E-Mail Clients in Windows 7
Mike Schumann
its propensity to corrupt its database if I let the files get to big.
I am planning to buy a new Windows 7 laptop this week. I understand that
Windows 7 doesn't include an e-mail client.
Any suggestions on what e-mail client I should use?
Thanks,
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Mike Easter
Presumably in a MS forum, the MS experts would recommend Windows Live
Essentials which includes live mail.
http://download.live.com/ One download, lots of great stuff - Now in
one installation, Windows Live Essentials gives you instant messaging,
e-mail, blogging, photos, and more.
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail/browse_frm/thread/bf13db2b1c708c14
Your choices will include MS Outlook, Windows LIVE Mail, Thunderbird,
Eudora, and several other third-party Mail Clients.
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Steve Cochran
virtual machine environment and run OE from there in order to use OE in
Win7. For an example see www.oehelp.com/capture2.jpg
steve
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James Silverton
> I am planning to buy a new Windows 7 laptop this week. I
> understand that Windows 7 doesn't include an e-mail client.
> Any suggestions on what e-mail client I should use?
I'm also beginning to plan get a new machine and, if I use Windows, it
will be Windows 7. Can anyone tell me which Windows 7 application will
handle newsgroups? I'm not asking for a news reader and at the moment I
use news.eternal-september.org.
Thanks also.
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James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
Bruce Hagen
"James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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How do you access news.eternal-september.org without a news reader? Did you
mean you don't need a news server?
WLMail handles news pretty much the same as OE. Or did I misunderstand your
question?
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
James Silverton
Thanks for the reply! I should have said news server and I am reassured.
I will admit that I will try out Windows 7 in a store before buying it
or a computer but I am just gathering information at the moment. It is
possible that I will try to dual boot with some version of Linux.
D. Kirkpatrick
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> See this ongoing discussion in Windows Mail (Vista) newsgroup:
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail/browse_frm/
> thread/bf13db2b1c708c14
>
> More:
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail/search?grou
> p=microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail&q=win7+OR+%22windows+7%22&qt_g=Search+th
> is+group
>
> Your choices will include MS Outlook, Windows LIVE Mail, Thunderbird,
> Eudora, and several other third-party Mail Clients.
There are two kinds of Eudora these days.
There is th e"classic" Eudora that is available from a legacy download
area at Eudora.Com. It ended at version 7 and is no longer being
developed.
The newer one is now a flavor of Thunderbird. It is actually
Thunderbird with an add-in called "Penelope" that makes Thunderbird
emulate some of Eudora's look and feel.
You have to be careful however as installing both will cause it to
share common files. One will overwrite the other.
Therefore the new Eudora (version 8 and above) is really T-Bird with a
vest.
If you want different stand alone clients using these two you need to
create different user identities.
bjm
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>>
>> I am planning to buy a new Windows 7 laptop this week. I understand
>> that Windows 7 doesn't include an e-mail client.
>>
>> Any suggestions on what e-mail client I should use?
>
> Presumably in a MS forum, the MS experts would recommend Windows Live
> Essentials which includes live mail.
>
> http://download.live.com/ One download, lots of great stuff - Now in
> one installation, Windows Live Essentials gives you instant messaging,
> e-mail, blogging, photos, and more.
>
As usual, ever more bloat to confuse those of us who just want simple,
text-based, email & ng.
I hope the options to dump, turn off, or preferably never even see or have
to deal with, all those unwanted "enhancements" aren't too obscure to find.
I tried to sign up for some kind of MS Live something-or-other once (just to
see what it was) but it refused me on account of which ISP I have --
something about "no Verizon email addresses allowed". And it wasn't all that
polite about it & made me jump through various hoops *before* it said No.
It was a very off-putting experience.
bj
NoMailInWindows7
doesn't come with email?! (ie email) What is the point of making a net PC
that doesn't have email?
I will be returning this to Wal-Mart tomorrow. I will also be blogging my
problem everywhere to inform/warn any possible Windows 7 prospects that
Windows doesn't come with email.
I will most definitely be contacted Wal-Mart about my frustration.
"Mike Schumann" wrote:
> .
>
Bruce Hagen
more than a year ago.
E-mail, photo programs stripped from Windows 7:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10048142-56.html
FYI: All development for Outlook Express, last used in Windows XP, ceased in
June, 2006, so posting here isn't even relevant.
Windows Live Mail is the so-called successor to Outlook Express and Windows
Mail and is free. (Runs in XP, Vista and Win 7).
Windows Live Mail (Overview & Features):
http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
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"NoMailInWindows7" <NoMailIn...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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PA Bear [MS MVP]
http://mail.google.com, http://mail.yourISP.com, etc. What you don't have
in Win7 by default is a Mail Client. MS is sure you'll either purchase
Outlook or download/install Wal-Mail.
Steve Cochran
>>>> You can contact MS directly at:
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Corporation
>>>> One Microsoft Way
>>>> Redmond, WA 98052
>>>> US
>>>>
>>>> Or phone them:
>>>>
>>>> US: 425-882-8080
>>>> (800) 426-9400
>>>>
>>>> Or not US: see the contact pages for your Country at
>>>> www.microsoft.com/worldwide
>>>>
steve
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Bob Lucas
Other software providers had complained to the European Union
about Microsoft's previous practice of bundling many "free"
utilities with the Windows operating systems. Competitors
claimed the practice discouraged purchasers from using or
purchasing alternative utilities.
That explanation is an over-simplification of the issues.
However, Competition Regulators in the European Union have
already imposed substantial penalties, so I suspect the omission
of a mail Client from Windows 7 was probably an attempt to
appease the regulators. In fact, I am surprised Microsoft has
even included a browser (Internet Explorer 8) with Windows 7.
For further information, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case
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N. Miller
> I just purchased a HP minio PC with Windows 7. Could you believe Windows 7 &
> doesn't come with email?! (ie email) What is the point of making a net PC
> that doesn't have email?
>
> I will be returning this to Wal-Mart tomorrow. I will also be blogging my
> problem everywhere to inform/warn any possible Windows 7 prospects that
> Windows doesn't come with email.
>
> I will most definitely be contacted Wal-Mart about my frustration.
<sarcasm>
Eh? What about the "class action lawsuit" against Microsoft!
</sarcasm>
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>Windows 7 &
> doesn't come with email?! (ie email) What is the point of making a net
> PC
> that doesn't have email?
>
> I will be returning this to Wal-Mart tomorrow. I will also be blogging
> my
> problem everywhere to inform/warn any possible Windows 7 prospects
> that
> Windows doesn't come with email.
>
> I will most definitely be contacted Wal-Mart about my frustration.
Frustrating as it may be, you can thank those whom screamed "unfair
practices" when IE was included in Windows.
Essentially, an operating system facilitates the running of programs of
the user's choice. When an e-mail client (or web browser, etc...) is
"included" in (or bundled with) the OS the "anti-trust" issue raises its
ugly head. HP, or Wal-Mart, could have (perhaps should have) had an
e-mail client bundled in their offering - probably just an oversight
because they got so used to having Microsoft foist their own upon the
masses.
I work in retail foods, and mostly when I hear frustration from
customers it can be traced to legislation that *they* or their duly
elected officials voted for. We've got so many mandatory packaging
labels, you can hardly see the product anymore. :o)
...and don't get me started on labels that state what *isn't* an
ingredient.
Steve Cochran
from, but there are plenty of people who are disgruntled by the fact that
there is no email client in Windows 7, and Microsoft's so-called replacement
is a piece of stinky dung in comparison.
Many of us do not live in Europe and could care less about such issues
there. And IE8 can be removed from Win7 via Add / Remove programs.
steve
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Steve Cochran
substituting a piece of garbage for a tried and true email client that
people have used for over 10 years. Making OE a separate download is not
the issue. Providing a bug-filled, kiddy version of the email client
represents a complete lack of concern for the user.
steve
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Bob Lucas
have no reason to complain if Wal-Mart do not add any pears to
your bag of fruit.
The same principle applies to computer software. With Windows 7,
Microsoft sell licenses that entitle the purchaser to use the
Operating System - not a complete suite of programs.
I accept that many users who do not live in Europe might not care
about such issues. That is your prerogative.
However, Microsoft operates worldwide and will be acutely aware
of the global implications. The corporation does not operate in
a cocoon, and is not protected against anything that happens
outside of the USA. Incidentally, allegations of anti-trust
conduct / market abuse were not confined to the European Union.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft.
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I'm reasonably sure they would have continued to supply "killer apps"
with their operating system had it not been for lawsuit-happy
competitors complaining that it is unfair to include (ostensibly for
free) that which they could make money from.
IMO, they should have continued to develop a desktop client like OE to
work with the new improved protocols.
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N. Miller
> You can make that argument if you want, but there is no excuse for
> substituting a piece of garbage for a tried and true email client that
> people have used for over 10 years. Making OE a separate download is not
> the issue. Providing a bug-filled, kiddy version of the email client
> represents a complete lack of concern for the user.
Eh? MSOE was, itself, a bug-filled, kiddy version of an email client. I
switched to another email client some time in late 2000; not long after I
set up my first post Windows 3.1 computer.
W.T.S.
You can find several free e-mail clients at:
http://www.download.com
However, you may need a newsgroups reader, like X-News, as well as not all
of them have a decent newsreader NNTP program, if they have any program at
all. Outlook Express, for all of its problems, had a good newsreader
program built in that worked well with yENC decoders, when needed.
If y'all find any other solution, please post it here.
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Steve Cochran
I started using OE back when it became first available in 1996 and it had
problems. The OE MVPs worked for years to get MS to fix some of them and we
were on track for fixing more issues in WinMail. Instead they abandoned
WinMail, and went their own way into the crapware they are now providing.
So you may have had valid objections to OE, but for 10 years we as MVPs and
users struggled with MS to fix those issues, and then they just spit in our
face.
steve
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Steve Cochran
something besides wikipedia as primary information source.
I already stated that my objection was not the removal of the client; it was
the substitution of crapware for a decent software program that had a
programming interface that I object to.
steve
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Bob Lucas
OK. I admit that is an extreme example - but the fact remain
that every product has a limited life cycle.
Microsoft decided that Outlook Express had reached the end of its
normal life cycle. And all development work ceased several years
ago. Consequently, Microsoft saw no reason to include
compatibility for Outlook Express with their latest operating
system. It is irrelevant whether you believe WLMail is a worthy
successor to Outlook Express.
If you don't like the present range of Ford cars, you can look
elsewhere. If you don't like WLMail, there are many alternative
mail clients to choose from.
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Bruce Hagen
2006. (Yes. While Vista was still in Beta). Talk about a limited life cycle.
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applications. New features that make it so easy - all of our information
right at their fingertips. <w>
"Bruce Hagen" <Nos...@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
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W.T.S.
> I think that they want to induce the masses to move to "online"
> applications. New features that make it so easy - all of our information
> right at their fingertips. <w>
be working Ok, but require more options and settings, which will take time
to figure out.
If you're interested, the URLs are:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpgravity/files/
http://www.eudora.com/betas/
If you do try out these programs, please let us all know the results.
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rklustig
"N. Miller" wrote:
> .
>
rklustig
"N. Miller" wrote:
> .
> Purchased a new laptop directly from HP. Spent two days trying to fond OLE only to find out that Windows 7 doesn't come with an email program and won't accept OLE from other sources. Downloaded Windows Live but haven't figured out what to do with it. I am really pissed. I am 67 years old and my wife is 72. Don't have enough time to be jerked around by Microsoft. If I can't find a program comparable to OLE, Aoole will be my next purchase.
Bruce Hagen
>> Purchased a new laptop directly from HP. Spent two days trying to fond
>> OLE only to find out that Windows 7 doesn't come with an email program
>> and won't accept OLE from other sources. Downloaded Windows Live but
>> haven't figured out what to do with it. I am really pissed. I am 67
>> years old and my wife is 72. Don't have enough time to be jerked
>> around by Microsoft. If I can't find a program comparable to OLE,
>> Aoole will be my next purchase.
Please ask for help in the Windows Live Mail newsgroup. Let them know who
your mail server is and they can help you set it up.
BTW. All production of Outlook Express ended in June, 2006.
Windows Live Mail [Desktop] Newsgroup.
In your newsreader:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
DAS
when it bundled applications with Windows that I am not surprised it dropped
the mail app as bundled item. The OP seems to have forgotten that
competition authorities in the US and EU have fined MS millions.
See what happened with the browser.
It seems straightforward enough to download WLMail or whatever.
DAS
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Purchased a new laptop directly from HP. Spent two days trying to fond
OLE only to find out that Windows 7 doesn't come with an email program
and won't accept OLE from other sources. Downloaded Windows Live but
haven't figured out what to do with it. I am really pissed. I am 67
years old and my wife is 72. Don't have enough time to be jerked around
by Microsoft. If I can't find a program comparable to OLE, Aoole will
be my next purchase.
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Some kinda code, eh?
Let me see if a p is an o and ....
They can't win, if they include an aoolicatipn they get antitrust
trpubles and if they dpn't they get *ypu* all oissed pff. :o)
All in all, I wpuld say it is a gppd thing tp get anpther vendpr's
e-mail client - althpugh PE is likable, there are better clients that
I'm sure will run pn Windpws7.
N. Miller
> "N. Miller" wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:53:01 -0700, NoMailInWindows7 wrote:
>>> I just purchased a HP minio PC with Windows 7. Could you believe Windows 7 &
>>> doesn't come with email?! (ie email) What is the point of making a net PC
>>> that doesn't have email?
>>>
>>> I will be returning this to Wal-Mart tomorrow. I will also be blogging my
>>> problem everywhere to inform/warn any possible Windows 7 prospects that
>>> Windows doesn't come with email.
>>>
>>> I will most definitely be contacted Wal-Mart about my frustration.
>> <sarcasm>
>> Eh? What about the "class action lawsuit" against Microsoft!
>> </sarcasm>
> Purchased a new laptop directly from HP. Spent two days trying to fond
> OLE only to find out that Windows 7 doesn't come with an email program
> and won't accept OLE from other sources. Downloaded Windows Live but
> haven't figured out what to do with it. I am really pissed. I am 67
> years old and my wife is 72. Don't have enough time to be jerked around
> by Microsoft. If I can't find a program comparable to OLE, Aoole will
> be my next purchase.
Don't really know what age has to do with anything. I am nearly 61 years
old, and am adapting just fine. I've got a 42-year-old cousin who had fits
when his wife picked up a new computer with Windows Vista; just enough
different from Windows XP to frustrate him no end.
If you don't like Windows Live Mail (not "Windows Live", which is just a
suite of services and clients), try Mozilla Thunderbird.
Steve Cochran
One thing you might consider is installing Microsoft Virtual PC and then
running XP as a Computer within a computer on your Win7 system. That would
allow for using XP under that running instance of XP. Its not that
difficult to do, if you try it.
steve
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>
>
Eric Allen
"Steve Cochran" <scoc...@oehelp.com> wrote in message
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> Compared to "OE Lite" (aka Walmail), OE is great.
>
> I started using OE back when it became first available in 1996 and it had
> problems. The OE MVPs worked for years to get MS to fix some of them and
> we were on track for fixing more issues in WinMail. Instead they
> abandoned WinMail, and went their own way into the crapware they are now
> providing.
.
Will they bring OE back if we complain enough?
PA Bear [MS MVP]
>> Compared to "OE Lite" (aka Walmail), OE is great.
>>
>> I started using OE back when it became first available in 1996 and it had
>> problems. The OE MVPs worked for years to get MS to fix some of them and
>> we were on track for fixing more issues in WinMail. Instead they
>> abandoned WinMail, and went their own way into the crapware they are now
>> providing.
> .
> Will they bring OE back if we complain enough?
Yeah, right! They didn't even bring Windows Mail back (not that it's been
anything other than an unfinished beta).
VanguardLH
Companies listen to money. So why not empty your savings and bribe
Microsoft with $5 million to revivie OE? Hey, you must all that money to
think anyone will waste that much on your personal wants. In fact, you
could probably pay some programmers to make an emulated version for you and
for cheaper.
So just WHO do you think you are complaining to here? You really thought
this was a venue for free support from Microsoft?
Eric Allen
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