Seriously OT
Kevin Provance
for any length of time?
- Kev
Mike D Sutton
> for any length of time?
Very off topic, but yes, I'm from the UK.
Mike
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> I'm merely curious: Is anyone else here British,
> or lived in Great Britian for any length of time?
Yes. I'm British.
Mike
TedF
British schools.
They don't know what bloody b@stard is in the US.
They would say "where the hell you come from" ?
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Steve Barnett
English; Welsh, Scottish or Irish is Ok, but not English, so I guess I'm
British after all. Learn something new every day.
Steve
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J French
I'm British - just North of London
NickHK
NickHK
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Dave
For Americans and other aliens, Surrey is the county to the south west of
London.
Dave O.
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David J Mark
time.) HTH.
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Tony Spratt
Mark me down as playing for the home team.
Tony Spratt
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> Tony said I can't be English;
No I bloody well didn't! Or are you referring to our esteemed leader*?
* "esteemed leader" is what you have to type if you don't think "lying
wanker" will get through the filters.
S. I. Becker
Disgusted that I can't be English, that is...
Stewart
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Steve Barnett
"Esteemed leader"... humm... not a term I've ever used for Tony... though
your alternate definition is probably closer to the mark.
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TedF
crowned. I guess as long they are triple E then it doesn't
matter. She should go around topless.
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Ralph
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No problem. "She" can't ever be 'crowned' Queen - no where near any line of
succession. (Well I guess after a major distaster and only a couple of
people are left...)
It is kind of a shame that one's physical features should play such a
shallow role in most people's minds. At least this one has a sense of the
Honor and Duties of the position. The 'pretty one' acted like a grade-b
hooker that had won a lottery ticket.
And that is the personal opinion of one who has absolutely no cause or
reason for an opinion on the subject at all. <g>
-ralph
TedF
> shallow role in most people's minds.
That is all they talk about in the US now.
They just wonder why prince Charles selected her, she
seems to be much older than him.
For now, that is all we can see. I am pretty sure their
opinion will change once she becomes more active
and more in the news.
>The 'pretty one' acted like a grade-b hooker
She forgot she was married to a celebrity and a royalty,
where the world faithful and under my thumb doesn't exist.
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Ralph
You are correct that her looks appear to be "That is all they talk about in
the US now." But appreciate that that view is coming from a dominant media
that only reflects the views of less than half of the citizens.
IMHO it is to her credit that is 'all' they can come up with. Of course,
please appreciate, that over here such criticism comes from people who
supposedly disdain royalty in any quise, but would crawl naked through a
briar patch for the opportunity to place their noses in the dark regions of
a Kennedy. <g>
-ralph
Gman
noticed that much discussion of it at all - although I find the monarchy
in general to be an incredibly tedious discussion. (FWIW I actually
support having a sovereign as our nominal "premier leader" purely
because I think it's cheaper (possibly revenue generating) and less open
to abuse than a presidential style system - a la France, Italy and
indeed the US. The monarch (nowadays at least) is, paradoxically, both
all powerful and powerless i.e. their power is virtually non-existant
unless there is a constitutional crisis - in which case....um who knows
what would happen. Something or other I'm sure.)
All this not withstanding, the general impression I get in the US is
that people like Camilla -- indeed CPB was selected by ABC's Barbara
Walters as, albeit probably one of the most pointless accolades of all
time, Most Fascinating Person 2005.
And there's only one year age difference between the two of them.
Oh - and were it not for CPB there would have been no Camilla-gate
tapes. And that would have been a terrific shame.
Tony Proctor
I'm English and work for a British company. Our R&D is in Britain. Most of
our sales and support offices are in the US though.... but I'm a lone
developer working remotely from the Republic of Ireland. Can you hear the
rain lashing again my windows here? :-)
Tony Proctor
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TedF
The Media liked the first one because she was better
looking, that is why they made her so popular.
Bush refused to meet with Yasser Arafat because he was ugly,
and didn't wear a suit.
Amazingly most of our senates and congressmen are handsome,
and have hair. Gore lost the race because his sticking out tooth.
Dove made Bush senior win because he was considered very
good looking by women voters.
Ugly ones are avoided by the media and never get famous,
even if they are better.
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Gman
couldn't find any nice clear, colo(u)r ones.
Galen Somerville
but of course it's been touched up a bit.
Galen
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Kevin Provance
Well, it amounts to this:
One of my parents is British and I grew up with all the British nicities
that Americans don't seem to care for. I deliberately kept the british
accent in high school because the gals seems to like it...but during college
it ended up being more of a hinderance and I actively worked to shed it.
So I was debating with this chap at one of local British style pubs who
insists it's the Americans who have the accent and spell words incorrectly.
I never gave much thought to it because I was born and raised in America
with both cultures prominate in my life. So my question to the native
British gents is: Who really has the accent?
Again, toitally off topic and moot at best, but after engaging in that
rather lengthy conversation, I thought I would get some other opinions,
mostly those of native British origin. Truth is I don't know very many
people in real life as I keep pretty much to myself and thought I would ask
around here...where there seems to be more intelligent folk than not.
That's all.
- Kev
Robin
> So I was debating with this chap at one of local British style pubs who
> insists it's the Americans who have the accent and spell words incorrectly.
> I never gave much thought to it because I was born and raised in America
> with both cultures prominate in my life. So my question to the native
> British gents is: Who really has the accent?
Easy, both of you do. It is Australians who speak correctly :-)
--
Robin.
<disclaimer> Not an expert </disclaimer>
Kevin Provance
touche! <g>
- Kev
TedF
instead of hamburger.
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TedF
> insists it's the Americans who have the accent and spell words
> incorrectly.
Everybody have an accent except Californian, or I would
say Western US.
If you go downtown London to the vegetable market, then
you would see how acute the cockney accent is.
There are many accents in England.
I was watching an Australian movie the other day, they
were using street language, I couldn't understand 50% of
what they said.
The best you can do is take an English class by a real
English teacher in England, and you will see how off the US is.
I did and I enjoyed it, but it was in a British Embassy.
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Robin
> You guys eat lobstah instead of lobster, and hamburgah
> instead of hamburger.
What can I say, the letter 'R' is over rated <g>
Or should that be:
The Letta 'ah' is ovahrated
(yes, we would pronounce that one r in the middle)
TedF
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Gman
beauty. People here sure aren't very forgiving.
Now... where did I put my Nip / Tuck DVD....
Mike Williams
> Hmmm... well as an Englishman living in the US [snip]
> I support having a sovereign as our nominal "premier
> leader" purely because I think it's cheaper (possibly
> revenue generating) and less open to abuse than a
> presidential style system - a la France, Italy and indeed the US.
As an Englishman living in England I really can't see the need for the
"royal family" at all. As far as I'm concerned the sooner they get rid of
them the better. And I really can't understand why people ask questions
like, "if they went what would replace them"? The simple fact is that they
don't need to be replaced. Just dump them and carry on as though they had
never existed.
Mike
TedF
and the congress here in the US.
They messed up big time this time, the people don't like the
government, they are slowly going towards the rich and companies,
stepping over the little guy.
They are all on it together.
The people are fed up, one day they are going to explode.
Remember current elected president is nothing but a punk,
and a big time heist.
I would rather have a royalty than a punk.
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Steve Barnett
properly - the Brits were around before the Yanks and, since we gave you the
language, you must have screwed it up. That said, I'm from Birmingham and
have the most despised accent in the UK, so what do I know.
By the way it can't the colonies (Australia) as all we gave them were
illiterate convicts, so they can't be right about anything <BG>. Can't think
why they don't like us much.
Steve
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> So my question to the native British gents is:
> Who really has the accent?
I'm English and have always lived in England and I've always been a bit
fascinated by different accents. I often wonder if people in other countries
attach as much importance to them as we do over here. I'd love to know what
the situation is in America, for example. Here in Great Britain in many
walks of life (solicitors, bankers, senior managerial staff, doctors,
consultant surgeons, Army officers, higher educational establishments and
lots of others) anyone who does not speak in what many people call an "upper
crust" accent typical of the royal family is frowned upon, and is routinely
discriminated against in all manner of ways. For example, I spent nine years
serving in the British Army and in all that time (with the odd exception) I
never met a single commissioned officer (Lieutenant, Caption, Major etc
upwards) that did not speak with the same "upper crust" accent as the royal
family. In contrast, I never met a single "other rank" (as they are called
over here, such as Private, Corporal, Sergeant etc) that did speak with such
an accent! There were a few exceptions - but those exceptions themselves
followed the same basic principles of prejudice. For example, if an "other
rank" served for a period of twenty years or more in a job that actually was
a job (such as "working in the stores" or "working in the garage") and he
eventually rose to the rank of "Colour Sergeant" and "kept his nose clean
for all that time" then he would often be rewarded by being promotod to the
lowest available rank of commissioned officer (Lieutenant) and would be
allowed to serve out his remaining few years (in the same job!) as an
officer. The situation was slightly different in one or two "specialist"
regiments (The Royal Signals, for example, who deal with highly technical
matters). In those regiments (where by and large officers have to actually
know what they are doing!) the practice is not followed to the same extent.
I know that some people will argue that in general people who "go to the
best schools" get the best education, and that therefore those people (who
invariably speak with an "upper crust" accent) will probably end up in the
top jobs, but that merely proves that the educational system is itself
corrupted in the same way, and it reinforces the "class divide" that exists
here. Also, whereas people who "go to the best schools" certainly do have
access to a good education, that fact alone doesn't mean that they actually
used that facility! Many people who "come out of the best schools" are of
only average intelligence (or perhaps a little more) and have not made the
most of the education facilities, whereas many other people who did not go
to such schools are extremely intelligent and extremely well educated. But
the class system here in England ensures that by and large "the people with
the posh accent" will get the best jobs and will be accepted into the "Army
officer class"!
I live in a little place called Ormskirk (which is about 15 miles from
Liverpoool) and I was brought up in Liverpool. I talk with a Liverpool
accent (a "scouse accent", as it is called here). Most of the other people
in Ormskirk talk with a completely different accent. It sounds quite
different and many of the words and phrases they use are not understood in
Liverpool (and vice versa). About eight miles further up the road is a
little town called Wigan. In Wigan they speak with another completely
different accent. That's three completely different sounding accents in a
very small area. We can of course understand each other almost all of the
time, but occasionally when someone "drifts strongly into the vernacular" he
or she will say one or two short specific phrases that are simply not
understood at all by the other people!
Does this sort of thing happen in America? And does a similar "class system"
exist there (even though the authorities will of course say that it
doesn't). I don't mean the obvious and rather nasty class system that
existed in America some time ago (and possibly still does to a certain
extent) and which was based on racial appearance and colour in a way that
really should not be tolerated in a civilised society. That sort of
prejudice is extremely nasty. I mean a class system based on "the way people
talk", so that two people of virtually identical appearance will be treated
quite different because of their accent? Does such a system exist in
America?
Mike
Tony Spratt
To find out who has the accent, listen to an American who has lived in the
UK for five years speak: he will still sound like a Yank, because his accent
is dominant. Listen to an Englishman who has lived in America for five years
and you'll hear a definite change in his accent - more mid-Atlantic than
English. Therefore American English is the most heavily accented. So there.
As for spelling, apart from some quirks of American English, most of the
words and spellings we Brits complain about in your version of the language
are actually ours originally and we just forgot about them while you kept
them. But you will never, ever be forgiven for leaving the "u" out of
"colour", "humour" etc.
Tony Spratt
> Lucky you are not Scottish, they eat lobsterrr.
Lucky he's not Welsh - they eat llllllllllllllllobster.
Dave
> insists it's the Americans who have the accent and spell words
> incorrectly. I never gave much thought to it because I was born and raised
> in America with both cultures prominate in my life. So my question to the
> native British gents is: Who really has the accent?
No individual has an accent, everybody else does. It's a matter of
perspective.
Dave O.
Dave
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Tony Proctor
differences. Unfortunately, I got a little unpopular in a previous company
because I refused to write documentation (incl help and error messages) in
"US English". I'm British, and I only know "the Queen's English".
Compounding this lack of popularity was a naive assumption amongst some
colleagues that it was merely a matter of spelling, and that the text could
be converted automatically. Well, I can tell you this isn't true. Not only
do Americans phrase their sentences differently, but they also use
alternative words to Brits. Also, they're less tolerant/aware of those
alternative words than we Brits are (no offence intended). For instance, if
an American goes into a British train station and asks for a 'schedule' then
they'll get one, but if a Brit goes into an American train station and asks
for a 'timetable' then their chances are not so good. :-)
Tony Proctor
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Jan Hyde
<tony_proctor@aimtechnology_NoMoreSPAM_.com>'s wild thoughts
were released on Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:20:41 -0000 bearing the
following fruit:
>I'm using to working with US guys, so I'm aware of cultural and language
>differences. Unfortunately, I got a little unpopular in a previous company
>because I refused to write documentation (incl help and error messages) in
>"US English". I'm British, and I only know "the Queen's English".
>Compounding this lack of popularity was a naive assumption amongst some
>colleagues that it was merely a matter of spelling, and that the text could
>be converted automatically. Well, I can tell you this isn't true. Not only
>do Americans phrase their sentences differently, but they also use
>alternative words to Brits. Also, they're less tolerant/aware of those
>alternative words than we Brits are (no offence intended). For instance, if
>an American goes into a British train station and asks for a 'schedule' then
>they'll get one, but if a Brit goes into an American train station and asks
>for a 'timetable' then their chances are not so good. :-)
>
> Tony Proctor
Being a Cumbrian living in Yorkshire I've been told I have
quite an accent. When we visited the US, Americans quickly
picked up that we were not American. Every one of them
concluded we were Canadian. It sure feels sometimes that
they think there are only two countries.
J
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>> > I'm curious as to why you ask the question Kevin.
>>
>> Well, it amounts to this:
>>
>> One of my parents is British and I grew up with all the British nicities
>> that Americans don't seem to care for. I deliberately kept the british
>> accent in high school because the gals seems to like it...but during
>college
>> it ended up being more of a hinderance and I actively worked to shed it.
>>
>> So I was debating with this chap at one of local British style pubs who
>> insists it's the Americans who have the accent and spell words
>incorrectly.
>> I never gave much thought to it because I was born and raised in America
>> with both cultures prominate in my life. So my question to the native
>> British gents is: Who really has the accent?
>>
>> Again, toitally off topic and moot at best, but after engaging in that
>> rather lengthy conversation, I thought I would get some other opinions,
>> mostly those of native British origin. Truth is I don't know very many
>> people in real life as I keep pretty much to myself and thought I would
>ask
>> around here...where there seems to be more intelligent folk than not.
>>
>> That's all.
>>
>> - Kev
>>
>>
>
Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
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Jim Mack
> "Kevin Provance" <ca...@tpasoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>> So my question to the native British gents is:
>> Who really has the accent?
>
> I'm English and have always lived in England and I've always been a
> bit fascinated by different accents. I often wonder if people in
> other countries attach as much importance to them as we do over here.
We do have regional accents in the US, and we definitely have a class system, but the two aren't as connected as they appear to be in the UK. Here 'class' is (deplorably) much more connected to 'race' than to anything else.
There's less overall variation in accent here. I still recall a short stay near Oxford, where I had no trouble getting by, then encountering folks with strong northern accents. It truly sounded like a different language. Here we have almost no impenetrable accents -- someone from Maine and someone from Arkansas each have recognizable, and sometimes difficult, accents, but they'd have no real trouble communicating. And there are very few regionalisms that would get in the way.
We do have a growing Hispanic subculture that speaks a blend of Spanish and English that's sometimes called (no surprise) Spanglish. The amount of each in the mix varies by the minute and with the speaker.
Speaking of race, and I'm sure you see the same phenomenon there, there can be a reverse cultural bias among people of color against 'speaking white'. It can be seen as a betrayal of the group to speak or write what we call Standard English.
Fascinating topics -- but probably not good for this group and sorry for continuing the drift.
--
Jim
Ralph
I wonder how much your bar conversation actually dwelled on "Accents" as
opposed to "Standards" and "Usage", as you also touched on spellings.
Pick-up Bill Bryson's book - "The Mother Tongue:..." I believe you will
really enjoy it (and likely several of his others as well.), plus you will
be remarkedly well-armed should you ever get into a similar discussion
again. Especially if you include other Americans, as they are (thanks to
modern liberal educations)woefully ill-informed. <g>
Can't remember if Bryson stresses it in his book, but one of the most
interesting things about "American English" is that "Americans" aren't
"English". If you look at the so called 'white americans', they are
predominately German and Eastern Europeans (60%+), with the rest being
Irish, Italians, etc. After the British had to take a second beating in 1812
<g>, very few of the 'British' ever immigrated to the United States, yet we
maintain strong tranditional and cultural ties to "a" mother country.
The remarkable thing about American and British speakers is that we even
speak a language so incredibly similar.
-ralph
Gman
drain on public taxes, people of little merit receiving public money
just for "being". I certainly feel no loyalty towards them, the golden
jubilee etc.... big yawn -- who cares!??!
Then I looked at Australia and was AMAZED that they decided to keep the
queen as their monarch - rather than move to a presidential style
system. I couldn't believe it and wondered why - and it hit me.
Sure, if you could get rid of the monarchy and that would be it then
great: get all that cash back. But that, at least as I understand it,
ain't a possibility. No one has a system (quite ready to be proved wrong
here) where there's just a prime minister. Republics always have a
president too - I would imagine this is because some stability is
required should a parliament not be formed - however unlikely - due to a
complete split of the vote. And for other reasons besides. (I note
though that presidents have varying degrees of power in different
countries - Italy's Ciampi never (or rarely) stood up to Berlusconi on
his media interests for example.)
Therefore, if we're just gonna have parliament - HoC - (and hopefully a
fully elected higher house) then count me as an anti-royalist. But if we
have to have a president... with the drain on taxes that these prove to
be, more elections etc. meanwhile losing the revenue generation from all
these people that flock to London just to get a taste of royalty then...
grudgingly... I concede that royalty ain't too bad. Just don't plaster
them over the newspapers every time Harry lassos a horse in Australia or
CPB wears a dress that clashes with her shoes.
Darn.... this is OT......
Gman
Any formal invitation in the US for example would spell honour with a u
rather than without - evn though MS Word would flag it as incorrect.
Gman
My own experience is that there certainly is a class system in the US.
It's just less associated with plummy accents or "estuary English" and
more with wealth (perceived or actual). Thus it's less historical than
the British version but it's there nonetheless. Maybe less so in small
towns where everyone knows everyone else and gets on great but certainly
in large, affluent cities. There's a racial element to it but (in my
view) this is mainly because wealth is disproportionately distributed
across ethnic groups.
I would like to think that in both the UK and US this is dwindling --
but suspect I may be wrong. (OK - this is off topic in the extreme so I
won't share all my UK/US comparisons. Since moving to the US I've really
had my eyes opened as to how things really work here e.g. how public
schools are funded... it's most "surprising" to a european -- maybe I'll
save it for my book.)
Kevin Provance
Most Americans asked for a "skedule", most Brits I've encountered say
"shedule". I've not heard "timetable" before, but it's all fascinating
nonetheless.
- Kev
Kevin Provance
a few more bucks left on my x-mas gift certificate to chew through. <g>
- Kev
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TedF
country accent, western accent, black people accent,
Newyork accent, Boston accent.
Each state has it highs and lows, in the capitals they
speak more clearly than in the country.
If you ever listen to Ted Kennedy and Bush's wife, you
can see two different southern accents.
If you live in the south long enough, you can tell where
each come from their accent.
The west has the least accent, or no accent, natives
speak plain straight forward English, even though
big portion of westerners come from all over the US
and the world.
I worked with a guy from Okalahoma for a short while,
he would tell me stories all day long. Got tired telling
him what and repeat that, so I just let him talk and
I go in another world.
Huge migration from all over the world coming to the US
from all over the world. Southern western states was
took over by the Far east, now the Mexicans flooding it.
Cubans flooding Florida, where you have to know multi
language to get a public job, plus everything have to be
in Spanish and English.
In Southern California, Spanish took every job that has
to do with labor, you can see the quality of work is
very bad. Whether you want to fix your car, paint
your house, or get served in a restaurant.
Un-educated Americans that seek labor work have to
leave California to make a living, or work for very
little wage and many hours, with no conditions, and
get discriminated by the Mexicans.
It is really getting out of hand, and the government
afraid from loosing votes, so they take no action.
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TedF
rid of the gh.
Do you ever hear about the Coors Lite beer ?
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TedF
> concluded we were Canadian. It sure feels sometimes that
> they think there are only two countries.
Americans are very bad detecting where you come from,
very bad in geography and world history.
if you are Italian Greek, Middle Eastern, Far east Indian,
are all the same to them, bunch of terrorists.:-) They don't
know the difference.
Unlike Europeans, Middle Easterner and the Far Easterner,
who have more knowledge of the world around them.
Some of Los Angeles natives don't know any further
than 10 miles from where they live, in addition to the
beaches, mountains, and attractions.
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Saga
I once heard a conversation of two people arguing whether a gaseous
refreshment should be called "soda" or "Pop"! As you said, fascinating!
(Chicago, IL area, US)
Saga
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TedF
Lots of back stabbing, discrimination, ganging up.
For example a black guy becomes a manager, the whole company
becomes black.
If a person is black, oriental, Middle Eastern, etc, they get
hired so the company wouldn't look as a discriminating company
plus the law try to enforce equal opportunity.
Majority of black people live in their own community, and
don't get your car broken down in their territory.
I was talking to a black guy recently, and asked him if
he ever went to Mammoth mountains(ski area), and
his answer was no. I was amazed that he didn't, but
remembered that these people are not welcome in white
people areas, and will get quite a bit of heat if they did.
In the military they all also gang up per their race.
Mostly Spanish, Blacks, Orientals and whites that discriminate
at each other. Middle Eastern people seem to blend in
where ever they go.
But there are many beautiful people in the US, which
makes this country so great, and make life here so acceptable.
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> After the British had to take a second beating in 1812
Actually from 1812 until early 1815 the Americans were taking a bit of a
battering from us, and for much of that time we were too busy fighting the
"Frenchies". Once we had sorted out Napolean and turned our full attention
to America again we should have won, and we probably would have done if the
British Army hadn't been led by typical British "upper crust toffs" who as
officers didn't have a clue what they were doing and who marched us is neat
lines across open country in face of the guns of "dug in" opposition ;-)
We were actually defeated by our own officers! Oh. And one other thing.
Apparently we forgot to bring ladders with us, so we couldn't scale your
embankments ;-)
http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html
By the way, I wish you'd have dumped all our tea in the ocean about forty
years earlier. You must have left us with some, because we Brits still seem
to have a taste for the stuff, horrible as it is!
Mike
Ken Halter
> It is whom you know, your color, race, that makes you in the US.
> Lots of back stabbing, discrimination, ganging up.
> For example a black guy becomes a manager, the whole company
> becomes black.
> If a person is black, oriental, Middle Eastern, etc, they get
> hired so the company wouldn't look as a discriminating company
> plus the law try to enforce equal opportunity.
> Majority of black people live in their own community, and
> don't get your car broken down in their territory.
> I was talking to a black guy recently, and asked him if
> he ever went to Mammoth mountains(ski area), and
> his answer was no. I was amazed that he didn't, but
> remembered that these people are not welcome in white
> people areas, and will get quite a bit of heat if they did.
Do you actually believe the tripe you post? or do you just make it up as you
go along. Oh yeah.... aren't you the "Bush is Hitler" guy?
I'm a white person, born and raised in the US and have zero interest in
Mammoth Mountians ski resort. Give me a freaking break. Just because I
happen to be white means I want to ski? Jeeez. Talk about racial
stereotypes. I live less than 2 miles from Disneyland too. It's been 25
years since I've been to Disneyland. I live less than 4 miles from Anaheim
Stadium. I loathe baseball. I live less than 4 miles from "the home of the
mighty ducks", loathe hockey. What does that mean? I'm a white guy that
couldn't care less if "Sports" went the way of the dinosaur all together and
forever, I hate beer and have never gone to a bar. Am I un-american? I don't
think so.
...and, not only "did I talk to a black guy recently" but the best friend I
have in life is a "black guy"... and, what do you know, I have a few Mexican
friends, a few Vietnamese friends, one or two from Lebanon, another from
England and another from China. Who cares where they're from?
The only people I discriminate against are those that picked their own
parents. Since I know of no one that claims to have done so, I don't judge
them based on their color/religion/etc.
Sounds like the whole world thinks "Big Bad US is doing everyone in the
world harm"... guess what. Every single person living in the US, with the
exception of the American Indians, came from somewhere else. Mostly Europe.
That means, the people here are >exactly< like the people in Europe.
There are neighborhoods here in SoCal where you wouldn't want to break down.
So what?! No such neighborhoods where you live? BS.... and "black people"
don't play golf either, right?
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I lived in West Los Angeles for 26 years, there is a small
city called Westwood village. Great place to get a good dinner,
see a movie, walk around, eat a sandwich, or go to a night
club or bar. Great place for all ages but mostly for the young.
Late eighties black people started coming in, took over
the village for years, then gun shooting, and crime went
up in that area. The police started cleaning the area
getting rid of the black people.
Now the village is mostly for teenagers, mostly white,
very boring with empty streets, and many shops went
out of business.
The same would happen to Mammoth if the whites welcome
the blacks.
Unlike small downtown San Francisco, where there are bars
and restaurants strictly black, and vice versa.
But if there are lots of blacks in San Francisco then it could
be different.
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TedF
I also just called him a punk in this thread.
I also called him a Zionist Nazi, pretty hypocrite calling isn't it ?
But Ken if you go to Mammoth, and put yourself in a
black man shoe, you will see that you are discouraged
from visiting Mammoth.
BTW: I normally go to Mammoth in the summer, not a ski guy
either.
You didn't read the last paragraph of my message.
I live in West Los Angles, and what I see here is much different
than living in Anaheim.
I also lived in Norwalk, Whittier, south and north San Diego, Newport beach.
And I also mistakenly went to black bars by mistake and almost
got killed.
If you go to Ladera Heights for example, you would see
a sign in shops that says "Black Owned".
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> I'm a white person, born and raised in the US and have zero
> interest in Mammoth Mountians ski resort. I live less than 2
> miles from Disneyland too. It's been 25 years since I've been
> to Disneyland. I live less than 4 miles from Anaheim Stadium.
> I loathe baseball. I live less than 4 miles from "the home of the mighty
> ducks", loathe hockey. I hate beer and have never gone
> to a bar. Am I un-american?
Gotta say that I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding the skiing and
Disneyland and baseball. In fact I agree with you regarding all sports,
including cricket and English football. But come on, Ken . . . beer! Surely
you must like beer ;-)
How about a shandy then? Just about half beer and half lemonade. Surely that
goes down well with you on a hot Florida day :-)
By the way, how about whisky and Coke®?
Mike
TedF
I learned that Scottish on the rocks is the best.
Whiskey and coke give sugar rushes.
Vodka and orange juice give you heart burns.
Beer make the belly bigger.
Arak and Tequila makes you horney.
Never got a blast from wine, but never turn it down,
in the work Christmas dinner party I had two glasses
going, one was wine the other was Scottish.
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Kevin Provance
I asked a cultural question and a simple one at that because I was under the
assumption that we were mature enough to police ourselves. Had I thought
that it would turn into a thread about picking on races, Id'a kept the
question to myself. Maybe next time I will think twice.
I am so terrible sorry that this turned into something ugly. I'll not ask
such OT questions again.
Regretfully,
- Kev
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TedF
Like I said, there are many beautiful people
in this country, race will always be a problem, but much
less now than it was.
Unfortunately there are radicals, extremist and racist,
which makes life look so different.
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Saga
And if anyone speaks Spanish, they must be Spanish ;-)
Actually, just to correct another of your posts, a Spanish
person is some that comes from Spain. A Spanish speaking
person is usually referred to as a Latino or Hispanic (whatever
the difference is between these - beats me!)
I think each race has its "dirty laundry" and unfortunately, all
it takes is a few of them to ruin it for everyone. Although not
right, each race has a certain degree of racism and I believe the
more hermetic people are, the more this tends to be true. It
is up to all to look beyond those 10 miles as you mention so that
we can better understand what is around us and be able to deal
with it in a more tolerant and empathic way.
FWIW, as off topic as this thread is, it is very interesting!
Saga
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Veign
favor and don't bother responding to him even though its tough not too when
his posts are so.....whats a good word for them........ugly.
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"Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ken Halter
>
> Gotta say that I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding the skiing and
> Disneyland and baseball. In fact I agree with you regarding all sports,
> including cricket and English football. But come on, Ken . . . beer!
> Surely you must like beer ;-)
>
> How about a shandy then? Just about half beer and half lemonade. Surely
> that goes down well with you on a hot Florida day :-)
>
> By the way, how about whisky and Coke®?
>
> Mike
LOL.... sorry... no beer here <g> The one and only drink I like.... and
probably only once a year is.... good old Margarita's... and then only if
it's extremely good Tequila.
My dislike for beer started lonnnnng ago. I drank it once, got sick and
ended up hugging a toilet all night (which wasn't nearly as warm and cute as
the date I came to the party with <g>). That memory is enough to make me
never want a beer again... also enough to hand out gum when people start
walking/talking around me that have beer breath.
Ralph
> Um....look, I didn't mean for this to become some kind of propoganda
thread.
> I asked a cultural question and a simple one at that because I was under
the
> assumption that we were mature enough to police ourselves. Had I thought
> that it would turn into a thread about picking on races, Id'a kept the
> question to myself. Maybe next time I will think twice.
>
> I am so terrible sorry that this turned into something ugly. I'll not ask
> such OT questions again.
>
> Regretfully,
>
> - Kev
>
Kev,
Unfortunately, in the states, EVERY "cultural" discussion now days is
quickly translated to a matter of 'race' by liberal ideologues. . It is a
device that works on multiple levels. The principle advantage is it allows
the invoker to place a 'higher-moral' stamp on his imput, and opens anyone
with an alternative view to a simple ad hominem attack. (dissenters are
obviously racist.)
The phenomena is identical to where a Marxist of the 30's would convert
everything into "class". And just as boorish after you have heard it for
about the zillith time. <g>
Please don't shy away from any discussion just because a american liberal
trys to play these games. It is just political "trolling". Ignore it.
-ralph
Ken Halter
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> Not even worth the effort to respond to TedF on anything. Do yourself a
> favor and don't bother responding to him even though its tough not too
> when his posts are so.....whats a good word for them........ugly.
>
> --
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You'd figure I'd know better by now, eh? <g> Seems that I'm a glutton for
punishment. Getting better though.
Veign
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"Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Saga
Ok, an OT on the OT...
What do you consider to be good Tequila. I don't do hardly any
drinking either, but we (spouse and I) do like a good Margarita,
but don't know much about this (it seems everytime we ask, we
get a different opinon). So if you can, please do share your opinion
on this <g>
Saga
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TedF
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TedF
Let us not start calling names because I am very
good at it.
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Ralph
"Mike Williams" <Mi...@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message
LOL
Mike,
I am well aware of the 'realities' of what we call the "War of 1812", and
who was stomping who. <g> It is probably the classic example of a fight
where each side immediately asked themselves - "What the hell are we doing,
we got enough trouble as it is?" <g>
While, the roots of its beginnings are so trivial compared to most wars, the
results were so amazingly beneficial to both sides. A very, very, uncommon
phenomena. The US gained a little world-wide respect, the feeling it was a
'entity' and not a 'collection', and guaranteed soveigventy. The British
gained the permanent security of Canada and of the Atlantic (their
backside), and no worries we were going to jump into any European alliances.
As for 'tea'. I always thought I enjoyed a good cup now and then - good old
Lipton. Until I fell in with a group of Brits who showed me what real 'tea'
is all about. Apparently I only enjoy a warm cup of colored water. <g>
-ralph
YYZ
has/is/and probably will continue to post stuff like this. I really
enjoyed hearing where everyone is from, and also the little insights
into the differences in culture. I am normally pretty good about
guessing where the posters are from, and every once in a while I get a
huge surprise. It adds a personal element to these groups that I find
very comforting.
Matt
Stefan Berglund
in <OqD$bFuFG...@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>
>
>And if anyone speaks Spanish, they must be Spanish ;-)
>
>Actually, just to correct another of your posts, a Spanish
>person is some that comes from Spain. A Spanish speaking
>person is usually referred to as a Latino or Hispanic (whatever
>the difference is between these - beats me!)
>
>I think each race has its "dirty laundry" and unfortunately, all
>it takes is a few of them to ruin it for everyone. Although not
>right, each race has a certain degree of racism and I believe the
>more hermetic people are, the more this tends to be true. It
>is up to all to look beyond those 10 miles as you mention so that
>we can better understand what is around us and be able to deal
>with it in a more tolerant and empathic way.
>
>FWIW, as off topic as this thread is, it is very interesting!
>
>Saga
AMEN. And thank you.
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Ken Halter
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>
> Ok, an OT on the OT...
>
> What do you consider to be good Tequila. I don't do hardly any
> drinking either, but we (spouse and I) do like a good Margarita,
> but don't know much about this (it seems everytime we ask, we
> get a different opinon). So if you can, please do share your opinion
> on this <g>
>
> Saga
Cuervo Gold or better... you can't go wrong with any of these either....
especially the 3 to the left.
Sauza
http://www.sauzatequila.com/index.asp
fwiw, searching for the link above, I was amazed to find the number of sites
"dedicated to the enjoyment of Tequila" <g> There are *a bunch* of Tequila
drinkers out there, it seems <g>
fwiw, I went to a resturant once where they had literally dozens of types,
ranging from the "run of the mill" to 50 dollars a shot. 50 bucks? for a
shot of Tequila (or anything else, for that matter)? No way <g> Not me.
Heck... that can buy a new ram chip or something! <g>
TedF
that hit the Brits when they took over Washington,
where the US were getting defeated if it wasn't for
the Hurricane.
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TedF
it was put up, don't always have the time.
"Veign" <NOSPAM...@veign.com> wrote in message
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TedF
will find better quality tequila.
I found Johnny Walker, blue Label, 40 year anniversary
for about $4400, compared to a regular blue label for $175.
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Saga
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Robin
>
> By the way it can't the colonies (Australia) as all we gave them were
> illiterate convicts, so they can't be right about anything <BG>. Can't think
> why they don't like us much.
>
Lol, yeah, we Aussies lucked out. Our ancestors inherited paradise for
us by pissing of the English and getting deported :-)
We have (generally) kept the same spelling and words as the Poms, but
culture is slowly turning towards the US style.
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"Saga" <anti...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>
Robin
> Then I looked at Australia and was AMAZED that they decided to keep the
> queen as their monarch - rather than move to a presidential style
> system. I couldn't believe it and wondered why - and it hit me.
We didn't chose to KEEP the monarchy, we just decided in a very
Australian way that we couldn't be buggered changing :-)
"Yeah! Lets be a Republic!... Right after I have this beer...."
While very few here see any point in the queen etc, we haven't been
suitably pissed off at anything to convince us to change. TO all
intensive purposes, Australia is left to self governance. The US
probably playes a much bigger part in policy etc then the UK.
Besides, if we got rid of the Monarchy, what would we replace it with? I
for one can't think of anyone I like enough to make them President...
Robin
> No individual has an accent, everybody else does. It's a matter of
> perspective.
>
> Dave O.
I do :-) (and damn proud of it) I learned that from trying to speak to
Americans and have them understand me. I got a lot of blank stares
until I learned to tone mine down.
Saga
Thanks, I'll have to read the labels on the bottle to see which comply
with your tip.
Saga
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Gman
I have zero knowledge of this!)
My take on it was (I think) the same as yours (and presumably the voters
on the day): the monarchy have bugger all to do with the day to day
running of the country, the current system works... so why mess with it?
The alternative is too much of an unknown -- and they *would* introduce
some form of head of state... we know they would).
Of course, President Kylie would be great - but she's needed in the UK.
Kevin Provance
of the regulars here and the last thing I wanted was to start trouble.
Negative rhetoric aside, I've quite enjoyed reading the responses from this
thread. Like yourself, it's nice to read and understand a little more about
my peers in the development community, the people behind the code...and
although I may not be a social butterfly in real life, I really enjoy
observing people and their behaviours, habits, etc.
It'd be nice to have a nice OT chat from time to time. :)
- Kev
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Kevin Provance
British Car Club here in Sarasota, Florida...and for all intents and
purposes, my DeLorean is considered a British car (there really isn't an
Irish car club to be found)) is to ask them to reproduce various American
accents. The one chap I usually hang out with is a good sport...he tries
his best to do a thick New York type accent...and never quite gets it right.
He usually has the lot of in stitches. <g>
- Kev
"Robin" <Robin@.com> wrote in message
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Robin
> I didn't quite see it entirely as apathy. (I'm not contradicting you --
> I have zero knowledge of this!)
No probs :-)
> My take on it was (I think) the same as yours (and presumably the voters
> on the day): the monarchy have bugger all to do with the day to day
> running of the country, the current system works... so why mess with it?
> The alternative is too much of an unknown -- and they *would* introduce
> some form of head of state... we know they would).
You are right, that is definatly a big part too. Well said actually.
Especially the part: "the current system works... so why mess with it?".
I know I for one saw the whole argument to being a republic as "because
we should".
Gman
all... but just to straighten that out:
The DeLorean *is* a British car - it was made in Northern Ireland. It's
more American than Irish (since JOhn DeLorean was American). Northen
Ireland is part of the United Kingdom -- just like Scotland.... just
like Wales. (I'm not casting a view on the rights and wrongs of Northern
Ireland being British - I'm just saying how it is right now.)
Now... if you want to get confused: Northern Island isn't (as I
understand it) part of Great Britain. And that's why on a UK passport is
says "United Kingdom on Great Britain and Northern Ireland". (Great
Britain refers, historically, to Scotland, Wales and England whilst
before Scotland "joined" we were merely Britain.)
Gman
those things last for ever!! :-)
[For those who haven't had the pleasure of visiting Australia, their
money kicks ass. It's some sort of paper thin, untearable, practically
indestructable plastic. I pine for it every time I'm trying to separate
a wad of crumpled dollar bills into different denominations - no fun in
the back of a cab after a few drinks...]
Robin
> And imagine the cost of replacing all those Australian dollar bills -
> those things last for ever!! :-)
>
> [For those who haven't had the pleasure of visiting Australia, their
> money kicks ass. It's some sort of paper thin, untearable, practically
> indestructable plastic. I pine for it every time I'm trying to separate
> a wad of crumpled dollar bills into different denominations - no fun in
> the back of a cab after a few drinks...]
>
All notes being different sizes and colours is really helpful too. US
'Bills' took me some tome to get used to (what happens if they go
through the washing machine?). Everyone it seemed loved our 50c pieces
too. Normally because of their sheer size I believe.
Who would we put on our money without the queen.... David Boon gets my
vote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boon), our Keg on legs
consuming 52 cans of beer on a flight between London and Sydney in 1989 :-)
Robin
> And imagine the cost of replacing all those Australian dollar bills -
> those things last for ever!! :-)
>
> [For those who haven't had the pleasure of visiting Australia, their
> money kicks ass. It's some sort of paper thin, untearable, practically
> indestructable plastic. I pine for it every time I'm trying to separate
> a wad of crumpled dollar bills into different denominations - no fun in
> the back of a cab after a few drinks...]
>
All notes being different sizes and colours is really helpful too. US
'Bills' took me some tome to get used to (what happens if they go
through the washing machine?). Everyone it seemed loved our 50c pieces
too. Normally because of their sheer size I believe.
Who would we put on our money without the queen.... David Boon gets my
vote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boon), our Cricketing Keg on
legs consuming 52 cans of beer on a flight between London and Sydney in
1989 :-)
--
Gman
And there you were wondering who'd be a suitable presidential candidate!
Discussing cricket stars: I just tried to google a classic Shane Warne
one liner - about biscuits. But it turned out to be Zimbabwe's Eddo
Brandes. Still funny:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/funny_old_game/3068365.stm
TedF
with stainless steel body, and a Fiero design.
Santa Monica has a bunch English and Irish pubs.
McKenzie, Kings Head, forgot the name of other two
or more.
We go and eat fish and chips sometimes.
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Robin
> LOL. Fantastic!
>
> And there you were wondering who'd be a suitable presidential candidate!
LOL, your absolutly right!
> Discussing cricket stars: I just tried to google a classic Shane Warne
> one liner - about biscuits. But it turned out to be Zimbabwe's Eddo
> Brandes. Still funny:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/funny_old_game/3068365.stm
haha, hadn't heard those! Thanks for the link.
On that note, (I leave for Melbourne to see my first live Cricket game
tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing the Aussies dominate :-p If you
happen to spot a pack of tall aussies in hawian shirts, one of which is
tied to a blow up sheep, that is us! (My brothers bucks weekend).
Gman
it -- England's WC (football) qualifiers were USD26 a match on DirectTV
pay per view!
Kevin Provance
Lotus, actually. <g>
Michael Cole
>
> I once heard a conversation of two people arguing whether a gaseous
> refreshment should be called "soda" or "Pop"! As you said, fascinating!
Neither - it should be called a Soft Drink.
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Regards,
Michael Cole
Jan Hyde
thoughts were released on Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:39:29 -0800
bearing the following fruit:
<SNIP>
>I hate beer and have never gone to a bar.
OMG!
Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
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Darwinism: Survival of the fetus (Richard Lederer)
Steve Barnett
place now.
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Mike Williams
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> Lol, yeah, we Aussies lucked out. Our ancestors inherited
> paradise for us by pissing of the English and getting deported :-)
Yeah. I remember getting really annoyed a while ago when I applied online
for an Australian visa to visit my daughter (who emigrated there and lives
in Adelaide). Despite having a full British passport and a perfectly clean
"police record" my visa was refused. To add insult to injury, they still
took my application money anyway, and even informed me that if I applied
again I would still be refused and I would have to pay again! In the end it
turned out to be a technical hitch and they later gave me a visa. Apparently
my details were very similar to someone who was once prosecuted for theft.
That was the real bugger, and the thing that annoyed me most. They turned me
down because they thought I might have been a small time criminal, whereas
years ago to get to Australia being a criminal was a requirement!
Mike