Half cooked security?
JimL
procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security only to
the wireless side?
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For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
JimL
Jack [MVP-Networking]
Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to secure the
Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on through the
Wireless to your Network.
In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus, etc.,
have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
Wireless Connection Security.
From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
No Security
Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed even if
it is Off)
MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC number can be
easily Spoofed).
WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
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The three above are Not considered safe.
Safe Starts here at WPA.
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WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you would have
to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and Wireless
Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is available with
your Wireless hardware.
All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass
phrase.
Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best possible
of one of the Wireless devices.
I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to the
max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to max . of
WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP.
If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card that can
do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole Network, replace the
device with a better one.
Setting Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
Jack (MVP-Networking).
"JimL" <inv...@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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JimL
I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs wirelessly.
I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a wireless security
protocol as well as the wireless computer, even though no one can drive by
my house and tune in wirelessly to my wired computer. Is that correct?
Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there is a
wired computer on the network?
"Jack [MVP-Networking]" <ja...@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message
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Frankster
Basically what he said is that a wireless connection offers ONE ADDITIONAL
security measure that is not available on a wired connection. That
additional measure - encryption - is only necessary becuase a wireless
connection is the only one of the two that present an over-the-air security
risk. Other than that, security measures are the same for both.
-Frank
"JimL" <inv...@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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JimL
"can I apply security only to the wireless side?"
Perhaps I should reword it.
"can I apply security to only the wireless side?"
Or:
"can I apply security to the wireless side regardless of the wired side?"
Or:
"can I apply security WITHIN the wireless connection between the router and
the wireless computer?"
I'm not asking about levels of security or additional security, but
............. the question in my OP.
"Frankster" <fr...@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
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Frankster
"security". Maybe you should. There are bazillions of interpretations of
"security".
-Frank
"JimL" <inv...@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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Jack [MVP-Networking]
Please read this, http://www.ezlan.net/faq.html#secure
Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
"JimL" <inv...@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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JimL
security is. How can I say it better than wireless. Radio? RF
frequencies? What does wireless security between a computer and a router
mean? Very obviously making sure I'm the only one using it. I think
someone used the word sniffing. You don't know about that? I don't believe
it. What else would wireless computer security mean but secure
transmission? What magic word is it you want me to say? You tell _me_ what
wireless security is. My guess is that it's probably encryption of some
sort or a thousand sorts, but I'm not a wireless security expert.
Anti-virus? Firewalls? Get serious. By the most simple logic that applies
equally to wired connections and I DID make it clear I'm not talking about a
wired connection. So I don't get your question.
Back then to my question. Whatever wireless security is, and however many
varieties it comes in, can you do it to a wireless connection when a wired
computer (and nothing else) is on the other end of the router. That's what
I have asked and am asking. A wire is naturally secure unless you have it
extending into the public place. Can you secure the unsecured (wireless)
end? I'm sorry but it seems like a simple question to me.
"Frankster" <fr...@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
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JimL
word "tapping" instead of "sniffing."
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Wireless Security has Nothing to do with securing the Internet Connection.
Wireless is just a replacement for a Wire and thus can be intercepted by
people in the neighborhood attaching them self to your Signal and use your
LAN and your LAN's Internet Connection. To avoid Local Tapping there are
Wireless Security measures. These measures are unique to the Wireless
components,
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JimL
I see nothing there about having one wired computer and one wireless
computer on a router and how to secure the wireless one.
"Jack [MVP-Networking]" <ja...@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message
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Frankster
> varieties it comes in
Here is your original question...
"If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security only to
the wireless side?"
Nowhere in your question was the phrase "wireless security". Just
"security".
You're welecome for all the help.
-Frank
Jack [MVP-Networking]
My post from the 25th explains the Wireless security.
That is what is needed to be done with the Wireless regardless of whether
you have (or do not have) a wire connection too.
In addition a personal Network (wire, and or Wireless) if used for Internet
connection, needs to be secured from the Internet too.
This type of security is done by making sure that each computer (Wire, and
Wireless) has installed and active, Firewall, AntiVirus, and AntiSpyware
applications.
Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
"JimL" <inv...@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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JimL
I quote, "security only to the wireless".
I call that wireless security.
JimL
turn on WPA or something on only the wireless side and it will work with the
wired side that way. I had read several statements saying both computers
had to be set up identically. Apparently that is not true.
"Jack [MVP-Networking]" <ja...@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message
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> to be done with the Wireles
> "JimL" <inv...@invalid.inv> wrote in message
JimL
(router) and turned on WPA Personal and my wireless connection instantly
vanished. Upon clicking any icon that previously led to the wired computer
the error says that computer is not accessable and "The network path was not
found."
I went back to the browser and selected 192.168.1.1 again to turn the
security off. I get an error saying, "Unable to connect," and "Internet
connection does not seem to be working." Of course by trying 192.168.1.1 I
was not seeking the internet.
It seems that asking if I could do this before jumping into it was totally
useless. I now have no connection between the computers, the wireless
connected computer now has no internet connection.
After some sort of delay I was able to get into 192.168.1.1 on the wired
computer and, after trying WPA2 Personal with the same results, turn off the
security and now I have networking again but no wireless security.
This is EXACTLY what I was afraid would happen, which is why I asked about
doing in the first place. It seems that asking if I could secure the
wireless connection only was totally useless. Securing the wireless end of
this two computer network is plainly impossible.
Thanks
"Jack [MVP-Networking]" <ja...@discussiongroup.com> wrote in message
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> My post from the 25th explains the Wireless security.
> That is what is needed to be done with the Wireless regardless of whether
> you have (or do not have) a wire connection too.
Frankster
> was totally useless. Securing the wireless end of this two computer
> network is plainly impossible.
Thanks for the update.
-Frank
JimL
You're very welcome.
Thanks for sidestepping my question.