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meirman

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Feb 5, 2003, 4:04:27 AM2/5/03
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Thanks for all the help on installing a new drive.
The problems I expected in installing a new drive have been less.
And the ones I didn't expect, have been more!!


Is there any way to copy a directory, or many, or a whole partition,
to a new partition, while preserving the directory date, the date the
directory was created?

Background:
Every year I need that info more than I did before. I thought
filecopy.exe preserved the date, but after testing (only once) it
doesn't.

Partition Magic enables one to copy a whole partition, but then if I
want to increase partition size from 1 gig to more, it won't do it
because 5 of the partitions don't have enough empty space. Something
about increasing sector size. I'm trying to make a list of files I can
more temporarily to provide empty space, they say 125M each partition,
but it might be more like 75Meg, but I thought you all might know
another way. If I could do this, it would come in handy a lot of
times.

(I know how to change the date on a file, but not on a directory. And
I was hoping I wouldn't have to do all that. It would take a lot of
time.)

Thanks again.

Meirman

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PCR

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Feb 6, 2003, 12:08:58 AM2/6/03
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Dates? Aren't they all meaningless, with the exception of Modified date? Never mind, I can see how
one might want to know the original Creation date. Well, here is my list of backup apps. BootIt NG &
the imagers will make exact duplicates. I do know WinZip can do that as well. You'll have to look
through the docs for the others.

http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy
http://powerquest.com/driveimage/ Drive Image
http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image
to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you dare. Free, run from floppy, but
pay up as I did if satisfied. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/swdl.pl?c=co105&i=co105en&p=hpcdwriter2 Simple Backup
http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
http://www.moonscape.com/ Drive Image
http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy, free downloads
http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups
http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc.
http://www.winzip.com WinZip
http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy (Free, I think)
http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)

All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully and verify all is well. After
making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it. If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore
it and do a Scandisk/Defrag.

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Thanks & Good Luck,
PCR
pcr...@netzero.net
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meirman

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Feb 6, 2003, 5:41:35 AM2/6/03
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In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:08:58
-0500 "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> posted:

>
>Dates? Aren't they all meaningless, with the exception of Modified date? Never mind, I can see how
>one might want to know the original Creation date. Well, here is my list of backup apps. BootIt NG &
>the imagers will make exact duplicates. I do know WinZip can do that as well. You'll have to look
>through the docs for the others.

Well this will keep me busy for a while. Thanks.

a couple comments below:

>http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy
>http://powerquest.com/driveimage/ Drive Image

My PM7 also has trouble with two partitions because it gets an error,
and doesn't copy anything if it gets the error.

I read tonight, not at the powerquest site, that DriveImage or
Drivecopy (both from them too) is supposed to have a parm "/ire",
ignore rxxxx errors, which would just not copy the bad directory.
That would be fine. Since this function (copying partitions) is
basically built into PM7, I'm hoping it has a command line parm like
this, so let me check:

Well it has /DBG[= filename], which will identify the file,

And it also has /IFC, Ignore File System Checks. That sounds like
what I want, doesn't it, for the two partitions with errors??

>http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
>http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image
>to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
>Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you dare.

I do it now, but it was miserable setting up System Commander. The
documentation is terrible, and they admitted on the phone that it
doesn't do everything the drawing on the box makes it seem like it
does. And even what it does do, it was so hard to set up. I just
don't touch it anymore, and I'm afraid to uninstall it.

> Free, run from floppy, but
>pay up as I did if satisfied. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
>http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
>http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
>http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/swdl.pl?c=co105&i=co105en&p=hpcdwriter2 Simple Backup
>http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)

I have some of her stuff already. Registry stuff. Probably read about
it here. It's good.

I have whois too, and when I got it it was great, but months later
(last month) it didn't find things that some websites found. Her
other programs aren't dependant on outside servers like whois is.

Hey, I already have Replicator! It's already installed! I used to
have an icon for it, but I used to have so many crashes and I lost the
icon. Thanks! I was planning on a regular habit of backing up, but
first have to put in the new hard drive.

I'll test this tomorrow (today) probably.

And I'll look up what it says about the others.

>http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
>http://www.moonscape.com/ Drive Image
>http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
>http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy, free downloads
>http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups
>http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
>http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc.
>http://www.winzip.com WinZip
>http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy (Free, I think)
>http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)
>
>All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully and verify all is well. After
>making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it. If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore
>it and do a Scandisk/Defrag.

OK



>Thanks & Good Luck,
>PCR pcr...@netzero.net

>"meirman" <mei...@invalid.com> wrote

>| Thanks for all the help on installing a new drive.
>| The problems I expected in installing a new drive have been less.
>| And the ones I didn't expect, have been more!!
>|
>|
>| Is there any way to copy a directory, or many, or a whole partition,
>| to a new partition, while preserving the directory date, the date the
>| directory was created?

PCR

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Feb 6, 2003, 9:45:25 PM2/6/03
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"meirman" <mei...@invalid.com> wrote in message news:3rb44vs92luh5a00e...@4ax.com...

| In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:08:58
| -0500 "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> posted:
|
| >
| >Dates? Aren't they all meaningless, with the exception of Modified date? Never mind, I can see
how
| >one might want to know the original Creation date. Well, here is my list of backup apps. BootIt
NG &
| >the imagers will make exact duplicates. I do know WinZip can do that as well. You'll have to look
| >through the docs for the others.
|
| Well this will keep me busy for a while. Thanks.

You are welome.

|
| a couple comments below:
|
| >http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy
| >http://powerquest.com/driveimage/ Drive Image
|
| My PM7 also has trouble with two partitions because it gets an error,
| and doesn't copy anything if it gets the error.

Perhaps start a new post: "PM7 Error ???". Put the error number in it. I don't know PM7, but would a
"Scandisk /Surface /Checkonly" shed light on it? (Remove /Checkonly" to actually fix it, but some
have said Scandisk may do a poor job. Therefore, how about a lower level HDD repair, beneath the
file system? You may download a DOS app for that from the HDD manufacturer. I have one from WD &
another from Maxtor. I think it best to correct this error, instead of trying to have PM7 ignore it.
(OK-- maybe-- image the drive with the error first, just as a precaution.)

|
| I read tonight, not at the powerquest site, that DriveImage or
| Drivecopy (both from them too) is supposed to have a parm "/ire",
| ignore rxxxx errors, which would just not copy the bad directory.
| That would be fine. Since this function (copying partitions) is
| basically built into PM7, I'm hoping it has a command line parm like
| this, so let me check:
|
| Well it has /DBG[= filename], which will identify the file,
|
| And it also has /IFC, Ignore File System Checks. That sounds like
| what I want, doesn't it, for the two partitions with errors??

Sounds like it, all right. So, make the image/whatever. Then. go back & repair the original.

|
| >http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
| >http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup capabilities: Copy to HDD, or
Image
| >to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
| >Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you dare.
|
| I do it now, but it was miserable setting up System Commander. The
| documentation is terrible, and they admitted on the phone that it
| doesn't do everything the drawing on the box makes it seem like it
| does. And even what it does do, it was so hard to set up. I just
| don't touch it anymore, and I'm afraid to uninstall it.

Then, that's another thing to do, after you've made a full system backup. (I've got some to-do's,
myself.) Now, BootIt NG appears to do partitioning/resizing easily enough, and copying. It should
also Image easily/well, which is next for me. However, I must finally admit to a fear of actually
installing it. (It runs well uninstalled, off the floppy, for what I do.) And I'm not quite ready
to attempt a multi-boot.

|
| > Free, run from floppy, but
| >pay up as I did if satisfied. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
| >http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
| >http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
| >http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/swdl.pl?c=co105&i=co105en&p=hpcdwriter2 Simple Backup
| >http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
|
| I have some of her stuff already. Registry stuff. Probably read about
| it here. It's good.
|
| I have whois too, and when I got it it was great, but months later
| (last month) it didn't find things that some websites found. Her
| other programs aren't dependant on outside servers like whois is.
|
| Hey, I already have Replicator! It's already installed! I used to
| have an icon for it, but I used to have so many crashes and I lost the
| icon. Thanks! I was planning on a regular habit of backing up, but
| first have to put in the new hard drive.

You are welcome. (I haven't used that one.)

|
| I'll test this tomorrow (today) probably.
|
| And I'll look up what it says about the others.
|
| >http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
| >http://www.moonscape.com/ Drive Image
| >http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
| >http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy, free downloads
| >http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups
| >http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
| >http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc.
| >http://www.winzip.com WinZip
| >http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy (Free, I think)
| >http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)
| >
| >All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully and verify all is well.
After
| >making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it. If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps,
restore
| >it and do a Scandisk/Defrag.
|
| OK

My BootIt NG copy of C:partition does Scandisk/Defrag well. In fact, I'm running off it, shrunken to
about 8 GB.

|
| >Thanks & Good Luck,
| >PCR pcr...@netzero.net
|
| >"meirman" <mei...@invalid.com> wrote
| >| Thanks for all the help on installing a new drive.
| >| The problems I expected in installing a new drive have been less.
| >| And the ones I didn't expect, have been more!!
| >|
| >|
| >| Is there any way to copy a directory, or many, or a whole partition,
| >| to a new partition, while preserving the directory date, the date the
| >| directory was created?
|
|
| Meirman

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