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James

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Oct 6, 2006, 10:44:01 AM10/6/06
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Hi,

I have Virtual PC running on a desktop PC which is running Win XP Pro. To
create a new Virtual Disk can I use the same installation disk as that of the
host PC (my desktop PC) or do I need to purchase a separate copy of Windows
to install in the Virtual PC environment?

Regards,

James

Mark Rae

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Oct 6, 2006, 11:02:54 AM10/6/06
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"James" <Ja...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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You don't necessarily need a separate copy of Windows per se, but you do
need a separate licence...


Colin Barnhorst

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Oct 6, 2006, 8:14:40 PM10/6/06
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Each instance of XP you run must have its own license, even if on the same
machine. A vm is considered a separate computer from the host.

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PCGirl

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Oct 26, 2006, 6:29:02 PM10/26/06
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With XP Pro, You can install 2 instances of the OS with one device. Hence,
One guest and one host with the license.

Robert Comer

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Oct 26, 2006, 10:50:40 PM10/26/06
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That's not correct for anythWinXP license other than a volume license. (OEM
and retail is one and one only)

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Robert Comer

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Oct 26, 2006, 11:06:18 PM10/26/06
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<gurgle>

"anythWinXP"

is supposed to be "any WinXP"

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Mark Rae

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Oct 27, 2006, 2:47:50 AM10/27/06
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"PCGirl" <PCG...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> With XP Pro, You can install 2 instances of the OS with one device. Hence,


> One guest and one host with the license.

That simply isn't true...


Paul Adare

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Oct 28, 2006, 2:55:57 PM10/28/06
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In article <9D6D42F4-926E-4834...@microsoft.com>, in the
microsoft.public.virtualpc news group, =?Utf-8?B?UENHaXJs?=
<PCG...@discussions.microsoft.com> says...

> With XP Pro, You can install 2 instances of the OS with one device. Hence,
> One guest and one host with the license.
>

Sorry, but that simply isn't true unless you've got an SA or EA
agreement with Microsoft. For OEM and retails versions of XP this just
isn't the case.

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Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
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with the similar tantalisation that something,
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Kevin

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Nov 17, 2006, 2:03:02 PM11/17/06
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So it would be much more cost effective to run multiple hard drives and boot
whichever Windows configuration you need, rather than Virtual PC (since hard
drives are much cheaper than Windows). That's a shame. Virtual PC was a neat
idea before the license police ruined it.

Kevin

Steve Jain

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Nov 17, 2006, 2:47:25 PM11/17/06
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:03:02 -0800, Kevin
<Ke...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>So it would be much more cost effective to run multiple hard drives and boot
>whichever Windows configuration you need, rather than Virtual PC (since hard
>drives are much cheaper than Windows). That's a shame. Virtual PC was a neat
>idea before the license police ruined it.
>
>Kevin

How? It's no different than running two separate physical PCs at the
same time, you need a license for both.

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gebeleizis

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Nov 19, 2006, 3:38:23 PM11/19/06
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Steve Jain a băgat versurile::

> How? It's no different than running two separate physical PCs at the
> same time, you need a license for both.
>

How is that? If I am not running my physical machine, how can I run the
virtual one?

C A Upsdell

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Nov 19, 2006, 4:00:21 PM11/19/06
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Steve Jain wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:03:02 -0800, Kevin
> <Ke...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> So it would be much more cost effective to run multiple hard drives and boot
>> whichever Windows configuration you need, rather than Virtual PC (since hard
>> drives are much cheaper than Windows). That's a shame. Virtual PC was a neat
>> idea before the license police ruined it.
>>
>> Kevin
>
> How? It's no different than running two separate physical PCs at the
> same time, you need a license for both.

It is very different. I have to use Virtual PC only for testing IE with
websites, and only because M$ is too incompetent to allow multiple
versions of IE to be installed on one copy of Windows. I don't have to
pay for multiple Windows licenses to test sites with multiple versions
of Opera, Firefox, Konqueror, or any other browser: why should IE be
different? Why should I have to pay for M$'s incompetence?


Bob Babcock

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Nov 20, 2006, 12:19:26 AM11/20/06
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C A Upsdell <""cupsdell\"@nos...@upsdell.com"> wrote in
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> It is very different. I have to use Virtual PC only for testing IE
> with websites, and only because M$ is too incompetent to allow
> multiple versions of IE to be installed on one copy of Windows.

Apparently it is possible to have multiple versions of IE installed at the
same time. Google for "multiple IE versions windows" and you'll get hits
such as http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE
I haven't actually tried this; it's something I've been meaning to do when
I have the time.

C A Upsdell

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Nov 20, 2006, 1:01:43 AM11/20/06
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I have used this technique for quite some time, and it is very useful,
but it has important limitations: for example, Microsoft's conditional
comments are not handled correctly, and using bookmarks makes IE crash.
Using Virtual PC is therefore an important alternative, and one
that M$ repeatedly cites, but the multiple licensing issue is a serious
impediment to its use.

Note that, for the purpose of testing sites with multiple versions of
IE, multiple licensing not only unreasonably increases costs, but in
some cases is infeasible: try going to M$ and asking them to sell you,
say, four copies of Windows 98 so that you can test with IE 4.01, IE
5.01, IE 5.5, and IE 6.0.

Steve Jain

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Nov 20, 2006, 1:34:29 AM11/20/06
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Isn't that why they offer MSDN?

Mark Rae

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Nov 20, 2006, 2:54:57 AM11/20/06
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"Steve Jain" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
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>>Note that, for the purpose of testing sites with multiple versions of
>>IE, multiple licensing not only unreasonably increases costs, but in
>>some cases is infeasible: try going to M$ and asking them to sell you,
>>say, four copies of Windows 98 so that you can test with IE 4.01, IE
>>5.01, IE 5.5, and IE 6.0.
>
> Isn't that why they offer MSDN?

Absolutely!


C A Upsdell

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Nov 20, 2006, 8:53:22 AM11/20/06
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More $$$. Again, an unreasonable solution to M$'s inability to make a
standalone version of its browser.

Bo Berglund

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Nov 21, 2006, 12:25:14 PM11/21/06
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Except they have *removed* the old operating systems downloads...
Not even Windows 2000 is there anymore!

Fortunately I have a few disks hanging around but I was going to scrap
them because all of the strange versions were available as
downloads...
Not so anymore so we are screwed yet again. :-(
(I am a 10 year long memeber of MSDN)


Bo Berglund
bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

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