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Gary S. Terhune  
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 More options Sep 29 2001, 12:57 pm
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
From: "Gary S. Terhune" <grystn...@mvps.org>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 09:56:56 -0700
Local: Sat, Sep 29 2001 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: Temp internet files
I'm sorry, but don't you see the contradiction? Content.IE5 is a sub-directory of Temporary Internet Files. How can you stay out of the TIF folder and still delete Content.IE5? In any case, the answer to your question is "Yes, you can delete the files from any one of those folders, and they will be gone...But that isn't the *correct* way to do it and can cause *problems*!"

The Content.IE5 folder *is* the TIF folder..... Oh, OK, I'll try an explanation.

There isn't really anything in the \Temporary Internet Files\ folder except one sub-directory, \Content.IE5\ .

There is only one file in the \Content.IE5\ directory, Index.dat, which is just that--an index of all of the files in the TIF system, catalogued and arranged to allow some logical routine or another to decide when and what to delete when the cache reaches maturity and downloaded files need to start being deleted in order to make room for newer content.

The actual files in the TIF system are stored in sub-directories of the Content.IE5 directory, all with totally nonsense names. This is for the purposes of security (don't ask me, I don't know the logic behind this arrangement.) The larger your TIF, the more of these directories will be created.

The files you "see" when you open \Temporary Internet Files\ in Windows Explorer aren't really there. What you "see" is a reflection of the files (most of them, anyway) that are actually located in the sub-directories with nonsense names.

The files you "see" when you open the Content.IE5 folder in Windows Explorer aren't really there. The only file that is really there, Index.dat (which is only one of several Index.dat files on your computer, BTW) can't be seen because it is "Super-Hidden". You can pull it up in DOS or using Find, but you can't find by browsing through Windows Explorer. And you can't delete it while Windows is running because it is in use. Always.

Only *some* of the files you "see" in any one of the individual gobbledy-gook-named sub-directories of Content.IE5 are actually in that sub-directory. What you "see" is, again, a reflection of ALL of the contents of the TIF cache--except, of course, Index.dat.

And there's more......

So, please, please stay out of the TIF folder, and that means stay out of it's sub-folders, too. Yes, you *can* delete files from those folders in Windows Explorer, and yes, they will really be gone--most of them. Yes, you can open files directly from the TIF folder or its sub-folders--but it's not a good idea. Strange things *can* happen. If you want to save a file from that system and/or open it, do just that--copy it to a different, completely separate folder.

If you want to clear the cache, do it using the appropriate buttons in Internet Settings. If you want to delete the TIF Index.dat file and/or the TIF folder and/or any of its sub-folders, do it in DOS, the way I explained.

If you have Profiles set up on your machine, the situation only gets more complicated. You may get lucky, wandering around in Windows Explorer and deleting this or that, but you are more likely to cause problems than to solve any.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP

"Matthew Cannon" <cannon_matt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9p4g5b$7dn$1@plutonium.btinternet.com...
> Sorry - I did read what you said but I didn't understand it!  I think I'll
> just accept that the TIF is a 'a mess of smoke & mirrors' and stay out!!!

> My real question is: Can I delete the contents of the Content.IE5 folder
> thet I found?

> Thanks for all your help - it makes me realise how little I know!!!

> Matt
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystn...@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uua#EaLSBHA.2080@tkmsftngp04...
> Please read what I wrote previously, again. The entire Temporary Internet
> Files folder is a mess of smoke & mirrors. What you see is definitely not
> what you get. Your best course of action is to *stay_out_of_the_TIF_folder*!

> Yes, I could explain the structures in detail, but I really don't think
> you'd understand what I have to say if you haven't understood what I've
> already said. The only way to accurately "see* what is inside the TIF
> directory is in DOS. And even that method is not particularly
> straight-forward.
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP

> "Matthew Cannon" <cannon_matt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9p2tii$1v7$1@uranium.btinternet.com...
> > I think this could explain the disc space options - but I don't think so.

> > Any suggestions as to how I can view the file - the only way I can see
> > it/its contents is by clicking browse in find, selecting content.ie5 and
> > then pressing search???

> > Matt

> > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystn...@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:OXC$NEESBHA.1900@tkmsftngp04...
> > The TIF folders are a strange breed, with lots of smoke & mirrors. Using
> > Internet Settings from within a certain user profile should empty that
> > Profile's TIF folder (leaving an Index.DAT file that may remain hidden
> even
> > with "Show All Files" enabled.) This Index.dat file appears to not want to
> > shrink in size. When the files it indexes are deleted, it will often
> replace
> > their entries in Index.dat with placeholder characters. And there's more
> > weirdness, but I won't go into it. Suffice it to say that it is almost
> > impossible to determine *anything* in the way of accurate info about
> TIF(s)
> > from Windows Explorer, and only slightly more easy in DOS.

> > There are three practices I would suggest:

> > 1. Get and use CacheSentry. Rather than post a link, I suggest you look it
> > up using Google.com. David Pochran's home site often exceeds its bandwidth
> > limit and you have to download it from elsewhere. Not only does
> CacheSentry
> > manage the TIF better, it fixes one or two bugs in the Index.dat
> situation.
> > Be sure to read and follow instructions completely. I don't leave
> > CacheSentry running, I schedule an hourly, "quiet" running, or have it run
> > once at startup. Otherwise it can slow down startups of IE and,
> > particularly, OE.

> > 2. When you empty TIFs using Internet Settings (which is the *only*
> > legitimate way to do so while Windows is running--don't try managing the
> > TIFs from within Windows Explorer), make sure to include "Offline files"
> in
> > the delete operation if prompted to do so--even if you can't imagine why,
> > because you never save files for Offline Browsing. Trust me, it needs to
> be
> > done.

> > 3. To reset the TIFs entirely, you need to use DELTREE in DOS. First, to
> > make it easy, Run MSCONFIG. Click the *Advanced* button, enable the
> "Startup
> > Menu". click OK, restart your computer. At the Startup Menu, choose
> Command
> > Prompt Only. Then, assuming your Windows directory is C:\Windows:

> > smartdrv
> > cd windows
> > deltree tempor~1  (Check for correctness, then confirm at prompt.)
> > cd profiles
> > cd {profilename1}
> > deltree tempor~1
> > cd ..  (cd, space, two periods)
> > cd {profilename2}
> > deltree tempor~1

> > Etcetera. Exact location of the TIF folders may vary. It's wise to have
> them
> > listed ahead of time. Use "cd" to change directories to a sub-folder of
> the
> > one you are in, "cd .." to go up one level. Be *sure* to load smartdrv
> > first, or this operation may take several hours instead of several
> minutes!
> > I don't like to use extended paths in this kind of procedure--too much
> > chance for error.

> > Use Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot and the various TIFs will be recreated at first
> > logon for each user. I don't *think* C:\Windows\All Users has a TIF
> folder,
> > but it's wise to check.
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS-MVP

> > "Matthew Cannon" <cannon_matt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9p21uc$ep2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com...
> > > On my PC we have several different profiles (users).

> > > In windows\profiles\userxyz\temp internet files there is about 1mb of
> > files
> > > if I total the individual file sizes.  However, if I look at the
> folder's
> > > properties it shows a size of 133mb - why?!

> > > How can I view/find/delete these files (if they exist?)

> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt


 
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