twice.
The one nic is driven by Longhorn.
Both of these items are OS/Platform driven and the SBS team will do
their magic.
Not only is RWW still there but it's being stolen by other teams.
People do one nic SBS boxes now all the time. ISA folks are in the
minority quite frankly. We're the odd ones out.
kj
That would be codename "Centro", currently a minimum three 64bit server
configuration. SBS200neXt is far from that. Besides, software solutions for
routing aren't the best. Good firewalls (well implemented) are and will be
much more important. Outllook on the otherhand is a critical part. While not
included with Standard Exchange 2007 CAL's, who's to say it might not be
included in SBS200neXt ones? Might just be the put back that would be
warranted.
There's lots of bits that need to flow under that bridge before we look to
leap. (LW should have fun with that comment). <g>
>
> <still trying to relax>
>
--
/kj
kj
> Honey I don't host my website on my sbs box now and most around here
> don't recommend it.
>
> I don't have my server straight to the web now. I have a router out
> there now. All ISA is doing is being a net nanny. It's not my main
> firewall.
>
> And quite frankly.. I'm getting tired of dealing with a firewall
> product that with the exception of Amy Babinchak, their community
> insults ours at the drop of the hat. It's time that ISA is off SBS.
> We're adults
> now.
> Outlook 2007 isn't there because it's Exchange that wags the tail. And
> everyone complained that they were buying Outlook twice.
That was one lame argument. What was the undiscounted Exchange 2003 CAL
price, something like $30?
Outlook 2003 by itself was about $125 or so. Now Exchange 2007 CALs are like
$37/$70 and Outlook is still about $100.
As far as I'm concerned those Enterprise 'whiners' got exactly what they
deserved by complaining about the previous generosity of the Exchange CALs.
Too bad the rest of us have to suffer their ungratefulness.
--
/kj
Mesan
>
> - Show quoted text -
So what changed in Server 2008 that makes dual NICs no longer a
possibility?
Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
> It will certainly please all the proponents of 1 NIC and don't put
> ISA on the same box as SBS.
>
<waves>
POP
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't find the mention of Outlook client not included but maybe that
was me getting frustrated with this information and I missed it. Microsoft
may not understand but when clients upgraded to SBS 2003 (premium, never
touch standard) and saw the benefits of outlook 2003 this prompted them to
upgrade the office suite.
Now back to single nic scenario, coming from an enterprise background the
two nic solution worked wonders with the concept of the SBS box and
everything on one box. It was magic. It helped the clients (and us) to
SECURE their networks within their budgets which they do not have of the
larger corporations.
Larger corporations ( bet Microsoft has too) has separate server / gateways
separated from the lan for internet access. That is exactly the concept of
the 2 nic scenario. 2 nic and router is the highest security in SBS land,
without having to spend the same as in an enterprise scenario.
I have ISA to protect my clients by alerting attacks primarily (granted
routers can do this) but ISA also has so much more that removing ISA clients
will have to spend additional monies should they wish the monitoring
function and its other capabilities. Clients do review the monitoring
reports and do take steps. For us with 25+ clients it helps us reviewing
performance on the internet side. So now you are thinking as I need ISA,
remove it and I will purchase it as an addon.... nope, will feel 'ripped
off' and will go for an alternative which invariably will be cheaper than
Microsoft.
Believe me SBS premium is very good value and probably agree underpriced,
when you compare an enterprise quote for 75 users. If someone was hitting 75
users then they really should be enterprise, my clients going over 50 found
they had to do transition early due to performance issues.
I personally think Microsoft went the wrong way with introducing Standard,
for the lower cost many individuals chose this over premium so therefore
their income from SBS must have dropped.
So they now think, lets remove components and maybe they will gain sales by
additional product purchases, sorry Microsoft that will not work. You
thought splitting SBS to standard and premium would generate more individual
sales revenue with the lower cost product with existing SBS opting for
premium... bet that didn't work to plan... ;-)
Reading these initial reviews has generated a meeting that we need to
forward plan and review our clients security... now what was that SECURE
internet server we used before SBS / ISA / 2 NIC scenario.......
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Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)
The Original Poster wanted to know what small business will do,
Well Looks like they will have to buy a firewall.
Yes a External Firewall Yes it will cost more.
But like someone else posted, we will get the ISA on a domain controller
argument over.
Also remember, Microsoft doesn't tell use everything.
Maybe they found out that putting ISA on a SBS isn't Secure, and the have no
way of fixing it?
Ever think of that?
I'm wondering if the price will change when ISA is out.
Like I posted before, My guess it will stay around the same but include PC
Client Monitoring?
What do you think?
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sea...@gmail.com
wrote:
> RRAS.
>
> --
> Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
>
>
> news:1180642700....@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > So what changed in Server 2008 that makes dual NICs no longer a
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Folks,
This is a great discussion, hopefully you don't mind me posting with
my gmail account. If you have follow up questions, I'd be happy to
answer as much as I can. email me at seanda at ms.com (but forumated
correctly).
First of all. SBS 2003 Premium (all versions) with ISA is secure.
There is nothing insecure about ISA in SBS 2003, and that's not why we
removed it from running on SBS. We are not allowing ISA to be
installed *on* SBS in Cougar for a number of reasons
1) the implementation cost was far too great for the newest version of
the OS, and the newest version of ISA. It's not that we're lazy, but
rather wanting to jam pack Cougar with features that help you sell
your product to customers, similar to the way we had the Remote Web
Workplace in 2003. Unfortunately I can't make a list in a public
forum until later. Maybe I'll make it a Christmas present over on my
blog. ;o)
2) Many customers (clearly not the folks on this thread) do not have
the capital to purchase premium, if we were to drop ISA into the
standard product, the price (from a legal perspective) *must*
increase. We are doing everything we can to provide standard SBS at
that same low price so all small business have a hope in centralized
management at a low cost.
3) Our marketing team is in the process of defining a new and very
exciting high-level sku that you will probably be happy with. I am
unable to disclose details at this time.
In addition, absolutely NOTHING will prevent you from Installing ISA
on a second server, granted this is slightly more use, but maybe you
can repurpose those old x86 powerhouses you have for 2003 as a second
server for ISA to run on, when you migrate to your new x64 hardware?
(see, we actually *do* think of everything... ok, maybe not everything
but hey.. ).
I can let you know that the decision to prevent ISA from being
installed *on* the SBS box was not taken lightly, I can personally
chalk up 8 months of my life coming to this conclusion by exhausting
as many avenues as possible. And there was an entire team involved in
this decision!
I can assure you, the new version of Cougar will
1) be secure
2) allow you to use ISA wherever you see fit (except on the SBS box)
3) include new and exciting features, products and sku line-ups that
will probably make the majority of you think, "hey, just like the last
versions, I don't feel screwed. Nice SBS team. NICE!"
Granted the changes will impact some of you to where you'll have to
adjust your business models, and for this we do appologize.
Hope this helps answer some of your questions. I wish I could
disclose more, but my oath to BillyG has my arms tied. I'll check
back on this thread somepoint tomorrow if you have follow up
questions, or my inbox is always accepting email...
Cheers,
Sean
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Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)
Just kidding,
I actually wouldn't want you to post anything you can't.
I'll probably be happy just with 64bit and I can run some Virtual Servers
like a TS server on my SBS box
I'm sure SBS will be fine with ISA.
Now the Action Pack, now there's where I have some Beef with LOL
Just kidding
And thanks for the post
Russ
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Steve
specific info at this time.
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Mesan
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sean,
Thanks for posting in here, that's exactly the insight that I was
hoping to receive. I really do want to trust that the SBS team is
doing a great job making like wonderful for SMBs, I just had a hard
time with the "single NIC only" thing. Keep making such a great
product, we sure love it. All you need to do now is go to those legal
fellas and say "hey - the communty is screaming for more information,
you've got to let me spill the beans". Sound like a plan?
Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)
What SBS user Group can you join, to get Cougar Beta?
-rg
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"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:%23cNYhgG...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Mike H
> Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
>> Honey I don't host my website on my sbs box now and most around here
>> don't recommend it.
>>
>> I don't have my server straight to the web now. I have a router out
>> there now. All ISA is doing is being a net nanny. It's not my main
>> firewall.
>>
>> And quite frankly.. I'm getting tired of dealing with a firewall
>> product that with the exception of Amy Babinchak, their community
>> insults ours at the drop of the hat. It's time that ISA is off SBS.
>> We're adults
>> now.
>> Outlook 2007 isn't there because it's Exchange that wags the tail. And
>> everyone complained that they were buying Outlook twice.
>
> That was one lame argument. What was the undiscounted Exchange 2003 CAL
> price, something like $30?
> Outlook 2003 by itself was about $125 or so. Now Exchange 2007 CALs are like
> $37/$70 and Outlook is still about $100.
>
> As far as I'm concerned those Enterprise 'whiners' got exactly what they
> deserved by complaining about the previous generosity of the Exchange CALs.
> Too bad the rest of us have to suffer their ungratefulness.
>
This is all very good, but maybe it's worth something to say why I use
and recommend SBS, and now, what I'm concerned about losing. I've used
an installed both 2003 versions, and the regular version of 2000.
It's true to say that in MOST instances where I've been personally
involved with SBS the offices were so small, INITIALLY, that a workgroup
would have been a much friendlier option, easily supported by at least
one person in every office. The workgroup would have been much less
expensive as well. We're talking three to five workstations here, and
I'd say that three was more common than five.
Here's why SBS was installed anyway:
(1) Most planned to grow. It was considered a good idea to put the
infrastructure in early. THAT also allowed learning the skills and
procedures to deal with what ultimately could become a complex system
while it was still small enough to make mistakes on. To wit, I could add
my foray into DNS record scavenging. Screwing it up didn't bring down
the world. I could manually add records to recover. Not bad with a small
network. I wouldn't want to make that same mistake with hundreds of
workstations, though.
(2) For a high-end server operating system, it's inexpensive. If it
wasn't it would have been a no-sale. For instance, buying Server 2003,
SQL Server, Exchange Server, and ISA Server, and enough hardware to run
it all would be an idea that wouldn't even be a glimmer in the eye of
most of the small businesses I deal with.
(3) They haven't been in business so long that they don't still consider
themselves poor dirt farmers. To a one, though, that business is his
love and his baby and it's worth a lot to him. When they become aware of
security they want it.
Now these offices have SBS. They're learning about domains and security.
With ISA Server they're learning about what, in my opinion, is an
enterprise-class firewall and caching server product. DHCP isn't such an
arcane word any more. Once in a while, I can even discuss Active
Directory with these people.
With Outlook, they're learning about forms and vacation schedules. OWA
is a huge hit. (Where will it be in the future? Doesn't seem to be
bundled with Office any more, either. I know....I'm being snarky here.)
I'm trying to think what would happen if ISA Server were removed from
the mix. Well, let's see. Let's say SBS 2003 Premium is $1,200 and a box
to put it all on is that much again (for the sake of argument). $2,400.
For $2,400 3 to 5 person offices are taking their flying lessons from a
Cessna Flight Center. Maybe this school is a cool one and teaches
dangerous things like spins and spin recovery (bear with me. Cessna
Flight Centers don't encourage spins even in training). You know,
provides you the tools to protect yourself from dangerous things. Like
ISA Server. That would be the one with an interface not dissimilar to
other familiar things in SBS. Oh, I threw in the Cessna Flight Center to
make an analogy. Many of those students stay with Cessna. Cessna learns
from them as well.
For $2,400 we get to learn and grow. SBS is like a battleship - if you
follow the instructions it's the EverReady bunny. While I'm growing my
business I'm putting together my wish list, though. I want it to be the
same product because it's so reliable and because it does so much. Maybe
I'll get a few Server 2003 boxes and offload some processes. By now I
know something about Server 2003. I'll get Exchange Server, SQL Server,
and ISA Server. Terminal Services is pretty cool as well. For a lot more
money than $2,400. But hey, I'm making money now. That's why I have 50
computers, lap tops in the field, customers wanting to look at their
past invoices, or drawings, or whatever. My CPA in Seattle wants to
looks at my books in Reno, and by the way, with all that money floating
around we really need to tighten up the security.
I'm a little sorry for being so long winded. I just want to point out
that it's not merely a technical issue. By the way, I might be willing
to put ISA Server on a separate box, ESPECIALLY if all I had to pay for
was the box (and maybe a little more). Wouldn't it be nice if CEICW
would configure ISA Server installed in such a way.
Just by 2¢ worth...
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Mike H
Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
in which the Internet and we should be responding to risk should change.
The technical block of one nic means that we will be able to be more
secure in the future, not less, more flexible, not less, more prepared
for the needs of our clients, not less.
There's some really smart people up there that won't let us down.
4.0 fine
4.5 better
2000 good
2003 both versions solid
The track record speaks for itself. Time after time things have only
gotten better and better.
Like Les says, relax.
Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)
I can now say to a client with only 2 PC's
I can do wonderful things for you :)
Russ
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"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbra...@pacbell.net>
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> Me and SBS2003 Love at first site,
> I can now say to a client with only 2 PC's
> I can do wonderful things for you :)
>
> Russ
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> Russell Grover
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> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbrad...@pacbell.net>
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Amazing, I was expecting a flood of emails today. :)
Glad I could help out. Let me know if I can help with anything else.
Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
just the break/fix list.
;-)
I just don't think the penny has dropped there yet ;-)
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On Jun 1, 5:45 pm, "Russ Grover \(SBITS.Biz\)"
Amazing, I was expecting a flood of emails today. :)
Mike H
not, I DO have faith that the SBS team will, with the proviso that
marketing doesn't cramp their style too much, put together a fine
product. Maybe it will even make your historical short list with an even
better superlative.
As for one NIC, I'm okay with that. Besides, that's how I started out
about 2 years ago, even going the rounds with Marina R. about it. I have
to say that as time passed I came to appreciate her her stance.
It's a bit ironic that in my short experience with ISA Server I've
become a bit of an evangelist for it around my neck of the woods. Well,
like I say, I'd be willing to install ISA on a 2nd box if that option
ends up being supported in one way or another.
(I wonder where it will be proposed that NAT and all it entails take
place in the upcoming scenario if ISA is not in the mix...)
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:10:47 -0700, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS
Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)
Russ
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POP
"Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)" <sup...@REMOVETHIS.SBITS.Biz> wrote in message news:eODroOIp...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
user/partner groups.
Join one, ask your SBS user group leader about it.
POP wrote:
> you cant Cougar is for MVPs only at the mo... ;-(
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>
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> "Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)" <sup...@REMOVETHIS.SBITS.Biz
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> What?
> What SBS user Group can you join, to get Cougar Beta?
>
> -rg
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> Russell Grover
> SBITS.Biz
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
> support @ SBITS.Biz
> Remote SBS2003 Support
> http://www.SBITS.Biz
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>
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> "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> <sbra...@pacbell.net <mailto:sbra...@pacbell.net>> wrote in
Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
they need to get a tad more on the ball.
POP
"Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)" <sup...@REMOVETHIS.SBITS.Biz> wrote in message news:eODroOIp...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Russ Grover (SBITS.Biz)
However It's on a day and time I have previous scheduled commitments
Last one I was able to attend was October last year :(
Russ
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