Send to.....Menu

TJ

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Mar 27, 2003, 9:43:47 PM3/27/03

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How do you alter the the menu for the options possible in the Send to
menu after you have right clicked on a given item....? I have W 98 SE

I would like to use certain folders that I use a lot for storage and
have them identified in the Send to menu....but so far after much
diddling have not figured out how to do it....

Help is appreciated

Thank you

TJ

glee

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:10:08 PM3/27/03

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Open Windows Explorer or My Computer to the Windows\Send To folder.
Create a shortcut in the Send To folder, to the folder you want to send files to.
You can do this by dragging the folder in question to the Send To folder *using the right mouse button*...this will bring up a menu when you release the right mouse button over the Send To folder. Choose "Create shortcut" from that menu.

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Alan Edwards

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:14:36 PM3/27/03

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Add a suitable shortcut to a specific folder in the SendTo folder,
normally C:\Windows\SendTo

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Bill in CO

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:27:26 PM3/27/03

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Related to this....have you ever noticed when you use this option, that
some apps don't preserve the long file names? I think I've used this Send
To with Wordpad or Notepad, and only seen the 8.3 filenames (in some
instances). Anybody else seen that happen?

glee

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Mar 27, 2003, 11:00:29 PM3/27/03

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What do you mean? Are you referring to sending a file to Wordpad using a shortcut to Wordpad in the Send To folder?
Wordpad always shows the file name in the title bar in 8.3 format.

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Bill in CO

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Mar 28, 2003, 1:01:46 AM3/28/03

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What I mean is this: I can take a nice long file name text file, and open
it in Wordpad directly, and you see the long file name there - intact
(including the save option). This does NOT happen when I use the Send To
Wordpad method, however. Then, and only then, do you get the 8.3
filenames. (Try it if you don't believe me).

ppoatt

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Mar 29, 2003, 2:23:16 PM3/29/03

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An easy way that I have found is. Right click folder.
Scroll to send to. Select desktop(create shortcut). Now on
the new icon on desktop. Right click and select move to.
When the pop-up window appears toggle to C/windows/startup
and OK. Then you will have it in your send to list.
Good Luck!

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Mar 29, 2003, 2:44:12 PM3/29/03

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Correction;
You put it in "Windows\SendTo" not "Startup" Also here is another tip. Go to this page
http://www.gabrieleponti.com/
and Download his SendTo power toy. Much better than the one that MS used to have. On of the feature is that you can R-Click a file or folder and then select "Add to Send To" and the rest is done for you. It's in the "Spotlight" area at the top of his page and it's freeware.
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ppoatt

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Mar 29, 2003, 4:15:15 PM3/29/03

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OOPS! You are right. Thank you for correcting that! Hope
he didn't already do it my way. Thanks again.

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Mar 29, 2003, 4:26:00 PM3/29/03

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There would not be any harm done. There is no Windows\Startup folder.:-) It's Windows\Start Menu\Startup and all that would happen is that there would be a program or folder unexpectedly opening at startup.
try that toy that I mentioned. You will like what you can do with that.

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Bill in CO

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Mar 29, 2003, 4:52:16 PM3/29/03

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Guess nobody has tried this out yet?
It probably does the same thing in Notepad, and who knows what other apps.
Most annoying, as it really limits the usefulness of the Send To option.
Maybe there is a configuration switch someone knows about to force the Send
To option to be smart enough to ALWAYS use the long filenames - like it
should! I mean, why should we be forced to open the application up
directly, from within the app?

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Mar 29, 2003, 5:06:14 PM3/29/03

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I don't install WordPad so I am taking your word for it.

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glee

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Mar 29, 2003, 5:39:49 PM3/29/03

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I have tried it and you are correct, but I have no fix for you. Notepad does not do it, but Wordpad does. Also, some third party editors also truncate the name the way Wordpad does, when sent through a Send To shortcut....Grown Up Notepad (GUN), QEditor. I think it has to do with how the program is written, since the programs that have the "edit window" limit (such as Notepad) do not exhibit this, but programs that can open files of unlimited size (Wordpad, GUN) do have this "bug".

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Bill in CO

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Mar 29, 2003, 5:56:09 PM3/29/03

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I thought there might be away to reconfigure it - like how the file name is
passed as a parameter, using the % options (or whatever they are) - maybe
in the registry - so it knows to use the long file name. Know what I
mean?

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Mar 29, 2003, 6:08:29 PM3/29/03

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And yet I use EditPad which does not have the "edit window" limit and the file name is fine in there. The file I just tried it with is "C:\My Documents\No Startup Group.txt" and that should show the problem.

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glee

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Mar 29, 2003, 7:53:04 PM3/29/03

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Yep...you're right. I just tried it with EditPad and it is fine there. So, if it is programming-related, it is from another standpoint. I can't see where in the Registry it would make any difference, which is why I tend to think has to do with program code.

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Mar 29, 2003, 8:33:22 PM3/29/03

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I would think so as well Glen. I think that Notepad and WordPad are old 16 bit programs that were barely upgraded for Win 9x. If I get a chance I will load Programmers Notepad and try it there.

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glee

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Mar 29, 2003, 10:11:04 PM3/29/03

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Notepad and Wordpad are both 32-bit and have been since Win95. Also, the former does not exhibit the behaviour described when used through SendTo, but the latter does.
I believe certain parameters are not passed when a file is sent through SendTo, but I do not know what.

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I would think so as well Glen. I think that Notepad and WordPad are old 16 bit programs that were barely upgraded for Win 9x. If I get a chance I will load Programmers Notepad and try it there.

PCR

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Mar 30, 2003, 3:19:03 AM3/30/03

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It has to be the same parameters sent to both Notepad & Wordpad. So, it's up to them which parameter they will use for file name. Odd the bigger one would choose badly, though.

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ppoatt

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Mar 30, 2003, 11:36:20 AM3/30/03

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In the words of alot of MVPs on this site:
"Please make replies to the original post"

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glee

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Mar 30, 2003, 1:28:39 PM3/30/03

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Not what I meant....I was thinking of Bill in CO's question about adding parameters to the Target field of the shortcut in the SendTo folder to by-pass the unwanted behaviour. That idea won't work though, because command line parameters in the Target field won’t work if you add the parameters to the shortcut in the SendTo folder and then right-click a file and send it to that shortcut.

Note that how the partcular program reacts when a file is dragged and dropped to it, is also how it will react when a file is sent through the SendTo menu to that app, so it appears to be determined solely by the app in question.

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PCR

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Mar 30, 2003, 3:55:30 PM3/30/03

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I see. That would have been nice, if it could be done in the shortcut in SendTo. Didn't occur to me.Yes, it has to be the app gets access to two file names, a short & a long. Some apps choose to use the short. OK, thanks.

I really don't see how Colorado can complain, though, as he himself has now chosen to be just CO!

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glee

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Mar 30, 2003, 5:35:21 PM3/30/03

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All LFN-aware apps have access to both the LFN's and the DOS names. It is up to the apps' code which it displays when a file is *dropped* on the open app, as opposed to when a file is opened through its open menu or through its association with the file (d-click).
Why it is different for some apps and not for others, I have no idea....I'd love to hear a reason. :-)

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PCR

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Mar 30, 2003, 5:57:45 PM3/30/03

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I can only guess the ones that don't use the LFN were written at the same time LFN processing was being developed. The programmer didn't want to risk doing it wrong or becoming incompatible with the pre-LFN OS, which was early Win95.

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Mar 30, 2003, 6:07:06 PM3/30/03

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I just went through the index for my manual on VC++6 and I don't see anything there about the LFN handlers and the same applies VC++4 manual. I suspect that this may have been a problem in earlier versions. Going to the MSDN site for that info is a lost cause because all you can ever find is info pertaining to the .net framework and that is one area in which I have a total lack of interest. I have some older books around and I will see what I come across and post it if it is of a important nature.

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PCR

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Mar 30, 2003, 6:09:31 PM3/30/03

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Or possibly late 3.1x. Little did he know how peeved CO would become over it!

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"PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote in message news:u4frQ#w9CHA...@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

I can only guess the ones that don't use the LFN were written at the same time LFN processing was being developed. The programmer didn't want to risk doing it wrong or becoming incompatible with the pre-LFN OS, which was early Win95.

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All LFN-aware apps have access to both the LFN's and the DOS names. It is up to the apps' code which it displays when a file is *dropped* on the open app, as opposed to when a file is opened through its open menu or through its association with the file (d-click).
Why it is different for some apps and not for others, I have no idea....I'd love to hear a reason. :-)

...glen
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...snip

Bill in CO

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Mar 30, 2003, 6:56:42 PM3/30/03

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I think what it was was that the programmer assigned to Wordpad's code had
a few too many beers one week, and just took the easy route out (of using
the 8.3 filenames).

Bill in CO

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Mar 30, 2003, 6:58:40 PM3/30/03

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That's why I changed my name. So it would fit in an 8.3 format. Check
it out:
"BillinCO". See? That just makes it, with 8 characters! No LFN
needed. LOL! (as long as you skip the spaces).

PCR

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Mar 30, 2003, 7:11:14 PM3/30/03

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Well, all right, as long as you haven't done it on account of too much beer, Colorado.

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...snip

PCR

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Mar 30, 2003, 7:15:11 PM3/30/03

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Well, I don't know how to do it, but it may be possible to put a .pif in SendTo. That would be a shortcut to a .bat. The .bat or batch file might be able to retrieve the LFN & call Wordpad with it.

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glee

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Mar 30, 2003, 9:20:48 PM3/30/03

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Interested more as a curiosity than anything else.....
Post if you find a clue, or drop me an email.

...glen
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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Mar 30, 2003, 10:04:23 PM3/30/03

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I will do that Glen. I am not going to lose any sleep looking for it though. Occasionally I have need to go to the older manuals and sometimes I just browse through them for something to do. When I start doing that , I know it's time to get out more. <g>

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Bill in CO

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Mar 30, 2003, 11:37:41 PM3/30/03

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Please post it (if you find a clue), so the rest of us can see, too. I
think it would be interesting to know.

glee

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Mar 31, 2003, 12:21:01 AM3/31/03

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LOL...I hear ya! I know it's time to get out when I fire up my old DOS-only 486. <g>

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Hugh Candlin

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Mar 31, 2003, 1:48:12 AM3/31/03

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>Interested more as a curiosity than anything else.....
>Post if you find a clue, or drop me an email.

This has been a problem for quite some time, according to the MS KB.

Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 171857
Long File Name Lost After Using Send To Command with WordPad
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;171857

STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem in the WordPad tool
included with the Windows versions listed above.
We are researching this problem and will post new information
in the Microsoft Knowledge Base as it becomes available.

Last Reviewed: 8/9/2001 (I can find no record of a subsequent fix).

For what it's worth, using "Save As" restores the LFN to the title bar.

Bill Blanton

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Apr 1, 2003, 10:56:30 PM4/1/03

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"Bill in CO" <wbhu...@no.spam.earthlink.net> wrote in message news:#mqxlZk9...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> I thought there might be away to reconfigure it - like how the file name is
> passed as a parameter, using the % options (or whatever they are) - maybe
> in the registry - so it knows to use the long file name. Know what I
> mean?

Wordpad.exe takes whatever it is passed as parameter. If you pass it a
short name it will display the 8.3 name, if passed a lfn it will display
that.

As an example, you can create a new file type, *.foo, and set the "open"
command as [wordpad.exe %1]. Double click longfilename.foo and it will
display longfi~1.foo, in the title bar. Change the parameter in the reg
to be passed to a lfn [wordpad.exe "%L"] and it will display the lfn in
the bar. (I haven't tried, but you might be able to test this from a
command prompt too. [wordpad.exe "longfilename.foo"] (don't forget
quotes)

I guess that the "send to" and "drag/drop" always pass the short name,
%1, for compatibility reasons. Windows has no easy way to know if the
receiving app is lfn-aware, and passing a lfn if not supported would probably
cause an error. It may only then see "longfile" or "longfile.nam", or
perhaps overrun a buffer.

Otoh, If an app has grabbed an extension "association" through the
registry and it is safe for the lfn, the command "value" can be the "%L"
parameter. Or use a "%1" and do the conversion within the program. (The
window's API does have a function that can get the lfn from the "short
name").

Or, in wordpad's case , just use whatever string it has been passed.

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 1, 2003, 11:40:07 PM4/1/03

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Hi Bill;
I'm still trying to track it down but so far it appears to be in the way that the OLE container passes the filename. And it looks as though it was an old bug about enclosing the variable in double quotes.

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Apr 2, 2003, 12:29:44 AM4/2/03

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I just tried this Send To redirect to open a file with 3 applications, each
with different results (using a long file name):

1) Notepad - LFN shows up in title bar, but when you go to save the file,
all you get is the 8.3 (short) filename.

2) Wordpad - LFN does NOT show up in the title bar or in the save option.
Totally 8.3.

3) MS Works (a "real" application program) - everything works the way it
should - is totally LFN compatible.

But again, keep in mind that if you open the file directly in the
application (File, Open), it works properly with the LFN. But I don't
see anyway to reconfigure the Send To shortcuts for Notepad or Wordpad to
properly handle it.

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 2, 2003, 12:58:38 AM4/2/03

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That could all still be because of OLE. I no longer have either WordPad or NotePad installed on my system. It would be interesting to see what happens if you try File>Open and then type in the LFN instead of browsing to it. That should not require OLE. Then I will know if I am on the right track. The one thing that I just tried though was to open a DOS box and type the following;
cd\"my documents"
edit "datescript.txt"
Then I used File>Save as datescript1.txt and it saved as the proper LFN.

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Apr 2, 2003, 1:12:39 AM4/2/03

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I tried that in Notepad and Wordpad, and it worked fine (typing in a long
file name), so I presume this means it is OLE related. Interesting that
each application handled it differently, apparently due to how the OLE
related code was written for each application.

Bottom line appears to be that if you're going to use these simple apps
(like Notepad and Wordpad), it's best to use the "File, Open" box - and NOT
the Send To option, despite how convenient that might be.

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 2, 2003, 1:24:21 AM4/2/03

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That would appear to be correct. When you typed the LFN's did you have to put in the double quotes? I've been going through a couple of the older manuals and they say that is what should be done when passing a variable string (such as a filename) however I can not find the same reference in the VC++ 6 manual. So it is probably something that was corrected later. Both NotePad and WordPad are older applications.

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Apr 2, 2003, 1:31:40 AM4/2/03

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George (Bindar Dundat) wrote:
> That would appear to be correct. When you typed the LFN's did you have
to
> put in the double quotes?

No - didn't need the double quotes. Just typed the filename directly into
the File, Open box. Works great.

The problem lies with the Send To (and evidently OLE based) handling of the
LFN - or should I say, "not handling of", in the case of these two simple
application programs. Maybe it is a legacy problem - the code for Notepad
and Wordpad in the OLE arena apparently wasn't revamped very much over
time.

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 2, 2003, 1:41:59 AM4/2/03

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Thanks for the info Bill;
You are right in thinking that Send To is OLE based. It is drag and drop without the drag. The double quote thing does put a possible crimp in my theory but at least I am now sure that I'm on the right track here. Actually my curiosity is sated now but it probably won't be enough for Glen so I'll keep digging. <g>

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PCR

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Apr 2, 2003, 5:46:50 PM4/2/03

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CO, this worked to bring up Wordpad:

C:\>start wordpad "C:\Program Files\Karen's Power Tools\Alarm\ptalarm.txt"

However, the only name I saw in the Title bar was "ptalarm.txt". Where are you supposed to see the rest of it?

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 2, 2003, 5:54:29 PM4/2/03

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You won't see the path in the title bar and that file name you tried fits within the 8.3 format. Just create a sample text file with 12 or 14 characters including a space or two and then you can see what happens.

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Apr 2, 2003, 7:20:15 PM4/2/03

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Oh, he means just the name. Oof, fine!, but Colorado should be doing this work.

start wordpad "C:\Program Files\Karen's Power Tools\Alarm\Copy of ptalarm.txt"

That worked! So, a .pif would do it for him.

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"George (Bindar Dundat)" <Jus...@nothome.net> wrote in message news:OBGduqW#CHA....@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Bill Blanton

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Apr 2, 2003, 8:48:21 PM4/2/03

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Are you saying that it will "re"save it with the short 8.3 name?

"Bill in CO" <wbhu...@no.spam.earthlink.net> wrote in message news:#nMog7N#CHA....@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> I tried that in Notepad and Wordpad, and it worked fine (typing in a long
> file name),
>

Bill in CO

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Apr 2, 2003, 11:00:34 PM4/2/03

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Come again? This is too ambiguous for me. Detail it.

Bill in CO

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Apr 2, 2003, 11:01:57 PM4/2/03

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Come again, PCR? Have you been following this thread?

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 3, 2003, 1:07:19 AM4/3/03

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It would appear as if PCR caught up to this thread about 4 posts back.

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PCR

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Apr 3, 2003, 1:23:00 AM4/3/03

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I still see the original post, about thirty back.

Somewhere in it, Colorado, didn't you want to SendTo Wordpad and have it open with a LFN in it's Title bar?

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PCR

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Apr 3, 2003, 1:28:53 AM4/3/03

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Does this refresh your memory?

.......Start.........

I just tried this Send To redirect to open a file with 3 applications, each
with different results (using a long file name):

1) Notepad - LFN shows up in title bar, but when you go to save the file,
all you get is the 8.3 (short) filename.

2) Wordpad - LFN does NOT show up in the title bar or in the save option.
Totally 8.3.

3) MS Works (a "real" application program) - everything works the way it
should - is totally LFN compatible.

But again, keep in mind that if you open the file directly in the
application (File, Open), it works properly with the LFN. But I don't
see anyway to reconfigure the Send To shortcuts for Notepad or Wordpad to
properly handle it.

.......End..........

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 3, 2003, 1:29:34 AM4/3/03

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According to this article that is exactly what *can* happen.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;171857
It appears that the problem (?) is more related to the way that OLE passes the filename more than with the LFN itself.

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 3, 2003, 1:34:57 AM4/3/03

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Not really. He just wanted to know why it didn't happen that way. This is one of those curiosity type threads. We are making attempting to force the brain cells into action. Retirement seems to have dulled them somewhat and I am having a hard time trying to remember why this LFN thing happens.but I do know that the problem only appears in programs using older C++ code.

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PCR

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Apr 3, 2003, 1:56:17 AM4/3/03

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Hmm, I thought he really wanted it. Well, I have been a fool to dally in here. I must go & do important things. Bye!

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You guys are just trying to confuse me! What I want (and would expect
anybody would want) is to use Send To option with Notepad or Wordpad, and
have it preserve and handle the LFNs - not only in the title bar, but in
the file save options there too - the way it is supposed to do!

Now PCR, if you have found a way that really works, and have verified it,
that would be interesting to hear! Somehow I don't think the PIF thing
is gonna do it, but I could be mistaken. Try putting a shortcut to
Notepad and Wordpad in your Send To folders, and see if it works flawlessly
(with long filenames). You should be able to take any text file in
Windows Explorer, and right mouse click on it, and use the Send To option
on that file, and have it work properly.

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 3, 2003, 3:23:47 AM4/3/03

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It isn't going to work Bill at least not using "Send To". The hand-off from OLE to the application code in early C++ apps broke the LFN. What is really required is a rewrite of those early apps but I have doubts if Microsoft has any intention of doing that. In the foreseeable future those apps won't even be available.

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Apr 3, 2003, 3:59:59 AM4/3/03

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Notepad can somehow get the LFN from what SendTo sends it, you say. I know a shortcut to a .bat file can be put into the SendTo folder. The .bat file can "Start" Wordpad & with a LFN. That much, I did. The only question is whether the .bat file can do as Notepad does and get the LFN from SendTo. I don't know.

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Apr 3, 2003, 4:22:38 AM4/3/03

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Because Notepad was written in a later version of C++, there is no problem with it. The way that I was sure that it was OLE related was the fact that I could hand a LFN off to Edit.com in a DOS box and that did not break the LFN ( I suspected it would ). I've been slowly going through the old manuals and sooner or latter I will spot where it breaks but it has yet to make the top 10 of my priority list.

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PCR

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Apr 3, 2003, 4:42:43 AM4/3/03

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Lucky for me I don't have those manuals. Now, go on, turn those pages.

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"George (Bindar Dundat)" <Jus...@nothome.net> wrote in message news:OlIJ4Jc#CHA....@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Because Notepad was written in a later version of C++, there is no problem with it. The way that I was sure that it was OLE related was the fact that I could hand a LFN off to Edit.com in a DOS box and that did not break the LFN ( I suspected it would ). I've been slowly going through the old manuals and sooner or latter I will spot where it breaks but it has yet to make the top 10 of my priority list.

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...snip

glee

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Apr 3, 2003, 6:57:58 AM4/3/03

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FWIW, it happens with the third-party Grown Up Notepad (GUN) too, and it is written in MASM.

...glen
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Apr 3, 2003, 10:48:26 AM4/3/03

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You sure know how to make a guy's day when he first wakes up. OK then, the OLE part still holds so onto the next theory. At least it is getting narrowed down. Not bad for a guy who has never had to worry about OLE, because it was not used in our systems.

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Apr 3, 2003, 10:51:21 PM4/3/03

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Ok, thanks. Are you sure that it is OLE? I always assumed that windows simply
calls a CreateProcess( ); and passes the "dropped" string to the process? Let
the called process sort out what it needs to do..

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George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 3, 2003, 11:34:18 PM4/3/03

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I'm pretty sure now that it is in the way it is handled when it is dropped from OLE. Remember that all drag and drop procedures ( which includes Send To) are done with OLE. There is a good chance that it is being handed off to CreateProcess( ) though. And the only time there appears to be a problem is when OLE is involved.
I am going to call it a night soon so I won't be looking at it tonight but I will get back to it again soon.
One more thing; don't you go turning cynical on me. <vbg>

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Apr 3, 2003, 11:55:01 PM4/3/03

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Ha!
:-D

Too late.. I question even my own motives..

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PCR

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Apr 4, 2003, 1:13:41 AM4/4/03

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Dundat appears to be quite the matador in this thread.

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"George (Bindar Dundat)" <Jus...@nothome.net> wrote in message news:OlIJ4Jc#CHA....@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

% Because Notepad was written in a later version of C++, there is no
% problem with it. The way that I was sure that it was OLE related was the
% fact that I could hand a LFN off to Edit.com in a DOS box and that did
% not break the LFN ( I suspected it would ).

I'm starting to think that you're right, and that it is OLE related (or is it
COM?) This definetly is not just a simple passing of the "drop-string"
via createProcess as I originally thought. I found an old "test-app"
that I wrote some time ago that simply displays the command line
argument that it receives. For both drap/drop and send-to operations, it
only outputs the eightd~1.3 name. And, of course it is not a "registered
object handler".

However, a vbs script -does- echo a dropped lfn. Windows/explorer must
recognise the the scripting host as an OLE (or COM) aware app and pass
it the lfn information.

dim WshShell : Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
wscript.echo wscript.arguments(0)

% % "Bill in CO" <wbhu...@no.spam.earthlink.net> wrote in message news:O2d1dfb#CHA....@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
% % | You guys are just trying to confuse me! What I want (and would expect
% % | anybody would want) is to use Send To option with Notepad or Wordpad, and
% % | have it preserve and handle the LFNs - not only in the title bar, but in
% % | the file save options there too - the way it is supposed to do!

I don't know that it would be fixable, if what George suspects is true.

I wrote a script (spawned from the above scriptlet) that will launch
wordpad and pass it the lfn. Unfortunately, vbs scripts don't seem to
be recognized in the send-to folder.

Create a wordpad.vbs file with these contents, and drop a lfn file on it-

-----------------
dim WshShell : Set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")

If wscript.arguments.count <> 0 Then
WshShell.Run "wordpad.exe " + Chr(34) + wscript.arguments(0) + Chr(34)
End If

wscript.quit
-----------------

I know it's "kludgy", but you could possibly put it in the task bar and
drag files there, or put together a workaround using cscript.exe and a
DOS *.pif. in the send-to.

Otherwise, Get a real text editor! UltraEdit is the best that I've found.
http://www.ultraedit.com/
:-)

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 5, 2003, 3:24:51 PM4/5/03

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I'm going to try to get back to this over the weekend. This is all just out of curiosity because by the time I find the answer the app's involved will be redundant anyway.

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Apr 5, 2003, 7:58:56 PM4/5/03

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Understood. btw..wordpad seems to behave in XP.

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Apr 5, 2003, 8:07:47 PM4/5/03

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There is something I have not tried. Maybe a FC on the two versions of WordPad is in order.

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Earlier today, I copied XP's wordpad.exe, mfc42u.dll and ntdll.dll to my 98
partition. Ran the new wordpad and got an interesting message that I
did not record ;-). Something about the program was designed to take
advantage of NT's unicode format, and so wouldn't run. Actually, I'm
surprised it gave that, I was expecting an incorrect windows version error.

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Apr 5, 2003, 9:16:20 PM4/5/03

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I think that there has been a major revision of that file then. I am familiar with that "NT unicode format" message. I've seen it before when I tried plying with XP files. At one time I hoped that I could get a good blend of XP an 98 but I have dropped that as a bad experience. Thanks for the info Bill. As soon as I get some free time here I will get back at it. I think we lost Glen in this conversation. And I think he was the curious one to begin with. <g>

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Apr 5, 2003, 10:14:20 PM4/5/03

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Maybe the Windows ME version would work on Windows 98. Wonder if that
version would work right (with the Send To).

Bill Blanton

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Apr 5, 2003, 11:28:24 PM4/5/03

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I just tried that, and ME's wordpad does work in 98.. However it still
exhibits the same behavior. The good news is that it works as
it should in ME. ;-)

"Bill in CO" <wbhu...@no.spam.earthlink.net> wrote in message news:eij4fq##CHA....@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> Maybe the Windows ME version would work on Windows 98. Wonder if that
> version would work right (with the Send To).

For some reason, I couldn't reply to your post Bill in CO.

glee

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Apr 6, 2003, 10:33:34 PM4/6/03

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George, I am still following the thread and watching you hard at work <g>, but the server is rejecting all attempts at replying below a certain level...thread too long?

I was *curious*, but it was Bill in CO who "wants to know".

...glen
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Apr 6, 2003, 10:42:43 PM4/6/03

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Yes, it was I. I still use Wordpad on some occasions (for quick peeks at
a file), and the SendTo option is convenient.

From all I've gathered here, it looks like it's an OLE coded problem in the
exchange of the long file name between Windows98 and Wordpad. Wordpad
apparently works properly with the SendTo option in Windows ME (according
to someone here - I forgot who).

It's really not THAT much of a big deal to me. But it is curious.

Bill Blanton

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Apr 6, 2003, 10:49:33 PM4/6/03

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I got that too. I think Bill in CO.'s header was corrupted somehow.

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Apr 6, 2003, 10:53:25 PM4/6/03

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What header? You mean the one with the period in it? Does that throw off
some servers? Maybe PCR can illuminate us.... :-)

George (Bindar Dundat)

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Apr 6, 2003, 10:52:25 PM4/6/03

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The threads not long on my end. I shortened it a long time ago. The blessings of OE 6 SP1.

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Apr 6, 2003, 11:12:27 PM4/6/03

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I could reply to one of your posts yesterday-
<eij4fq##CHA....@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
I got a "bad header" message from OE..

..and I replied to my own instead and wrote:
"For some reason, I couldn't reply to your post Bill in CO."

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Apr 6, 2003, 11:17:11 PM4/6/03

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should be "could not".

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PCR

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Apr 6, 2003, 11:33:07 PM4/6/03

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What header, Colorado?

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Apr 7, 2003, 1:34:09 AM4/7/03

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That's what I was asking!

PCR

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Apr 7, 2003, 2:23:11 AM4/7/03

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The first mention of header in this thread was out of your mouth. No, it was Bill. I know, it's a corrupt header. You have corrupted the header, Colorado.

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