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Ron O'Brien  
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 More options Jul 23, 6:42 am
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.virtualpc
From: "Ron O'Brien" <castc...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:42:28 +0100
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 6:42 am
Subject: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP
I have a new PC with 64bit Vista Ultimate and 8gig RAM which I was hoping
would speed up HD digital video editing, but my software application will
not run under Vista, so I'm thinking use Virtual PC.

The problem, I only have 32bit XP pro, but if That is installed as a virtual
set-up on the 64bit Vista Host, will it then be able to take advantage of
the 8gig of RAM or will it still max out at just under 4gig?

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Ron


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Mark Rae [MVP]  
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 More options Jul 23, 6:53 am
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From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <m...@markNOSPAMrae.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:53:20 +0100
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 6:53 am
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP
"Ron O'Brien" <castc...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

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> I have a new PC with 64bit Vista Ultimate and 8gig RAM which I was hoping
> would speed up HD digital video editing, but my software application will
> not run under Vista, so I'm thinking use Virtual PC.

> The problem, I only have 32bit XP pro, but if That is installed as a
> virtual set-up on the 64bit Vista Host, will it then be able to take
> advantage of the 8gig of RAM or will it still max out at just under 4gig?

The key to this, as with 99% of Virtual PC questions is to consider what
would happen on a physical machine. As far as software (both OS and
applications) is concerned, there is no difference between a physical
machine and a virtual machine - in fact, the vast majority of software has
not the slightest idea that it's running on a virtual machine as opposed to
a physical machine.

So...

If you had a physical machine with 8GB RAM and installed 32-bit Windows XP
on it, would it be able to see all of the RAM? No, it would see just under
4GB of it, depending on the motherboard.

Similarly, if you created a virtual machine and assigned it more than 4GB of
your host's 8GB RAM, would 32-bit Windows XP be able to see all of it? No it
wouldn't, as above.

This is not a limitation or problem with Virtual PC - it is simply that 4GB
is the maximum amount of RAM which a 32-bit operating system can address.

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Bo Berglund  
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 More options Jul 23, 10:05 am
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From: Bo Berglund <bo.bergl...@telia.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:05:27 +0200
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:05 am
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:42:28 +0100, "Ron O'Brien"

<castc...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>I have a new PC with 64bit Vista Ultimate and 8gig RAM which I was hoping
>would speed up HD digital video editing, but my software application will
>not run under Vista, so I'm thinking use Virtual PC.

>The problem, I only have 32bit XP pro, but if That is installed as a virtual
>set-up on the 64bit Vista Host, will it then be able to take advantage of
>the 8gig of RAM or will it still max out at just under 4gig?

Even if you hade access to XP-ProX64 it would not help since VPC2007
guests are 32 bit PC:s and so can only install 32 bit Operating
systems. So your 8Gb memory will not be usable for a guest, only about
3 Gb.

There is another problem too:
Since you talk about video editing I suspect that you will not find
the emulated video card available in a virtual machine useful for your
purposes. It is a Trio 64 card with only limited amounts of memory
(4-8 Mb if my memory serves me right) and it cannot handle DirectX 9
or higher...


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Ron O'Brien  
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 More options Jul 23, 10:11 am
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From: "Ron O'Brien" <castc...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:11:46 +0100
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:11 am
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP
Mark, Bo

Thanks for your input....I thought it was too good to be true!!! nice idea
though

Ron


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Mark Rae [MVP]  
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 More options Jul 23, 10:49 am
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From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <m...@markNOSPAMrae.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:49:17 +0100
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 10:49 am
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP
"Ron O'Brien" <castc...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

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> Thanks for your input....I thought it was too good to be true!!! nice idea
> though

FWIW, VMWare supports 64-bit guests "right of the box", as some people say.
So does / will Hyper-V...

However, that still won't allow a 32-bit OS to address more than 4GB RAM...

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Colin Barnhorst  
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 More options Jul 23, 6:50 pm
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From: "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnho...@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:50:45 -0600
Local: Wed, Jul 23 2008 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP
"Ron O'Brien" <castc...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

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>I have a new PC with 64bit Vista Ultimate and 8gig RAM which I was hoping
>would speed up HD digital video editing, but my software application will
>not run under Vista, so I'm thinking use Virtual PC.

> The problem, I only have 32bit XP pro, but if That is installed as a
> virtual set-up on the 64bit Vista Host, will it then be able to take
> advantage of the 8gig of RAM or will it still max out at just under 4gig?

> --
> Ron

The maximum you can allocate to a VPC guest is 3.712 GB.  It is set in VPC
itself.

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David Wilkinson  
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 More options Jul 24, 6:19 am
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From: David Wilkinson <no-re...@effisols.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:19:25 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 6:19 am
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP

Ron O'Brien wrote:
> I have a new PC with 64bit Vista Ultimate and 8gig RAM which I was
> hoping would speed up HD digital video editing, but my software
> application will not run under Vista, so I'm thinking use Virtual PC.

> The problem, I only have 32bit XP pro, but if That is installed as a
> virtual set-up on the 64bit Vista Host, will it then be able to take
> advantage of the 8gig of RAM or will it still max out at just under 4gig?

Ron:

Would you consider getting hold of a copy a XP x64 and multi-booting your machine?

If you want to multi-boot, I highly recommend BootIt NG (BING) from
terabyteunlimited.com.

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David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP


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Ron O'Brien  
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 More options Jul 24, 1:05 pm
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From: "Ron O'Brien" <castc...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:05:51 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP

"David Wilkinson" <no-re...@effisols.com> wrote in message

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> Ron:

> Would you consider getting hold of a copy a XP x64 and multi-booting your
> machine?

> If you want to multi-boot, I highly recommend BootIt NG (BING) from
> terabyteunlimited.com.

> --
> David Wilkinson
> Visual C++ MVP

Looks like that's my only option, though I must consider how much the 64bit
XP is going to cost me - shame they didn't do 32 & 64 bit on the same disk
like they have with Vista!

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Bill Grant  
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 More options Jul 24, 7:05 pm
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From: "Bill Grant" <not.available@online>
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:05:45 +1000
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP

"Ron O'Brien" <castc...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

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   Where did you see both 32 and 64 bit Vista on the same disk? Most retail
versions are 32 bit only. Ultimate has 32 and 64 bit, but on two disks in
one container.

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Ron O'Brien  
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 More options Aug 4, 10:46 am
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From: "Ron O'Brien" <castc...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:46:50 +0100
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 10:46 am
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP

"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message

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>   Where did you see both 32 and 64 bit Vista on the same disk? Most retail
> versions are 32 bit only. Ultimate has 32 and 64 bit, but on two disks in
> one container.

Yes, I stand corrected, I meant same box

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Mark Rae [MVP]  
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 More options Aug 4, 11:15 am
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From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <m...@markNOSPAMrae.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:15:09 +0100
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 11:15 am
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP
"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message

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> Where did you see both 32 and 64 bit Vista on the same disk?

FWIW, most (it not all) MSDN / TechNet OS DVDs have both 32-bit and 64-bit
versions on the same disk...

> Most retail versions are 32 bit only.

That's certainly true.

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Bo Berglund  
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 More options Aug 4, 12:03 pm
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From: Bo Berglund <bo.bergl...@telia.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:03:42 +0200
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: 64bit Vista & 32bit XP
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:15:09 +0100, "Mark Rae [MVP]"

<m...@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote:
>"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
>news:evqDMHe7IHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Where did you see both 32 and 64 bit Vista on the same disk?

>FWIW, most (it not all) MSDN / TechNet OS DVDs have both 32-bit and 64-bit
>versions on the same disk...

But then they cannot be bootable DVD:s, can they?
Which system should they boot up to?

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